1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 18 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 573       Contents:/ Re: All about Squirrel webmail - please tell me / Re: All about Squirrel webmail - please tell me  Re: Alpha serial numbers Re: Alpha serial numbers Re: Alpha serial numbers Re: Alpha serial numbers Re: Alpha serial numbers- Re: Alphaserver 200 4/233 power supply needed  Re: Death of VMS Firmware compression algorithm?  Re: FTP fails to start Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L F Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center!F Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center!F Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center!F Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center!F RE: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center!F RE: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! Re: In a box solutions Re: In a box solutions Re: In a box solutions Re: In a box solutions( Re: Integer number with no leading zeros( Re: Integer number with no leading zeros( Re: Integer number with no leading zeros/ Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure input  Re: Netiquette faux pas  Re: Netiquette faux pas 5 Re: OT: Former Compaq board member cleared of charges 5 Re: OT: Former Compaq board member cleared of charges  Re: Question about terminals Re: Question about terminals RUN process /ON=node Re: RUN process /ON=node Re: RUN process /ON=node& RE: US military gives HP big contracts Re: VAX 4000 Error Codes Re: VMS is younger than Windows  Re: VMS is younger than Windows  Re: VMS is younger than Windows & Re: VMS laptops, was: Re: VMS VS LINUX Re: VMS stuff available now   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:16:13 +0200 # From: "The MIp" <nospam@hdc.hha.dk> 8 Subject: Re: All about Squirrel webmail - please tell me, Message-ID: <eh4kdu$a25$1@news.net.uni-c.dk>    I don't think its 100% off-topic  8 Try start with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squirrelmail  K We ( a small university in Denmark) have used it many years now - on linux  H with a IMAP connection to Openvms where 8500 students store there mails.  G Its OK - but rigth now evaluating SoyMail - performance improvement by  I removing the IMAP link and moving the web part to OpenVMS (CSWS - Compaq   secure Web Server)  	 - the MIP     1 "anytimej" <anytimej@gmail.com> wrote in message  < news:1161111967.124506.96200@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hi,  > B > My school gives us squirrel webmail to use. I like it very much. > H > I have bought a domain name and some email accounts. Now I want to useH > squirrel webmail to access my emails of my new domain name. And I want6 > to give squirrel webmail of my domain to others too. > H > How do I set up account with squirrel webmail? I do not need a OutlookI > type (computer email program). I want a squirrel webmail program. Is it  > free?  > < > Should I ask for help here or in any other group or forum? >  > Please reply ASAP. > 	 > Thanks.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:24:24 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>8 Subject: Re: All about Squirrel webmail - please tell me0 Message-ID: <12jbng4ar35nk78@corp.supernews.com>   anytimej wrote:  > Hi,  > B > My school gives us squirrel webmail to use. I like it very much. > H > I have bought a domain name and some email accounts. Now I want to useH > squirrel webmail to access my emails of my new domain name. And I want6 > to give squirrel webmail of my domain to others too. > H > How do I set up account with squirrel webmail? I do not need a OutlookI > type (computer email program). I want a squirrel webmail program. Is it  > free?  > < > Should I ask for help here or in any other group or forum? >  > Please reply ASAP. > 	 > Thanks.   E I've had it going back in early 2005 under WASD using the PHP engine   from CSWS PHP 1.2 (PHP 4.3.2).   Here are some guidelines  ?    http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/other/infaq/squirrelmail.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:31:24 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) ! Subject: Re: Alpha serial numbers [ Message-ID: <rdeininger-1810060731370001@dialup-4.233.173.254.dial1.manchester1.level3.net>   F In article <eh525r$rog$1@lore.csc.com>, "Ade" <Ade@nowhere.com> wrote:   >Hi, > L >Is there any way to obtain the serial number from an Alpha programatically? >  >AS 800 5/400 - VMS 7.1-H1  G Don't know about the AlphaServer 800.  (Assuming that's what you meant; G it's poor practice to abbreviate system names.  The un-abbreviated ones 1 the marketing folks invent are confusing enough.)    >Dec 3000 model 400 - VMS 7.1   F No, the system serial number is definitely not stored in any memory onD this model.  It's on printed stickers in two places: on the back, onH behind the plastic front door on the front (if someone hasn't broken the	 door off)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:36:59 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> ! Subject: Re: Alpha serial numbers : Message-ID: <IcqdnS021Nd6jKvYnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com>  
 Ade wrote:   > Hi,  > M > Is there any way to obtain the serial number from an Alpha programatically?  >  > AS 800 5/400 - VMS 7.1-H1  > Dec 3000 model 400 - VMS 7.1 > 	 > Thanks,  >  > Ade  >  >   H Only if someone read it off the label on the back and stored it on disk  or in PROM.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:44:12 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)! Subject: Re: Alpha serial numbers $ Message-ID: <eh542c$oi2$9@online.de>  H In article <eh525r$rog$1@lore.csc.com>, "Ade" <Ade@nowhere.com> writes:    > Hi,  > M > Is there any way to obtain the serial number from an Alpha programatically?  >  > AS 800 5/400 - VMS 7.1-H1  > Dec 3000 model 400 - VMS 7.1  . pipe sh cpu/ful |sea sys$pipe " serial number"  E You will get several lines due to embedded control characters in the   output.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:35:33 -0400 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <hoff@hoffmanlabs-removethis-.org>! Subject: Re: Alpha serial numbers ' Message-ID: <eh572e$to$1@pyrite.mv.net>    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > Ade wrote:> >> Is there any way to obtain the serial number from an Alpha  >> programatically?   5    What might you be up to here?  Software licensing?    >> AS 800 5/400 - VMS 7.1-H1 >> Dec 3000 model 400 - VMS 7.1  ... J > Only if someone read it off the label on the back and stored it on disk 
