1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 20 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 577       Contents: Re: AdvancedServer Installation  Re: Alpha serial numbers Re: Alpha serial numbers! Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph ! Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph  Backup on VMS v8.2-1 Re: Backup on VMS v8.2-1 Re: Backup on VMS v8.2-1! CDE or original Session Manager ? % Re: CDE or original Session Manager ? % Re: CDE or original Session Manager ? % Re: CDE or original Session Manager ? 1 Re: DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP symbol or logical ? ( Re: Digital Server 5305 hardware problem( Re: Digital Server 5305 hardware problem( Re: Digital Server 5305 hardware problem Re: FTP fails to start Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Netiquette faux pas " Re: OT: R/C Plane with Video Servo$ Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS$ Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS$ Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS$ Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS$ Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS$ Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS$ Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS$ Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS$ Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. Re: VMS stuff available now   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 07:08:18 -0700# From: "Bobby" <colemanr7@yahoo.com> ( Subject: Re: AdvancedServer InstallationB Message-ID: <1161353298.129203.33150@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  D Well... I underestimated the time required for NETLOGON to run... it9 takes more like a full minute for it to become available.    Bobby    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:19:34 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com ! Subject: Re: Alpha serial numbers 0 Message-ID: <87y7rb9wex.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>   "Ade" <Ade@nowhere.com> writes:   C > This is nothing sinister. We have recently relocated some old kit A > from one office to another and the transportation engineers who ? > re-installed (for insurance reasons) it put the Dec 3000 in a ? > cabinet sideways so we can't now physically get to the serial D > number. As this is a 24*7 service, I'd have to schedule a downtime > to get at it.   D If it is a 3000, there is a second copy on a sticker under the drive door under the CD bay.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:07:48 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)! Subject: Re: Alpha serial numbers $ Message-ID: <ehae6k$i7f$2@online.de>  F In article <87y7rb9wex.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com writes:   ! > "Ade" <Ade@nowhere.com> writes:  > E > > This is nothing sinister. We have recently relocated some old kit C > > from one office to another and the transportation engineers who A > > re-installed (for insurance reasons) it put the Dec 3000 in a A > > cabinet sideways so we can't now physically get to the serial F > > number. As this is a 24*7 service, I'd have to schedule a downtime > > to get at it.  > F > If it is a 3000, there is a second copy on a sticker under the drive > door under the CD bay.  2 Indeed, with a nice little door which swings down!   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 02:07:25 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>* Subject: Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumphB Message-ID: <1161335245.609956.271310@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>  
 Sharon wrote:  ... E > 	I'm not in a position to publicize this, but I think HP should use . > stories like this to laude *their* products. >   1 you are publicising this by posting this here :-)   # HP do have the success stories page . http://h71000.www7.hp.com/success-stories.html   but should, of course, do more.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:40:43 -0400 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>* Subject: Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph* Message-ID: <4538c3cc@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Share it with Sue Skonetski.  2 "Sharon" <frey@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:asqrReptG1x2@eisner.encompasserve.org... I > Just got an email about a successful project completion at work and had K > to share.  If you all remember, we do 911 Dispatching software on Vax and  Alpha L > platforms.  We've had a team working on a Vax to Alpha upgrade for a LARGEJ > customer over the past year or two.  This one happened to be the version of ourH > software written entirely in Macro - the oldest system still in use, I think.E > They went live on Tuesday.  Total downtime to the users to swap the C > hardware out from under the Macro system:  4 minutes.  No serious 	 problems,  > only a few cosmetic ones. D > I'm not in a position to publicize this, but I think HP should use. > stories like this to laude *their* products. >  >  - Sharon $ > "Gravity...  is a harsh mistress!"   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 05:34:17 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Backup on VMS v8.2-1 C Message-ID: <1161347657.569929.194220@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hiya,   B We appear to have had a situation this morning where, prior to theD installation of the RMS v0100, BASRTL v0200 and ICXXL v0200 patches,C BACKUP on VMS v8.2-1 corrupted a text file by modifying the maximum ) record length of a file from 62 to 32767.   ; The restore which appears to have corrupted things was just 1 $ BACKUP/IMAGE/NOALIAS tape:saveset.bck/sav disk:   + Has anybody else encountered such an issue?   F I haven't (yet) tried restoring the disk following the installation of the patches.  C The original backup was done as an image backup on VMS v7.3-1 on an  AlphaServer DS20.    Thanks in advance    Steve    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 06:43:20 -0700/ From: "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com> ! Subject: Re: Backup on VMS v8.2-1 A Message-ID: <1161351800.315790.48200@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>    Steve,  A as the destination disk of an /IMAGE restore is mounted /foreign, G BACKUP won't be using RMS, so the chances are pretty low, that applying - any of those 3 patches would change anything.   