1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 20 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 576       Contents: AdvancedServer Installation  Re: AdvancedServer Installation  Re: AdvancedServer Installation  Re: AdvancedServer Installation - Re: Alphaserver 200 4/233 power supply needed  Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph ! Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph ! Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph ! Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph ! Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph ! Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph  Re: DECconnect adapters  Re: DECconnect adapters  Re: DECconnect adapters  Re: DECconnect adapters  Re: DECconnect adapters 1 Re: DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP symbol or logical ? 1 Re: DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP symbol or logical ? 1 Re: DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP symbol or logical ? $ Digital Server 5305 hardware problem Re: FTP fails to start Re: FTP fails to start Re: FTP fails to start Re: FTP fails to start Re: FTP fails to start$ Fw: Running a news server on OpenVMS Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L 2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability Re: How to redirect? Re: In a box solutions Re: In a box solutions< Re: Keeping telnet session alive between tcpip connections ? Re: Netiquette faux pas  Re: OpenVMS over VMWare  Re: OpenVMS over VMWare  Re: OpenVMS over VMWare  Re: Question about terminals Re: Question about terminals Re: Question about terminals Re: R/C Plane with Video Servo  Running a news server on OpenVMS$ Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS$ Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS Re: USB hampster6 Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. Re: Virtual VMS  Re: VMS stuff available now   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:20:28 -0700# From: "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> $ Subject: AdvancedServer InstallationC Message-ID: <1161282027.990342.281900@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hi All,   A I'm trying to install AdvancedServer V7.3-2B on a AlphaServer.  I G followed the install instructions and everything looked fine... until I D tried to logon (below).  I've skimmed through the manuals but didn't* find much on this error.  Any suggestions?   Bobby    ************
    $ admin$    HAPPY\\LUCKY> logon administrator    Password:?    You were logged on, but have not been validated by a server. =    Therefore, you may not have permission to use some network 
 resources.      HAPPY\\LUCKY>@ ****************************************************************   PWRK$CONFIG Settings: )    1.  Run the License Server:         NO &    2.  Enable Timesource service:   NO+    3.  Enable Alerter service:           NO *    4.  Enable Netlogon service:        YES*    5.  Advanced Server domain:       HAPPY/    6.  Advanced Server role:            PRIMARY -    7.  Advanced Server computer name:   LUCKY D    8.  Server announce comment:    Advanced Server V7.3B for OpenVMS1    9.  Advanced Server language:    English (USA) *    10. Enable NT style printing:        NO@ ****************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 12:45:05 -0700# From: "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> ( Subject: Re: AdvancedServer InstallationC Message-ID: <1161287105.740727.156550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F Well... I answered my own question (sort of).  I uninstalled the wholeG AdvancedServer package and started over.  It now works.  I suspect that D it had something to do with me changing the location of the PWRK$DIRE path after the first install or that I may not have been logged in as  SYSTEM the first time around.    Bobby    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:57:28 GMT & From: "PEN" <paul.nunez.nosp@m.hp.com>( Subject: Re: AdvancedServer Installation1 Message-ID: <YERZg.1362$rR6.353@news.cpqcorp.net>   	 Hi Bobby,   / "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> wrote in message  = news:1161287105.740727.156550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... H > Well... I answered my own question (sort of).  I uninstalled the wholeI > AdvancedServer package and started over.  It now works.  I suspect that F > it had something to do with me changing the location of the PWRK$DIRG > path after the first install or that I may not have been logged in as  > SYSTEM the first time around.  >  > Bobby  >   H FWIW, when you run pwrk$startup it returns to the DCL prompt before the K Advanced Server has completed startup (there are still 3 or 4 processes to  F start and the Advanced Server services (i.e., NETLOGON) still need to K start).   If the server is configured as a Primary Domain Controller (PDC)  H it will take even longer (to complete startup) than when configured for L other roles because the PDC has to be extra cautious and ensure there's not M already a PDC for the domain running.  So it spends several seconds querying  0 on the network, looking for a PDC of its domain.  F If you try any ADMIN command too soon after being returned to the DCL H prompt, you risk receiving a "general failure" error because the Server L service hasn't started.  Or, in the case of the PDC, if you catch it at the M right time, the Server service has started, but the NETLOGON service hasn't.  K This might explain why  you got the "You were logged on, but have not been    validated by a server." message.  % It's always a good idea to do/repeat:    $ admin show services   E after running PWRK$STARTUP and ensure the NETLOGON service is in the  K "Started" state before trying anything else (if your process has full OVMS  H privs enabled, you don't need to logon to the domain before executing $  admin show services).    HTH,   Paul     ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 15:01:32 -0700# From: "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> ( Subject: Re: AdvancedServer InstallationB Message-ID: <1161295292.739232.42090@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  G Thank you Paul!  I had just come back to this post to note that "it did G it again".  You're answer is very helpful.  I just repeated the process C and, if I logon too soon I get the message "You were logged on, but G have not been validated by a server."  It takes about ten seconds or so < for NETLOGON to come up but logon (now) works afterwards.  I4 (obviously) need to learn more about AdvancedServer!  E Unfortunately, I waited much longer than this on my first install but D never could log on.  When I checked log files I found a reference toE NETLOGON not being started due to an error.  On my second install, it A seemed to happen again.  So, I deleted/recreated the registry and 3 started over.  It appears to allow me to logon now.   , I'm going to play some more and test it out.   Bobby     
 PEN wrote: > Hi Bobby,  > 0 > "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> wrote in message? > news:1161287105.740727.156550@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... J > > Well... I answered my own question (sort of).  I uninstalled the wholeK > > AdvancedServer package and started over.  It now works.  I suspect that H > > it had something to do with me changing the location of the PWRK$DIRI > > path after the first install or that I may not have been logged in as ! > > SYSTEM the first time around.  > > 	 > > Bobby  > >  > I > FWIW, when you run pwrk$startup it returns to the DCL prompt before the L > Advanced Server has completed startup (there are still 3 or 4 processes toG > start and the Advanced Server services (i.e., NETLOGON) still need to L > start).   If the server is configured as a Primary Domain Controller (PDC)I > it will take even longer (to complete startup) than when configured for M > other roles because the PDC has to be extra cautious and ensure there's not N > already a PDC for the domain running.  So it spends several seconds querying2 > on the network, looking for a PDC of its domain. > G > If you try any ADMIN command too soon after being returned to the DCL I > prompt, you risk receiving a "general failure" error because the Server M > service hasn't started.  Or, in the case of the PDC, if you catch it at the N > right time, the Server service has started, but the NETLOGON service hasn't.L > This might explain why  you got the "You were logged on, but have not been" > validated by a server." message. > ' > It's always a good idea to do/repeat:  >  > $ admin show services  > F > after running PWRK$STARTUP and ensure the NETLOGON service is in theL > "Started" state before trying anything else (if your process has full OVMSI > privs enabled, you don't need to logon to the domain before executing $  > admin show services).  >  > HTH, >  > Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:00:02 -0400  From: "Ray" <no@spam.me>6 Subject: Re: Alphaserver 200 4/233 power supply needed* Message-ID: <XOQZg.31$iA1.19@newsfe05.lga>  L > I cut the motherboard plugs off both power supplies, and connected the oldJ > plugs to the new P/S. For each bundle I slid a lage piece of heat shrinkJ > tubing.  For each wire I slid a small piece of heat shrink, stripped theI > ends, soldered the spliced ends together, slipped the small heat shrink J > over the joint and shrank it.  When done with a bundle, I slid the large9 > heat shrink over the bunch of small ones and shrank it.   A Might I suggest making an adapter cable instead? The only missing @ piece would be a PC-style motherboard power connector, which youB could scavenge from a dead PC. The level of effort ought to be theA same, and the *next* time you have to replace the power supply it  will be a whole lot easier.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 13:14:39 -0500% From: frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon) & Subject: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph3 Message-ID: <asqrReptG1x2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   I 	Just got an email about a successful project completion at work and had  P to share.  If you all remember, we do 911 Dispatching software on Vax and Alpha K platforms.  We've had a team working on a Vax to Alpha upgrade for a LARGE  P customer over the past year or two.  This one happened to be the version of our M software written entirely in Macro - the oldest system still in use, I think. E 	They went live on Tuesday.  Total downtime to the users to swap the  L hardware out from under the Macro system:  4 minutes.  No serious problems,  only a few cosmetic ones. D 	I'm not in a position to publicize this, but I think HP should use . stories like this to laude *their* products.    	  - Sharon " "Gravity...  is a harsh mistress!"   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:20:35 -0700) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> * Subject: Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumphB Message-ID: <1161282035.121472.247940@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>  
 Sharon wrote: I > Just got an email about a successful project completion at work and had Q > to share.  If you all remember, we do 911 Dispatching software on Vax and Alpha L > platforms.  We've had a team working on a Vax to Alpha upgrade for a LARGEQ > customer over the past year or two.  This one happened to be the version of our O > software written entirely in Macro - the oldest system still in use, I think. F > 	They went live on Tuesday.  Total downtime to the users to swap theM > hardware out from under the Macro system:  4 minutes.  No serious problems,  > only a few cosmetic ones. E > 	I'm not in a position to publicize this, but I think HP should use . > stories like this to laude *their* products. >  >  - Sharon $ > "Gravity...  is a harsh mistress!"   Sharon,    Amen.   C This is the type of story that is so unlike other environments that C people have a hard time accepting it. But it has been done time and  time again.   ) It truly affects the bottom line numbers.   $ - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 13:31:42 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph3 Message-ID: <Svk9N+MrCIdH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <asqrReptG1x2@eisner.encompasserve.org>, frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon) writes: K > 	Just got an email about a successful project completion at work and had  R > to share.  If you all remember, we do 911 Dispatching software on Vax and Alpha M > platforms.  We've had a team working on a Vax to Alpha upgrade for a LARGE  R > customer over the past year or two.  This one happened to be the version of our O > software written entirely in Macro - the oldest system still in use, I think.   D    Congrats to you and those you work for.  I guess there are no PHB	    there.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 12:37:41 -0700" From: "kczwei" <kaycee@kaycee.net>* Subject: Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumphB Message-ID: <1161286661.092758.192950@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  D Congratulations!!!  The world DOES need to hear about this more.  In7 fact our county administrators need to hear about this.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 15:42:51 -0500% From: frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon) * Subject: Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph3 Message-ID: <nl9YbesfnKE+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <Svk9N+MrCIdH@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: ] > In article <asqrReptG1x2@eisner.encompasserve.org>, frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon) writes: L >> 	Just got an email about a successful project completion at work and had S >> to share.  If you all remember, we do 911 Dispatching software on Vax and Alpha  N >> platforms.  We've had a team working on a Vax to Alpha upgrade for a LARGE S >> customer over the past year or two.  This one happened to be the version of our  P >> software written entirely in Macro - the oldest system still in use, I think. > F >    Congrats to you and those you work for.  I guess there are no PHB >    there.   H 	Oh there ARE, of course.  But also we have two product lines, mine and N the Windoze products.  When people ask me if I'm going to "upgrade" myself to 4 the new product line sometime, I laugh uproariously.  	  - Sharon " "Gravity...  is a harsh mistress!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:41:28 +0200 + From: "Michel HERRSCHER" <mhc@herrscher.fr> * Subject: Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph. Message-ID: <eh8o6a$27cs$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Dans un message kczwei disait :   F > Congratulations!!!  The world DOES need to hear about this more.  In9 > fact our county administrators need to hear about this.    [Humour is not troll]    Well ,  K It do not merit any congratulations from the VMS part, as we ALL knew, and  I know that this OS let us "tired" before it creates any problems...  ;-)))   J Just BIG congatulations to YOUR Software. I suppose you respected all VMS 6 guidances... ;-)) and so get the best coupling tools..   [ end Humour not troll] K To HP management : remember well THAT THESE ARE THE WAY WE ALL ALWAYS WORK  # WITH VMS and THAT VMS ALWAYS WORKS.    Warm congratulations --   Michel HERRSCHER     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:20:58 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>   Subject: Re: DECconnect adapters: Message-ID: <wNOdnTadgr8MXKrYnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com>   Rich Jordan wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > ! >>johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote:  >> >> >>>Jack Patteeuw wrote:  >>>  >>> H >>>>I'm looking for a "reasonably priced" supplier of H8575-E DECconnectE >>>>adapters.  The HP online store says they are no longer available.  >>>  >>>  >>> J >>>Various places have them.  A Google search turns up a number of hits onJ >>>sites other than HP.  Digital Networks ( www.dnpg.com ) may.  StonewallC >>>Cable ( www.stonewallcable.com ) does.  P/N SC-9362-E  Currently E >>>$12.95ea  I've ordered a few things from them before and have been  >>>happy with the items. >>> H >>>They may be available on Ebay also.  A lot depends on your definitionI >>>of "reasonably priced" and on your "desperation level" - both of which  >>>are defined by you. >>>  >>>  John H. Reinhardt >>>  >>J >>One IS available now.  The price, however, does not seem "reasonable" to. >>  me; $71.99 with a shipping cost of $15.99. >>http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-H8571-E-MMJ-TO-DB25-PRINTER-ADAPTER-H8571E_W0QQitemZ120042636413QQihZ002QQcategoryZ162QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120042636413 >  > I > Oh, _that_ vendor.  I honestly wonder if they ever sell anything at the  > prices they ask. >   F Well, I wouldn't pay that price but my desperation level is quite low!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:11:48 +0800 ) From: Tim Sneddon <tesneddon@bigpond.com>   Subject: Re: DECconnect adapters9 Message-ID: <4537f936$0$19623$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>    Stanley F. Quayle wrote:; > The bad news: you can't buy MMJ sockets anywhere anymore.  >   ? They must be around somewhere. Telstra (Australian Telecom) use < them on the power supplies for a large number of their fixed line phones.  