 > or in PROM.   O    If it was set at the SRM prompt during the FIS process, or otherwise set at  L the factory, or set by someone on-site subsequently, it's the SERIAL_NUMBER O value that's available via f$getsyi.  Off-hand, I don't know if this is as old  L as V7.1 or V7.1-1H1 (and I'd almost assume it was not be available that far K back); that's rather ancient software.  SHOW CPU/FULL also displays serial  P numbers, and there are tools latent in V8.3 that allow retrieval of disk serial > numbers (for those disks that implement that part of the VPD).      Related: . http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_8096.html  5    And yes, the best approach is to read the sticker.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:04:14 -0400 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <hoff@hoffmanlabs-removethis-.org>! Subject: Re: Alpha serial numbers ( Message-ID: <eh58o6$1em$1@pyrite.mv.net>  
 Ade wrote:   > This is nothing sinister.   Q    Um, sinister?  (That wasn't where I was going here.)  Software licensing is a  O very regular trigger for this general class of question and (without some sort  N of general background around the particular question) it can be comparatively K difficult to tailor the answer.  If you were looking to implement software  N licensing, for instance, there are various options available, and my question A was a prelude to potentially taking the answer in that direction.   P    The sticker is the place for this, and you can get the model number as well. Q   One more modern option is to digitally photograph the sticker, and stick it to  N the front.  (You know those cheap little sticker-based cameras?  Those can be ) quite useful for this sort of situation.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:10:05 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 6 Subject: Re: Alphaserver 200 4/233 power supply needed9 Message-ID: <VY6dnXx80YgiwKvYnZ2dnUVZ_oidnZ2d@libcom.com>    Michael Moroney wrote:- > "WWWebb" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> writes:  > : >> Non-standard power connectors going to the motherboard. >> Just like Dell. > B >> Somebody may have pinned them out and posted the findings here. > K > I have two Alphastation 200's and both had the power supply die. When the I > second one died, I bought the cheapest ATX power supply CompUSA had and K > replaced the plugs with the ones from the dead power supply.  This wasn't H > easy because not only did DEC and the PC world disagree on the type ofH > plugs, they disagreed on the color codes of the wires. (well, they didF > agree on black for common).  The colors for the +/- 12V are actually
 > swapped. > / > This worked out well, the system still works.  > F > It helped that I did some qual work for DEC on Alphastation 200s andF > was used to tearing them apart and putting them back together again.  G Do you have any details on the replacement?  Did you splice the wires,  F or change the pins in the plugs, or what?  How about wire color x-ref?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:44:26 -0400 2 From: Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@TrashThis.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Death of VMS : Message-ID: <pdednZaeUqHgmKvYnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@comcast.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:   > Duncan Macdonald wrote:  > K >>The NT family worked well enough for many users and it cost far less than  >>VMS. >  > F > that is false ... we have been on vms since 1987 ... want to compare > costA > of ownership?  I guarantee you we would smash NT hands down ...  >   D Nice, but hardly relevant.  In a business environment where >90 daysD counts as long-range planning, the long-term (COO) costs are ignoredC and only the short-term (purchase price) is visible.  C'est la vie.  --   Cheers, Bob    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 10:49:19 -0700$ From: "Camiel" <iamcamiel@gmail.com>( Subject: Firmware compression algorithm?B Message-ID: <1161193759.841437.244750@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Hello,  E I am trying to create an Alpha Simulator (similar to Charon-AXP), and @ to do that, I need to get to the DS15-firmware (I'm emulating anC EV68-processor). The firmware-image I have (ds15_v7_2.exe) contains F this firmware in what appears to be a compressed form. Can anyone tell; me how to extract the actual firmware from this executable?    Thanks in advance,   Camiel.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:16:19 -0700 , From: David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> Subject: Re: FTP fails to start V Message-ID: <OF41F0EDC1.9D2C9DB9-ON0725720B.005D9672-0725720B.005ED386@mck.us.ray.com>   These are my findings:  H JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote on 10/17/2006 03:04:17 PM:   > David D Miller wrote: " > >     TCPIP$FTP startup complete > >  > > $ TCPIP SHOW SERVICE FTP9 > >     FTP    21   TCP   TCPIP$FTP    0.0.0.0   Disabled  > H > When a service fails to start, the TCPIP software marks the service asJ > disabled so that it doesn't constantly try to start it and have it fail.F > So this is normal. And once you see it "disabled", an FTP operations > will fail. > > > > There is no DKA0:[TCPIP$FTP]TCPIP$FTP_RUN.LOG to be found. > I > This is a very important issue.  It signals that the software is unable H > to create the output file. And why the TCPIP software would immediatly > disable the service. > F > Use AUTHORIZE to display the TCPIP$FTP username. Its login directory% > should be SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP]  > $ > And it should have NETWORK access.  D Yes, it's login directory is right and it has network access -- onlyE NETWORK access.  I also made sure it had (none) in the Expiration and  Pwdlifetime fields.   I > Also, check in that in that directory, you have a valid LOGIN.COM (also H > onwed by TCPIP$FTP) which contains no real commands (just a comment or two).   1 Yes, it's there with (REWD,REWD,RE,RE) protection   J > If you get desperate, then change TCPIP$FTP's password to a known entity > and then:  >   > DIR node"TCPIP$FTP password":: > J > This might give you insight of what happens when TCPIP$FTP is starting aG > process, whether it has access to its SYS$LOGIN and create a log file # > (in this case a decnet log file).   4 I did that, too.  I got the following error message:  G DIRECT-F-OPENIN, error opening APOLLO"DMILLER password"::*.*;* as input / -RMS-E-FNF, ACP file or directory lookup failed * -SYSTEM-F-LINKEXIT, network partner exited  1 Then I looked in the UAF.  Two interesting items:   D - the non-interactive login time corresponded to the time of the DIR command   - there were zero login failures   Query:  I In the UAF, it reads  "LGICMD:  LOGIN".  Is that right?  Is .COM assumed? G Now that I changed the password in the UAF, do I have to tell FTP, too? 