B I would suggest to do a BACKUP/LIST=x.x/ANALYZE of the saveset and2 locate the RECATTR record of the file in question.  > Then BACKUP the 'bad file' into a small saveset and repeat theA BACKUP/LIS/ANALYZE operation against that saveset and compare the C contents of RECATTR records. Then repeat this check on the original  file on the Alpha system.   D The results of this test might give an idea, where the problem could be...    Volker.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 12:36:16 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: Backup on VMS v8.2-1 3 Message-ID: <IdITF49lqv0d@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <1161347657.569929.194220@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Hiya,  > D > We appear to have had a situation this morning where, prior to theF > installation of the RMS v0100, BASRTL v0200 and ICXXL v0200 patches,E > BACKUP on VMS v8.2-1 corrupted a text file by modifying the maximum + > record length of a file from 62 to 32767.  > = > The restore which appears to have corrupted things was just 3 > $ BACKUP/IMAGE/NOALIAS tape:saveset.bck/sav disk:  > - > Has anybody else encountered such an issue?  >   @    I haven't had this, but I have had similar errors when a diskF    block went bad.  BACKUP may have sent the correct data to the disk.$    /VERIFY could catch such a thing.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:44:36 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: CDE or original Session Manager ?+ Message-ID: <45389A7D.9D42FDF@teksavvy.com>   + At the risk of starting a religious war....   > I was able to somewhat start CDE on the alpha, targetted at myH vaxstation (which confused the hell out of existing windows which becameE encapsulated in an additional window for each existing window but all @ those windows died when CDE exited, even though they didn't have anything to do with the alpha).   G Reading the manual, and using some the features, it appears that CDE is B more polished than the traditional session manager. (for instance,F ability to quickly install some background image/pattern into the fake0 background (which isn't really the root window).  4 And of course, the file manager seems to be far moreB usable/sophisticated (closer to what the MAC has had since 1984).   H There seems to be a neat function of having different workspaces (so youH could have one with all your system management windows, one for "office"D windows (email, worlk processing etc) , one for programming (all the5 editor windows for the files you are working on etc).   F So this can greatly reduce window clutter. So when you switch from oneH workspace to another it is the equivalent of making all existing windowsJ inconised, and expanding all icons related to the workspace you asked for.    D Over the years however, I have heard/read many comments about people1 sticking to the original session manager desktop.     D And I can see why. The session manager window gives far more obvious access to applications.     G Are there many people who have switched to CDE and are convinced enough E of its superiority that they can convince others to make the switch ?   E Are there many who switch back and forth depending on the position of   the stars relative to the moon ?    C Are people who stick with the traditional desktop just reluctant to > adopt change ? Or does it really end up being simpler and more productive ?   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 04:21:22 -07001 From: "Bart.Zorn@gmail.com" <Bart.Zorn@gmail.com> . Subject: Re: CDE or original Session Manager ?C Message-ID: <1161343282.409379.165730@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   D No relegious war from my side! You can have the best of both worlds:D just run DECW$SESSION.EXE as an application under CDE. I did not yet7 test what happens when you End Session fron it, though!    Regards,  	 Bart Zorn    JF Mezei wrote: - > At the risk of starting a religious war....  > @ > I was able to somewhat start CDE on the alpha, targetted at myJ > vaxstation (which confused the hell out of existing windows which becameG > encapsulated in an additional window for each existing window but all B > those windows died when CDE exited, even though they didn't have! > anything to do with the alpha).  > I > Reading the manual, and using some the features, it appears that CDE is D > more polished than the traditional session manager. (for instance,H > ability to quickly install some background image/pattern into the fake2 > background (which isn't really the root window). > 6 > And of course, the file manager seems to be far moreC > usable/sophisticated (closer to what the MAC has had since 1984).  > J > There seems to be a neat function of having different workspaces (so youJ > could have one with all your system management windows, one for "office"F > windows (email, worlk processing etc) , one for programming (all the7 > editor windows for the files you are working on etc).  > H > So this can greatly reduce window clutter. So when you switch from oneJ > workspace to another it is the equivalent of making all existing windowsL > inconised, and expanding all icons related to the workspace you asked for. >  > F > Over the years however, I have heard/read many comments about people3 > sticking to the original session manager desktop.  >  > F > And I can see why. The session manager window gives far more obvious > access to applications.  >  > I > Are there many people who have switched to CDE and are convinced enough G > of its superiority that they can convince others to make the switch ?  > G > Are there many who switch back and forth depending on the position of " > the stars relative to the moon ? >  > E > Are people who stick with the traditional desktop just reluctant to @ > adopt change ? Or does it really end up being simpler and more > productive ?   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:25:22 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply). Subject: Re: CDE or original Session Manager ?