1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 19 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 574       Contents: Re: Alpha serial numbers Re: Alpha serial numbers- Re: Alphaserver 200 4/233 power supply needed - Re: Alphaserver 200 4/233 power supply needed  DECconnect adapters  Re: DECconnect adapters  Re: DECconnect adapters  Re: DECconnect adapters  Re: DS10L to a good home...  Re: DS10L to a good home... # Re: Firmware compression algorithm? # Re: Firmware compression algorithm?  Re: FTP fails to start Re: FTP fails to start Re: FTP fails to start Re: FTP fails to start Re: FTP fails to start Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L F RE: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center!F Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center!F Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center!F RE: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center!F Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center!F Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center!F Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center!F Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! Re: In a box solutions@ MultiNet 5.1 public key authentication fails on PuTTY, SecureCRT Re: Netiquette faux pas  Re: Netiquette faux pas  Re: OpenVMS over VMWare  OpenVMS over VMWare 5 Re: OT: Former Compaq board member cleared of charges 5 Re: OT: Former Compaq board member cleared of charges  OT: R/C Plane with Video Servo Re: Outsourcing of VMS RE: Outsourcing of VMS Re: Question about terminals Re: Question about terminals Re: RUN process /ON=node spawn/detach Re: spawn/detach Re: USB hampster7 Re: VMS documentation in PDF format (lack of bookmarks)  Re: VMS is younger than Windows 1 Re: Weird BIND Server behaviour (reverse lookups) 1 Re: Weird BIND Server behaviour (reverse lookups)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:56:40 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>! Subject: Re: Alpha serial numbers * Message-ID: <45365cc6@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Alan Frisbie wrote:  > Stephen Hoffman wrote: > F >> One more modern option is to digitally photograph the sticker, and F >> stick it to the front.  (You know those cheap little sticker-based C >> cameras?  Those can be quite useful for this sort of situation.)  > 5 > Sticker-based camera?   I'm not sure what you mean.   O    The particular unit I was thinking of (and it may well be off the market by  N now -- "film, how quaint") is the Polaroid i-Zone series.  Looking at it, the Q pictures on the camera I've located might not be big enough -- though a far more  2 traditional (film) Polaroid would be large enough.  O    What I am suggesting here is most definitely not the intended target market  N for the i-Zone camera, nor do I have any affiliation with the organization(s) 	 involved.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:48:35 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Re: Alpha serial numbers , Message-ID: <4536850D.917829F4@teksavvy.com>  L >Is there any way to obtain the serial number from an Alpha programatically?   $ show cpu/full   ' System: BIKE, AlphaServer DS10L 466 MHz   /   SMP execlet   = 3 : Disabled : Uniprocessing.    Config tree   = None   Primary CPU   = 0    HWRPB CPUs    = 1    Page Size     = 8192   Revision Code =    Serial Number = AY0430449x   Default CPU Capabilities:          System: QUORUM RUN   Default Process Capabilities:          System: QUORUM RUN  I And amazingly, this matches the serial number in the back of the machine.   E (I changed the last digit of my serial number to a "x" to prevent CPU  identity theft :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:53:28 -0700   From: Z <SpamDumpst3r@yahoo.com>6 Subject: Re: Alphaserver 200 4/233 power supply needed) Message-ID: <HKuZg.27$nL3.8@newsfe04.lga>    Dave Froble wrote:H > Did a quick search.  Only price I found was $299.  Better to put such " > amounts into a DS10L from David.  E > If you find a source, I'd appreciate knowing.  I've got at least 2    , Issue resolved. I went with the $299 source.  = Was hoping to save some $, but no such luck; maybe next time.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:41:10 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) 6 Subject: Re: Alphaserver 200 4/233 power supply needed( Message-ID: <eh6e2m$3i4$1@pcls4.std.com>  ) Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   L >> I have two Alphastation 200's and both had the power supply die. When theJ >> second one died, I bought the cheapest ATX power supply CompUSA had and? >> replaced the plugs with the ones from the dead power supply.  ...   H >Do you have any details on the replacement?  Did you splice the wires, G >or change the pins in the plugs, or what?  How about wire color x-ref?   F I'll enter a full writeup shortly.  (I knew I should have photographed, each step and put up a 'how to' web page...)  J I cut the motherboard plugs off both power supplies, and connected the oldH plugs to the new P/S. For each bundle I slid a lage piece of heat shrinkH tubing.  For each wire I slid a small piece of heat shrink, stripped theG ends, soldered the spliced ends together, slipped the small heat shrink H over the joint and shrank it.  When done with a bundle, I slid the large7 heat shrink over the bunch of small ones and shrank it.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:22:25 GMT . From: Jack Patteeuw <jack.patteeuw@nospam.net> Subject: DECconnect adapters> Message-ID: <BjBZg.16234$e66.12347@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>  E I'm looking for a "reasonably priced" supplier of H8575-E DECconnect  A adapters.  The HP online store says they are no longer available.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:33:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   Subject: Re: DECconnect adapters, Message-ID: <4536F1EC.B52C5684@teksavvy.com>   Jack Patteeuw wrote: > F > I'm looking for a "reasonably priced" supplier of H8575-E DECconnect > adapters.   . What is a -E ? From decconnect to what type ?   E I have some -A connectors (decconnect on one side, and female DB25 on  the other).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:41:58 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>  Subject: Re: DECconnect adapters9 Message-ID: <4536BBC6.2138.CD4EB7@squayle.insight.rr.com>   , On 19 Oct 2006 at 2:22, Jack Patteeuw wrote:G > I'm looking for a "reasonably priced" supplier of H8575-E DECconnect  C > adapters.  The HP online store says they are no longer available.    Good news, bad news.  " The good news: the pinout is here:  8   http://www.lammertbies.nl/comm/cable/dec-mmj.html#h75e  9 The bad news: you can't buy MMJ sockets anywhere anymore.     C However, the page says that it's almost the same as H8575-A, which  . has various vendors as low as $15.  Good luck!  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA < stan-at-stanq-dot-com   http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 20:48:12 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>   Subject: Re: DECconnect adaptersC Message-ID: <1161229692.684703.287960@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Jack Patteeuw wrote:F > I'm looking for a "reasonably priced" supplier of H8575-E DECconnectC > adapters.  The HP online store says they are no longer available.     G Various places have them.  A Google search turns up a number of hits on G sites other than HP.  Digital Networks ( www.dnpg.com ) may.  Stonewall @ Cable ( www.stonewallcable.com ) does.  P/N SC-9362-E  CurrentlyB $12.95ea  I've ordered a few things from them before and have been happy with the items.   E They may be available on Ebay also.  A lot depends on your definition F of "reasonably priced" and on your "desperation level" - both of which are defined by you.      John H. Reinhardt    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:59:23 GMT - From: "Randy Doering" <rdoering2@verizon.net> $ Subject: Re: DS10L to a good home...) Message-ID: <flyZg.1121$Km6.944@trnddc03>   ? "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in message  4 news:NpadnfJyKZXN2qjYnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com... > Hal Kuff wrote:  > 9 >> How are you Richard... hope you are doing very well... B >> "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in message 7 >> news:WKWdnbZXG4cNTKnYnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com...  >> >>>Galen wrote:  >>>  >>>  >>>>Hal, >>>>I >>>>If you still have these systems available I'd love to get my hands on K >>>>one. I am in Northern Virginia (work in Chantilly) but would be glad to > >>>>drive as far as Baltimore if that should be where you are. >>> C >>>He's in Hunt Valley, MD. It's about 30 miles north of Baltimore.  >> >> >> > I'm fine thanks. > F > Weren't you going to send me a check for 240 miles and $14 in tolls? > M > I emailed the mileage and tolls as you requested but I got neither a reply   > nor a check!  D Hopefully, you've received your money for work/travel for Tessco. I G experienced a similar situation, when once the insurance money ran out  M (after their flood) additional consultant work went unpaid - wasn't much but   still resides in my memory.    Randy    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:07:31 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> $ Subject: Re: DS10L to a good home...: Message-ID: <xuudnUugYv5NXKvYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com>   Randy Doering wrote:  A > "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in message  6 > news:NpadnfJyKZXN2qjYnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com... >  >>Hal Kuff wrote:  >> >>9 >>>How are you Richard... hope you are doing very well... B >>>"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in message 7 >>>news:WKWdnbZXG4cNTKnYnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com...  >>>  >>>  >>>>Galen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>	 >>>>>Hal,  >>>>> J >>>>>If you still have these systems available I'd love to get my hands onL >>>>>one. I am in Northern Virginia (work in Chantilly) but would be glad to? >>>>>drive as far as Baltimore if that should be where you are.  >>>>D >>>>He's in Hunt Valley, MD. It's about 30 miles north of Baltimore. >>>  >>>  >>>  >>I'm fine thanks. >>F >>Weren't you going to send me a check for 240 miles and $14 in tolls? >>M >>I emailed the mileage and tolls as you requested but I got neither a reply   >>nor a check! >  > F > Hopefully, you've received your money for work/travel for Tessco. I I > experienced a similar situation, when once the insurance money ran out  O > (after their flood) additional consultant work went unpaid - wasn't much but   > still resides in my memory.  >  > Randy  >  > F ~$100 isn't going to break me!  Since Hal was here, I thought I'd nag 
 him about it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:35:44 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Firmware compression algorithm?, Message-ID: <45369016.B1BAF4D6@teksavvy.com>  
 Camiel wrote: E > EV68-processor). The firmware-image I have (ds15_v7_2.exe) contains H > this firmware in what appears to be a compressed form. Can anyone tell= > me how to extract the actual firmware from this executable?   . I *SUSPECT* this is a self extracting archive.   I have a DS10 manualH http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/ds10cr-d.pdf  which has aF chapter on updating the firmware. And I didn't see any references to aB .EXE file. I suspect it is some sort of self extracting archive toB execute on VMS which then gives you the files needed to update the	 firmware.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:42:36 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> , Subject: Re: Firmware compression algorithm?5 Message-ID: <slrnejd4ds.423.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   [ In article <45369016.B1BAF4D6@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  > Camiel wrote: F >> EV68-processor). The firmware-image I have (ds15_v7_2.exe) containsI >> this firmware in what appears to be a compressed form. Can anyone tell > >> me how to extract the actual firmware from this executable? > 0 > I *SUSPECT* this is a self extracting archive. >  > I have a DS10 manualJ > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/ds10cr-d.pdf  which has aH > chapter on updating the firmware. And I didn't see any references to aD > .EXE file. I suspect it is some sort of self extracting archive toD > execute on VMS which then gives you the files needed to update the > firmware.    Try:   $ unzip ds15_v7_2.exe    Might work.    -Dan   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 12:02:25 -0700) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: FTP fails to start C Message-ID: <1161198145.417968.223610@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   D On Oct 18, 1:16 pm, David D Miller <ddmil...@raytheon.com> wrote (in part): > These are my findings: > " > > DIR node"TCPIP$FTP password":: > L > > This might give you insight of what happens when TCPIP$FTP is starting aI > > process, whether it has access to its SYS$LOGIN and create a log file Y > > (in this case a decnet log file).I did that, too.  I got the following error message:  > I > DIRECT-F-OPENIN, error opening APOLLO"DMILLER password"::*.*;* as input 1 > -RMS-E-FNF, ACP file or directory lookup failed , > -SYSTEM-F-LINKEXIT, network partner exited >   F In your login.com, do you have a "set ter/inq" that is executed in allD cases? If you have that and do not have "$ set noon" at the start ofC the procedure, the login procedure will die and that will cause the F above error. You should always have a "$ set noon" at the start of you@ login.com procedure. You should only do a "$ set ter/inq" during interactive sessions.    Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:19:27 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: FTP fails to start 9 Message-ID: <TKGdnSkxE5KP4avYnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@libcom.com>    David D Miller wrote:   I > DIRECT-F-OPENIN, error opening APOLLO"DMILLER password"::*.*;* as input 1 > -RMS-E-FNF, ACP file or directory lookup failed , > -SYSTEM-F-LINKEXIT, network partner exited  G This is telling you that the directory specified does not exist on the   target system.  I If device and directory are not specified, then the device and directory  F from the source system are used.  Does DMILLER have a user account on F the target system?  If so, what are the DEV and DIR fields in the UAF  record?   C To avoid using defaults, try specifying the entire filespec in the  H directory command, ie; APOLLO"DMILLER password"::<device><directory>*.*.  3 > Then I looked in the UAF.  Two interesting items:  > F > - the non-interactive login time corresponded to the time of the DIR	 > command " > - there were zero login failures >  > Query: > K > In the UAF, it reads  "LGICMD:  LOGIN".  Is that right?  Is .COM assumed?    That should be fine.  I > Now that I changed the password in the UAF, do I have to tell FTP, too?  > (somehow?)   Don't know.  Doubt it.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:48:31 -0700 , From: David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> Subject: Re: FTP fails to start V Message-ID: <OFB3FE9D55.0105B28F-ON0725720B.006C311D-0725720B.006CC297@mck.us.ray.com>  B Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote on 10/18/2006 12:19:27 PM:   > David D Miller wrote:  > K > > DIRECT-F-OPENIN, error opening APOLLO"DMILLER password"::*.*;* as input 3 > > -RMS-E-FNF, ACP file or directory lookup failed . > > -SYSTEM-F-LINKEXIT, network partner exited > H > This is telling you that the directory specified does not exist on the > target system. > J > If device and directory are not specified, then the device and directoryG > from the source system are used.  Does DMILLER have a user account on G > the target system?  If so, what are the DEV and DIR fields in the UAF 	 > record?  > D > To avoid using defaults, try specifying the entire filespec in theJ > directory command, ie; APOLLO"DMILLER password"::<device><directory>*.*.   Oh poop! Fat Fingers.   G In fact, DIR APOLLO"DMILLER password", works fine.  So I know DECNET is  working.   I meant to write  I DIRECT-F-OPENIN, error opening APOLLO"TCPIP$FTP password"::*.*;* as input   I I realize your comments apply to that as command as well.  Now I'm trying . to track down what I presume is a UAF problem.  5 > > Then I looked in the UAF.  Two interesting items:  > > H > > - the non-interactive login time corresponded to the time of the DIR > > command $ > > - there were zero login failures > > 
