1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 21 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 578       Contents:- Re: Alphaserver 200 4/233 power supply needed ! Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph  Re: Backup on VMS v8.2-1 Re: Bumper stickers for VMS  Re: Bumper stickers for VMS  Re: Bumper stickers for VMS  Cisco Equipment trade for DS10L  Re: DECconnect adapters 1 Re: DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP symbol or logical ? ( Re: Digital Server 5305 hardware problem Re: DS10L to a good home...  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L F Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center!F Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center!! Innovative use of DSSI cabinets !  LAN failover/ Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure input / Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure input  Re: OpenVMS over VMWare  Re: R/C Plane with Video Servo Re: R/C Plane with Video Servo$ Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS$ Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server.: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. Re: VMS stuff available now  Re: VMS stuff available now   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:16:36 -0500 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> 6 Subject: Re: Alphaserver 200 4/233 power supply needed0 Message-ID: <45393CB4.CA98964E@spam.comcast.net>   Z wrote: >  > Dave Froble wrote:I > > Did a quick search.  Only price I found was $299.  Better to put such $ > > amounts into a DS10L from David. > F > > If you find a source, I'd appreciate knowing.  I've got at least 2 > . > Issue resolved. I went with the $299 source. > ? > Was hoping to save some $, but no such luck; maybe next time.   N When I searched, I came up with a source offering it for $163. Didn't save the URL, tho....   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:58:22 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com * Subject: Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph0 Message-ID: <8764eeyd29.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  ' frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon) writes:   = > 	Just got an email about a successful project completion at D > work and had to share.  If you all remember, we do 911 DispatchingE > software on Vax and Alpha platforms.  We've had a team working on a F > Vax to Alpha upgrade for a LARGE customer over the past year or two.F > This one happened to be the version of our software written entirely5 > in Macro - the oldest system still in use, I think.   = > 	They went live on Tuesday.  Total downtime to the users to C > swap the hardware out from under the Macro system: 4 minutes.  No - > serious problems, only a few cosmetic ones.   A > 	I'm not in a position to publicize this, but I think HP should 2 > use stories like this to laude *their* products.  @ New system on Alpha. It is now the 21st, and Alpha sales stop in
 10 days...   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:32:44 -0500 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> ! Subject: Re: Backup on VMS v8.2-1 0 Message-ID: <4539407C.605E5555@spam.comcast.net>   etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  >  > Hiya,  > D > We appear to have had a situation this morning where, prior to theF > installation of the RMS v0100, BASRTL v0200 and ICXXL v0200 patches,E > BACKUP on VMS v8.2-1 corrupted a text file by modifying the maximum + > record length of a file from 62 to 32767.   N MRS says how big a record buffer to allocate when opening the file. As long asA LRL (Longest record) is still reasonable, it should still be o.k.   N If the file is still readable, I wouldn't really consider that a "corruption".E Load it into EDT and save a new version - should resolve the issue...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:08:21 -0500 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> $ Subject: Re: Bumper stickers for VMS0 Message-ID: <45393AC5.84422835@spam.comcast.net>   tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:  >  > Hello D > Maybe I'm dreaming, but I recall sometime ago someone was going toF > offer bumper stickers and other things for us die-hard VMS people. II > have a co-worker that can make bumper stickers,pins,buttons etc, but if 0 > someone has them already I would like to know. > thanks > phil  = Here's a a direct link to the OpenVMS sticker Phil described:   - http://www.cafepress.com/tardedmonkey/1969381    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 20:48:31 -0700 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net$ Subject: Re: Bumper stickers for VMSC Message-ID: <1161402511.572998.176200@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Thanks If you click on the this link C www.cafepress.com/tardedmonkey/1969130 it will take you to the page D that has aprons/bags etc. Clicking on any of the icons will (should) display VMS stuff. He made) available everything from aprons to cups.  phil David J Dachtera wrote: ! > tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:  > > 	 > > Hello F > > Maybe I'm dreaming, but I recall sometime ago someone was going toH > > offer bumper stickers and other things for us die-hard VMS people. IK > > have a co-worker that can make bumper stickers,pins,buttons etc, but if 2 > > someone has them already I would like to know.