$ Message-ID: <ehaf7i$i7f$4@online.de>  4 In article <45389A7D.9D42FDF@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    - > At the risk of starting a religious war....   I If all religious wars were only about CDE vs. the traditional DECwindows  2 interface, the world would be a much better place.  I > Reading the manual, and using some the features, it appears that CDE is D > more polished than the traditional session manager. (for instance,H > ability to quickly install some background image/pattern into the fake2 > background (which isn't really the root window).   Yes.  J > There seems to be a neat function of having different workspaces (so youJ > could have one with all your system management windows, one for "office"F > windows (email, worlk processing etc) , one for programming (all the7 > editor windows for the files you are working on etc).   F This is the main reason I prefer CDE.  I also like the fact that if I E arrange the windows in a particular configuration and save it, it is  H like that the next time I log in.  I can't do that on VAX.  It might be A possible with customisation, specifying in user-edited files the  G position of DECW$CLOCK or whatever, but I want to be able to just save  - an existing configuration quickly and easily.   H > So this can greatly reduce window clutter. So when you switch from oneJ > workspace to another it is the equivalent of making all existing windowsL > inconised, and expanding all icons related to the workspace you asked for.  A Yes, great feature.  I have 6 such workspaces at home, 9 at work.   G > Are there many who switch back and forth depending on the position of " > the stars relative to the moon ?  H When I don't have much to do, I log in at a VT320 console.  When I have I more to do, I log in at a VAX and bring up 3 DECterms and a clock.  It's  G just as easy to log in to an ALPHA, but the one which is always in the  I cluster needs a lot of its 192 MB without any DECwindows (mainly because  D it has the TCPIP cluster alias and is handling most of the internet G traffic) so I don't like to strain it.  (The VAX with 80 MB uses less,  F both fractionally and thus also much more absolutely, with DECwindows I than the ALPHA without.)  I do have an ALPHA with much more memory and 2  I fast CPUs, but to save power it is a satellite which I boot up only when  I I need much more power, such as when I need CSWB.  When I am on ALPHA, I   do prefer the CDE.  E > Are people who stick with the traditional desktop just reluctant to @ > adopt change ? Or does it really end up being simpler and more > productive ?   Depends on what you want to do.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:00:45 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> . Subject: Re: CDE or original Session Manager ?: Message-ID: <1KudndG-S-6rb6XYnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@comcast.com>   JF Mezei wrote: - > At the risk of starting a religious war....  > @ > I was able to somewhat start CDE on the alpha, targetted at myJ > vaxstation (which confused the hell out of existing windows which becameG > encapsulated in an additional window for each existing window but all B > those windows died when CDE exited, even though they didn't have! > anything to do with the alpha).  > I > Reading the manual, and using some the features, it appears that CDE is D > more polished than the traditional session manager. (for instance,H > ability to quickly install some background image/pattern into the fake2 > background (which isn't really the root window). > 6 > And of course, the file manager seems to be far moreD > usable/sophisticated (closer to what the MAC has had since 1984).  > J > There seems to be a neat function of having different workspaces (so youJ > could have one with all your system management windows, one for "office"F > windows (email, worlk processing etc) , one for programming (all the7 > editor windows for the files you are working on etc).  > H > So this can greatly reduce window clutter. So when you switch from oneJ > workspace to another it is the equivalent of making all existing windowsL > inconised, and expanding all icons related to the workspace you asked for. >  > F > Over the years however, I have heard/read many comments about people3 > sticking to the original session manager desktop.  >  > F > And I can see why. The session manager window gives far more obvious > access to applications.  >  > I > Are there many people who have switched to CDE and are convinced enough G > of its superiority that they can convince others to make the switch ?  > G > Are there many who switch back and forth depending on the position of " > the stars relative to the moon ? >  > E > Are people who stick with the traditional desktop just reluctant to @ > adopt change ? Or does it really end up being simpler and more > productive ?  D Sheesh, I've been using CDE for so long on both VMS and Unix that I G scarcely remember how to use any other X-windows desktop let alone how   to switch to another one.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:37:48 -0400 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>: Subject: Re: DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP symbol or logical ?* Message-ID: <4538c31d@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  C Eventually all the symbols are turned into logical names (do a SHOW  LOGICAL/TABLE=DECW$SERVER0).  D Some things were standard from way, way back.  Some things that wereI server-specific ended up just having the user define the logicals if they J want to change them.  Some of of those (like refresh rate and pixel depth)H have become standard, but the precident was already set - and nobody hasL gone back to try and integrate them in as symbols (in a way not to break any user setup already in place).     : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:45382175.DB9AFB19@teksavvy.com...D > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83final/decwindows/DWINDOWS_MGMT.PDF >  > Rudolf Wingert wrote: J > > there is a documentation about the logicals and  symbols. The name is:L > > "Managing DECwindows Motif for OpenVMS Systems". AFAIK, this guide would6 > > never updated and is a little bit old (from 1994). > D > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83final/decwindows/DWINDOWS_MGMT.PDF > G > Has been updated (July 2006).  