 (somehow?)   dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:09:20 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L, Message-ID: <4535E0F7.15CAAF0B@teksavvy.com>  H OK, I will shortly install my Radeon 7500  graphics card into my DS10L. . (I expect to receive my keyboard any day now).  G Based on what I read, the only real "installation" I need to make is to G edit the DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM and update some symbols/logicals 2 to define the screen size and a few other options.  C However, this begs the question: FredK had said that at the console H mode, the firmware should be able to interface with the graphics card in	 VGA mode.   E Does this mean that the card will physically switch to 640*480 screen A size in console mode, and once Xwindows starts, it will cause the = graphics card to swicth to 1280*1024 (or whatever I ask it) ?   F or will the graphics card be able to detect that the monitor is set toG 1280*1024 at a certain Hz and use that even in console mode (but either H scale the 640*480 expected by the console firmware, or just centre it on the screen). ?    F Also, where do the fonts come from in such a case ? Is it in the alphaB firmware, or does the graphics card provide the ability to displayG simple text (which means the firmwares simply asks the graphics card to & display a line of text for instance) ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:31:16 -0400 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L, Message-ID: <45361e95$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  I The console runs in VGA text mode (700x400 - 25 rows x 80 columns).  When G X11 starts it will put it into graphics mode at whatever resolution you 3 requested.  The default is 1028x768 @70Hz  24-bits.     : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:4535E0F7.15CAAF0B@teksavvy.com...I > OK, I will shortly install my Radeon 7500  graphics card into my DS10L. 0 > (I expect to receive my keyboard any day now). > I > Based on what I read, the only real "installation" I need to make is to I > edit the DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM and update some symbols/logicals 4 > to define the screen size and a few other options. > E > However, this begs the question: FredK had said that at the console J > mode, the firmware should be able to interface with the graphics card in > VGA mode.  > G > Does this mean that the card will physically switch to 640*480 screen C > size in console mode, and once Xwindows starts, it will cause the ? > graphics card to swicth to 1280*1024 (or whatever I ask it) ?  > H > or will the graphics card be able to detect that the monitor is set toI > 1280*1024 at a certain Hz and use that even in console mode (but either J > scale the 640*480 expected by the console firmware, or just centre it on > the screen). ? >  > H > Also, where do the fonts come from in such a case ? Is it in the alphaD > firmware, or does the graphics card provide the ability to displayI > simple text (which means the firmwares simply asks the graphics card to ( > display a line of text for instance) ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:15:05 -0400 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <hoff@hoffmanlabs-removethis-.org>& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L( Message-ID: <eh5ct4$2m2$1@pyrite.mv.net>   Paul Sture wrote:   K > Except for early Alphas, there's a very simple VT100 emulation built in,  I > which can be useful when booting minimum (Do a SET TERM/VT100 from the  G > VMS prompt - SET TERM/INQUIRE won't work). But as I said, it is slow.   O    IIRC, it is VT52 emulation within the OpenVMS console driver, and not VT100  
 emulation.  O    To select this emulation (for those graphics drivers that have it), the DCL  . command is SET TERM/VT52 or /DEVICE_TYPE=VT52.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:38:52 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10LJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-DE3904.17385218102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  ( In article <eh5ct4$2m2$1@pyrite.mv.net>,:  Stephen Hoffman <hoff@hoffmanlabs-removethis-.org> wrote:   > Paul Sture wrote:  > M > > Except for early Alphas, there's a very simple VT100 emulation built in,  K > > which can be useful when booting minimum (Do a SET TERM/VT100 from the  I > > VMS prompt - SET TERM/INQUIRE won't work). But as I said, it is slow.  > K >    IIRC, it is VT52 emulation within the OpenVMS console driver, and not   >    VT100   > emulation. > M >    To select this emulation (for those graphics drivers that have it), the  	 >    DCL  0 > command is SET TERM/VT52 or /DEVICE_TYPE=VT52.   Thanks for the correction.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:01:47 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)O Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! $ Message-ID: <eh51iq$oi2$3@online.de>  B In article <4pd8jpFigghtU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   M > How could they "wrest" OpenVMS away from HP?  It is either for sale or not. K > And up til now, not.  All the money in the world won't buy something that  > is not for sale.  F Theoretically, since HP is a public company, anyone with enough money 9 could buy enough stock to enable him to do what he wants.    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2006 12:25:48 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)O Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! + Message-ID: <4pmkqcFj9q9rU1@individual.net>   $ In article <eh51iq$oi2$3@online.de>,S 	helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: D > In article <4pd8jpFigghtU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill > Gunshannon) writes:  > N >> How could they "wrest" OpenVMS away from HP?  It is either for sale or not.L >> And up til now, not.  All the money in the world won't buy something that >> is not for sale.  > H > Theoretically, since HP is a public company, anyone with enough money ; > could buy enough stock to enable him to do what he wants.   H Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were talking reality here but I guess we areI still in the realm of SF.  Of course you could do that, so, who has a few H extra billion dollars hanging around so we can mount a hostile takeover?I Oh wait, I doubt that even if you had the money you would be able to find $ a majority of the stock up for sale.  $ Sigh....  I'll go back to sleep now.   bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:54:00 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukO Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! , Message-ID: <eh5858$it1$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  V In article <4pmkqcFj9q9rU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:% >In article <eh51iq$oi2$3@online.de>, T >	helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:E >> In article <4pd8jpFigghtU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill  >> Gunshannon) writes:   >>  O >>> How could they "wrest" OpenVMS away from HP?  It is either for sale or not. M >>> And up til now, not.  All the money in the world won't buy something that  >>> is not for sale. >>  I >> Theoretically, since HP is a public company, anyone with enough money  < >> could buy enough stock to enable him to do what he wants. > I >Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were talking reality here but I guess we are J >still in the realm of SF.  Of course you could do that, so, who has a fewI >extra billion dollars hanging around so we can mount a hostile takeover? J >Oh wait, I doubt that even if you had the money you would be able to find% >a majority of the stock up for sale.  > N Unless the majority of the stock is in the hands of just a few individuals whoJ value their ownership of the company over making money then you can alwaysM find a majority of the stock available for purchase. The only question is how D much of a premium over the current stock price you will have to pay.  7 So you just need someone with mega billions to spare :)    ( O On the otherhand if you could just find someone willing to make a seious offer  ? to HP for VMS, NSK and HP-UX then HP would probably jump at it. G They could then drop Itanium and concentrate on being a printer and x86 M computer seller. The chump who bought those OSs would then take all the blame K when Itanium was cancelled and they were left without a platform to run on.  )       