 > > thanks > > phil > ? > Here's a a direct link to the OpenVMS sticker Phil described:  > / > http://www.cafepress.com/tardedmonkey/1969381  >  > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > ( > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page# > http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/  > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 20:49:11 -0700 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net$ Subject: Re: Bumper stickers for VMSC Message-ID: <1161402551.713503.131600@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Thanks If you click on the this link C www.cafepress.com/tardedmonkey/1969130 it will take you to the page D that has aprons/bags etc. Clicking on any of the icons will (should) display VMS stuff. He made) available everything from aprons to cups.  phil David J Dachtera wrote: ! > tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:  > > 	 > > Hello F > > Maybe I'm dreaming, but I recall sometime ago someone was going toH > > offer bumper stickers and other things for us die-hard VMS people. IK > > have a co-worker that can make bumper stickers,pins,buttons etc, but if 2 > > someone has them already I would like to know.
 > > thanks > > phil > ? > Here's a a direct link to the OpenVMS sticker Phil described:  > / > http://www.cafepress.com/tardedmonkey/1969381  >  > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > ( > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page# > http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/  > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 15:16:30 -0700  From: "Mike" <mlpoole@gmail.com>( Subject: Cisco Equipment trade for DS10LC Message-ID: <1161382590.543225.167210@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Hi guys,  C I would like to see if anyone is interested in some Cisco equipment ; toward a trade for a DS10L to be used as a hobbyist system.   @ I have a PIX-501 Firewall with PIX 6.2 and 3DES and a Cisco 1602 router.    Also a brand-new, in the box:   B ASUS P5AD2-E Premium Motherboard for LGA775 Pentium4 (also Extreme Edition)  - 1066 Mhz frontside bus ,  - PCIe x16 slot, 2 x PCIe x1, 3 x PCI slots9  - Silicon Image RAID Controller (4 x SATA RAID 0, 1, 10) :  - ITE IDE RAID Controller (2 x UltraDMA) RAID 0, 1, 0 + 1  - Dual Gigabit LAN Controllers B  - 802.11g onboard (external antenna, access point/bridge/repeater capable)  - 8 Channel HD Audio   - Coaxial, Optical S/PDIF out  - 3 Firewire, 8 USB  D I also have a P4 Extreme Edition Processor 3.4Ghz that is in unknownG condition.  A user overclocked it and it was running hot, so I replaced  it and kept it.     C I know this hardware is heretical, but maybe someone is interested!    Mike   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 11:25:25 -0700 From: mail2allan@gmail.com  Subject: Re: DECconnect adaptersB Message-ID: <1161368725.830453.27080@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  I > Various places have them.  A Google search turns up a number of hits on I > sites other than HP.  Digital Networks ( www.dnpg.com ) may.  Stonewall B > Cable ( www.stonewallcable.com ) does.  P/N SC-9362-E  CurrentlyD > $12.95ea  I've ordered a few things from them before and have been > happy with the items.  >   E The Stonewallcable prices are only $6.95 each (plus shipping) for the ! MMJ to DB25 (either M or F) kits.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:58:37 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>: Subject: Re: DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP symbol or logical ?- Message-ID: <4539387B.D66DDF12@vaxination.ca>    FredK wrote:F > Some things were standard from way, way back.  Some things that wereK > server-specific ended up just having the user define the logicals if they  > want to change them.    E But shouldn't the doc have asked people to define the logicals in the @ right table (DECW$SERVER0_TABLE for instance) instead of doing a6 DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC ? (is the /EXEC really necessary ?)  6 > Some of of those (like refresh rate and pixel depth)J > have become standard, but the precident was already set - and nobody hasN > gone back to try and integrate them in as symbols (in a way not to break any > user setup already in place).     < 1- If the system logical exists, then move that value to the server0_table logical K 2- If the symvol exists, then move that value to the server0_table logical.   F This way, people with just the define/system/exec definitiosn continueG to work as before and since they aren't definining the symbol, no other C redefinition of the value happens. Those "new" installs who use the 7 symbol and not the logical get their stuff to work too.   A And for those who use both the symbol and the logical, the symbol  overrides the logical.  