 Regards, Tim.    --  = Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:01:22 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com>   Subject: Re: DECconnect adaptersI Message-ID: <8660a3a10610191701y67d87abbs759a3b1ba399a44c@mail.gmail.com>   < On 10/18/06, Jack Patteeuw <jack.patteeuw@nospam.net> wrote:F > I'm looking for a "reasonably priced" supplier of H8575-E DECconnectC > adapters.  The HP online store says they are no longer available.  >    You can always go to Black Box.    WWWebb --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 21:39:24 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>   Subject: Re: DECconnect adaptersA Message-ID: <1161319164.572597.3470@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Tim Sneddon wrote: > Stanley F. Quayle wrote:= > > The bad news: you can't buy MMJ sockets anywhere anymore.  > >  > A > They must be around somewhere. Telstra (Australian Telecom) use > > them on the power supplies for a large number of their fixed > line phones. >  > Regards, Tim.  >  > --? > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com   < You probably have to be a big user and order directly from aA manufacturer.  The companies selling new cables certainly must be C getting them from somewhere.  You just can't get "small" quantities  like 100's from anyone.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:57:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   Subject: Re: DECconnect adapters+ Message-ID: <45385723.30BFF41@teksavvy.com>   ! "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote: > ufacturer.  The companies selling new cables certainly must beE > getting them from somewhere.  You just can't get "small" quantities  > like 100's from anyone.   > BLACK BOX still sellls lots of "legacy" cables and connectors.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:08:14 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP symbol or logical ?, Message-ID: <45382175.DB9AFB19@teksavvy.com>  B http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83final/decwindows/DWINDOWS_MGMT.PDF   Rudolf Wingert wrote: H > there is a documentation about the logicals and  symbols. The name is:J > "Managing DECwindows Motif for OpenVMS Systems". AFAIK, this guide would5 > never updated and is a little bit old (from 1994).    B http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83final/decwindows/DWINDOWS_MGMT.PDF  E Has been updated (July 2006).  Since it lacks modern bookmarks, it is H harder to find the revant sections. But I did find one section and thereG was mention that some of the stuff is done through logicals if it isn't C a parameter supported by decwindows but supported by the device (at G which point you need a logical since the DCL code won't be checking for 
 that symbol).     L > P.S. IMHO, you should read the "Release Notes". They will inform you about+ > the Radeon specific logicals and symbols.   @ Well, I did a google search and found an official HP document onF installing the Radeao 7500 card on VMS (URL on my initial message) and= that one said one needs to use define/system/exec for all the  parameters, and that is wrong.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:12:04 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP symbol or logical ?, Message-ID: <4538225A.921A6B33@teksavvy.com>  ! "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote:  > > did you see this posting   yeah thanks.  a > > $!DECW$SERVER_EXTENSIONS=="Adobe-DPS-Extension,Xie,DEC-XTRAP,Multi-Buffering,D2DX-Extensions" L > > $DECW$SERVER_EXTENSIONS=="Xie,DEC-XTRAP,Multi-Buffering,D2DX-Extensions"  S Note that the documentation says that the keyword is "D2DX" for the D2DX Extension.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 21:36:39 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> : Subject: Re: DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP symbol or logical ?A Message-ID: <1161318999.758475.48090@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote: # > "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote:  > > > did you see this posting >  > yeah thanks. > c > > > $!DECW$SERVER_EXTENSIONS=="Adobe-DPS-Extension,Xie,DEC-XTRAP,Multi-Buffering,D2DX-Extensions" N > > > $DECW$SERVER_EXTENSIONS=="Xie,DEC-XTRAP,Multi-Buffering,D2DX-Extensions" > U > Note that the documentation says that the keyword is "D2DX" for the D2DX Extension.   % Actually Eberhard Heuser sent that...    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:37:13 +0200 # From: "H Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de> - Subject: Digital Server 5305 hardware problem 5 Message-ID: <eh8uig$2r29$1@registered.motzarella.org>   L I have a spare Digital Server 5305. It didn't have memory nor cpu's or otherL peripherals. Just the main board, empty memory riser boards and a floppy andI CDrom. BTW the 5305 is *very* similar to an Alpha Server 1200. Its box is  white, not blue.L I powered it up and after about a minute it powered itself off. Assumed thatL had to do owing to not having cpu's nor memory so I bought two similar 5/4007 boards and 192 MB memory (three pairs). Same behaviour.   . 1) the display is dead, does not show anything2 2) the IOD1 led on the main board does not turn on  / Ansy ideas what might be wrong with the system?   
 Hans Vlems   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:20:10 -0600 # From: Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org>  Subject: Re: FTP fails to start 5 Message-ID: <4537c1dc$0$3575$815e3792@news.qwest.net>    David D Miller wrote: > > I love this group.  I learn something new every time I post. > J > Here are the results of this experiment -- I'm not sure how to interpret > them though. > J > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote on 10/18/2006 01:45:20 PM: >  >  >>David D Miller wrote:  >>F >>>DIRECT-F-OPENIN, error opening APOLLO"TCPIP$FTP password"::*.*;* as >  > input  > E >>>I realize your comments apply to that as command as well.  Now I'm  >  > trying > 1 >>>to track down what I presume is a UAF problem.  >> >>Another thing to try:  >> >>$MC SYSMAN, >>SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE=APOLLO/USER=TCPIP$FTP >>Password: xxxxxx >  >  > current command environment  > Node: APOLLO > Username: TCPIP$FTP  >  > $ >>SYSMAN> DO SHOW LOG SYS$LOGIN/FULL >  > 2 > SYSMAN-I-OUTUT, command execution on node APOLLO1 > -SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name  > 5 > in fact DO SHOW LOG /JOB produced the same message.  > K > DO SHO LOG /PROCESS showed SYS$INPUT, SYS$OUTPUT, etc. pointing to MBAxxx D This may be because of sysman, where you have to set environment to  directories etc  > H > Curiously, DO DIR displayed my (DMILLER's) directory, not TCPIP$FTP's. > That seems wrong.  This is probably the key  . On the system where FTP does not start do this   $ set def sys$system $ mc authorize UAF> sho tcpip$ftp         It SHOULD look like this      < Username: TCPIP$FTP                        Owner:  TCPIP$FTP< Account:  TCPIP                            UIC:    [3655,6]  ([TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$FT P]) < CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES# Default:  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP]  LGICMD:   LOGIN  Flags:  Restricted# Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri + Secondary days:                     Sat Sun F Primary   000000000011111111112222  Secondary 000000000011111111112222F Day Hours 012345678901234567890123  Day Hours 012345678901234567890123F Network:  ##### Full access ######            ##### Full access ######F Batch:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------F Local:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------F Dialup:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------F Remote:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------D Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  6   Login Fails:     0> Pwdlifetime:         90 00:00    Pwdchange:      (pre-expired)? Last Login:            (none) (interactive),  8-OCT-2006 23:22   (non-interactive) 9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:      1024  Bytlm:       400000 9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0 9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       400  JTquota:       4096 9 Prclm:           8  DIOlm:      1024  WSdef:          350 9 Prio:            8  ASTlm:      2448  WSquo:        20000 9 Queprio:         4  TQElm:        20  WSextent:     20000 9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      3000  Pgflquo:      20000  Authorized Privileges:    NETMBX       TMPMBX Default Privileges:     NETMBX       TMPMBX   >  > I >>And see what it says. (likely going to be the same as the decnet error, I >>but if this is donw through SMI, it might behave slightly differently).  >  > 1 > So, we are getting somewhere -- not sure where.  > K > I checked SYLOGIN.COM to see if any strange code at MODE_NETWORK: slipped ( > in.  Nothing there though.  Just EXIT. >  > More suggestions, please.  >  > dave.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:30:12 -0600 # From: Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org>  Subject: Re: FTP fails to start * Message-ID: <4537C434.6050408@mehlhop.org>   Jim Mehlhop wrote:   >>I >> Curiously, DO DIR displayed my (DMILLER's) directory, not TCPIP$FTP's.  >> That seems wrong. >  > This is probably the key > 0 > On the system where FTP does not start do this >  > $ set def sys$system > $ mc authorize > UAF> sho tcpip$ftp >  >  >  >  > It SHOULD look like this >  >  > > > Username: TCPIP$FTP                        Owner:  TCPIP$FTP> > Account:  TCPIP                            UIC:    [3655,6]  > ([TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$FT > P]) > > CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES% > Default:  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP]  > LGICMD:   LOGIN  > Flags:  Restricted% > Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri - > Secondary days:                     Sat Sun H > Primary   000000000011111111112222  Secondary 000000000011111111112222H > Day Hours 012345678901234567890123  Day Hours 012345678901234567890123H > Network:  ##### Full access ######            ##### Full access ######H > Batch:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------H > Local:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------H > Dialup:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------H > Remote:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------F > Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  6   Login Fails:     0@ > Pwdlifetime:         90 00:00    Pwdchange:      (pre-expired)A > Last Login:            (none) (interactive),  8-OCT-2006 23:22   > (non-interactive) ; > Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:      1024  Bytlm:       400000 ; > Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0 ; > Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       400  JTquota:       4096 ; > Prclm:           8  DIOlm:      1024  WSdef:          350 ; > Prio:            8  ASTlm:      2448  WSquo:        20000 ; > Queprio:         4  TQElm:        20  WSextent:     20000 ; > CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      3000  Pgflquo:      20000  > Authorized Privileges: >   NETMBX       TMPMBX  > Default Privileges:  >   NETMBX       TMPMBX  > < Also check the correct directory for existence and ownership  - $ dir SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]TCPIP$FTP.dir/sec     Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]  D TCPIP$FTP.DIR;1      [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$FTP]            (RWE,RWE,RE,E)   Total of 1 file.   and   # $ dir SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP]/sec   # Directory SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP]   G LOGIN.COM;1          [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$FTP]            (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)  TCPIP$FTP_RUN.LOG;213 F                       [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$FTP]            (RWED,RWED,RE,) TCPIP$FTP_RUN.LOG;212 F                       [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$FTP]            (RWED,RWED,RE,) TCPIP$FTP_RUN.LOG;211 F                       [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$FTP]            (RWED,RWED,RE,) TCPIP$FTP_RUN.LOG;210 F                       [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$FTP]            (RWED,RWED,RE,) TCPIP$FTP_RUN.LOG;209 F                       [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$FTP]            (RWED,RWED,RE,) TCPIP$FTP_RUN.LOG;207 F                       [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$FTP]            (RWED,RWED,RE,)   Total of 7 files.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:13:14 -0700 , From: David D Miller <ddmiller@raytheon.com> Subject: Re: FTP fails to start V Message-ID: <OF96056CAA.A5E73434-ON0725720C.006E3CEB-0725720C.006F05EE@mck.us.ray.com>  I Thanks for the detailed listing.  My quotas differ as indicated below.  I D don't think I mentioned I'm working on an EV 45 (Alpha) so maybe theK differences are Alpha related -- or maybe because my TCPIP is very old (ver  5-1)  > Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org> wrote on 10/19/2006 11:20:10 AM:   > David D Miller wrote: @ > > I love this group.  I learn something new every time I post. > > B > > Here are the results of this experiment -- I'm not sure how to	 interpret  > > them though. > > H > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote on 10/18/2006 01:45:20 PM:  > >  > >  > >>David D Miller wrote:  > >>H > >>>DIRECT-F-OPENIN, error opening APOLLO"TCPIP$FTP password"::*.*;* as > > 	 > > input  > > G > >>>I realize your comments apply to that as command as well.  Now I'm  > > 
 > > trying > > 3 > >>>to track down what I presume is a UAF problem.  > >> > >>Another thing to try:  > >> > >>$MC SYSMAN. > >>SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE=APOLLO/USER=TCPIP$FTP > >>Password: xxxxxx > >  > >  > > current command environment  > > Node: APOLLO > > Username: TCPIP$FTP  > >  > > & > >>SYSMAN> DO SHOW LOG SYS$LOGIN/FULL > >  > > 4 > > SYSMAN-I-OUTUT, command execution on node APOLLO3 > > -SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name  > > 7 > > in fact DO SHOW LOG /JOB produced the same message.  > > F > > DO SHO LOG /PROCESS showed SYS$INPUT, SYS$OUTPUT, etc. pointing to MBAxxxE > This may be because of sysman, where you have to set environment to  > directories etc  > > J > > Curiously, DO DIR displayed my (DMILLER's) directory, not TCPIP$FTP's. > > That seems wrong.  > This is probably the key > 0 > On the system where FTP does not start do this >  > $ set def sys$system > $ mc authorize > UAF> sho tcpip$ftp >  >  >  >  > It SHOULD look like this >  >  > > > Username: TCPIP$FTP                        Owner:  TCPIP$FTP= > Account:  TCPIP                            UIC:    [3655,6]  > ([TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$FT > P]) > > CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES% > Default:  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP]  > LGICMD:   LOGIN  > Flags:  Restricted% > Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri - > Secondary days:                     Sat Sun H > Primary   000000000011111111112222  Secondary 000000000011111111112222H > Day Hours 012345678901234567890123  Day Hours 012345678901234567890123H > Network:  ##### Full access ######            ##### Full access ######H > Batch:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------H > Local:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------H > Dialup:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------H > Remote:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------F > Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  6   Login Fails:     0@ > Pwdlifetime:         90 00:00    Pwdchange:      (pre-expired)@ > Last Login:            (none) (interactive),  8-OCT-2006 23:22 > (non-interactive)   K I've shown the quotas on my system where they differ. Do you think I should  change them all to match yours?   ; > Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:      1024  Bytlm:       400000 ; APOLLO:                             50               108000 ; > Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0 ; > Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       400  JTquota:       4096 & APOLLO:                             96; > Prclm:           8  DIOlm:      1024  WSdef:          350 & APOLLO:                             96; > Prio:            8  ASTlm:      2448  WSquo:        20000 ; APOLLO:                            250                  512 ; > Queprio:         4  TQElm:        20  WSextent:     20000 ; APOLLO:                             15                  512 ; > CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      3000  Pgflquo:      20000 ; APOLLO:                            100                10240    > Authorized Privileges: >    NETMBX       TMPMBX > Default Privileges:  >    NETMBX       TMPMBX >  > >  > > K > >>And see what it says. (likely going to be the same as the decnet error, K > >>but if this is donw through SMI, it might behave slightly differently).  > >  > > 3 > > So, we are getting somewhere -- not sure where.  > > E > > I checked SYLOGIN.COM to see if any strange code at MODE_NETWORK:  slipped * > > in.  Nothing there though.  Just EXIT. > >  > > More suggestions, please.  > > 	 > > dave.  > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:38:14 -0600 # From: Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org>  Subject: Re: FTP fails to start * Message-ID: <4537E236.2000101@mehlhop.org>   David D Miller wrote: K > Thanks for the detailed listing.  My quotas differ as indicated below.  I F > don't think I mentioned I'm working on an EV 45 (Alpha) so maybe theM > differences are Alpha related -- or maybe because my TCPIP is very old (ver  > 5-1)  1 shouldn't affect what is happening at this point.    You said that when you did* SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE=APOLLO/USER=TCPIP$FTP Password: xxxxxx SYSMAN> dir   2 You got a listing of YOUR directory not tcpip$ftp?  + And the sysuaf record DID have [tcpip$ftp]?   C If that is the case then SOMETHING has to be doing a $ set default  ? somewhere in sylogin or the TCPIP$FTP login command procedures.       - See below for what you should see from sysman    $ mc sysman ( SYSMAN> set env/node=class3/user=jimtest Remote Password:+ %SYSMAN-I-ENV, current command environment: !          Individual nodes: CLASS3 2          At least one node is not in local cluster8          Username JIMTEST will be used on nonlocal nodes SYSMAN> do  sho log/proc2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node CLASS3 (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)     "SYS$COMMAND" = "_MBA382:"     "SYS$DISK" = "STUDENT_DISK:"     "SYS$ERROR" = "_NLA0:"     "SYS$INPUT" = "_MBA382:" $    "SYS$OUTPUT" [super] = "_MBA381:"!    "SYS$OUTPUT" [exec] = "_NLA0:"     "TT" = "_MBA382:" SYSMAN> do  sho log/job 2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node CLASS3 (LNM$JOB_82266D00)2    "GS_DOC" = "STAFF_DISK:[UTILITIES.GS-6_01.DOC]"2    "GS_LIB" = "STAFF_DISK:[UTILITIES.GS-6_01.LIB]" SYSMAN> do sho def2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node CLASS3    STUDENT_DISK:[JIMTEST]   F As you can see there is no sys$login BUT the default directory is the % correct one for the account on class3    Jim      > @ > Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org> wrote on 10/19/2006 11:20:10 AM: >  >  >>David D Miller wrote:  >>? >>>I love this group.  I learn something new every time I post.  >>> A >>>Here are the results of this experiment -- I'm not sure how to  >  > interpret  >  >>>them though.  >>> G >>>JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote on 10/18/2006 01:45:20  >  > PM:  >  >>>  >>>>David D Miller wrote:  >>>> >>>>H >>>>>DIRECT-F-OPENIN, error opening APOLLO"TCPIP$FTP password"::*.*;* as >>>  >>>input >>>  >>> G >>>>>I realize your comments apply to that as command as well.  Now I'm  >>> 	 >>>trying  >>>  >>> 3 >>>>>to track down what I presume is a UAF problem.  >>>> >>>>Another thing to try:  >>>> >>>>$MC SYSMAN. >>>>SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE=APOLLO/USER=TCPIP$FTP >>>>Password: xxxxxx >>>  >>>  >>>current command environment >>>Node: APOLLO  >>>Username: TCPIP$FTP >>>  >>>  >>> & >>>>SYSMAN> DO SHOW LOG SYS$LOGIN/FULL >>>  >>> 3 >>>SYSMAN-I-OUTUT, command execution on node APOLLO 2 >>>-SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name >>> 6 >>>in fact DO SHOW LOG /JOB produced the same message. >>> E >>>DO SHO LOG /PROCESS showed SYS$INPUT, SYS$OUTPUT, etc. pointing to  >  > MBAxxx > E >>This may be because of sysman, where you have to set environment to  >>directories etc  >>I >>>Curiously, DO DIR displayed my (DMILLER's) directory, not TCPIP$FTP's.  >>>That seems wrong. >> >>This is probably the key >>0 >>On the system where FTP does not start do this >> >>$ set def sys$system >>$ mc authorize >>UAF> sho tcpip$ftp >> >> >> >> >>It SHOULD look like this >> >> >>> >>Username: TCPIP$FTP                        Owner:  TCPIP$FTP= >>Account:  TCPIP                            UIC:    [3655,6]  >>([TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$FT >>P]) > >>CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES% >>Default:  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP]  >>LGICMD:   LOGIN  >>Flags:  Restricted% >>Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri - >>Secondary days:                     Sat Sun H >>Primary   000000000011111111112222  Secondary 000000000011111111112222H >>Day Hours 012345678901234567890123  Day Hours 012345678901234567890123H >>Network:  ##### Full access ######            ##### Full access ######H >>Batch:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------H >>Local:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------H >>Dialup:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------H >>Remote:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------F >>Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  6   Login Fails:     0@ >>Pwdlifetime:         90 00:00    Pwdchange:      (pre-expired)@ >>Last Login:            (none) (interactive),  8-OCT-2006 23:22 >>(non-interactive)  >  > M > I've shown the quotas on my system where they differ. Do you think I should ! > change them all to match yours?  >  > ; >>Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:      1024  Bytlm:       400000  > = > APOLLO:                             50               108000  > ; >>Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0 ; >>Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       400  JTquota:       4096  > ( > APOLLO:                             96 > ; >>Prclm:           8  DIOlm:      1024  WSdef:          350  > ( > APOLLO:                             96 > ; >>Prio:            8  ASTlm:      2448  WSquo:        20000  > = > APOLLO:                            250                  512  > ; >>Queprio:         4  TQElm:        20  WSextent:     20000  > = > APOLLO:                             15                  512  > ; >>CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      3000  Pgflquo:      20000  > = > APOLLO:                            100                10240  >  >  >>Authorized Privileges: >>   NETMBX       TMPMBX >>Default Privileges:  >>   NETMBX       TMPMBX >> >> >>> K >>>>And see what it says. (likely going to be the same as the decnet error, K >>>>but if this is donw through SMI, it might behave slightly differently).  >>>  >>> 2 >>>So, we are getting somewhere -- not sure where. >>> D >>>I checked SYLOGIN.COM to see if any strange code at MODE_NETWORK: > 	 > slipped  > ) >>>in.  Nothing there though.  Just EXIT.  >>>  >>>More suggestions, please. >>>  >>>dave. >>>  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:42:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: FTP fails to start , Message-ID: <4538297D.86EE08B6@teksavvy.com>   David D Miller wrote:  > current command environment  > Node: APOLLO > Username: TCPIP$FTP  > & > > SYSMAN> DO SHOW LOG SYS$LOGIN/FULL > 2 > SYSMAN-I-OUTUT, command execution on node APOLLO1 > -SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name   G On my system, trying this for a test unprivileged account tells me that H the target account needs OPER. (And this need not be default priovilege,G just authorised ones, because I can do this on an acocunt that has open D , sysprv, world as authorised privs and sysman DO command work fine.  H > Curiously, DO DIR displayed my (DMILLER's) directory, not TCPIP$FTP's. > That seems wrong.    Yep, that seems very wrong.   G The TCPIP$FTP account has the "restricted" flag, so perhaps this has an C impact, but it shouldn't result in your own directory being listed.    > More suggestions, please.   F $! The following DEASSIGNs are to undo any practical jokes someone may have played on you.    $DEASSIGN/PROC SYSUAF  $DEASSIGN/JOB SYSUAF $DEASSIGN/PROC/EXEC SYSUAF $DEASSIGN/JOB/EXEC SYSUAF    $SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM 
 $MC AUTHORIZE E UAF> MOD TCPIP$FTP/PASSWORD=xyzzyplugh /FLAG=NORESTRICT /NOPWDEXPIRED 	 UAF> EXIT    SET HOST 0 /log=FTPBUG.LOG   Username: TCPIP$FTP  Password: xyzzyPlugh  < If you get to a $ sign without any errors, you need to then:  
 $SHOW DEFAULT 
 $SHOW LOG/JOB  $SHOW LOG/PROCESS  $DIR   $LOGOUT   E You then return to your previous session. And you have the results in G the file FTPBUG.LOG which you should be able to poste here (making sure D the password is changed/removed in the file you poste publically :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:41:42 -0400 3 From: "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> - Subject: Fw: Running a news server on OpenVMS 6 Message-ID: <02ea01c6f3f9$a8f4ce60$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>  C > I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server.  I am  >...  + You could also look at Ruslan's software at L  http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~Laishev/nntp/, I started trying to install it aJ  few months back but I needed to install MADGoat's NetLib first and I lostG  interest before I got around to it so I could not tell you how well it   works.   