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University      % >Sigh....  I'll go back to sleep now.  >  >bill  >  >  >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.  >University of Scranton   | B >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>      ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 08:18:17 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>O Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! C Message-ID: <1161184697.545381.180390@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:    ... R > An excellent time for an OpenVMS consortium to bring service/support levels backQ > up to par and provide an OpenVMS-based Exchange replacement in a world starving  > for security and uptime. >   F CommunigatePro already exists as a MS Exchange Replacement and runs on VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:13:57 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> O Subject: RE: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401C388EA@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----* > From: Ian Miller [mailto:ijm@uk2.net]=20! > Sent: October 18, 2006 11:18 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A > Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new=20  > US support center! >=20 >=20 > David J Dachtera wrote:  >=20 > ... ; > > An excellent time for an OpenVMS consortium to bring=20  > service/support=20B > > levels back up to par and provide an OpenVMS-based Exchange=20< > > replacement in a world starving for security and uptime. > >  >=20? > CommunigatePro already exists as a MS Exchange Replacement=20  > and runs on VMS. >=20 >=20  8 Yep .. Check out: (hint - its much more than just email)  H http://www.stalker.com/content/news_article_01252005.html (OpenVMS Alpha and Integrity)  9 http://www.stalker.com/content/news_article_04192005.html   - http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/mail.html   B Biggie is end users can keep what ever mail client they have todayG (including Outlook) and replace Exchange as a back end with OpenVMS and  CommunigatePro.=20  F Imagine - a real load balanced multi-site email system with ultra highB security and scalability (both up and out including the multi-site	 aspect)..   C CommunigatePro also supports the new regulatory requirements around G logging all emails in a separate DB (after being cleaned for SPAM etc), G so even if someone deleted an email after reading it, there would still  be an audit trail.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:16:32 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> O Subject: RE: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401C3893F@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message----- > From: Main, Kerry=20! > Sent: October 18, 2006 12:14 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A > Subject: RE: How former HP support staff needs to form a new=20  > US support center! >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message-----) > > From: Ian Miller [mailto:ijm@uk2.net] # > > Sent: October 18, 2006 11:18 AM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com F > > Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US=20 > > support center!  > >=20 > >=20 > > David J Dachtera wrote:  > >=20 > > ... : > > > An excellent time for an OpenVMS consortium to bring > > service/support D > > > levels back up to par and provide an OpenVMS-based Exchange=20> > > > replacement in a world starving for security and uptime. > > >  > >=20A > > CommunigatePro already exists as a MS Exchange Replacement=20  > and runs on=20 > > VMS. > >=20 > >=20 >=20: > Yep .. Check out: (hint - its much more than just email) >=20> > http://www.stalker.com/content/news_article_01252005.html=20 > (OpenVMS Alpha and Integrity)  >=20; > http://www.stalker.com/content/news_article_04192005.html  >=20/ > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/mail.html  >=20A > Biggie is end users can keep what ever mail client they have=20 A > today (including Outlook) and replace Exchange as a back end=20 % > with OpenVMS and CommunigatePro.=20  >=20@ > Imagine - a real load balanced multi-site email system with=209 > ultra high security and scalability (both up and out=20 $ > including the multi-site aspect).. >=20A > CommunigatePro also supports the new regulatory requirements=20 < > around logging all emails in a separate DB (after being=20? > cleaned for SPAM etc), so even if someone deleted an email=20 8 > after reading it, there would still be an audit trail. >=20     JF -  A Btw, you will likely be interested in the following presentation: G (includes positioning of All-in-One vs Office Server vs CommunigatePro)   : http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/CGPpresentation805.ppt   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:08:05 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: In a box solutions , Message-ID: <eh51ul$h10$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  n In article <1161125127.203157.185890@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> writes:H >No affordable cluster in a box packaged solution for VMS customers from3 >HP; that would have been too likely to spur sales.  > K The integrity servers don't support galaxy but I thought (at least from the J mid-range rx7620 if not from the entry level servers) that they supported 8 hard-partitioning which should allow a cluster in a box.  G >However Sun now has a datacenter in a box.  Somewhat (!) bigger box (a 4 >shipping container) but the concept is pretty neat. > C >http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Sun_Data_Center.html  >   O Isn't that pretty much what some Disaster Recovery services have been providing M for years. Of course with their big trucks you are only supposed to be using  & the "portable datacentre" temporarily.    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:35:16 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch>  Subject: Re: In a box solutions J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-5F0FF1.16351618102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  F In article <eh51ul$h10$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk  wrote:  L > In article <1161125127.203157.185890@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Rich & > Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> writes:J > >No affordable cluster in a box packaged solution for VMS customers from5 > >HP; that would have been too likely to spur sales.  > > M > The integrity servers don't support galaxy but I thought (at least from the L > mid-range rx7620 if not from the entry level servers) that they supported : > hard-partitioning which should allow a cluster in a box. > I > >However Sun now has a datacenter in a box.  Somewhat (!) bigger box (a 6 > >shipping container) but the concept is pretty neat. > > E > >http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Sun_Data_Center.html  > >  > H > Isn't that pretty much what some Disaster Recovery services have been  > providing O > for years. Of course with their big trucks you are only supposed to be using  ( > the "portable datacentre" temporarily. >   A My thoughts exactly, and weren't Digital doing this a decade ago?    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 08:04:38 -0700( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> Subject: Re: In a box solutions C Message-ID: <1161183878.749566.225710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: p > In article <1161125127.203157.185890@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> writes:J > >No affordable cluster in a box packaged solution for VMS customers from5 > >HP; that would have been too likely to spur sales.  > > M > The integrity servers don't support galaxy but I thought (at least from the K > mid-range rx7620 if not from the entry level servers) that they supported : > hard-partitioning which should allow a cluster in a box. > I > >However Sun now has a datacenter in a box.  Somewhat (!) bigger box (a 6 > >shipping container) but the concept is pretty neat. > > E > >http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Sun_Data_Center.html  > >  > Q > Isn't that pretty much what some Disaster Recovery services have been providing N > for years. Of course with their big trucks you are only supposed to be using( > the "portable datacentre" temporarily. >  >  > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University   David,B      after the compaq buyout when there was some small hope of VMSF corporate support (due in no small part to an actual advertisement andF comment by Eckhard Pfeiffer (sp?)) hopeful speculation ran rather wildD here.  