E Personally, I would rather see all these stored in a X style resource H file. Why ? because it would make it much easier for some application toC have neat dialogs, drop down lists etc to let the user update those 	 settings.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 00:44:51 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>1 Subject: Re: Digital Server 5305 hardware problem % Message-ID: <74e_g.63$bb.51@trnddc03>    johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote:  > H Vlems wrote: > N >>I have a spare Digital Server 5305. It didn't have memory nor cpu's or otherN >>peripherals. Just the main board, empty memory riser boards and a floppy andK >>CDrom. BTW the 5305 is *very* similar to an Alpha Server 1200. Its box is  >>white, not blue.N >>I powered it up and after about a minute it powered itself off. Assumed thatN >>had to do owing to not having cpu's nor memory so I bought two similar 5/4009 >>boards and 192 MB memory (three pairs). Same behaviour.  >>0 >>1) the display is dead, does not show anything4 >>2) the IOD1 led on the main board does not turn on >>1 >>Ansy ideas what might be wrong with the system?  >> >>Hans Vlems >  > 
 > Hi Hans, >  > Random thoughts: > F >   Did you acquire it in this condition?  If so, it might be that theH > main board is bad and the previous owner stripped anything of use from
 > the system.  > G >   Other than that I'd check out the power supplies.  In my experience F > with this type of system (I have a 5305 and a UWS plus a "parts" UWSH > like yours), the behavior mentioned makes me think that it's some sort > of power or fan problem.  C I bought a second CPU for our AlphaServer 1200 last spring on Ebay. B When I installed it, it acted exactly like this.  It didn't have a> fan mounted on the CPU (like our original one has), so I triedE moving the fan from the original board to the new one, no difference. < It acted the same in either slot, either with or without the
 original CPU.   ? So I put the original CPU back in (with its fan) and let it be.   G Three months later, in July, it started crashing a lot (original CPU)), F and HP determined it was a fan.  All the fans appeared to be spinning,A but apparently one was dying; they replaced the fan, and its been @ fine ever since.  (This was one of the cabinet fans, not the fan mounted on the CPU.)  @ Maybe the "new" CPU was more sensitive to the dying fan than theB original one?  I'll have to try it again.  I'll report if it works9 now.  Probably will need to find another CPU fan, though.   A But the bottom line is a dying fan that appears to be working can @ definitely cause problems.  (The AS1200 is basically the same as a DS5305, IIRC.)   > G >   Double check all the power supply cables connections for tightness. H > Make sure both are getting AC power (there may be two P/S but they are& > NOT redundant - both are necessary). > G >   Maybe the switch that senses the case being closed is faulty.  It's F > on the top, in between the CD drive bay and the 2nd half-height bay. > H >   Have you watched the OCP display during power up?  There should be aF > mini display of the internal startup process.  That could give you a$ > hint as to where the problem lies.  G Good hints to remember while working on mine, too.  (I was able to hold D down the cover switch with a screw driver while testing, worked okay@ with the good CPU, but it was easy to slip, which would cause anB instant power-off.  Lots of crashes while booting as a result, but7 of course, the "bad" CPU never got even as far as >>>.)      >  > John H. Reinhardt  >      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:11:50 GMT & From: "Hal Kuff" <HalKuff@Verizon.Net>$ Subject: Re: DS10L to a good home...( Message-ID: <GQb_g.586$A27.383@trnddc08>  K Richard, good that you did...!  SPAM filter perhaps,, send me your address  + again at work and I'll do better than that.     ? "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in message  4 news:xuudnUugYv5NXKvYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Randy Doering wrote: > B >> "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in message 7 >> news:NpadnfJyKZXN2qjYnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@comcast.com...  >> >>>Hal Kuff wrote: >>>  >>> : >>>>How are you Richard... hope you are doing very well...C >>>>"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in message  8 >>>>news:WKWdnbZXG4cNTKnYnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>> >>>> >>>>>Galen wrote:  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> 