 > > Query: > > D > > In the UAF, it reads  "LGICMD:  LOGIN".  Is that right?  Is .COM assumed? >  > That should be fine. > K > > Now that I changed the password in the UAF, do I have to tell FTP, too?  > > (somehow?) >  > Don't know.  Doubt it. >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450@ > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > DFE Ultralights, Inc.  > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:27:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: FTP fails to start , Message-ID: <45368E1A.20247782@teksavvy.com>   David D Miller wrote: F > Yes, it's login directory is right and it has network access -- onlyG > NETWORK access.  I also made sure it had (none) in the Expiration and  > Pwdlifetime fields.    OK, possible twist to this:   : On the account you use to debug the TCPIP$FTP problem, do:   $SHOW LOG SYSUAF/FULL   G In case you may have a process logical pointing to one SYSUAF.DAT file, B while the system itself uses a different SYSUAF file. This *MIGHT*E explain why in AUTHORIZE, you see a nice clean defintion of TCPIP$FTP 5 account, but in production, it seems to be fucked up.   I > DIRECT-F-OPENIN, error opening APOLLO"DMILLER password"::*.*;* as input 1 > -RMS-E-FNF, ACP file or directory lookup failed , > -SYSTEM-F-LINKEXIT, network partner exited  E You may wish to look at SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM to see if it does any G redefinition of the job logical SYS$LOGIN for interactive users but not G for other modes. If a DECNET simple DIR command fails for your personal A account, then it is also bound to fail for the TCPIP$FTP account.   ? From you account, you might wish to do a SHOW LOG SYS$LOGIN and G SYS$LOGIN_DEVICE and compare the values with what you find in AUTHORIZE F for that account. Differences might suggest different SYSUAF.DAT files7 being used or your login being redefined in SYLOGIN.COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:45:20 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: FTP fails to start , Message-ID: <45369256.5B50EFC7@teksavvy.com>   David D Miller wrote: K > DIRECT-F-OPENIN, error opening APOLLO"TCPIP$FTP password"::*.*;* as input  > K > I realize your comments apply to that as command as well.  Now I'm trying 0 > to track down what I presume is a UAF problem.   Another thing to try:   
 $MC SYSMAN* SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE=APOLLO/USER=TCPIP$FTP Password: xxxxxx" SYSMAN> DO SHOW LOG SYS$LOGIN/FULL  G And see what it says. (likely going to be the same as the decnet error, G but if this is donw through SMI, it might behave slightly differently).    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:28:52 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L( Message-ID: <eh6dbk$3fg$1@pcls6.std.com>  1 Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:   F >In console mode, it uses a very basic driver. You don't get the full 7 >1280*1024 or whatever you choose until Motif fires up.   G I noticed that on booting, something happens such that the font changes H although it's still in VGA text mode.  What happens here? This is before the change into Decwindows.   F >In console mode, the screen speed is also somewhat slow; you want to % >avoid full screen edits for example.   E You want slow?  Try the console on an Alphastation 200 with a ZLXP-Ex D TGA card.  Scrolling a full screen one line literally takes seconds.H It apparently does so at high IPL since this messes up the system clock, too.  C This doesn't involve VGA text mode.  The number of lines is larger, G and the text is white on black.  Probably fully emulated in the console  code.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:24:18 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10LJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-425F59.02241819102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  ( In article <eh6dbk$3fg$1@pcls6.std.com>,9  moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:   3 > Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:  > H > >In console mode, it uses a very basic driver. You don't get the full 9 > >1280*1024 or whatever you choose until Motif fires up.  > I > I noticed that on booting, something happens such that the font changes J > although it's still in VGA text mode.  What happens here? This is before > the change into Decwindows.   A Yes, at that point it switches background from blue to black and  I displays a banner about the Elsa Gloria card I have. After a short delay  - it then comes up with BIOS Emulation details.    > H > >In console mode, the screen speed is also somewhat slow; you want to ' > >avoid full screen edits for example.  > G > You want slow?  Try the console on an Alphastation 200 with a ZLXP-Ex F > TGA card.  Scrolling a full screen one line literally takes seconds.J > It apparently does so at high IPL since this messes up the system clock, > too. >   B Next time I boot minimum, I'll see if I can make a small video to 1 demonstrate just how painfully slow it can be :-)   E > This doesn't involve VGA text mode.  The number of lines is larger, I > and the text is white on black.  Probably fully emulated in the console  > code.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:28:51 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L: Message-ID: <1oidnUZQVsVeW6vYnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com>   Michael Moroney wrote:  3 > Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:  >  > G >>In console mode, it uses a very basic driver. You don't get the full  8 >>1280*1024 or whatever you choose until Motif fires up. >  > I > I noticed that on booting, something happens such that the font changes J > although it's still in VGA text mode.  What happens here? This is before > the change into Decwindows.  >  > G >>In console mode, the screen speed is also somewhat slow; you want to  & >>avoid full screen edits for example. >  > G > You want slow?  Try the console on an Alphastation 200 with a ZLXP-Ex F > TGA card.  Scrolling a full screen one line literally takes seconds.J > It apparently does so at high IPL since this messes up the system clock, > too. <snip>  G Mine seems quite fast; I can scroll a DECterm with the scroll bar, all  H twentyfour or so lines in a second or two.  Perhaps you have some other E problem.  Or was there a higher performance graphics adapter on some  G Alphastation 200s?  SHOW DEVICE/FULL GQA0 just says it's a "DECWindows   Output Device"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:59:49 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10LJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-4BCE6B.02594919102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  : In article <1oidnUZQVsVeW6vYnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com>,5  "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:    > Michael Moroney wrote: > 5 > > Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:  > >  > > I > >>In console mode, it uses a very basic driver. You don't get the full  : > >>1280*1024 or whatever you choose until Motif fires up. > >  > > K > > I noticed that on booting, something happens such that the font changes L > > although it's still in VGA text mode.  What happens here? This is before > > the change into Decwindows.  > >  > > I > >>In console mode, the screen speed is also somewhat slow; you want to  ( > >>avoid full screen edits for example. > >  > > I > > You want slow?  Try the console on an Alphastation 200 with a ZLXP-Ex H > > TGA card.  Scrolling a full screen one line literally takes seconds.L > > It apparently does so at high IPL since this messes up the system clock, > > too. > <snip> > I > Mine seems quite fast; I can scroll a DECterm with the scroll bar, all  J > twentyfour or so lines in a second or two.  Perhaps you have some other G > problem.  Or was there a higher performance graphics adapter on some  I > Alphastation 200s?  SHOW DEVICE/FULL GQA0 just says it's a "DECWindows   > Output Device"  F Sorry, I am talking about console performance _without_ Motif running.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:56:58 -0700 4 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet02_REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L% Message-ID: <1161226465.721849@smirk>    Michael Moroney wrote:  G > You want slow?  Try the console on an Alphastation 200 with a ZLXP-Ex F > TGA card.  Scrolling a full screen one line literally takes seconds.J > It apparently does so at high IPL since this messes up the system clock, > too.  C Ha!   You think that's slow?   What is slow is an AlphaServer 1000A D with the on-board graphics chip!   It scrolled at about one line per? second.   At the next DECUS symposium I hunted down the project C engineer and told him exactly what I thought of his implementation.   = Other than that one problem, the 1000A was excellent.   After @ installing a decent graphics card (a cheap ATI card that Fred K.F recommended), it has been a rock-solid machine for the last ten years.   Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:13:12 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L+ Message-ID: <4536FB50.4C026F3@teksavvy.com>    Alan Frisbie wrote: A > second.   At the next DECUS symposium I hunted down the project E > engineer and told him exactly what I thought of his implementation.   E Mark Hurd should be thanking you.... if users did the hunting down of D bad engineers, Hurd wouldn't have to initiate any employee reduction< programmes that end up getting rid of the best people first.  G So Hurd should have just said it was now open hunting season on bad VMS D engineers and let the users do the dirty work :-) (And if he invitesE foreign users to do the deed, he can claim "No american performed any  torture on the VMS engineers".    :-) ;-) :-) :-) :-)    D And perhaps Ann McQuaid should suggest to some engineers to wear theA ubiquitous "red suit" synonymous with "this guy won't survive the  episode". :-) :-)    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:36:16 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L( Message-ID: <eh6vc0$s2b$1@pcls4.std.com>  6 Alan Frisbie <Usenet02_REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes:   >Michael Moroney wrote:   H >> You want slow?  Try the console on an Alphastation 200 with a ZLXP-ExG >> TGA card.  Scrolling a full screen one line literally takes seconds. K >> It apparently does so at high IPL since this messes up the system clock,  >> too.   D >Ha!   You think that's slow?   What is slow is an AlphaServer 1000AE >with the on-board graphics chip!   It scrolled at about one line per  >second.  . Sounds like about the same speed.  Wanna race?   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:39:31 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L( Message-ID: <eh6vi3$s2b$2@pcls4.std.com>  5 "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:    >Michael Moroney wrote:   H >> You want slow?  Try the console on an Alphastation 200 with a ZLXP-ExG >> TGA card.  Scrolling a full screen one line literally takes seconds. K >> It apparently does so at high IPL since this messes up the system clock,  >> too.  ><snip>   H >Mine seems quite fast; I can scroll a DECterm with the scroll bar, all I >twentyfour or so lines in a second or two.  Perhaps you have some other  F >problem.  Or was there a higher performance graphics adapter on some H >Alphastation 200s?  SHOW DEVICE/FULL GQA0 just says it's a "DECWindows  >Output Device"   I The console, not graphics mode.  That is, OPA0: before DECWindows starts.   9 Once DECWindows was started, the graphics speed was fine.    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 14:13:39 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) O Subject: RE: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! 3 Message-ID: <0ubMUcdMv654@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ~ In article <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401C388EA@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:  E > CommunigatePro also supports the new regulatory requirements around I > logging all emails in a separate DB (after being cleaned for SPAM etc), I > so even if someone deleted an email after reading it, there would still  > be an audit trail.   What regulation is that ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:39:48 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> O Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! , Message-ID: <4536910A.AA645AED@teksavvy.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > What regulation is that ?   A Sarbanes Oxley in the USA (fallout from Enron) requires all email  communications be archived.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:42:35 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> O Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! , Message-ID: <453691B1.46FDCC39@teksavvy.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:   > JF - > C > Btw, you will likely be interested in the following presentation: I > (includes positioning of All-in-One vs Office Server vs CommunigatePro)  > < > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/CGPpresentation805.ppt  F Unfortunatly, this crashes powerpoint viewer on a mac after warning me8 of possible problems due to some missing far east fonts.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:37:41 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> O Subject: RE: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401C38B19@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20   > Sent: October 18, 2006 4:43 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A > Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new=20  > US support center! >=20 > "Main, Kerry" wrote: >=20 > > JF - > >=20E > > Btw, you will likely be interested in the following presentation: > > > (includes positioning of All-in-One vs Office Server vs=20 > > CommunigatePro)  > >=20> > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/CGPpresentation805.ppt >=20@ > Unfortunatly, this crashes powerpoint viewer on a mac after=20E > warning me of possible problems due to some missing far east fonts.  >=20  3 Works fine with IE6, Opera 9.02 and Firefox V1.5 ..   = Drop me a note offline and I will send you the pdf version ..    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:52:25 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> O Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-39B66F.01522519102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  , In article <453691B1.46FDCC39@teksavvy.com>,/  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > > JF - > > E > > Btw, you will likely be interested in the following presentation: K > > (includes positioning of All-in-One vs Office Server vs CommunigatePro)  > > > > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/CGPpresentation805.ppt > H > Unfortunatly, this crashes powerpoint viewer on a mac after warning me: > of possible problems due to some missing far east fonts.   You can grab a pdf of it here:  / http://sture.homeip.net/vms/CommuniGate_Pro.pdf    2.2 MB, 35 pages.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:27:22 -0400 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>O Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! . Message-ID: <mgCZg.22567$2g4.12136@dukeread09>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: D > In article <4pd8jpFigghtU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill > Gunshannon) writes: N >> How could they "wrest" OpenVMS away from HP?  It is either for sale or not.L >> And up til now, not.  All the money in the world won't buy something that >> is not for sale.  > H > Theoretically, since HP is a public company, anyone with enough money ; > could buy enough stock to enable him to do what he wants.   ' Current HP market cap is around 105 B$.    So 51% would be ...    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:38:10 -0400 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>O Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! . Message-ID: <tqCZg.22569$2g4.17205@dukeread09>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> What regulation is that ? > C > Sarbanes Oxley in the USA (fallout from Enron) requires all email  > communications be archived.     I am not sure that they have to.  3 But they want to after the failure to produce email & costed Morgan Stanley 1.4 B$ in court.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:05:25 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> O Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! 9 Message-ID: <0q2dnaAgXKDLaqvYnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Arne Vajhj wrote:1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: E >> In article <4pd8jpFigghtU2@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill  >> Gunshannon) writes:H >>> How could they "wrest" OpenVMS away from HP?  It is either for sale  >>> or not. I >>> And up til now, not.  All the money in the world won't buy something   >>> that >>> is not for sale. >>I >> Theoretically, since HP is a public company, anyone with enough money  < >> could buy enough stock to enable him to do what he wants. > ) > Current HP market cap is around 105 B$.  >  > So 51% would be ...  >  > Arne  - If I had $53B I sure wouldn't waste it on HP.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:20:47 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> Subject: Re: In a box solutions , Message-ID: <45369ab0$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  4 don't get started on pre-configured cluster systems.  J I did two of those in the 80's (remember the 8974 and 8978) and guess what you all poo-pooed them to death   G there were other attempts at pre-configured cluster systems in the 90's  also.     3 "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in message = news:1161125127.203157.185890@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... I > No affordable cluster in a box packaged solution for VMS customers from 4 > HP; that would have been too likely to spur sales. > H > However Sun now has a datacenter in a box.  Somewhat (!) bigger box (a5 > shipping container) but the concept is pretty neat.  > D > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Sun_Data_Center.html >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:44:34 +0100 5 From: "Tom Garcia" <tgarcia-REMOVE-THIS@hivemind.org> I Subject: MultiNet 5.1 public key authentication fails on PuTTY, SecureCRT 7 Message-ID: <4536ae54$0$633$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>    Hello,  F I can't get public key authentication working with certain clients on L MultiNet 5.1's ssh server under OpenVMS 8.3, Alpha DS10L, very new install. > All severity 0,1,2 MultiNet patches to date have been applied.   