Since it lacks modern bookmarks, it is J > harder to find the revant sections. But I did find one section and thereI > was mention that some of the stuff is done through logicals if it isn't E > a parameter supported by decwindows but supported by the device (at I > which point you need a logical since the DCL code won't be checking for  > that symbol).  >  > H > > P.S. IMHO, you should read the "Release Notes". They will inform you about - > > the Radeon specific logicals and symbols.  > B > Well, I did a google search and found an official HP document onH > installing the Radeao 7500 card on VMS (URL on my initial message) and? > that one said one needs to use define/system/exec for all the   > parameters, and that is wrong.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 04:26:22 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> 1 Subject: Re: Digital Server 5305 hardware problem : Message-ID: <mbOdnUTS1sAoGqXYnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@comcast.com>   H Vlems wrote:N > I have a spare Digital Server 5305. It didn't have memory nor cpu's or otherN > peripherals. Just the main board, empty memory riser boards and a floppy andK > CDrom. BTW the 5305 is *very* similar to an Alpha Server 1200. Its box is  > white, not blue.N > I powered it up and after about a minute it powered itself off. Assumed thatN > had to do owing to not having cpu's nor memory so I bought two similar 5/4009 > boards and 192 MB memory (three pairs). Same behaviour.  > 0 > 1) the display is dead, does not show anything4 > 2) the IOD1 led on the main board does not turn on > 1 > Ansy ideas what might be wrong with the system?  >  > Hans Vlems >  >   
 Power supply?    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 04:58:10 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> 1 Subject: Re: Digital Server 5305 hardware problem B Message-ID: <1161345490.203571.52680@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   H Vlems wrote:N > I have a spare Digital Server 5305. It didn't have memory nor cpu's or otherN > peripherals. Just the main board, empty memory riser boards and a floppy andK > CDrom. BTW the 5305 is *very* similar to an Alpha Server 1200. Its box is  > white, not blue.N > I powered it up and after about a minute it powered itself off. Assumed thatN > had to do owing to not having cpu's nor memory so I bought two similar 5/4009 > boards and 192 MB memory (three pairs). Same behaviour.  > 0 > 1) the display is dead, does not show anything4 > 2) the IOD1 led on the main board does not turn on > 1 > Ansy ideas what might be wrong with the system?  >  > Hans Vlems   Hi Hans,   Random thoughts:  D   Did you acquire it in this condition?  If so, it might be that theF main board is bad and the previous owner stripped anything of use from the system.   E   Other than that I'd check out the power supplies.  In my experience D with this type of system (I have a 5305 and a UWS plus a "parts" UWSF like yours), the behavior mentioned makes me think that it's some sort of power or fan problem.  E   Double check all the power supply cables connections for tightness. F Make sure both are getting AC power (there may be two P/S but they are$ NOT redundant - both are necessary).  E   Maybe the switch that senses the case being closed is faulty.  It's D on the top, in between the CD drive bay and the 2nd half-height bay.  F   Have you watched the OCP display during power up?  There should be aD mini display of the internal startup process.  That could give you a" hint as to where the problem lies.   John H. Reinhardt    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:59:14 -0400 ) From: "Islandco.com" <sales@islandco.com> 1 Subject: Re: Digital Server 5305 hardware problem / Message-ID: <12jhi0rrlukj7d@news.supernews.com>   H If you need power supplies for this system we have a large shelf full of them    , Call me on 877-636 4332 x201 if you need one pricing is about $190    David      --  ! Your shipment has been sent today  The tracking number is:    You can track your shipment at http://www.fedex.com/us    Thankyou for your business   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 180  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447  6622 Fax: 912 201 0402 + <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote in message < news:1161345490.203571.52680@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >  > H Vlems wrote:J > > I have a spare Digital Server 5305. It didn't have memory nor cpu's or other L > > peripherals. Just the main board, empty memory riser boards and a floppy and J > > CDrom. BTW the 5305 is *very* similar to an Alpha Server 1200. Its box is > > white, not blue.K > > I powered it up and after about a minute it powered itself off. Assumed  thatJ > > had to do owing to not having cpu's nor memory so I bought two similar 5/400 ; > > boards and 192 MB memory (three pairs). Same behaviour.  > > 2 > > 1) the display is dead, does not show anything6 > > 2) the IOD1 led on the main board does not turn on > > 3 > > Ansy ideas what might be wrong with the system?  > >  > > Hans Vlems > 
 > Hi Hans, >  > Random thoughts: > F >   Did you acquire it in this condition?  If so, it might be that theH > main board is bad and the previous owner stripped anything of use from