 >>>>>>Hal, >>>>>>K >>>>>>If you still have these systems available I'd love to get my hands on K >>>>>>one. I am in Northern Virginia (work in Chantilly) but would be glad   >>>>>>to@ >>>>>>drive as far as Baltimore if that should be where you are. >>>>> E >>>>>He's in Hunt Valley, MD. It's about 30 miles north of Baltimore.  >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>I'm fine thanks.  >>> G >>>Weren't you going to send me a check for 240 miles and $14 in tolls?  >>> H >>>I emailed the mileage and tolls as you requested but I got neither a  >>>reply nor a check!  >> >>G >> Hopefully, you've received your money for work/travel for Tessco. I  J >> experienced a similar situation, when once the insurance money ran out L >> (after their flood) additional consultant work went unpaid - wasn't much " >> but still resides in my memory. >> >> Randy >> >>L > ~$100 isn't going to break me!  Since Hal was here, I thought I'd nag him  > about it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:00:21 -0400 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L* Message-ID: <4538e488@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  < "Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in messageD news:paul.sture.nospam-B0287A.15051020102006@mac.sture.homeip.net...G > In article <ehaana$3e7$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk  > wrote: > K > > A very cheap PS/2 keyboard should work. Some of the more expensive ones G > > come with drivers for Windows and Linux which you have to install -  which ' > > you obviously can't install on VMS.  > >  > H > I picked up a Microsoft one (don't hit me folks) earlier this year for > less than 10 USD.  > I > It came with a drivers disk, which caused me some amusement at the time E > (the outside of the box clearly stated that a minimum of a Pentium, 4 > Windows, x RAM and y disk space was needed - LOL). >   K Almost any PS2 KB will work.  There are a handful of really cheap ones that > do not fully implement all scan code sets - but 99% will work.  F You should select the PC layout from the KB setup in CDE - unless yourI fingers have memorized the location of things like the FIND key.  Missing H keys - like F11 etc - can use the VT520 trick of using the LOCK key as a, temporary shift to generate the missing key.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:02:51 -0400 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L* Message-ID: <4538e51c@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  K As a "special" bonus - if you pick up V8.3 - thumbwheel PS2 mice should now  have the thumbwheel enabled.    5 "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote in message $ news:4538e488@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > > > "Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in messageF > news:paul.sture.nospam-B0287A.15051020102006@mac.sture.homeip.net...I > > In article <ehaana$3e7$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk 
 > > wrote: > > H > > > A very cheap PS/2 keyboard should work. Some of the more expensive onesI > > > come with drivers for Windows and Linux which you have to install -  > which ) > > > you obviously can't install on VMS.  > > >  > > J > > I picked up a Microsoft one (don't hit me folks) earlier this year for > > less than 10 USD.  > > K > > It came with a drivers disk, which caused me some amusement at the time G > > (the outside of the box clearly stated that a minimum of a Pentium, 6 > > Windows, x RAM and y disk space was needed - LOL). > >  > H > Almost any PS2 KB will work.  There are a handful of really cheap ones that@ > do not fully implement all scan code sets - but 99% will work. > H > You should select the PC layout from the KB setup in CDE - unless yourK > fingers have memorized the location of things like the FIND key.  Missing J > keys - like F11 etc - can use the VT520 trick of using the LOCK key as a. > temporary shift to generate the missing key. >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:08:44 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L- Message-ID: <45393AD9.C78272D7@vaxination.ca>    FredK wrote: > M > As a "special" bonus - if you pick up V8.3 - thumbwheel PS2 mice should now  > have the thumbwheel enabled.  A Oh ! neat. The rodent that  Island sold me has such as thumbwheel H instead of a middle button. Was wondering how this would work on VMS. ToE what extent is the thumbwheel supported ? For instance, if you have a ? current window that has vertical scroll bar, and your cursor is E durrently in a scrollable selection list inside that window, will the : thumbwheel scroll the selection list or the whole window ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:26:19 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L) Message-ID: <op.thqq95g8tte90l@hyrrokkin>   H On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:02:51 -0700, FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>   wrote:  K > As a "special" bonus - if you pick up V8.3 - thumbwheel PS2 mice should    > now  > have the thumbwheel enabled.  A That is useful for Autocad, how is it used or who uses it on VMS?    --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:59:20 -0500 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> O Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! 0 Message-ID: <453938A8.36331733@spam.comcast.