What doesn't work:K  PuTTY 0.58 and VanDyke SecureCRT 5.2.0 clients - logs suggest the key has  B been accepted as appropriate for login (to SYSTEM), but signature . verification fails. 1024 bit RSA and DSA keys.   What does work: M  - Using the failed key pair below, with the public key converted to OpenSSH  L form, to connect from the PuTTY client to an OpenSSH 4.2p1 Linux server. So C a single key pair may succeed or fail depending on the client used. G  - Creating a new key pair under OpenSSH 4.2p1 on Linux, converting to  L ssh.com form, and using the Linux OpenSSH client to connect to the MultiNet ' server using public key authentication. M  - Creating a new key pair using the MultiNet SSH client and using it to log  0 in to localhost using public key authentication.   Enclosed examples:  - two failed login outputs;+  - one SSHD.LOG extract, and one PuTTY log; L  - the private and public keys for the PuTTY attempt with 1024-bit RSA keys.  	 Thoughts: K  - Am I missing some option for the signature mechanism used by the client? F  - Does SSH use some of the security stuff built in to the latest VMS - releases that I haven't initialised properly?   3 ---o<--- sample login session on SecureCRT ---o<---   =  Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V8.3    *** dialog then appears *** H "The server recognized your public key, capi::my, but none of the known L signature mechanisms were accepted. This normally means that the server you J are connecting to does not comply with any of the supported standards. If H you are connecting to a 2.0.12 server (either the non-commercial or the ? F-Secure version), public key authentication is not supported."    ---o<--- SSHD.LOG ---o<---  H With "debug 5", an extract of the failed attempt from VanDyke SecureCRT J using DSA, starting about a screenful after: "Key check finalized. Key is K accepted." The "user cancellation" follows the clicking of "Cancel" on the  
 dialog above.   9 (21:00:28)Sshd2/SSHD2.C;3:1296: Adding group: system, 0.? : (21:00:28)Sshd2/SSHD2.C;3:1670: output: publickey,passwordF (21:00:28)SshUnxixFdStream/SSHUNIXFDSTREAM.C;3:417: writing 1080 bytesF (21:00:28)SshUnxixFdStream/SSHUNIXFDSTREAM.C;3:417: writing 1088 bytesK (21:00:28)Ssh2AuthPubKeyServer/AUTHS-PUBKEY.C;2:1464: Public key algorithm  
 is ssh-rsa; (21:00:28)SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C;2:3327: Configuration file  1 `SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.SSH2]authorization.' is old- G (21:00:28)SshUserFiles/SSHKEYBLOB2.C;1:573: key blob magic = 0x00000005 A (21:00:28)Ssh2AuthPubKeyServer/AUTHS-PUBKEY.C;2:1060: Public key  + SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.SSH2]securecrt.pub, siz F (21:00:28)SshUnxixFdStream/SSHUNIXFDSTREAM.C;3:417: writing 1080 bytesK (21:00:28)Ssh2AuthPubKeyServer/AUTHS-PUBKEY.C;2:1464: Public key algorithm  
 is ssh-rsa; (21:00:28)SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C;2:3327: Configuration file  1 `SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.SSH2]authorization.' is old- G (21:00:28)SshUserFiles/SSHKEYBLOB2.C;1:573: key blob magic = 0x00000005 A (21:00:28)Ssh2AuthPubKeyServer/AUTHS-PUBKEY.C;2:1060: Public key  + SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.SSH2]securecrt.pub, siz J (21:00:28)SshProtoCompat/SSH2COMPAT.C;1:37: Pubkey from server is of type 
 'if-modn'.J (21:00:28)SshProtoCompat/SSH2COMPAT.C;1:62: Scheme for RSA public key was  set to rsa-pkcs1-sha1 E SSHD 0002[20200127]: WARNING: Public key operation failed for system. F (21:00:28)SshUnxixFdStream/SSHUNIXFDSTREAM.C;3:417: writing 1088 bytesK (21:00:28)Ssh2AuthPubKeyServer/AUTHS-PUBKEY.C;2:1464: Public key algorithm  
 is ssh-rsa; (21:00:28)SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C;2:3327: Configuration file  1 `SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.SSH2]authorization.' is old- G (21:00:28)SshUserFiles/SSHKEYBLOB2.C;1:573: key blob magic = 0x00000005 A (21:00:28)Ssh2AuthPubKeyServer/AUTHS-PUBKEY.C;2:1060: Public key  + SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.SSH2]securecrt.pub, siz J (21:00:28)SshProtoCompat/SSH2COMPAT.C;1:37: Pubkey from server is of type 
 'if-modn'.J (21:00:28)SshProtoCompat/SSH2COMPAT.C;1:62: Scheme for RSA public key was  set to rsa-pkcs1-sha1 E SSHD 0002[20200127]: WARNING: Public key operation failed for system. F (21:00:28)SshUnxixFdStream/SSHUNIXFDSTREAM.C;3:417: writing 1088 bytesK (21:00:28)Ssh2AuthPubKeyServer/AUTHS-PUBKEY.C;2:1464: Public key algorithm  
 is ssh-rsa; (21:00:28)SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C;2:3327: Configuration file  1 `SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.SSH2]authorization.' is old- G (21:00:28)SshUserFiles/SSHKEYBLOB2.C;1:573: key blob magic = 0x00000005 A (21:00:28)Ssh2AuthPubKeyServer/AUTHS-PUBKEY.C;2:1060: Public key  + SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.SSH2]securecrt.pub, siz J (21:00:28)SshProtoCompat/SSH2COMPAT.C;1:37: Pubkey from server is of type 
 'if-modn'.J (21:00:28)SshProtoCompat/SSH2COMPAT.C;1:62: Scheme for RSA public key was  set to rsa-pkcs1-sha1 E SSHD 0002[20200127]: WARNING: Public key operation failed for system. F (21:00:28)SshUnxixFdStream/SSHUNIXFDSTREAM.C;3:417: writing 1088 bytes? (21:00:31)Ssh2Transport/TRCOMMON.C;3:1625: Processing received   SSH_MSG_DISCONNECTI (21:00:31)Ssh2Transport/TRCOMMON.C;3:606: Disconnecting: reason code: 13  # message: 'The user canceled authent F (21:00:31)Ssh2Common/SSHCOMMON.C;1:169: DISCONNECT received: The user  canceled authentication.  / ---o<--- sample login session on PuTTY ---o<---    Using username "SYSTEM".  =  Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V8.3 ? Authenticating with public key "rsa-key-20061018-sphinx-system" ? Passphrase for key "rsa-key-20061018-sphinx-system": cat29felix 
 Access denied 9 SYSTEM@81.187.231.61's password: (actual system password)   @     Last interactive login on Wednesday, 18-OCT-2006 22:56:46.17D     Last non-interactive login on Wednesday, 18-OCT-2006 22:53:54.413         1 login failure since last successful login    $    ---o<--- putty log ---o<---   6 =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= PuTTY log 2006.10.18 23:38:19  =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= ? Event Log: Writing new session log (SSH packets mode) to file:   c:\tmp\putty.log* Event Log: Looking up host "81.187.231.61". Event Log: Connecting to 81.187.231.61 port 22F Event Log: Server version: SSH-2.0-3.2.9 F-SECURE SSH 5.0.1 - Process  Software MultiNet 7 Event Log: We claim version: SSH-2.0-PuTTY_Release_0.58 ' Event Log: Using SSH protocol version 2 / Incoming packet type 2 / 0x02 (SSH2_MSG_IGNORE) 1 Incoming packet type 20 / 0x14 (SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT) 1 Outgoing packet type 20 / 0x14 (SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT) < Event Log: Using Diffie-Hellman with standard group "group1", Event Log: Doing Diffie-Hellman key exchange4 Outgoing packet type 30 / 0x1e (SSH2_MSG_KEXDH_INIT)/ Incoming packet type 2 / 0x02 (SSH2_MSG_IGNORE) 5 Incoming packet type 31 / 0x1f (SSH2_MSG_KEXDH_REPLY) # Event Log: Host key fingerprint is: G Event Log: ssh-dss 1024 9a:7c:bf:d8:8d:03:26:08:17:98:4f:e6:6b:d9:3f:08 1 Outgoing packet type 21 / 0x15 (SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS) 8 Event Log: Initialised AES-256 client->server encryption= Event Log: Initialised HMAC-SHA1 client->server MAC algorithm / Incoming packet type 2 / 0x02 (SSH2_MSG_IGNORE) 1 Incoming packet type 21 / 0x15 (SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS) 8 Event Log: Initialised AES-256 server->client encryption= Event Log: Initialised HMAC-SHA1 server->client MAC algorithm 8 Outgoing packet type 5 / 0x05 (SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST)/ Incoming packet type 2 / 0x02 (SSH2_MSG_IGNORE) 7 Incoming packet type 6 / 0x06 (SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT) : Outgoing packet type 50 / 0x32 (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_REQUEST)J Event Log: Reading private key file "C:\Documents and Settings\tgarcia\My 1 Documents\key\rsa-key-20061018-sphinx-system.ppk" / Incoming packet type 2 / 0x02 (SSH2_MSG_IGNORE) 9 Incoming packet type 53 / 0x35 (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_BANNER) / Incoming packet type 2 / 0x02 (SSH2_MSG_IGNORE) : Incoming packet type 51 / 0x33 (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_FAILURE): Outgoing packet type 50 / 0x32 (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_REQUEST) Event Log: Offered public key / Incoming packet type 2 / 0x02 (SSH2_MSG_IGNORE) 8 Incoming packet type 60 / 0x3c (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_PK_OK)' Event Log: Offer of public key accepted : Outgoing packet type 50 / 0x32 (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_REQUEST)/ Incoming packet type 2 / 0x02 (SSH2_MSG_IGNORE) : Incoming packet type 51 / 0x33 (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_FAILURE) Event Log: Access denied: Outgoing packet type 50 / 0x32 (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_REQUEST)I (((following represents successful login using password authentication)))  Event Log: Sent password/ Incoming packet type 2 / 0x02 (SSH2_MSG_IGNORE) : Incoming packet type 52 / 0x34 (SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_SUCCESS) Event Log: Access granted    ---o<--- SSHD2_CONFIG. ---o<---   ? precisely the supplied SSHD2_CONFIG.TEMPLATE (variations tried)   ? ---o<--- putty.ppk: private key, passphrase cat29felix ---o<---    PuTTY-User-Key-File-2: ssh-rsa Encryption: aes256-cbc' Comment: rsa-key-20061018-sphinx-system  Public-Lines: 4 @ AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABJQAAAIEAoPI6By8efsF8UkeFJnd2jEU9G2R8IzJm92S2@ kdmjxY47M1OsbuRoZRlAiWEyZS3/YlPHt18SwvXHd7YYsAmJeqrHEWzsd1ZqrjFW@ pAeMIQOX271ueEqhG8rrCnO+E+rey/IJH2CpbSp34k21i5e2eYwgUUTqlDn/F4VM aaB6BRc= Private-Lines: 8@ 9omo+XCEmzzLV/PVDpe4n4i58Ji7vJ8+uSRpqaGpyJhnRuE8RKHcDQH8Sr8H8w5M@ KRsPYtQNh+Zj5RpIEh5fROzrgA5x32Vz9H6624J8Z8GdYjVcJodXiUg7/r9pHonT@ CfzrjRd0WTrrG+fGPbEBB5F5ckhBbdz3xnxCVZm4rFAx6JHq4l9BiA53gTAKT6Kv@ Yn4lZEONRKCyfcGaGIsdrgq/f27iVmJ7x9I8PLybiJ1bT3+CEhEdzxzLqTSq2ns4@ 6XGfuiPHes/f8R0BV5c7operqHs5mKUHgyUYLM/mP0Fh0Chyt3iwSvkpF83+Tdb7@ 85RQwD7u61WBSbcEs9uDVNPNYKFRyLco+0sMCbU/PP87lgNwTPpQmI+clnoqdbN5@ +EJPylpzTKa4GNEvmGmIGVIJTx0qmDltdVx4N6BqoMmHPBL3iAB2x0xAseXem2sf /qedrfzSUyyiA0EsKI04vw==5 Private-MAC: 308c7816d55fc61b4a1af0be6860cf8fee5edbc7   ? ---o<--- [.SSH2]PUTTY.PUB: public key, ssh.com version ---o<---    ---- BEGIN SSH2 PUBLIC KEY ---- ) Comment: "rsa-key-20061018-sphinx-system" @ AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABJQAAAIEAoPI6By8efsF8UkeFJnd2jEU9G2R8IzJm92S2@ kdmjxY47M1OsbuRoZRlAiWEyZS3/YlPHt18SwvXHd7YYsAmJeqrHEWzsd1ZqrjFW@ pAeMIQOX271ueEqhG8rrCnO+E+rey/IJH2CpbSp34k21i5e2eYwgUUTqlDn/F4VM aaB6BRc= ---- END SSH2 PUBLIC KEY ----   ' ---o<--- [.SSH2]AUTHORIZATION. ---o<---   
 KEY putty.pub   ( ---o<--- ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ---o<---  H Same key as above, converted to OpenSSH form, works fine when used with  OpenSSH client.    ssh-rsa  AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABJQAAAIEAoPI6By8efsF8UkeFJnd2jEU9G2R8IzJm92S2kdmjxY47M1OsbuRoZRlAiWEyZS3/YlPHt18SwvXHd7YYsAmJeqrHEWzsd1ZqrjFWpAeMIQOX271ueEqhG8rrCnO+E+rey/IJH2CpbSp34k21i5e2eYwgUUTqlDn/F4VMaaB6BRc=   rsa-key-20061018-sphinx-system  ' ---o<-----------------------------o<---    Thanks for your thoughts...!   --  ! Tom Garcia | tgarcia@hivemind.org    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 14:20:03 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: Netiquette faux pas3 Message-ID: <izHvwwNJKUAW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <1161095374.315064.64060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, "Mike" <mlpoole@gmail.com> writes:  > , > Needless to say I have become a VMS Bigot.  	 > Thanks,  > Mike  !    New VMS Bigots always welcome.    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 13:58:17 -0700) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com>   Subject: Re: Netiquette faux pasA Message-ID: <1161205097.037590.14990@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    Mike,   ! Welcome to the OpenVMS community.   , As faux pas goes, I wouldn't worry about it.  $ - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:28:28 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>   Subject: Re: OpenVMS over VMWare5 Message-ID: <slrnejdomc.423.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   T In article <ifydnTRdbIjoQ6vYnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@adelphia.com>, dmp <dmp@dmp.com> wrote:H > I have been fooling around with VMWare server lately and am running a K > Linux base with WinXP, Win2k, and Fedora Core 5 virtual machines. So, my  I > question is this: Has anyone out there run VMS virtualized, and if so,  ) > what issues/problems did you encounter?   G Well, the first and biggest problem is that shipped versions of OpenVMS F has not been ported to the x86 architecture. VMware will only run OSes" that runs on the x86 architecture.  H If you really want to fool around with VMS under Linux, your best bet isF probably to run the SIMH emulator and then install VMS within it using these instructions for Linux:   : http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html   -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:09:51 -0400  From: dmp <dmp@dmp.com>  Subject: OpenVMS over VMWare; Message-ID: <ifydnTRdbIjoQ6vYnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@adelphia.com>   F I have been fooling around with VMWare server lately and am running a I Linux base with WinXP, Win2k, and Fedora Core 5 virtual machines. So, my  G question is this: Has anyone out there run VMS virtualized, and if so,  ' what issues/problems did you encounter?  Thanks dmp    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2006 17:53:22 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)> Subject: Re: OT: Former Compaq board member cleared of charges+ Message-ID: <4pn80iFi47b5U1@individual.net>   D In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0610181040500.4747@localhost.localdomain>,( 	Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:& > On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, JF Mezei wrote: > I >> Ken Lay, former Compaq board member, had his "guilty verdict" formerly B >> dropped because his forced stay at a cemetary prevents him from1 >> exercising his right to appeal his conviction.  >>K >> As a result, the government cannot seize any of his assets to distribute H >> to shareholders/creditors of another company he destroyed (Enron) and$ >> his Wife gets to keep her riches. >  > Pretty shrewd.   D And probably not really what someone is trying to make it out to be.A Court proceedings only end at death when the parties involved all B agree to end them.  For example, The decendants of Bruno Hauptmann2 are still fighting in court to get him exonerated.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:12:42 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com> Subject: Re: OT: Former Compaq board member cleared of chargesQ Message-ID: <OFD756C5FF.47FA687B-ON8525720B.006947CA-8525720B.0069884F@metso.com>   : bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu wrote on 10/18/2006 01:53:22 PM:  F > In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0610181040500.4747@localhost.localdomain>,, >    Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:( > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, JF Mezei wrote: > > K > >> Ken Lay, former Compaq board member, had his "guilty verdict" formerly D > >> dropped because his forced stay at a cemetary prevents him from3 > >> exercising his right to appeal his conviction.  > >>B > >> As a result, the government cannot seize any of his assets to
 distributeJ > >> to shareholders/creditors of another company he destroyed (Enron) and& > >> his Wife gets to keep her riches. > >  > > Pretty shrewd. > F > And probably not really what someone is trying to make it out to be.C > Court proceedings only end at death when the parties involved all D > agree to end them.  For example, The decendants of Bruno Hauptmann4 > are still fighting in court to get him exonerated.  J Actually, in most states this is routine.  He cannot be denied due processK of law by premature death, so his convictions are vacated.  The other stuff E is just fallout, not a conspriracy (unless you believe he is a) still  alive, or b) was poisoned).   >  > bill >  > --E > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three  wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:41:50 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ' Subject: OT: R/C Plane with Video Servo ; Message-ID: <4536bb6b$0$5906$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   J I'm sending this link to all my technical friends. This Quebec hacker has K built a video servo control system into a pair of goggles then mounted the  K other half of the system onto an R-C toy air plane which he then flies all   around a golf course.   M Watch the whole video and you will see brief views of the servo system. Very   Cool !!!   Neil   Golf club Royal Bromont M A Canadian RC airplane enthusiast combined a model airplane, virtual reality  K goggles and a wireless camera. It works like this: A fairly standard model  B airplane is controlled normally with a wireless remote control. A I pan-and-tilt camera is mounted at the airplane's center of gravity, also  I controlled wirelessly. Video from the camera is viewable through virtual  J reality goggles, which have a gyroscope attached to sense the movement of J the goggles and control the camera accordingly. When the wearer moves his F head, the camera also moves. This is a breathtaking, goggle-eye video.  