 > the system.  > G >   Other than that I'd check out the power supplies.  In my experience F > with this type of system (I have a 5305 and a UWS plus a "parts" UWSH > like yours), the behavior mentioned makes me think that it's some sort > of power or fan problem. > G >   Double check all the power supply cables connections for tightness. H > Make sure both are getting AC power (there may be two P/S but they are& > NOT redundant - both are necessary). > G >   Maybe the switch that senses the case being closed is faulty.  It's F > on the top, in between the CD drive bay and the 2nd half-height bay. > H >   Have you watched the OCP display during power up?  There should be aF > mini display of the internal startup process.  That could give you a$ > hint as to where the problem lies. >  > John H. Reinhardt  >    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 05:50:58 -0700% From: "jjinva" <jjinva@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: FTP fails to start B Message-ID: <1161348658.164991.181810@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>  ( Please post the results of this command.  + dir/date/siz/prot SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP]    David D Miller wrote: J > ----- Forwarded by David D Miller/RWS/Raytheon/US on 10/19/2006 07:23 AM > -----  > A > David D Miller/RWS/Raytheon/US wrote on 10/19/2006 07:22:47 AM:  > B > "jjinva" <jjinva@earthlink.net> wrote on 10/19/2006 06:24:32 AM: > 4 > > Just to get back to basics.  Did this ever work? > E > Yeah, but before I was called on the scene.  I have yet to sort out D > what happened -- perhaps a TCPIP upgrade, perhaps somebody foolingF > around with privileges in an attempt to "secure" the machine better. > E > Your question motivates me to sort out the history of this problem.  >  > dave.  >  > > > David D Miller wrote:  > > > > Folks: > > > > / > > > > TCPIP 5.1, OVMS 7.3 (sorry, pretty old)  > > > > F > > > > It starts up OK and seems to work -- $PING and $TELNET are OK. > > FTP is not.  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > Problem is this: > > > > ! > > > > $TCPIP ENABLE SERVICE FTP  > > > > , > > > > operates without a comment, but then > > > >  > > > > $TCPIP SHOW SERVICE FTP  > > > > & > > > > shows it disabled, furthermore > > > > < > > > > $FTP 127.0.0.1  (likewise $TELNET/PORT=21 127.0.0.1) > > > > M > > > > is rejected.  There are no log files anywhere that I could find.  The I > > > > logicals indicate FTP started OK.  The images (two I believe) are  > > > > installed. > > > > & > > > > $TCPIP SHOW SERV FTP/PERM/FULL > > > > ! > > > > looks somewhat like this:  > > > >  > > > > Service: FTP > > > > K > > > > Port:         21                                      Protocol: TCP  > > > > Address: 0.0.0.0E > > > > Inactivity:  5                                     User_name:  > TCPIP$FTP  > > > > Process:  TCPIP$FTP  > > > > Limit:        10 > > > > @ > > > > File:                     TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$FTP_RUN.COM# > > > > Flags:                TCPIP  > > > > & > > > > Socket Opts:    Rcheck  Scheck4 > > > > Receive:      0                   Send:    0 > > > > J > > > > Log Opts:     Acpt Actv Dactv Conn Error Exit Logi Logo Mdfy  Rjct > TimO > > > > AddrF > > > > File:               SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$FTP]TCPIP$FTP_RUN.LOG > > > >  > > > > Security  > > > > Reject msg:  not defined > > > > Accept host: 0.0.0.0 > > > > Accept netw: 0.0.0.0 > > > > H > > > > Any suggestions/comments will be appreciated.  Updating to newer
 > versions > > > > is a difficult option. > > > >  > > > > TIA, dave. > > >    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:08:26 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L, Message-ID: <ehaana$3e7$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>   In article <1161318848.057829.87930@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> writes: >  >JF Mezei wrote: >>/ >> -------------------------------------------- / >> OK, I don't yet have a keyboard (long story)  > E >You have no PS/2 keyboard at all?  Nearly any will work (I think all C >will but I'm hedging).  You may not have the "normal" VMS extended C >function keys but at least you can do SOMETHING with your system's D >graphics console.  I don't know what you have up there in the GreatB >White North but here in Cincinnati you can pick up a cheapie PS/2F >keyboard at MicroCenter for $9.95 plus tax.  Or free if you happen to& >know somebody in the repairs section. > G A very cheap PS/2 keyboard should work. Some of the more expensive ones I come with drivers for Windows and Linux which you have to install - which # you obviously can't install on VMS.   
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:32:51 -0400 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L, Message-ID: <4538c1f3$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:4538338B.668C1E25@teksavvy.com...  2 > The background is window's BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH. > I > Is there some secret undocumented DS10L SRM environment variable to set A > the background to a different colour ? I don't like Microsoft's ' > proprietary shade of blue :-( :-( :-(  >    No.    > . > --------------------------------------------. > OK, I don't yet have a keyboard (long story) > J > Now, I have SET CONSOLE GRAPHICS at the >>> prompt (and included this in > the NVRAM script.  > J > But this doesn't seem to make a difference as all console activity stillB > happens via the serial port. I assume this is because of lack of! > keyboard overrides everything ?  >   E On the DS10, the console FW detects that there was no KB present, and  switches to the serial port,.    > D > When VMS boots, X has no problem starting and displaying the loginH > screen. However, the MOUSE which is connected does not move nor do anyJ > of its buttons work. (the mouse seems to be an optical one and I can see< > the red laights under it, indicating it is getting power). > = > Does the lack of keyboard automatically disable the mouse ?  > 2 > ------------------------------------------------ >   K This is a DS10 quirk.  When the FW detects no mouse/kb, it doesn't load the J FW driver for it.  Since VMS uses FW callbacks to get mouse/KB input -- weK end up not getting any.  It does the same if it doesn't find a VGA as well.  IMHO this was a mistake.  I > Is there a way to get the system to use the serial port as "keyboard" ? I > Even though I may not have the full function of keystroke combinations, 6 > it might give me enough functionality to start with. >   J No.  But you can probably pick up any generic kb/mouse from WalMart or any other place for a few bucks.  E > (akaL: vaxstation's keyboard would be used on a SET HOST/DTE to the 0 > ALPHA's serial port to send input characters).   