  Peter Weaver   www.weaverconsulting.ca9  CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:25:29 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L, Message-ID: <4538338B.668C1E25@teksavvy.com>   BTW,  F On my system, when the system is at the >>> prompt. the VGA display isF all blue with the cursor at the top left. The LCD display reports that! the display is set to 720 * 400,   Horizontal refresh of 31.5 kHz,  Vertical refresh of 70.1 Hz     0 The background is window's BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH.  G Is there some secret undocumented DS10L SRM environment variable to set ? the background to a different colour ? I don't like Microsoft's % proprietary shade of blue :-( :-( :-(     , --------------------------------------------, OK, I don't yet have a keyboard (long story)  H Now, I have SET CONSOLE GRAPHICS at the >>> prompt (and included this in the NVRAM script.   H But this doesn't seem to make a difference as all console activity still@ happens via the serial port. I assume this is because of lack of keyboard overrides everything ?     B When VMS boots, X has no problem starting and displaying the loginF screen. However, the MOUSE which is connected does not move nor do anyH of its buttons work. (the mouse seems to be an optical one and I can see; the red laights under it, indicating it is getting power).    < Does the lack of keyboard automatically disable the mouse ?   0 ------------------------------------------------  G Is there a way to get the system to use the serial port as "keyboard" ? G Even though I may not have the full function of keystroke combinations, 4 it might give me enough functionality to start with.  C (akaL: vaxstation's keyboard would be used on a SET HOST/DTE to the . ALPHA's serial port to send input characters).   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:16:32 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L2 Message-ID: <06101922163275_2020028F@antinode.org>  - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   . > OK, I don't yet have a keyboard (long story) > J > Now, I have SET CONSOLE GRAPHICS at the >>> prompt (and included this in > the NVRAM script.  > J > But this doesn't seem to make a difference as all console activity stillB > happens via the serial port. I assume this is because of lack of! > keyboard overrides everything ?   B    What would you do at the console prompt with no keyboard, if it didn't use the serial port?   D > When VMS boots, X has no problem starting and displaying the loginH > screen. However, the MOUSE which is connected does not move nor do anyJ > of its buttons work. (the mouse seems to be an optical one and I can see= > the red laights under it, indicating it is getting power).   > > > Does the lack of keyboard automatically disable the mouse ?   D    Seems likely.  And what would you do at the user name prompt with0 only a mouse?  This isn't a Macintosh, you know.  I > Is there a way to get the system to use the serial port as "keyboard" ? I > Even though I may not have the full function of keystroke combinations, 6 > it might give me enough functionality to start with.  +    Why would a sane person wish to do this?   E > (akaL: vaxstation's keyboard would be used on a SET HOST/DTE to the 0 > ALPHA's serial port to send input characters).  $    "akaL" = "also known as Lunatic"?  H    Don't you have any kind of PS2 keyboard?  Check your neighbors' trashE bins.  It would be at least as productive a way to spend your time as  what you seem to be doing now.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 21:34:08 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10LB Message-ID: <1161318848.057829.87930@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > . > --------------------------------------------. > OK, I don't yet have a keyboard (long story)  D You have no PS/2 keyboard at all?  Nearly any will work (I think allB will but I'm hedging).  You may not have the "normal" VMS extendedB function keys but at least you can do SOMETHING with your system'sC graphics console.  I don't know what you have up there in the Great A White North but here in Cincinnati you can pick up a cheapie PS/2 E keyboard at MicroCenter for $9.95 plus tax.  Or free if you happen to % know somebody in the repairs section.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:56:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L+ Message-ID: <453856D7.B407F2C@teksavvy.com>   ! "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote: $ > You have no PS/2 keyboard at all?      NO.   L Plenty of LK201s, and some MAC  ADB keyboards as well as a MAC USB keyboard.  A Had the folks I ordered the keyboard from shipped it the day they ( invoiced me, this would not be an issue.  C Until I can fully switch over to the Alpha, I must run my decwidows C terminals on the Vaxstation 3100 and target all DECW$DISPLAYs to it  including the Alpha's.  D If I could patch the alpha to have some virtual keyboard, I could atC least start to set it up and customise it so that when I do get the D keyboard, I can switch to it right away with minimal inconveniences.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:30:18 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability , Message-ID: <45385ED0.24DB4CA8@teksavvy.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > R > Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS and related- > professional services, support and related.     & Happy last day at Digital/Compaq/HP.    E Remember that your boss will be watching you when you leave to ensure ' you don't steal any  paperclips :-) :-)      Good luck at hoffmanlabs !!!!    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:15:48 GMT ! From: martyn <martyn@nowhere.man>  Subject: Re: How to redirect? 6 Message-ID: <E9QZg.6628$9K1.3648@newsfe3-win.ntli.net>   Rohan wrote:I > How we can redirect console output to a file in OpenVMS? Something like  > '>' in Unix? > 	 > Thanks,  > Rohan  >   J are you looking to issue a command and have the output go to a file, like:   # ls > file.lis   D if so then a lot of VMS commands have a /output qualifier, e.g. the # equivalend of the above would be :-    $ directory /output=file.lis  F see help for the individual command to see if it supports /output. If  not then you can do   ! $ define/user sys$output file.lis  $ directory    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:12:35 -0700( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> Subject: Re: In a box solutions C Message-ID: <1161281555.896108.120000@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   
 Andrew wrote:  > D > HP provide something like a pre-configured cluster for Windows and > Linux using their DL series. >     G Thats 'preconfigured "~cluster" (nudge nudge wink wink)' in comparison.   B Vms shared is VMS doubled.  Windows shared is just windows trouble doubled.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:19:35 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: In a box solutions , Message-ID: <4538241D.45699D2F@teksavvy.com>   Rich Jordan wrote:E >      there's a world of difference.  Remember the timeframe; Compaq H > takeover, apparently a CEO who "got it" about Alpha, and maybe VMS (atD > least until the windows-beancounter thugocracy sacked him), and an- > actual ADVERTISEMENT mentioning VMS.  Wow!    G The ads with the fuel pumps showing the word "VMS" along with the other E operating syustems (VMS was in forefront) whose goal was to show that E Compaq would serve the full set of "fuels", had been done By Compaq's F orginal ad agency. They clearly did their research when you look attheF fact that they justified using the real "VMS"  instead of the despited@ "affinity" "openVMS" that had been setup by the despised Palmer.  G Once Compaq started to integrate Digital, guess what happened ? Some of H the Digital marketing folks got some power, threw away Compaq'sad agencyE and gave a contract to DEC's old ad agency. The word "VMS"  was never 5 seen again, and Compaq started its downward tailspin.   H Clearly, Compaq top management/board fired the wrong people and kept the7 very people that had been responsible for DEC's demise.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 12:47:57 -0700 From: twnews@kittles.comE Subject: Re: Keeping telnet session alive between tcpip connections ? B Message-ID: <1161287277.637616.237390@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote:  > Hi. : > I got this question from a customer and rtfm'ing haven't1 > given me a good answer so far. So here we go...  > = > The customer is looking at some type of portable, wire-less > > terminals using normal ip/telnet session to connect to a VMS> > system. Now, the terminal shuts down after a timeout to save; > battery power, including the wire-less network interface. 8 > And of course (I'd say) the telnet session is remooved0 > together with the intercative process and all. > > > The seller of the portable terminal says that *other* telnet: > servers (on *other* OS'es) has some "setting" that keeps< > the telnet-session "up" until the same IP-address connects= > again, and then just re-connect to the same telnet session. 2 > Probably using some timeouts also, but anyway... > 7 > Now, I've not been able to find some setting in TCPIP 5 > Services that would give the same kind of function.  > ! > Would this be possible at all ?  > 6 > The portable terminal does a standard telnet connect4 > and the user logs in at the usual Username prompt. > F I could be wrong, but this sounds like a TCP KEEPALIVE issue.  I don'tE have time (and possibly expertise) to go into more detail, but if you G Google "TCP VMS keepalive" you will get some pointers to the online VMS E document set that may be a good starting point.  The downside of this D (if I am even right in the first place) is that this is a global TCPF setting.  It changes for all Telnet clients, not just the ones you are after.  