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 2 > In article <453114B1.5DAFBA8D@spam.comcast.net>,? >         David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes:  > >  > > So, question:  > > T > > Suppose Bruden, Parsec, TES, (the corporate parent of) Process, TDI, SP/32, etc.T > > were to combine their financial resources. Assuming such level of cooperation isQ > > attainable, would the resultant partnership have the financial wherewithal to S > > wrest OpenVMS away from HP (and buy openvms.com from someone I know personally) ) > > and finally let it be what it CAN be?  > M > How could they "wrest" OpenVMS away from HP?  It is either for sale or not. K > And up til now, not.  All the money in the world won't buy something that  > is not for sale.  - It is written: "Every (man) has (his) price."    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Oct 2006 01:16:09 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)O Subject: Re: How former HP support staff needs to form a new US support center! + Message-ID: <4ptamoFkgnbrU1@individual.net>   0 In article <453938A8.36331733@spam.comcast.net>,6 	David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>  3 >> In article <453114B1.5DAFBA8D@spam.comcast.net>, @ >>         David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes: >> > >> > So, question: >> >U >> > Suppose Bruden, Parsec, TES, (the corporate parent of) Process, TDI, SP/32, etc. U >> > were to combine their financial resources. Assuming such level of cooperation is R >> > attainable, would the resultant partnership have the financial wherewithal toT >> > wrest OpenVMS away from HP (and buy openvms.com from someone I know personally)* >> > and finally let it be what it CAN be? >>  N >> How could they "wrest" OpenVMS away from HP?  It is either for sale or not.L >> And up til now, not.  All the money in the world won't buy something that >> is not for sale.  > / > It is written: "Every (man) has (his) price."   C You may have that written somewhere, but that doesn't make it true.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:40:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: Innovative use of DSSI cabinets !, Message-ID: <45397A74.B79A0F6C@teksavvy.com>  H Today is a true automnal day here in montreal. lots of rain, temperatureG just above freezing, and periods where the precipitation is in the form  of very wet snow.   * Your running shoes are all wet and cold ?   D No problem... just put then on the side of the DSSI cabinet. Lots ofF nice warm air flowing out of there all the time, making your shoes dry% and toasty warm in no time at all !!!   H Kudos to those Digital cabinet engineers :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-)    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 12:29:05 -0700 From: grecot@gmail.com Subject: LAN failover @ Message-ID: <1161372545.466594.4910@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   Folks,  F I've being using a DS25 system with DE602 OVMS 7.3.2 with ECO 5.4, andC configured LANCP to to a LAN Failover for EID0 (priority 20) e EIH0  (priority 10).  ? The system is not in a cluster enviroment, and I've noticed the  following behaviour:   After boot sequence  EID0 is (active) LLA0 is working fine.   A If I do $mcr lancp set dev lla0 /switch the EID0 goes to stand-by  according to9 $ mcr lancp sh dev lla0 /char, shows that EIH0 is active, F and after that pinging to IP address assigned to LLA0 is not possible. :(  F Yet, if do a spawn on LANCP, and ping an host within the network, LLA0 starts responding pings.* If I switch again, stops again responsing.  F So, LAN Failover only works after output traffic is requested to TCPIP stack?  F I strongly suspect this is not the expected behaviour, do you have any tips for it?  B Both NICs are configured to FASTD FULL 100Mbit/s and protocol MOP.   Thnx   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:27:30 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 8 Subject: Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure input0 Message-ID: <87ac3qyehp.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>    apogeusistemas@gmail.com writes:  G > Thanks, I'll do. But, is there any way to put an underscore in prompt 
 > using DCL ?  > Like this:  " > Please, enter tape number:______  L Yes, but when they type in the tape number it will overwrite the underlines.F It will also only work on the `right' terminals. and will screw up any batch job that trys to use it.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 15:22:29 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org8 Subject: Re: Limiting 6 characters in an procedure input3 Message-ID: <Z8s31lEymBqO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <87ac3qyehp.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com writes:" > apogeusistemas@gmail.com writes: > H >> Thanks, I'll do. But, is there any way to put an underscore in prompt >> using DCL ?