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 08:03:29 -0700' From: "bclaremont" <msi1@earthlink.net>   Subject: Re: Netiquette faux pasB Message-ID: <1161356608.922967.300420@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   More hobbiest info:   / http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/phpbb2/index.php   E There was a contest run in the not too distant past for best use of a G hobbiest system.  There were some pretty awesome submissions.  Here are  a couple of related links.  L http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/license_software_programs/smarthouse1.html  1 http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Contestants    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:46:56 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> + Subject: Re: OT: R/C Plane with Video Servo < Message-ID: <4538a8de$0$14865$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  H "Simon Clubley" <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote in 5 message news:N8gvEPUuRmUO@eisner.encompasserve.org...  [...snip...] > I > If you want another example from one of your fellow countrymen, have a   > look > here:  >  > http://members.shaw.ca/sonde/  > = > Note that he did lose the glider on the 5th flight however.  > K > To bring it back (somewhat :-)) on topic, unfortunately you are not going G > to see people using VMS to control (or even design) projects like the  > above glider...  >  > Simon. >  Wow.  J To your comments, I love developing software on OpenVMS. But the greatest L amount of satisfaction (at least for me) comes from developing software for  embedded applications.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 2006 01:19:03 EDT) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) - Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS ! Message-ID: <Ff1ELfUF7nOO@wvnvms>   T In article <4538495E.90705@bluevine.net>, Marc Chametzky <marc@bluevine.net> writes:G > The last news server I ran on VMS was DNEWS (from NetWin). It worked  C > much better on VMS since it used larger files that could contain  + > hundreds of individual news items in them  > K > Unfortunately, they stopped developing the VMS version many years ago. I  D > don't even know whether they still have it available for download.  F We still run DNEWS on our cluster.  It works very well on VMS with anyF TCP/IP which provides UCX emulation.  NetWin no longer develops it forI any platform, but I believe the last VMS version is still in the download E area.  It does, however, require a license key.  You might be able to D talk them out of a key depending on what you plan to use it for (the& license was free for educational use).  F I also have the last version (V6.2-1) of ANUNews along with a patch or two for it if you need a copy.     George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 08:38:19 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS * Message-ID: <45388afb@news.langstoeger.at>  \ In article <4537e741$0$10304$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, Jim Mehlhop <jim@mehlhop.org> writes:C >I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server.  I am  J >running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg and F >  about 60 GB of free disk space.  I could probably dedicate an 18GB  >disk for this.   E Problem is that there is no current news server software for OpenVMS.   B There used to be DNEWS from NETWINSITE (which I still use at home)E and ANUNEWS freeware. Both have been discontinued many years ago, but F still might work (I don't know if I could reinstall DNEWS if I need toI but it still runs on my V8.2 - and I still have problems - like premature G expiration of posts - which won't get fixed anymore - but I can't blame = them, they got me my licenses for free! Thanks again, folks).   7 If you have more than one disk, run VOLSHAD every time!   G If you want to run a news server, think how many groups you want to run J and if they are binary (Binary groups are umpteen GB a day, so a 18GB willJ last a couple of minutes/hours). Make your the disk is not a IDE disk, butL SCSI. IDE disks are only for storing the data (not for using the data then).J Both my new 160GB IDE disks (with an ACARD USCSI Converter on my PWS433au)E died within days after being used by the newsserver (I got a warranty  replacement for both of them).   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:27:41 +0400 N From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <zzLaishev@zzDeltaTelecom.RU-remove.all-zz-to-reply>- Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS ? Message-ID: <FFD41FA0EDBAD41C45E3E852B8F11D5F@NNTP.DeltaTel.RU>    Hello, Jim!   2 	I running for the past 10 years this NNTP server:  * 	http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/     Jim Mehlhop wrote:  D > I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server.  I am K > running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg and  K >  about 60 GB of free disk space.  I could probably dedicate an 18GB disk   > for this.  > & > Is there any documentation for this? >  >  > Jim  >    --  F + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker ............. Skype: SysMan-One  +9 Delta Telecom JSC, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operator E Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 716-3222 F +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:04:45 -0600 & From: Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>- Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS ) Message-ID: <4538D77D.8090104@parsec.com>    Thanks Ruslan,  H I saw some datatrieve in there and Pthreads so I assume performance and G disk fragmentation is not as bad as everyone is telling me about ANU (  : Which I couldn't find anymore at the old web site anyway).       Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:
 > Hello, Jim!  > 7 >     I running for the past 10 years this NNTP server:  > / >     http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/  >  >  > Jim Mehlhop wrote: > E >> I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server.  I am  H >> running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg F >> and  about 60 GB of free disk space.  I could probably dedicate an  >> 18GB disk for this. >>' >> Is there any documentation for this?  >> >> >> Jim >> >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:05:14 -0600 & From: Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>- Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS ' Message-ID: <4538D79A.40505@parsec.com>    Thanks Ruslan,  H I saw some datatrieve in there and Pthreads so I assume performance and G disk fragmentation is not as bad as everyone is telling me about ANU (  : Which I couldn't find anymore at the old web site anyway).       Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:
 > Hello, Jim!  > 7 >     I running for the past 10 years this NNTP server:  > / >     http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/  >  >  > Jim Mehlhop wrote: > E >> I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server.  I am  H >> running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg F >> and  about 60 GB of free disk space.  I could probably dedicate an  >> 18GB disk for this. >>' >> Is there any documentation for this?  >> >> >> Jim >> >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:06:45 -0600 & From: Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>- Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS ) Message-ID: <4538D7F5.6050208@parsec.com>    Thanks Ruslan,  H I saw some datatrieve in there and Pthreads so I assume performance and G disk fragmentation is not as bad as everyone is telling me about ANU (  : Which I couldn't find anymore at the old web site anyway).       Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:
 > Hello, Jim!  > 7 >     I running for the past 10 years this NNTP server:  > / >     http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/  >  >  > Jim Mehlhop wrote: > E >> I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server.  I am  H >> running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg F >> and  about 60 GB of free disk space.  I could probably dedicate an  >> 18GB disk for this. >>' >> Is there any documentation for this?  >> >> >> Jim >> >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:08:14 -0600 & From: Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>- Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS ) Message-ID: <4538D84E.9000708@parsec.com>    Thanks Ruslan,  H I saw some datatrieve in there and Pthreads so I assume performance and G disk fragmentation is not as bad as everyone is telling me about ANU (  : Which I couldn't find anymore at the old web site anyway).       Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:
 > Hello, Jim!  > 7 >     I running for the past 10 years this NNTP server:  > / >     http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/  >  >  > Jim Mehlhop wrote: > E >> I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server.  I am  H >> running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg F >> and  about 60 GB of free disk space.  I could probably dedicate an  >> 18GB disk for this. >>' >> Is there any documentation for this?  >> >> >> Jim >> >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:08:52 -0600 & From: Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>- Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS 5 Message-ID: <4538d876$0$3580$815e3792@news.qwest.net>    Thanks Ruslan,  H I saw some datatrieve in there and Pthreads so I assume performance and G disk fragmentation is not as bad as everyone is telling me about ANU (  : Which I couldn't find anymore at the old web site anyway).       Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:
 > Hello, Jim!  > 7 >     I running for the past 10 years this NNTP server:  > / >     http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/  >  >  > Jim Mehlhop wrote: > E >> I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server.  I am  H >> running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg F >> and  about 60 GB of free disk space.  I could probably dedicate an  >> 18GB disk for this. >>' >> Is there any documentation for this?  >> >> >> Jim >> >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:08:05 +0400 U From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <zzLaishev-@-DeltaTelecom.zz.RU-please-remove-zz-for.reply> - Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS ? Message-ID: <A65F41F0B216D995D843B2D1F31A528C@NNTP.DeltaTel.RU>    Jim Mehlhop wrote: > Thanks Ruslan, > J > I saw some datatrieve in there and Pthreads so I assume performance and I > disk fragmentation is not as bad as everyone is telling me about ANU (  < > Which I couldn't find anymore at the old web site anyway).G 	ANU have not support ACL, also it's keep article in separated files...        >  >  >  > Ruslan R. Laishev wrote: >  >> Hello, Jim! >>8 >>     I running for the past 10 years this NNTP server: >>0 >>     http://starlet.deltatel.ru/~laishev/nntp/ >> >> >> Jim Mehlhop wrote:  >>F >>> I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server.  I am I >>> running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg  G >>> and  about 60 GB of free disk space.  I could probably dedicate an   >>> 18GB disk for this.  >>> ( >>> Is there any documentation for this? >>>  >>>  >>> Jim  >>>  >> >      --   Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+;   RADIUS Server for OpenVMS -> www.starlet.spb.ru/~laishev/ >   ICQ: 319518233, Skype: SysMan-One, Mobile: +7 (812) 716-3222   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:18:52 GMT + From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. 2 Message-ID: <wL_Zg.20409$E02.7801@newsb.telia.net>   Richard Maher skrev: > Hi Jan-Erik, > N > Just out of curiosity, what exactly are the advantages of using a web server > in this case,   - A user interface that is available everyware. 7 And, I don't thing you know enough about "this case"...   
 Best Regards, 	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:40:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. , Message-ID: <45387D89.433AC72B@teksavvy.com>   Richard Maher wrote:L > You think it's cutting edge technology that your CGI script can be cajoledN > into not opening/closing it's files and creating a new process everytime for > each request?   G At least with OSU, it is quite possible to have a server process create E a non transparent DECNET object and handle multiple requests from the  OSU web server.   