A http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-2237947353453839215&hl=fr    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 14:17:42 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS 3 Message-ID: <Jh2xFspf211x@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <4pk4guFjacd5U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > I > This is only true if you are assuming that competent VMS support people / > are as easy to find as competent Unix people.  >  > bill  F    Bill, you know very well I can find a couple of the former and none8    of the latter.  You shouldn't bait me like that.  8-)  F    But I don't hire people who know VMS or UNIX, I hire people who are#    smart.  VMS is trivial to learn.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:08:17 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: Outsourcing of VMS T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401C38B29@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----G > From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]=20   > Sent: October 18, 2006 3:18 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ! > Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS  >=20A > In article <4pk4guFjacd5U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu=20  > (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > >=20G > > This is only true if you are assuming that competent VMS support=20 8 > > people are as easy to find as competent Unix people. > >=20 > > bill >=20H >    Bill, you know very well I can find a couple of the former and none: >    of the latter.  You shouldn't bait me like that.  8-) >=20H >    But I don't hire people who know VMS or UNIX, I hire people who are% >    smart.  VMS is trivial to learn.  >=20   Bob - well said.  E One pet peeve of mine is those who think to much in the weeds i.e. an B Oracle DBA who proudly proclaims "I do not do SQL Server" (or viceF versa) .. Imho, a DBA is a DBA is a DBA .. Its kind of like a mechanic  stating he only works on Fords..  F When one gets down to it, a smart person with good SysAdmin skills canH easily pick up level 1 and/or even level 2 support of OpenVMS or UNIX or Windows.=20   H This no different than a smart mechanic who does not limit themselves to& only working on one model of car only.  D A company will be much better off hiring smart SysAdmins rather than! mechanics who only work on Fords.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2006 14:11:57 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: Question about terminals 3 Message-ID: <mJt8Zv7Fa7bo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <12j9leam50o69a4@news.supernews.com>, "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> writes: C > We are looking into the possibility of building LCD dumb terminal  > interfaces - 15" probably  > . > Does anyone think this might be of interest? > D > What we would actually do is provide a "little black box" with PS2( > interface, VGA style interface and DB9E > The serial port would connect to the Terminal server or system etc. L > We would develop it on the basis that LK411/461/463/464 is supported fully > % > Do people use dumb terminals still? M > If so, how any of y'all are currently using them on Alpha systems and other 	 > brands?   F    I pick up used VT200, 300, and 400 series terminals and use them asD    consoles for VAXen and Alphas.  When they go bust I look for some    more.  G    We once used a VT200 emulator built in a laptop style box with a PC  H    style keypad and LCD monchrome screen, due to space constraints.  It I    had a dock with an inkjet printer (which we used for console hardcopy  /    a few times) and an LK style numeric keypad.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:38:07 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: Question about terminals , Message-ID: <453690A5.F9371959@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:H >    We once used a VT200 emulator built in a laptop style box with a PCF >    style keypad and LCD monchrome screen, due to space constraints.     C Just a word of warning: Laptops are generally not designed for 7/24 8 operation and will prematurely fail due to heat buildup.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:13:20 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Re: RUN process /ON=node , Message-ID: <45368AD8.AC4ACA89@teksavvy.com>   Ryan Moore wrote:  > H > The biggest problem I can see here is that there won't be an X-WindowsE > display defined on the process that gets created on the other node.   # Ahhh ! But for me there is. I do a    2 $SET DISPLAY/CREATE/EXEC/TRANSPORT=DECNET/NODE=XXX5 $DEFINE/SYSTEM DECW$DISPLAY  F$TRNLNM("DECW$DISPLAY")   D when the system boots. So any process on that system has access to aG DECW$DISPLAY that points to my workstation. (unless they redefine it to D point to another display). This works rteally well for a single user@ cluster where all output goes to the one X terminal/workstation.  D So, say I need a new DECTERM on a node that currently doesn't have a DECTERM running ? 	 MC SYSMAN  SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE=XXX SYSMAN> DO CREATE/TERM/DETACHED  SYSMAN> EXIT  D Because there is a systemwide DECW$DISPLAY, the CREATE/TERM/DETACHEDK works and I get a decterm running on that node targetted at my workstation.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:28:58 GMT + From: "Villy Madsen" <Villy.Madsen@shaw.ca>  Subject: spawn/detach . Message-ID: <_hCZg.157687$5R2.80638@pd7urf3no>  A Didn't there used to be a detach option for the spawn command ???    Villy    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:15:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: spawn/detach , Message-ID: <4536FBDC.638DA4C1@teksavvy.com>   Villy Madsen wrote:  > C > Didn't there used to be a detach option for the spawn command ???    I don't recall.   H The is SPAWN/NOWAIT which is the nearest to a detached process (but that# process dies when the parent dies).   H There is RUN/DETACHED which creates a true detached process but you needG to invoke loginout.exe as image, and feed it a command procedure to run G what you want it to do, unless you have a standalone image that doesn't % need your logicals and access to DCL.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:06:29 +0100 5 From: "Tom Garcia" <tgarcia-REMOVE-THIS@hivemind.org>  Subject: Re: USB hampster 7 Message-ID: <4536b376$0$623$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk>    FredK wrote:B > "Tom Garcia" <tgarcia-REMOVE-THIS@hivemind.org> wrote in message3 > news:4525569d$0$624$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...  >  >>E >> Does this mean VMS uses the firmware's enumeration of PCI devices, 3 >> or only those devices to which certain resources  > A > On Alpha there is no "firmware" discovered hardware.  Using the G > family type code in the HWRPB, the platform support code knows how to C > find the root addresses of all the busses and the non-PCI onboard 9 > hardware (like the floppy controller and serial ports).   H Been away for a few days, so just wanted to say thanks for this and the  other detailed explanations.  E > The USB is part of the core chip logic, my guess is that there is a @ > mechanism to disable the device so that it does not respond to > configuration space.  K Sounds likely - NetBSD and FreeBSD users appear from the newgroups to have  K little success once they've upgraded to a sufficiently recent firmware. On  L earlier versions, there seemed to be a different problem - the firmware not L assigning an IRQ to an otherwise visible device - which could be fixed with M http://students.fct.unl.pt/~cer09566/alphausb/index.html , a hack originally  M for the XP1000. However, such firmwares with USB enabled seemed to give very  = high interrupt load under NetBSD, so it was a mixed blessing.   H Core logic is 21272, USB controller is ALI M5237, PCI-ISA bridge is ALI * M1543, if anyone wants to hunt for docs...  D > I believe that it can be "unhidden" by changing a SRM variable and > issuing an INIT.  B SET USB_ENABLE ON on the XP1000, but I've not found an equivalent.   Regards,   --  " Tom Garcia | tgarcia@hivemind.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:10:36 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>@ Subject: Re: VMS documentation in PDF format (lack of bookmarks), Message-ID: <4536984d$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  I go on the doc site and click the 'send us your comments' in the left nav.   L make sure it's the fb_doc.html file and the comments will go directly to the