The cluster in a box was to be two VMS Alphas with sufficientF licensing for users and network PLUS VMScluster, shipped and sold as a? package for an amount that was withing sign-off limits for many E corporate or government departments (say $5000).  It was a great idea # which unfortunately never happened.   F      I like the Sun datacenter in a box even though its far larger andC more expensive than anything we'll ever need here.  Except that its . Sun.  And it runs un*x.  but its a great idea.   Rich   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:12:00 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: In a box solutions , Message-ID: <eh5jog$mh6$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  n In article <1161183878.749566.225710@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> writes: >   >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:q >> In article <1161125127.203157.185890@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> writes: K >> >No affordable cluster in a box packaged solution for VMS customers from 6 >> >HP; that would have been too likely to spur sales. >> >N >> The integrity servers don't support galaxy but I thought (at least from theL >> mid-range rx7620 if not from the entry level servers) that they supported; >> hard-partitioning which should allow a cluster in a box.  >>J >> >However Sun now has a datacenter in a box.  Somewhat (!) bigger box (a7 >> >shipping container) but the concept is pretty neat.  >> >F >> >http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Sun_Data_Center.html >> > >>R >> Isn't that pretty much what some Disaster Recovery services have been providingO >> for years. Of course with their big trucks you are only supposed to be using ) >> the "portable datacentre" temporarily.  >> >>
 >> David Webb  >> Security team leader  >> CCSS  >> Middlesex University  >  >David, C >     after the compaq buyout when there was some small hope of VMS G >corporate support (due in no small part to an actual advertisement and G >comment by Eckhard Pfeiffer (sp?)) hopeful speculation ran rather wild E >here.  The cluster in a box was to be two VMS Alphas with sufficient G >licensing for users and network PLUS VMScluster, shipped and sold as a @ >package for an amount that was withing sign-off limits for manyF >corporate or government departments (say $5000).  It was a great idea$ >which unfortunately never happened. > L OK I can't remember that and $5000 sounds rather unlikely given the price of' Compaq Alpha workstations at the time.      G >     I like the Sun datacenter in a box even though its far larger and D >more expensive than anything we'll ever need here.  Except that its/ >Sun.  And it runs un*x.  but its a great idea.  > J As I said the only thing really new about it, is touting it as a permanent< solution rather than a temporary Disaster Recovery solution.   ( N also you obviously need power and networking facilities in place wherever you O park your portable datacentre. For a temporary disaster recovery solution this  L can usually be found somewhere and you don't care too much if you don't haveN full resilience or how much of a bodge job it was. For a permanent datacentre C you would probably want resilient supplies and network connections.  )       
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University         >Rich  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:18:29 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com1 Subject: Re: Integer number with no leading zeros Q Message-ID: <OFB007DDB2.4061A3A3-ON8525720B.0048B878-8525720B.00491A72@metso.com>   E sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote on 10/18/2006 01:39:27 AM:     > From: apogeusistemas@gmail.com > G > > Can you tell me how extract leading zeros from a specified number ?  > > 
 > > $ @verify   > > Please enter number:  003456 > > integer number is 3456 > > $  > > ' > > (I'm confuse with f$fao lexical...)  >  > alp $ type VERIFY.COM : > $ read /prompt = "Please enter number: " sys$command ans > $ x = f$integer( ans) ? > $ write sys$output f$fao( ">!8ZW<   >!8UW<   >!UW<", x, x, x)  >  > alp $ @ verify.com > Please enter number: 003456 " > >00003456<   >    3456<   >3456<  3 .. and by extention (building on Steve's response):    alp $ type verify.com 8 $ read /prompt = "Please enter number: " sys$command ans $ x = f$integer( ans) = $ write sys$output f$fao( ">!8ZW<   >!8UW<   >!UW<", x, x, x) 2 $! store response in x as string w/o leading zeros $!  using f$fa0 lexical   $ x= f$fao("!UW",f$integer(ans)) $ write sys$output "<",x,">" alp $ @verify.com  Please enter number: 003456   >00003456<   >    3456<   >3456< <3456> alp $    > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 5 >    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 6 >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818 >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:46:10 -0400 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <hoff@hoffmanlabs-removethis-.org>1 Subject: Re: Integer number with no leading zeros ( Message-ID: <eh5b6r$25c$1@pyrite.mv.net>   apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote: E > Can you tell me how extract leading zeros from a specified number ?  >  > $ @verify  > Please enter number:  003456 > integer number is 3456 > $   P    Bluntly, DCL isn't altogether good at this user-interface sort of thing.  (I N keep coming back to that here, and to the relative difficulty of making a DCL K procedure user-resistant.  Note I wrote resistant there, as I'd not assume  I user-proof.  Buffer overruns and other such errors can easily creep in.)  M There's no DCL equivalent of scanf or regexp or any form of structured input  O within DCL, and the input processing and the output menu processing support is   particularly primitive.   J   Tcl/Tk, Perl, Python, Java, C, Bliss, COBOL and other such can be other P implementation choices here (and various of that list are available for OpenVMS N at no charge), as can be a CGI application running behind a web server.  (DCL F can be coded quite quickly of course, but it has some serious limits.)  % > (I'm confuse with f$fao lexical...)   P    That confusion is understandable.  The f$fao lexical function targets output N formatting -- and it parallels the sys$fao system service call, if that helps B any.  Many of the lexical functions parallel system service calls.  P    Here's a stand-alone brute-force version approximating the DCL code that you M are apparently looking for here (and with a couple of f$fao calls tossed in):     + > $ write sys$output "Enter CTRL/Z to exit"  > $AskAgain:3 > $ read/prompt="Please enter six-digit number: " -  >    /error=error/end=eof -  >    sys$command garbage/ > $ if f$length(garbage) .gt. 6 then goto error & > $ garbage_length = f$length(garbage)	 > $ i = 0  > $loop: > $ x = f$extract(i,1,garbage) > $ y = f$integer(x). > $ if f$fao("!1ZL",y) .nes. x then goto error
 > $ i = i + 1 + > $ if i .lt. garbage_length then goto loop  > $done:* > $ six = f$fao("!6ZL",f$integer(garbage))( > $ write sys$output "Input was: " + six > $ goto AskAgain 	 > $error: 3 > $ write sys$output "Specified input is not valid"  > $ goto AskAgain  > $eof:  > $ write sys$output "EOF" > $ exit   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 09:09:07 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org1 Subject: Re: Integer number with no leading zeros 3 Message-ID: <xNp2ZEv+TF8z@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <4535D5C5.A85D0190@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:9 > One easy but not foolproof way to remove leading zeros:  > : > $READ/PROMPT="Please enter number:" SYS$COMMAND NUMBERIN > $NUMBEROUT = 'NUMBERIN4 > $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Integer number is ''numberout'" > H > What it does is use the DCL interpreter to convert the string that was& > inputted into a fully binary number. > H > aka: NUMBEROUT = 003456  gives the symbol NUMBEROUT the numberic valueB > of 3456 which is what is then displayed in the write sys$output. > H > However, if the person enters jibberish, this may generate a DCL error& > because DCL may end up trying to do:  A And if the person enters the name of a DCL symbol that happens to ( exist then you might get something like:   Please enter number: DELETE   Integer number is DELETE/CONFIRM  9 Or if the person enters a lexical function you might see:   4 Please enter number: F$SEARCH("SYS$LOGIN:LOGIN.COM")A Integer number is EISNER$DRA3:[DECUSERVE_USER.BRIGGS]LOGIN.COM;12   ( > aka: NUMBEROUT = F$INTEGER( numberin ) > D > If there is jibberish in "numberin", then NUMBEROUT is equal to 0.  