 Good Luck.   Thomas Wirt  Operations Manager Kittle's Home Furnishings    > Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 13:11:28 -0700  From: "Mike" <mlpoole@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Netiquette faux pasC Message-ID: <1161288688.346027.161360@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Thank you all very much!     Martin Vorlaender wrote:! > Mike <mlpoole@gmail.com> wrote: D > > 1 - What do most of you hobbyists do with your VMS systems?  Web > > servers, programming, etc? > I > I do programming with mine, but as soon as I switch from ISDN to DSL, I 1 > intend to set up a web/ftp/mail server as well.  > K > > 2 - I have a hobbyist license through Encompass.  Is that only good for $ > > 7.1 or can I get 7.3_2 or 8.2/3? >  > Ian answered that already. >  > cu, 
 >   Martin > --@ >                        |  Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3 >   OpenVMS: When you    |  work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F >   KNOW where you want  |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/: >   to go today.         |  home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:37:28 -0400 9 From: Villy <Villy.2fy3kc@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au>   Subject: Re: OpenVMS over VMWare9 Message-ID: <Villy.2fy3kc@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au>   ? The toasty warmness can be eleviated by throttling the emualted E processor.  This is possible with at least one of the Charon versions G by a patch to the SimH emulator.  See my posting on throttling the Simh  Vax emulator     Villy      --   Villy H ------------------------------------------------------------------------> Villy's Profile: http://techiegroups.com/member.php?userid=528E View this thread: http://www.techiegroups.com/showthread.php?t=119046    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:15:50 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS over VMWare8 Message-ID: <4537C0D6.523.8C3B79@squayle.insight.rr.com>  . On 19 Oct 2006 at 9:37, Stephen Hoffman wrote:A > You may well be able to run OpenVMS on an emulator on a virtual F > machine, which would conceivably allow you to boot OpenVMS on x86-64H > or whatever the emulator requires.  If you want to try this, SIMH fromE > Trailing Edge or CHARON-VAX or CHARON-AXP from SRI would be obvious  > choices for the emulator.   B CHARON-VAX and CHARON-Alpha explicitly block running on a virtual A machine.  Otherwise, a sufficiently adept Windows guru could run  ' multiple systems, but only pay for one.   F Besides, the virtual Winbox is always slower than the actual system.   Why throw away performance? 
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA < stan-at-stanq-dot-com   http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:27:59 -0400  From: dmp <dmp@dmp.com>   Subject: Re: OpenVMS over VMWare; Message-ID: <_vqdndglHsrcqaXYnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@adelphia.com>   + Thanks all for the discussion and insights.  Hummm......  LINUX -> VMWare -> SIMH -> VMS   Should be pretty slick, eh?   
 Thanks again!     
 dmp wrote:H > I have been fooling around with VMWare server lately and am running a K > Linux base with WinXP, Win2k, and Fedora Core 5 virtual machines. So, my  I > question is this: Has anyone out there run VMS virtualized, and if so,  ) > what issues/problems did you encounter?  > Thanks > dmp    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 12:19:55 -0700" From: "kczwei" <kaycee@kaycee.net>% Subject: Re: Question about terminals B Message-ID: <1161285595.890480.67350@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  K > >>    We once used a VT200 emulator built in a laptop style box with a PC H > >>    style keypad and LCD monchrome screen, due to space constraints. > > G > > Just a word of warning: Laptops are generally not designed for 7/24 < > > operation and will prematurely fail due to heat buildup. > H >    The box we used wasn't actually a laptop (no M$ inside), and didn't+ >    warm up.  I don't recall who built it.   G I still have one.  It is called Random Colleague.  It is a VERY good VT D terminal with a built in modem.  i had a few of these for working onG the road.  I'll have to get one out of the basement or attic and see if E it still works.  It would make a great console for our multiple VAX / 8 ALPHA / ITANIUM's.   They must be about 17-20 years old.  F I remember I used to carry around RJ12 crimping tool and wall jacks soE I could modify hotels that hardwired their phones.  Then I could plug C in this VT laptop.  When I left I plugged their phone back into the > jack....i didn't even charge them for upgrading their rooms!!!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:55:12 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> % Subject: Re: Question about terminals : Message-ID: <pJ6dnW9R6LU6SqrYnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com>  
 kczwei wrote:   J >>>>   We once used a VT200 emulator built in a laptop style box with a PCG >>>>   style keypad and LCD monchrome screen, due to space constraints.  >>> F >>>Just a word of warning: Laptops are generally not designed for 7/24; >>>operation and will prematurely fail due to heat buildup.  >>H >>   The box we used wasn't actually a laptop (no M$ inside), and didn't+ >>   warm up.  I don't recall who built it.  >  > I > I still have one.  It is called Random Colleague.  It is a VERY good VT F > terminal with a built in modem.  i had a few of these for working onI > the road.  I'll have to get one out of the basement or attic and see if G > it still works.  It would make a great console for our multiple VAX / : > ALPHA / ITANIUM's.   They must be about 17-20 years old. > H > I remember I used to carry around RJ12 crimping tool and wall jacks soG > I could modify hotels that hardwired their phones.  Then I could plug E > in this VT laptop.  When I left I plugged their phone back into the @ > jack....i didn't even charge them for upgrading their rooms!!! >   D The hotels may not have apreciated your generosity, particularly if = customers started unplugging the phones and taking them home!    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Oct 2006 19:17:57 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com % Subject: Re: Question about terminals , Message-ID: <eh8j1501lka@enews1.newsguy.com>  ( Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:F > As for demand, I cannot know what some users require.  However, one G > issues I'd have is for other than a console, the terminal requires a  H > serial line, and that then requires terminal servers.  I'd think that K > being able to hook directly to the network would be desirable.  Possibly  M > having the functionality of a terminal server port imbeded in the terminal.   H I know this would make the product more interesting to me, as long as itI offered *proper* emulation of something like the VT420 (including support # for the fonts and charactersets).     F At the same time, we're starting to describe a thin-client more than a	 terminal.    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:45:39 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ' Subject: Re: R/C Plane with Video Servo < Message-ID: <4537f1c2$0$14847$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   OK so check out this one. 4 An RC controller airplane inside a school gymnasium. A true artist at the controls !   V http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=bee2a33b43f5b4de61cb0fdfb4983394.872669&fr=yvmtf   Neil     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:59:43 -0600 # From: Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org> ) Subject: Running a news server on OpenVMS 6 Message-ID: <4537e741$0$10304$815e3792@news.qwest.net>  B I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server.  I am I running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg and  E   about 60 GB of free disk space.  I could probably dedicate an 18GB   disk for this.  $ Is there any documentation for this?     Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:39:06 -0400 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>- Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS . Message-ID: <OMVZg.22609$2g4.10919@dukeread09>   Jim Mehlhop wrote:D > I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server.  I am K > running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg and  K >  about 60 GB of free disk space.  I could probably dedicate an 18GB disk   > for this.  > & > Is there any documentation for this?  - Running a NNTP server is a real disk trasher.   2 10 years ago the most used NNTP server for VMS was ANUNEWS.   You could try and find it.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:19:59 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> - Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-2F4B35.04195920102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  . In article <OMVZg.22609$2g4.10919@dukeread09>,%  Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:    > Jim Mehlhop wrote:F > > I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server.  I am M > > running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg and  M > >  about 60 GB of free disk space.  I could probably dedicate an 18GB disk  
 > > for this.  > > ( > > Is there any documentation for this? > / > Running a NNTP server is a real disk trasher.  > 4 > 10 years ago the most used NNTP server for VMS was
 > ANUNEWS. >  > You could try and find it. >  > Arne  4 There is a version of ANUNEWS on the Freeware 4 CDs.  7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware40/ANU-NEWS/    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:04:09 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: USB hampster , Message-ID: <453858B1.5E8DC107@teksavvy.com>  . Here is a new suport *requirement* for VMS....  E It is a USB interface which measures plant growing conditions (light,   humidity, soil composition etc).  d http://news.com.com/Sensor+battles+senseless+houseplant+death/2100-11395_3-6127648.html?tag=nefd.top  E This is done as a service where data collected is sent via web to the B vendor who then sends emails to the plant owner advising on how to? change the plant's environment to ensure the plant lives on ...   / VERY IMPORTANT STUFF FOR ENTERPRISE COMPUTING !   D (but re-enabling the USB on the DS10L machines still ranks as a much higher priority, of course) ;-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:36:26 GMT + From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= ? Subject: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. 2 Message-ID: <K5TZg.20396$E02.8096@newsb.telia.net>   Hi. > The "docs" that comes with the OSU web server kit has examplesC files for C, Java, Perl and I think also Fortran in the latest kit.   < Now, does anyone see any particular reason why one shouldn't, be able to use Cobol against the CGI API's ?  9 I'm evaluating adding a few simple web "statistics" pages 8 to an factory control system where the bulk of the logic4 in the applications are in Cobol using VT-interfaces7 (through a form management tool I've forgotted the name + of, but is was not FMS or TDMS at least...)   7 The plan is to keep the bulk program logic in Cobol but 7 create som html instead of writing to the VT-interface.   5 If the Cobol-way of doing thing isn't compatible with 7 the OSU CGI APi's, I guess one can write a few C-stubs,  right ?   