 >> Like this:  > # >> Please, enter tape number:______  > N > Yes, but when they type in the tape number it will overwrite the underlines.H > It will also only work on the `right' terminals. and will screw up any  > batch job that trys to use it.  D Prompting in a batch job is problematic with or without underscores, surely?   G Most terminals of both the printing and video variety will successfully E display ______^H^H^H^H^H^H in a useful fashion.  And those that don't 5 will still allow you to enter the tape number anyway.   I Paper and ink style terminals such as LA120's or Silent700's will not, of E course, erase the underlines.  They will usually be able to backspace 
 over them.  E But yes, on a typical video terminal, if a user types in 123, changes B her mind and hits delete three times will typically then be keying in at a prompt that reads:   Please enter tape number:   ___                           ^  ' This is probably not a serious concern.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:52:32 +0200 3 From: Wilm Boerhout <w5OLD.boerhout@PAINTplanet.nl>   Subject: Re: OpenVMS over VMWare6 Message-ID: <45392906$0$18782$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>   on 20-10-2006 4:27 dmp wrote... - > Thanks all for the discussion and insights. 
 > Hummm......   > LINUX -> VMWare -> SIMH -> VMS >  > Should be pretty slick, eh?  >   ! Been there, done that -- sort of:   F Windows X64 -> CHARON-AXP Alpha/VMS -> SIMH VAX/VMS -> SIMH PDP11 RSTS  E Everything compiles under the various C compilers. RSTS boooted, but  F obviously ran like a hog, STARTUP.CMD took hours. Didn't wait up, had 8 work to do. Could've played Adventure on RSTS otherwise.  ? Anyway, this proves that computer programs are finite machines.    Wilm   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:21:21 -0500 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> ' Subject: Re: R/C Plane with Video Servo 0 Message-ID: <45393DD1.F9822F05@spam.comcast.net>   Neil Rieck wrote:  >  > OK so check out this one. 6 > An RC controller airplane inside a school gymnasium.! > A true artist at the controls !  > X > http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=bee2a33b43f5b4de61cb0fdfb4983394.872669&fr=yvmtf  M Is there anyway to download these videos, or can they only be viewed on-line?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:54:28 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ' Subject: Re: R/C Plane with Video Servo < Message-ID: <45396f7f$0$14855$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  A "David J Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote in message  * news:45393DD1.F9822F05@spam.comcast.net... > Neil Rieck wrote:  >> >> OK so check out this one.7 >> An RC controller airplane inside a school gymnasium. " >> A true artist at the controls ! >>Y >> http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=bee2a33b43f5b4de61cb0fdfb4983394.872669&fr=yvmtf  > G > Is there anyway to download these videos, or can they only be viewed  
 > on-line? > L I don't think they can be download if they have been converted to flash. If J they're in MPEG format and haven't been restricted to streaming, the just  try right-clicking on them.   M BTW, for some reason the gymnasium demo at yahoo is now missing but the same  # thing can still be found at Google. U http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=4780990102198747537&q=gymnasium+airplane&hl=fr   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:56:22 -0600 & From: Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>- Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS ) Message-ID: <453937F6.5090306@parsec.com>    Schroeder, AJ wrote:  " > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > D >>In article <4537e741$0$10304$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, Jim Mehlhop >><jim@mehlhop.org> writes:  >>D >>>I'd like to know how to set up my VMS box as a news server.  I amG >>>running Multinet 5.1 and OpenVMS8.2 Alpha on a PWS500au with 640 meg E >>> and about 60 GB of free disk space.  I could probably dedicate an  >>>18GB disk for this. >>G >>Problem is that there is no current news server software for OpenVMS.  >  > F > Now there would be a project for someone - port INN over to OpenVMS. >  > D >>There used to be DNEWS from NETWINSITE (which I still use at home)G >>and ANUNEWS freeware. Both have been discontinued many years ago, but H >>still might work (I don't know if I could reinstall DNEWS if I need toA >>but it still runs on my V8.2 - and I still have problems - like  >>premature C >>expiration of posts - which won't get fixed anymore - but I can't  >>blame ? >>them, they got me my licenses for free! Thanks again, folks).  >>9 >>If you have more than one disk, run VOLSHAD every time!  >>E >>If you want to run a news server, think how many groups you want to  >>run G >>and if they are binary (Binary groups are umpteen GB a day, so a 18GB  >>willB >>last a couple of minutes/hours). Make your the disk is not a IDE >>disk, but G >>SCSI. IDE disks are only for storing the data (not for using the data  >>then).B >>Both my new 160GB IDE disks (with an ACARD USCSI Converter on my >>PWS433au) G >>died within days after being used by the newsserver (I got a warranty   >>replacement for both of them). >  > K > I run the news server for our company on *nix, which is a full text feed  O > with a couple of binary hierarchies, and it averages about 40 GB inbound and  I > 40GB outbound of traffic. A couple of my text-only peers are averaging  K > anywhere between 500-1000 MB per day, with tens of thousands of articles.  > J > With that being said not only do you need a big internet link, you need N > disks that can handle a lot of I/O. (like a HSG80 at minimum with RAID 0 or H > 0+1) AFAIK, the older versions of DNEWS do not have any other storage N > mechanisms than a "traditional" spool - which is every article is stored in E > a separate file, and I don't think VMS deals well with I/O of that  O > magnitude. There are other methods that try and deal with the huge volume of  N > usenet. INN has what is called CNFS (Cyclical News File System) that stores N > articles into large buffers rather than separate files. I do not know about O > ANUNEWS. For a full feed, some sort of buffered storage mechanism is a *must   > have* for a full feed. > F > I don't know what your intentions are for your newsfeed (full feed, K > text-only) and for readership on your server (do you plan on being relay  O > only or having readers on the same machine?) But if you plan on going with a  ? > full feed, you are looking at 250-300 GB per day of data. :)      F was looking to feed COV and the networking newsgroups so not a lot of  bandwidth. :-)     >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:04:07 -0600 & From: Jim Mehlhop <Mehlhop@parsec.com>- Subject: Re: Running a news server on OpenVMS ) Message-ID: <453939C7.6070007@parsec.com>    George Cook wrote:  V > In article <4538495E.90705@bluevine.net>, Marc Chametzky <marc@bluevine.net> writes: > G >>The last news server I ran on VMS was DNEWS (from NetWin). It worked  C >>much better on VMS since it used larger files that could contain  + >>hundreds of individual news items in them  >>K >>Unfortunately, they stopped developing the VMS version many years ago. I  D >>don't even know whether they still have it available for download. >  > H > We still run DNEWS on our cluster.  It works very well on VMS with anyH > TCP/IP which provides UCX emulation.  NetWin no longer develops it forK > any platform, but I believe the last VMS version is still in the download G > area.  It does, however, require a license key.  You might be able to F > talk them out of a key depending on what you plan to use it for (the( > license was free for educational use). > H > I also have the last version (V6.2-1) of ANUNews along with a patch or  > two for it if you need a copy. >  > 
 > George Cook  > WVNET    Thanks,  I'll let you know.    Jim    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 2006 18:11:13 GMT. From: JONESD@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. : Message-ID: <ehb3g1$j8p$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  2 In message <pi7_g.20437$E02.8121@newsb.telia.net>,(   <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> writes:@ >Yes, that was actualy was I ment to ask in the first place. :-); >Can Cobol be setup to call those cgi functions directly or : >does one need C-stubs ? I guess from what you wrote above >that C-stube *are* needed.   N I don't think wrappers are strictly needed, but it is probably less cumbersomeL performing a function than converts between COBOL native strings and C-styleN strings than setting up the arguments every time for direct calls to the cgi_*
 functions.      < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 271-6718- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St.              |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:04:38 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. - Message-ID: <453939E4.8D45DDE1@vaxination.ca>    Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: < > Can Cobol be setup to call those cgi functions directly or; > does one need C-stubs ? I guess from what you wrote above  > that C-stube *are* needed.  E Back in the 1980s, I had COBOL main program call up some C routines.    C The main bone of contention are strings.  COBOL passes fixed length H strings (whether as a pointer to the actually buffer, or as a pointer toH a descriptop which points to the buffer). This means in practice you are> passing around blank padded fixed length strings. C likes null terminated strings.   