2 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$INTEGER ("This is gibberish") 1 2 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$INTEGER ("No gibberish here") 0   ? Pay close attention to the first letter in your gibberish.  Yes 5 and No, True and False have expected interpretations.   ' Without testing very hard, I'd suggest:    $ REPROMPT: 9 $	READ/PROMPT="Please enter number:" SYS$COMMAND NUMBERIN % $	IF F$TYPE(NUMBERIN) .NES. "INTEGER"  $	THEN+ $		WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "That's not an integer"  $		GOTO REPROMPT $	ELSE" $		NUMBEROUT = F$INTEGER(NUMBERIN) $	ENDIF 2 $	WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Integer number is ", NUMBEROUT    B Note that this will still allow the user to enter integers in some' "interesting" syntaxes.  Such as %X1234   @ And if the integer is larger than 2^31 (about two U.S. billions)< then this approach will suffer from signed integer overflow.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:05:44 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)8 Subject: Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure input$ Message-ID: <eh51q7$oi2$4@online.de>  H In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0610161049210.5212@localhost.localdomain>, Rob$ Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:   5 > On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote:  > I > > Thanks, I'll do. But, is there any way to put an underscore in prompt  > > using DCL ?  > > Like this: > > $ > > Please, enter tape number:______ >  > Something like this: >  >      $ bs[0,8]=89 >      $ pstr = "Enter number:  ______"+bs+bs+bs+bs+bs+bs , >      $ read/prompt="''pstr'" sys$input num   SYS$COMMAND    >      Enter number:  ______   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 08:04:17 -0700' From: "bclaremont" <msi1@earthlink.net>   Subject: Re: Netiquette faux pasC Message-ID: <1161183857.768783.128100@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hi Mike,  E Welcome.  I strongly second Sean's recommendations.  Block out a week > in May for the next OpenVMS Boot Camp.  It's probably the best@ investment you can make in terms of VMS training and networking.   Regards,   Bruce Claremont  www.MigrationSpecialties.com OpenVMS Stealth Marketing Squad    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:11:48 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Re: Netiquette faux pas0 Message-ID: <00A5D62E.AB1DE984@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <1161183857.768783.128100@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "bclaremont" <msi1@earthlink.net> writes:  >  > 	 >Hi Mike,  > F >Welcome.  I strongly second Sean's recommendations.  Block out a week? >in May for the next OpenVMS Boot Camp.  It's probably the best A >investment you can make in terms of VMS training and networking.    Ditto.     --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:20:35 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com> Subject: Re: OT: Former Compaq board member cleared of chargesQ Message-ID: <OF9AB634D3.62811BE9-ON8525720B.00493692-8525720B.00494B72@metso.com>   H JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote on 10/18/2006 01:17:28 AM:  H > Ken Lay, former Compaq board member, had his "guilty verdict" formerlyA > dropped because his forced stay at a cemetary prevents him from 0 > exercising his right to appeal his conviction. > J > As a result, the government cannot seize any of his assets to distributeG > to shareholders/creditors of another company he destroyed (Enron) and # > his Wife gets to keep her riches.   ) America is a great country, n'est-ce pas!    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:41:15 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> > Subject: Re: OT: Former Compaq board member cleared of chargesD Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0610181040500.4747@localhost.localdomain>  $ On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, JF Mezei wrote:  H > Ken Lay, former Compaq board member, had his "guilty verdict" formerlyA > dropped because his forced stay at a cemetary prevents him from 0 > exercising his right to appeal his conviction. > J > As a result, the government cannot seize any of his assets to distributeG > to shareholders/creditors of another company he destroyed (Enron) and # > his Wife gets to keep her riches.    Pretty shrewd.     --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:15:33 +0200  From: GoodMan <a.a@a.com> % Subject: Re: Question about terminals * Message-ID: <eh4ur3$2b2$1@news.tiscali.fr>   Hello!  & In our company we use thin client too!F We have replaced 40 of our VT by neoware product with lbt (linux base   terminal) software by mangroove . http://www.mangrove-systems.com/page/index.phpH Our thin client have a been configured with a firefox web browser and a E power term emulation. (for our intranet  VMS/WASD ;) and yet yahmail)  We can manage them very EASILYC It is possible too connect them with RDP on our micro$oft server... 8 Bref!!! it's a very good siolution tu update our old vt.  And the prize is very correct...   E. BONHOMME  C.S.G.V. EPERNAY  FRANCE     > G > We have a few hundred installed at clients as cash registers and data I > entry.  We have installed 25+ new in the past 12 months.  We use either G > VT420's with NEW tubes and Lantronix UDS10 1 port terminal servers or F > thin clients with Powerterm emulator.  In the past few years we haveF > replaced 50+ VT's with thin clients and 12" to 19"  LCD's.  Our mostI > requested 'CASH REGISTER' is a 15" LCD and IGEL thin client.  LCD's are C > commodities and the good thin clients run $175US - $250US with no  > browser, just powerterm.H > They are linux based thin clients with Power term, so they are still aG > little harder to support than a VT.  We have to restrict shell access B > and config access to keep people working instead of browsing the > internet. E > But the thin clients are a TON easier to support than a windows box I > with emulator, and they are very easy to convince the client to upgrade 2 > from a VT device, just because of the color LCD. > F > If the price could be kept as low as the thin clients we could use aH > few hundred and a small but steady supply after that.  Don't forget toF > get the bi-directional serial port correct....that kills many of the > thin clients we test.  >    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 08:18:46 -0700' From: "bclaremont" <msi1@earthlink.net> % Subject: Re: Question about terminals B Message-ID: <1161184726.449876.289560@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>  C I still see a lot of VT terminal usage in shop floor situations.  A G recent client was looking to replace 40 VT terminals, so I pointed them ? at Boundless.  I think a cost competitive LCD terminal would be  attractive.   * P.S. - I'll be happy to test one for you;)   Bruce Claremont  www.MigrationSpecialties.com OpenVMS Stealth Marketing Squad    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:34:39 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: RUN process /ON=node , Message-ID: <4535D8D9.A46AC2E9@teksavvy.com>  A HELP RUN PROCESS /ON=node indicates that one can actually start a $ process running on a different node.  " So, I decided to try this at home.  ) From my VAX at 7.3, (node VELO) I issued:   8 $RUN/proc=MOSAIC/ON=BIKE APPL_ALPHA:[MOSAIC40]MOSAIC.EXE  A I get a created process ID that has the BIKE digits at the start.   G But nothing seems to happen.  BIKE is an ALPHA, but has a common SYSUAF  with VELO.      D How does the process actually get created on the target node ? Is itG created in the same way SYSMAN creates them when you specify a node and G username except here it assumes the same username as the guy typing the 