 For instance:   3 exec /scr/* velo::"0=OAJFOSU"$disk2:[www_cakes.scr]   E This makes requests such as /scr/chocolate.scp  to the OAJFOSU decnet G object on node VELO. That object is then able to ask OSU for the script < file specification and get $disk2:[www_wap.scr]chocolate.scp  G No process is created since the network object is already existant. And @ if the network application is structured properly, it can handle; multiple connections at the same time with threads or ASTs.   F (the neat thing about this is that the CGI app  can actually run opn a different node.)   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 02:57:59 -0700) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. C Message-ID: <1161338279.870576.161010@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote:  > Hi. @ > The "docs" that comes with the OSU web server kit has examplesE > files for C, Java, Perl and I think also Fortran in the latest kit.  > > > Now, does anyone see any particular reason why one shouldn't. > be able to use Cobol against the CGI API's ? > ; > I'm evaluating adding a few simple web "statistics" pages : > to an factory control system where the bulk of the logic6 > in the applications are in Cobol using VT-interfaces9 > (through a form management tool I've forgotted the name - > of, but is was not FMS or TDMS at least...)  > 9 > The plan is to keep the bulk program logic in Cobol but 9 > create som html instead of writing to the VT-interface.  > 7 > If the Cobol-way of doing thing isn't compatible with 9 > the OSU CGI APi's, I guess one can write a few C-stubs, 	 > right ?  >=20 > Best Regards,  > Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 03:12:17 -0700) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. C Message-ID: <1161339137.879008.214970@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote:  > Hi. @ > The "docs" that comes with the OSU web server kit has examplesE > files for C, Java, Perl and I think also Fortran in the latest kit.  > > > Now, does anyone see any particular reason why one shouldn't. > be able to use Cobol against the CGI API's ? > ; > I'm evaluating adding a few simple web "statistics" pages : > to an factory control system where the bulk of the logic6 > in the applications are in Cobol using VT-interfaces9 > (through a form management tool I've forgotted the name - > of, but is was not FMS or TDMS at least...)  > 9 > The plan is to keep the bulk program logic in Cobol but 9 > create som html instead of writing to the VT-interface.  > 7 > If the Cobol-way of doing thing isn't compatible with 9 > the OSU CGI APi's, I guess one can write a few C-stubs, 	 > right ?  >  > Best Regards,  > Jan-Erik.   	 Jan-Erik,   D So long as you respect the parameter standards of the interface, the8 language (or mixture of languages) used does not matter.  G For maintenance purposes, I would also recommend splitting the existing E application into two components, a screen IO component and a business @ logic component. Then, using the business logic as an underlyingD shareable libary (see "OpenVMS Shareable Libraries: An Implementor'sE Guide" from the 2000 Compaq Enterprise Technology Symposium; notes at G http://www.rlgsc.com/cets/2000/460.html ). Using a shareable libary for G the business logic ensures that the two versions of the businesss logic ' ARE identical, and reduces maintenance.   $ - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:15:06 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. $ Message-ID: <ehaeka$i7f$3@online.de>  5 In article <4538500F.A24B10AD@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    J > One issue that is important to consider is of line terminators. The HTTPE > system really wants to see CR/LF ends to the lines. There is a mode H > where OSU will add those for you. But it is best if your COBOL app canH > do that. (not sure about the COBOL run time handling of end of records& > when the output is a network device.   Quote of the day:   L Nearly every internet application protocol (HTTP, FTP, NNTP, SMTP) specifiesI <CR><LF> as the line terminator and nearly every unix-derived application . screws it up at some point it its development.  O                                                                  ---David Jones    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 2006 15:49:04 GMT. From: JONESD@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. : Message-ID: <ehar5g$iuc$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  2 In message <K5TZg.20396$E02.8096@newsb.telia.net>,)    <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> writes: = >Now, does anyone see any particular reason why one shouldn't - >be able to use Cobol against the CGI API's ?   N The easiest way is to use a wrapper command procedure for the script that runsM CGI_SYMBOLS to generate the standard CGI environment variables as DCL symbols J and then run your COBOL program with output directed to net_link:.  You'llL probably also want to have the procedure put the link in 'record mode' since" COBOL will be writing RMS records.  O A slightly more efficient technique would be to have COBOL executables call the F functions in cgilib.c and cgilib_form.c (via stubs) to get the requestI information and send the output.  The efficiency gain comes from internal 9 buffering of the writes to the net_link: network mailbox.   P I'll skip desciprition of the more esoteric scriptserver options also available.    < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 271-6718- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St.              |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:02:13 GMT + From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. 2 Message-ID: <pi7_g.20437$E02.8121@newsb.telia.net>   David Jones skrev:  P > The easiest way is to use a wrapper command procedure for the script that runsO > CGI_SYMBOLS to generate the standard CGI environment variables as DCL symbols D > and then run your COBOL program with output directed to net_link:.  C Yes, that's definitely an option. I was a *litte* worried about the F DCL overhead, but this is an DS20e so the DCL overhead should probably not be any problem...   Q > A slightly more efficient technique would be to have COBOL executables call the H > functions in cgilib.c and cgilib_form.c (via stubs) to get the request" > information and send the output.  ? Yes, that was actualy was I ment to ask in the first place. :-) : Can Cobol be setup to call those cgi functions directly or9 does one need C-stubs ? I guess from what you wrote above  that C-stube *are* needed.  R > I'll skip desciprition of the more esoteric scriptserver options also available.  * Right, I'll take that as "homework"... :-)   Thanks a lot !! 	 Jan-Erik.        >  > > > David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 271-6718/ > Ohio State University        |      Internet: N > 140 W. 19th St.              |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu< > Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu > 3 > Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 09:53:59 -0700 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net$ Subject: Re: VMS stuff available nowB Message-ID: <1161363239.184336.24550@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  + Here is the direct link to the VMS products & www.cafepress.com/tardedmonkey/1969130  ; Please report any other problems to me so I can pass it on.  thanks phil tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote: @ > I will talk to the co-worker tonight. I was able to access it. > Please keep me informed. > phil > Ian King wrote:  > > Ian Miller wrote: - > > > I can't see the VMS stuff at that site.  > > > L > > I had the same problem, and I tried both Firefox and IE.  There was justL > > a big blank in the middle of the page where the products should show up.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.577 ************************