 Best Regards, 	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 16:23:10 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. C Message-ID: <1161300190.901251.299930@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   9 I do it with Dibol all the time ... but with Purveyor ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:21:18 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-16F988.01211820102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  2 In article <K5TZg.20396$E02.8096@newsb.telia.net>,9  Jan-Erik Sderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> wrote:    > Hi. @ > The "docs" that comes with the OSU web server kit has examplesE > files for C, Java, Perl and I think also Fortran in the latest kit.  > > > Now, does anyone see any particular reason why one shouldn't. > be able to use Cobol against the CGI API's ? > ; > I'm evaluating adding a few simple web "statistics" pages : > to an factory control system where the bulk of the logic6 > in the applications are in Cobol using VT-interfaces9 > (through a form management tool I've forgotted the name - > of, but is was not FMS or TDMS at least...)  > 9 > The plan is to keep the bulk program logic in Cobol but 9 > create som html instead of writing to the VT-interface.  > 7 > If the Cobol-way of doing thing isn't compatible with 9 > the OSU CGI APi's, I guess one can write a few C-stubs, 	 > right ?  >   ; COBOL should be fine. No need to write anything in C-stubs.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:37:15 -0400 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. . Message-ID: <3LVZg.22608$2g4.17803@dukeread09>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: @ > The "docs" that comes with the OSU web server kit has examplesE > files for C, Java, Perl and I think also Fortran in the latest kit.  > > > Now, does anyone see any particular reason why one shouldn't. > be able to use Cobol against the CGI API's ?  9 > The plan is to keep the bulk program logic in Cobol but 9 > create som html instead of writing to the VT-interface.  > 7 > If the Cobol-way of doing thing isn't compatible with 9 > the OSU CGI APi's, I guess one can write a few C-stubs, 	 > right ?   ! Any language should work for CGI.   9 BTW, the CGI standard was created to be language neutral.   7 You can either call an EXE written in COBOL directly or 8 use a wrapper. If you want wrapper, then I would suggest DCL.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 00:27:17 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. , Message-ID: <4538500F.A24B10AD@teksavvy.com>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: > > Now, does anyone see any particular reason why one shouldn't. > be able to use Cobol against the CGI API's ?  H Because COBOL isn't considered trendy/modern and many younger folks will laugh at you ?   :-)    F One way to interface with the OSU server is via decnet. Your COBOL appD gets a DECNET link , opend read write SYS$NET and you can then issueE commands to the OSU server to get the connection details (look at the @ bottom of WWWEXEC.COM for list of commands you can issue and the responses you can expect).  F Once the initial dialogue is done, you then send the contents one line
 at a time.  H One issue that is important to consider is of line terminators. The HTTPC system really wants to see CR/LF ends to the lines. There is a mode F where OSU will add those for you. But it is best if your COBOL app canF do that. (not sure about the COBOL run time handling of end of records$ when the output is a network device.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:37:38 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. 1 Message-ID: <eh9n41$skt$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi Jan-Erik,  L Just out of curiosity, what exactly are the advantages of using a web serverL in this case, as opposed to connecting to an INETd (or other) server on your VMS box via TCP/IP sockets?   / Security? No VPN and sick of waiting for IPsec?   I Don't like stateful, and context-rich, connection-oriented protocols that J map almost directly to what the existing Cobol programs are already doing?  J You think it's cutting edge technology that your CGI script can be cajoledL into not opening/closing it's files and creating a new process everytime for
 each request?   K You think it's a wonderful idea to shut down your server processes after an K arbitrary amount of time or requests (even at busy periods) just so you can & flush out those memory/resource leaks?  J Still, I marginally prefer this type of crap to JDBC, but am surprised why7 you haven't gone for that equally thoughtless approach?   F Maybe, in a perfect world we'd only need *one* TCP/IP port number 'cosL everyting else like Telnet, FTP and Mail and App1-to-n could be done throughJ a ubiquitous Web Server and a scripting language. What could possibly more4 optimal for performance, security and functionality?  J Given that, these days, no one gets paid for planning and designing stuff,E and as long as you can show the accountants a Web Page from a stealth A project knocked up in someone's lunch break, then we'll shove the I fencing-wire and insulating tape in later. *God forbid anyone from asking H for the ACID properties of a true two-phase commit!* But with bugger-allK support from anyone in HP/VMS who can blame you? - Bridgeworks my arse! How 5 much money have those self-serving crooks squandered?   J > Because COBOL isn't considered trendy/modern and many younger folks will > laugh at you ?   :-)  H And these same illumni look upon VMS with awe and respect? But I concedeL that COBOL is about as fashionable as doing the job correctly. But I guess IJ just never shared evryone else's pashion for failerd-pants, shoulder-pads,J tattoos, ear-rings and a shit-load of metal in my face! (Neither do I wear+ sandals or have a ponytail. Sorry Brian :-)    Regards Richard Maher   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:4538500F.A24B10AD@teksavvy.com... > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: @ > > Now, does anyone see any particular reason why one shouldn't0 > > be able to use Cobol against the CGI API's ? > J > Because COBOL isn't considered trendy/modern and many younger folks will > laugh at you ?   :-) >  > H > One way to interface with the OSU server is via decnet. Your COBOL appF > gets a DECNET link , opend read write SYS$NET and you can then issueG > commands to the OSU server to get the connection details (look at the B > bottom of WWWEXEC.COM for list of commands you can issue and the > responses you can expect). > H > Once the initial dialogue is done, you then send the contents one line > at a time. > J > One issue that is important to consider is of line terminators. The HTTPE > system really wants to see CR/LF ends to the lines. There is a mode H > where OSU will add those for you. But it is best if your COBOL app canH > do that. (not sure about the COBOL run time handling of end of records& > when the output is a network device.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:53:41 -0500 # From: Alex Zorrilla <apz@zxeng.com>  Subject: Re: Virtual VMS, Message-ID: <eh8s550245j@enews1.newsguy.com>   bclaremont wrote: F > As stated by others, you must install OpenVMS on top of the hardwareD > emulation software.  Once you have the emulator configuration fileG > right, installing VMS works just like the real VAX hardware.  Getting & > the configuration file right is key.  H That's right.  If you have a VAX that is already up and running, make a G backup of your VAX boot drive into a disk container file (created with  G LDDRIVER).  Copy this container file to your PC, giving it a name like  G "boot.vdisk".  Now reconfigure the CHARON-VAX demo to use "boot.vdisk"  G as your DUA0 drive.  Start CHARON-VAX, and it will be just like if you  2 had transfered your boot drive to a MicroVAX 3900.  F The SIMH emulator probably works pretty much the same way.  They both G emulate the hardware, but you have to give it the VMS operating system  . and software to get it what you want it to do.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2006 10:59:36 -0700 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net$ Subject: Re: VMS stuff available nowC Message-ID: <1161280776.875476.285030@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   > I will talk to the co-worker tonight. I was able to access it. Please keep me informed. phil Ian King wrote:  > Ian Miller wrote: + > > I can't see the VMS stuff at that site.  > > J > I had the same problem, and I tried both Firefox and IE.  There was justJ > a big blank in the middle of the page where the products should show up.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.576 ************************