 RUN command ?   ? More importantlty, assuming the above worked, on what node does C APPL_ALPHA actually get resolved ? The help text mentions something E about the RUN command not checking for the existance of the file name G because its existance may different on the target node (disk mounted or ( not mounted on both nodes for instance).  H In my case, I have a system logical APPL which points to a VAX root whenA translated on VAXes and points to an ALPHA root when on an ALPHA.   H So, if I issued RUN/ON=node  APPL:[MOSAIC40]MOSAIC.EXE   would it supplyG the fileID of the VAX executable because the "APPL" would be translated G by the issuing node, or would the receiving node create the new process J and then translate APPL itself (which would then point to the ALPHA root).   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 05:51:48 -0700/ From: "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com> ! Subject: Re: RUN process /ON=node B Message-ID: <1161175908.446870.51040@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   JF,   D you can check the exit status of the process on the remote node with ACCOUNTING.    Volker.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:14:56 GMT + From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org> ! Subject: Re: RUN process /ON=node < Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610180909280.11215@jaipur.local>  G The biggest problem I can see here is that there won't be an X-Windows  D display defined on the process that gets created on the other node. H Somehow a Xwindows display device must get created and the DECW$DISPLAY I logical must be set in that process.  Merely running an executable isn't   going to do that.   K If you want to start an Xwindows program on another node and display it on  2 your node, I would do it with a command procedure.   $! STARTMOZ.COM ) $ set display/create/node=xxxx/trans=yyyy % $ run APPL_ALPHA:[MOSAIC40]MOSAIC.EXE    Then:   > run/proc=mosaic/on=bike/input=startmoz.com sys$system:loginout  I or something like that.  I don't know if the /input qualifier works when  $ starting a process on a remote node.  $ On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, JF Mezei wrote:C > HELP RUN PROCESS /ON=node indicates that one can actually start a & > process running on a different node. > $ > So, I decided to try this at home. > + > From my VAX at 7.3, (node VELO) I issued:  > : > $RUN/proc=MOSAIC/ON=BIKE APPL_ALPHA:[MOSAIC40]MOSAIC.EXE > C > I get a created process ID that has the BIKE digits at the start.  > I > But nothing seems to happen.  BIKE is an ALPHA, but has a common SYSUAF  > with VELO.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:22:42 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> / Subject: RE: US military gives HP big contracts T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401C3889C@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20   > Sent: October 17, 2006 5:38 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com - > Subject: US military gives HP big contracts  >=20B > The U.S. Defense Information Systems Agency, a combat support=20< > agency of the Department of Defense that handles IT and=209 > communications functions, has awarded two eight-year=20 : > utility-computing contracts to Hewlett-Packard. These=20A > contracts, which have a ceiling of $440 million, give HP the=20 ? > task of building computer infrastructures for 17 of DISA's=20  > locations around the world.  >=20? > One of the contracts, capped at $250 million, involves the=20 < > construction of HP-UX environments; the other is a $190=208 > million contract for Microsoft's Windows, Red Hat's=20@ > Enterprise Linux and Novell's SUSE Linux operating systems.=207 > HP's own Integrity and ProLiant servers will be used. : > Despite this partnership with the U.S. government, HP=20; > nevertheless recently underwent congressional hearings=20 ) > regarding its information leak scandal.  >=20 > -----------------------  >=20 >=20? > Does anyone know if any of those systems will be replacing=20  > VMS systems ? A > Is HP tellling such key customers that VMS is on its way out=20 % > ? (like Palmer did back in 1990s) ?  >=20  F It was basically a Windows-UNIX RFP .. Had nothing to do with OpenVMS. HP did well on it.=20   ! HP-UX stuff is Integrity servers.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 08:06:37 -0700# From: "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> ! Subject: Re: VAX 4000 Error Codes B Message-ID: <1161183997.615553.226790@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>  D Thanks for the reply.  I had performed ana/disk/repair on the systemF disk but have not used analyze/image.  The system boots fine otherwiseA (except for Pathworks).  I have narrowed it down to the following + command that causes the error (repeatable):    $ admin/pcsa config D %SYSTEM-F-MCHECK, detected hardware error, PC=0002FD64, PSL=03C00000  F I tried replacing the configuration file (PCFS$STARTUP_PARAMS.DAT) andC starting over but still no-go.  What files would be accessed by the  admin/pcsa command?    Bobby    JF Mezei wrote:  > Bobby wrote: > > I > > Hi all.  I have just learned that an old VAX 4000/60 here at work (it K > > isn't mine) stopped operating correctly following a planned outage.  It D > > boots but the old PCFS (Pathworks) server fails to load (with an > > error).  > H > Consider the possibility that the Pathworks executabel fuiles might be4 > corrupted and contain some really bad instruction. > G > Can you boot succesfully all the way and get stabel amchine if you do  > not start that software ?  > 9 > Have you tried to ANA/IMAGE the Pathworks executables ?  > = > ANA/DISK/REPAIR of the system disk woudl also be good idea.    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2006 12:37:48 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)( Subject: Re: VMS is younger than Windows+ Message-ID: <4pmlgrFjl6siU1@individual.net>   , In article <eh4vv8$g9v$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>,! 	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: X > In article <4pkjmqFj2djeU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:2 >>In article <12ja49p9ueeeg2b@corp.supernews.com>,/ >>	"Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:  >>> : >>> "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message ) >>> news:4pke74Fjc48sU1@individual.net... 4 >>>> In article <12j9rm2vt04b8c@corp.supernews.com>,1 >>>> "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:  >>>>> M >>>>> Is there any hope that I can install Vista on my PC, and later upgrade  	 >>>>> the J >>>>> PC hardware (change motherboard, CPU, etc) and boot the new hardware >>>>> directly? G >>>>> With present and past versions of Weendoze, one had to reinstall   >>>>> everything, D >>>>> from Weendoze itself to all applications, reconfigure them.... >>>> >>>> Bullcrap. >>>>M >>>>> I want to change my peecee but don't have time to reinstall/reconfigure  >>>>> eveything.O >>>>> I tried a software that supposedly helps in this process (Acronis) but it & >>>>> miserably failed at boot time... >>>>H >>>> Build a master image of Windows for the labs and then install it onH >>>> all the machines in the lab.  At no time have I had a lab where allG >>>> the machines were the same.  Usually, I have 3-4 totally different F >>>> hardware configurations on lab machines.  And it still works with@ >>>> just one image and, at most, a little massaging of drivers. >>>> >>> B >>> M$ says in KB article http://support.microsoft.com/kb/Q249694:J >>> Microsoft *does not* support restoring a system state backup from one J >>> computer to a second computer of a different make, model, or hardware  >>> configuration. >>> D >>> And past experience shows going to a different HW does not work.Q >>> If you take a Ghost copy of a PC and load that onto a different hardware, it   >>> won't boot. O >>> There are exceptions but if you go from a Pentium III single to Pentium IV  ) >>> with 2 CPUs, it certainly won't work.  >>J >>Well, I am certainly glad you didn't tell me this before I started doing4 >>it because then it propbably wouldn't have worked. >>P > I think the answer is somewhere in between. From conversations with my desktopQ > colleagues in the past they are able to role out images to large numbers of PCs K > but the PC hardware needs to be fairly similar. I seem to recall that the M > situation became worse moving from NT to XP and they had to create lots of  Q > different XP images to rollout (ie I think it went from fairly similar hardware   > to almost identical hardware).  & Nope, no such restriction.  See below.   > N > (the PCs used in the University are pretty much standardised ie coming from Q > only a couple of manufacturers but unfortunately even a supposed standard build 6 > from a manufacturer will change slightly over time).  D Maybe in a University with a real budget, but I don't work at MIT orF Stanford.  The lab accross the hall from my office has 9 Lenovo's, andI 15 "Terminators".  