 doc group.   -warren   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:45349406.9FD0E1EB@teksavvy.com...A > TCPIP Services management guide for 5.3 was nice in PDF format. D > TCPIP Sercices management guide for 5.6 is UNUSABLE in PDF format. > G > Why? Because it lacks PDF bookmarks that make it easy to navigate the 	 document.  > H > I have noticed over time that some PDF documents had the bookmarks andG > some didn't.  But I had figured that as time went on, any new version J > produced would have the bookmarks. But it now seems that even a documentD > that had originally br produced with bookmarks is not garanteed to. > maintain those bookmarks when it is revised. > G > Does anyone have any explanation of why some documents have bookmarks D > and some don't ?  (and whi one particulatr document woudl lose theH > bookmarks after an update). What sort of tools are used that result in6 > some getting bookmarks and others not getting them ? >  >  > J > (a PDF document without bookmarks is unusable because you cannot quicklyD > get to some section by clicking on an index of topics, you have to: > scroll through every page to find the content you want). > G > I take it that once posted to the web, there is no chance of having a F > PDF file re-generated with bookmarkts and reposted to the web site ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:40:55 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: VMS is younger than Windows, Message-ID: <45368341.571E2CEC@teksavvy.com>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: P > I think the answer is somewhere in between. From conversations with my desktopQ > colleagues in the past they are able to role out images to large numbers of PCs 2 > but the PC hardware needs to be fairly similar.     F I was able to prevent a disaster at a customer of mine once. They head@ office in Toronto was about to blindly roll out such a scheme toH implement a new version of OS/software. Much quicker for them to do. AndF in the past, they had warned users to never store documents on their CM drive and users were dumbed down, locked, prevented from installing software.   F But their regional offices were without real local support. AND, as anH example, the montreal office had installed translation software on a few@ of their PCs (part of their jobs), AND a couple also had desktopH publishing (Quark/Pagemaker, fonts etc) installed on the actual machines that needed it.   H Had the toronto office gone through with their blind "zap the hard driveF and load a new image", the montreal office would have become unable toD perform its work for a LONG time until they could re-install all the8 software , find out which fonts were needed etc etc etc.  G If you have 100 secretaries that just office, you can roll out  pre-fab H images of a new version. But when you are dealing with knowledge workersG with different tasks (translation, desktop publishing etc), the "image"  process breaks down very fast.  F Note that with a serial (or perhaps TCPIP)  character cell console, itG makes it possible to remotely upgrade VMS nodes and that doesn't result D it in zapping any localisation that had been made. VMS upgrades haveB generally been pretty good (despite that PCSI thing) at preserving localised content.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:23:34 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>: Subject: Re: Weird BIND Server behaviour (reverse lookups), Message-ID: <GkBZg.10508$gx6.10173@trnddc05>   JF Mezei wrote: # > VAX VMS 7.3, TCPIP Services 5.3-2  > $ > ---------------------------------- > $ nslookup 204.92.15.223 > Server:  VELO.vaxination.ca  > Address:  10.0.0.11  > <very long pause> J > *** VELO.vaxination.ca can't find 204.92.15.223: No response from server > $  > $ > ---------------------------------- >  > $ nslookup 129.42.60.212 > Server:  VELO.vaxination.ca  > Address:  10.0.0.11  >  > Name:    www.ibm.com > Address:  129.42.60.212  >  > (almost instant).  > $ > ---------------------------------- >  > Now, the plot thickens:  >  >  > $ nslookup% > Default Server:  VELO.vaxination.ca  > Address:  10.0.0.11  >  >  >>server dns1.teksavvy.com > $ > Default Server:  dns1.teksavvy.com > Address:  69.28.199.126  >  >  >>204.92.15.223  >  > Server:  dns1.teksavvy.com > Address:  69.28.199.126  >  > Name:    aegis.fido.ca > Address:  204.92.15.223  > Y > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  > G > So, how come my BIND server ( from the tcpip services cannot find the G > reverse translation from 204.92.15.223, but my ISP's DNS server can ? @ > This would indicate that it is not a failure at the DNS serverH > responsive for that IP block since my ISP's DNS server is able to pull! > the PTR record without problem.  > J > And how come my own BIND server would be unable to resolve an apparently; > resolvable IP, but have no problem resolving the IBM IP ?  >  > H > (and this isn't just NSLOOKUP, it is all other utilities even the SMTPI > receiver. (aegis.fido.ca happens to be the SMTP server that distributes ! > emails I send from my handset).  >  > B > I know about the TCPIP$BIND_SERVER_CONTROL.EXE utility which canJ > increase the trace levels. Does anyone know if trace output would be theI > exact same as on documented UNIX versions ? Since the VMS documentation A > is absent for this, I would have to rely on UNIX gurus I guess.  > H > (I've not yet setup the alpha version of BIND which appears to be less > ancient).   G Could be a firewall or routing issue.  Your DNS server needs to look up G each segment of the ip address the in-addr.arpa domain to find its name D server (NS record) until it gets to 15.92.204.in-addr.arpa, then ask, that domain's nameserver for the PTR record.  G If there is a bad route or a blocking firewall rule between your server L and any of the intermediate name servers (blocking the UDP port 53 packets), it will time out like you see.  D If there is no such bad route or blocking firewall rule between yourC ISP's DNS server and the other name servers, then it will work fine  from your ISP's server.   A The most likely place is in your local firewall, if you have one.   D Another possibility is in the way firewalls work for UDP.  Since UDPE is connectionless, the firewall can't tell by examining the packet if D this is an expected response or not.  Instead, what a lot of them doG is if they see an outgoing packet from local host x on port y to remote @ host a on port b, they create a temporary firewall rule to allowB return packets from host a, port b back to host x, port y.  If youE are using NAT, it also adds a temporary NAT association to handle it. K After a few seconds, it deletes the rules, so if host a is slow responding, H the packets can get blocked or dropped as undeliverable.  Some firewallsB let you adjust this timer so you could try bumping it up.  AnotherB way to handle this is to set up your local DNS server as a serviceD (handling UDP port 53) so your firewall will forward all DNS packetsG to it, no matter what the timing.  (You should probably block non-local O name resolution in your bind.conf file (sys$sysroot:[tcpip$bind]tcpip$bind.conf C for UCX.), to keep the whole world from stealing your bandwidth and < compute cycles by using your DNS server, if you do this. :-)       --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:08:22 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: Weird BIND Server behaviour (reverse lookups), Message-ID: <4536FA2E.92B4CDDD@teksavvy.com>   John Santos wrote:I > If there is a bad route or a blocking firewall rule between your server N > and any of the intermediate name servers (blocking the UDP port 53 packets),  > it will time out like you see.  E But it works perfectly for other reverse lookups. So it couldn't be a 5 general problem affecting all UDB packets to port 53.   M > After a few seconds, it deletes the rules, so if host a is slow responding, ; > the packets can get blocked or dropped as undeliverable.    F OK, that sounds plausible. However, I just added a NAT forwarding ruleE to specifically send all port 53 packets to the host running the bind : server. And no change. It still fails on that specific IP.    < is it possible that the ancient VAX VMS BIND server might beE incompatible with the specific authirity bind server that can resolve  that specific IP ?    G Looking at the bind server logs, I see that when requesting that IP, it A does obtain the DNS  NAMES and IPs of the authority DNS servers.     Now, here is even weirder:   nslookup 204.92.15.223 fails% nslookup 204.92.15.182 succeeds !!!!!    And now worse.  ; After having played with dig to try to extract the zone for H 15.92.204.in-addr.arpa on the rogers.com DNS servers (couldn't succceed,D but did manage to get reverse translation for both IPs), well, afterG having played with that, an NSLOOKUP of 204.92.14.223 now succceeds :-)    Damned those random errors.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.574 ************************