The Terminators are based on various ASUS motherboards J and there are 9 of one model, 5 of another and then one bastard child thatH was bought to replace a stolen system. That makes 24 machines, 4 totallyD different collections of devices.  In the worst case, if a box has aF strange network card I have to put the driver CD in on first boot longF enough for the system to load the network driver after that it happilyI goes out to MS for any other drivers it may be missing.  But, the drivers K for most of the current hardware are already contained int he XP cab files.   J MS has actually gotten better over time.  When we were running NT I neededG individual images for every system.  When we went to Win2K I needed one J image for each unique system.  With XP, I load all the boxes with the sameH image and after first boot they are just fine.  Of course, I can not sayG the same for Win2K3 Server. Attempts to move a system image from a SCSI I Raid array to an SATA Raid array have been unsuccessful and it is looking 8 like I will need to build the systems over from scratch.   bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2006 13:48:46 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)( Subject: Re: VMS is younger than Windows+ Message-ID: <4pmpltFj7vnvU1@individual.net>   , In article <eh5au4$jph$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>,! 	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: X > In article <4pmlgrFjl6siU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:. >>In article <eh4vv8$g9v$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>,# >>	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: Z >>> In article <4pkjmqFj2djeU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:4 >>>>In article <12ja49p9ueeeg2b@corp.supernews.com>,1 >>>>	"Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:  >>>>> < >>>>> "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message + >>>>> news:4pke74Fjc48sU1@individual.net... 6 >>>>>> In article <12j9rm2vt04b8c@corp.supernews.com>,3 >>>>>> "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes:  >>>>>>> O >>>>>>> Is there any hope that I can install Vista on my PC, and later upgrade   >>>>>>> the L >>>>>>> PC hardware (change motherboard, CPU, etc) and boot the new hardware >>>>>>> directly? I >>>>>>> With present and past versions of Weendoze, one had to reinstall   >>>>>>> everything, F >>>>>>> from Weendoze itself to all applications, reconfigure them.... >>>>>> >>>>>> Bullcrap. >>>>>>O >>>>>>> I want to change my peecee but don't have time to reinstall/reconfigure  >>>>>>> eveything.Q >>>>>>> I tried a software that supposedly helps in this process (Acronis) but it ( >>>>>>> miserably failed at boot time... >>>>>>J >>>>>> Build a master image of Windows for the labs and then install it onJ >>>>>> all the machines in the lab.  At no time have I had a lab where allI >>>>>> the machines were the same.  Usually, I have 3-4 totally different H >>>>>> hardware configurations on lab machines.  And it still works withB >>>>>> just one image and, at most, a little massaging of drivers. >>>>>> >>>>> D >>>>> M$ says in KB article http://support.microsoft.com/kb/Q249694:L >>>>> Microsoft *does not* support restoring a system state backup from one L >>>>> computer to a second computer of a different make, model, or hardware  >>>>> configuration. >>>>> F >>>>> And past experience shows going to a different HW does not work.S >>>>> If you take a Ghost copy of a PC and load that onto a different hardware, it   >>>>> won't boot. Q >>>>> There are exceptions but if you go from a Pentium III single to Pentium IV  + >>>>> with 2 CPUs, it certainly won't work.  >>>>L >>>>Well, I am certainly glad you didn't tell me this before I started doing6 >>>>it because then it propbably wouldn't have worked. >>>>R >>> I think the answer is somewhere in between. From conversations with my desktopS >>> colleagues in the past they are able to role out images to large numbers of PCs M >>> but the PC hardware needs to be fairly similar. I seem to recall that the O >>> situation became worse moving from NT to XP and they had to create lots of  S >>> different XP images to rollout (ie I think it went from fairly similar hardware " >>> to almost identical hardware). >>( >>Nope, no such restriction.  See below. >> >>> P >>> (the PCs used in the University are pretty much standardised ie coming from S >>> only a couple of manufacturers but unfortunately even a supposed standard build 8 >>> from a manufacturer will change slightly over time). >>F >>Maybe in a University with a real budget, but I don't work at MIT or
 >>Stanford.    > I > We are hardly an MIT or Stanford. We just implement a policy forbidding I > individual schools from going out and purchasing their own PC hardware. 6 > It saves the University money to purchase centrally. >   G Even if we could piggy-back on the University's purchases my department H doesn't have the budget for it.  We do rolling hardware upgrades becauseH we never have enough budget to replace an entire lab in one shot.  Would be nice, but not reality.   H   "I have been doing so much with so little for so long I am now certain  I can do anything with nothing."   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:33:40 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ( Subject: Re: VMS is younger than WindowsJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-ADBD28.16334018102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  F In article <eh4vv8$g9v$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk  wrote:  I > I think the answer is somewhere in between. From conversations with my  J > desktop colleagues in the past they are able to role out images to largeJ > numbers of PCs but the PC hardware needs to be fairly similar. I seem toJ > recall that the situation became worse moving from NT to XP and they hadK > to create lots of different XP images to rollout (ie I think it went from 9 > fairly similar  hardware to almost identical hardware).  > N > (the PCs used in the University are pretty much standardised ie coming from L > only a couple of manufacturers but unfortunately even a supposed standard < > build from a manufacturer will change slightly over time). >   I For the mass roll-out (thousands) of Compaq PCs I saw back in 2001, they  I were delivered with some form of basic image and already had a system Id  H such as PC123456 set up. There were different hardware configurations - G some had CD burners, scanner interfaces, amounts of RAM and so on, but  $ all were from the same manufacturer.  C They were also assigned to specific users. On the first boot after  A installation, they accessed a central database to determine what  - software they needed to download, and did so.   I Software updates were delivered by a similar process - that was a mix of  D updates overnight and when you logged in first thing in the morning.  F One very nice aspect of this was when you logged onto another PC, say I when on a training course. The login process would download applications  D you were authorized to run (the X11 emulator in my case) if that PC  didn't already have them.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:32:51 -0400 2 From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <Paul.Jacobi@nospam.hp.com>/ Subject: Re: VMS laptops, was: Re: VMS VS LINUX , Message-ID: <45354c13$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:oxQzVP27Fvik@eisner.encompasserve.org... F >   Interestingly Tadpole only supported VMS on the Alpha, not digital >   UNIX and certainly not WNT.   
 Incorrect!  K Tru64 is/was supported on the Tadpole.  I remember attending meetings with  H Tadpole and the Tru64 engineering.  I still have a Tadpole disk labeled  "Unix FIS image".   M Windows also ran on the Tadpole, but the project was cancelled.  I coded the  I Hitachi H8 power management driver for VMS using sources from Windows NT  F driver.  I then passed the WNT driver and the VMS driver to the Tru64 / Engineer who coded Tru64 version of the driver.   J VMS started earlier, so we were released first.  Tru64 support followed a  few months later.      Paul A. Jacobi HP OpenVMS Systems Group Nashua, NH     ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 08:21:53 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>$ Subject: Re: VMS stuff available nowC Message-ID: <1161184913.145230.264860@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   ' I can't see the VMS stuff at that site.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.573 ************************