G For binary data, it is no problem, as long as you know which definition > in cobol generates a binary short word and a binary long word.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 15:48:21 -0700  From: "Doug" <dgroset@gmail.com>C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. C Message-ID: <1161384501.779024.109210@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote:  > Hi. @ > The "docs" that comes with the OSU web server kit has examplesE > files for C, Java, Perl and I think also Fortran in the latest kit.  > > > Now, does anyone see any particular reason why one shouldn't. > be able to use Cobol against the CGI API's ? > ; > I'm evaluating adding a few simple web "statistics" pages : > to an factory control system where the bulk of the logic6 > in the applications are in Cobol using VT-interfaces9 > (through a form management tool I've forgotted the name - > of, but is was not FMS or TDMS at least...)  > 9 > The plan is to keep the bulk program logic in Cobol but 9 > create som html instead of writing to the VT-interface.  > 7 > If the Cobol-way of doing thing isn't compatible with 9 > the OSU CGI APi's, I guess one can write a few C-stubs, 	 > right ?  >=20 > Best Regards,  > Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Oct 2006 01:26:04 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. + Message-ID: <4ptb9bFkgnbrU2@individual.net>   - In article <453939E4.8D45DDE1@vaxination.ca>, 1 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:  > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: = >> Can Cobol be setup to call those cgi functions directly or < >> does one need C-stubs ? I guess from what you wrote above >> that C-stube *are* needed.  > G > Back in the 1980s, I had COBOL main program call up some C routines.   > E > The main bone of contention are strings.  COBOL passes fixed length J > strings (whether as a pointer to the actually buffer, or as a pointer toJ > a descriptop which points to the buffer). This means in practice you are@ > passing around blank padded fixed length strings. C likes null > terminated strings.   D Actually, C doesn't care about null terminated strings any more thanG any other language.  You are free to create arrays of char that contain G strings in any format you prefer.  All you have to do is write routines E to deal with them.  It would not be particularly difficult to write a K library of string functions that did  not allow the dreaded buffer-overrun. F The only reason I can think of why this has never been done is lack of	 interest.   G And for all of you who feel much more comfortable with Ada, now that we H know there is no longer a DEC Ada and GNAT is the future, try writting aH program with a few strings in it, compile it with GNAT and then pass theJ executable thru the Unix "strings" command.  For those of you not familiarJ with it, it will find and print out the strings in a binary file.  It doesL this by looking for strings of ASCII that end in a null.  It usually returnsJ a lot of bogus strings cause lots of null terminated ASCII happens by pureI chance, but it also returns all the real strings.  Why do I mention this? G Because it will print out all the strings in your Ada program.  Anybody ( want to take a guess at what that means?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:00:58 -0400 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>C Subject: Re: Using Cobol when writing CGI's for the OSU web server. . Message-ID: <wbf_g.22664$2g4.17411@dukeread09>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:F > Actually, C doesn't care about null terminated strings any more thanI > any other language.  You are free to create arrays of char that contain I > strings in any format you prefer.  All you have to do is write routines  > to deal with them.   Not quite true.   < The compiler itself generate null terminated char arrays for string literals.  I > And for all of you who feel much more comfortable with Ada, now that we J > know there is no longer a DEC Ada and GNAT is the future, try writting aJ > program with a few strings in it, compile it with GNAT and then pass theL > executable thru the Unix "strings" command.  For those of you not familiarL > with it, it will find and print out the strings in a binary file.  It doesN > this by looking for strings of ASCII that end in a null.  It usually returnsL > a lot of bogus strings cause lots of null terminated ASCII happens by pureK > chance, but it also returns all the real strings.  Why do I mention this? I > Because it will print out all the strings in your Ada program.  Anybody * > want to take a guess at what that means?   The format is not a C string.   / The format appears to be (based on a hex dump):   	 * N bytes / * 0-7 nul bytes padding length to multipla of 8  * 4 bytes with 1 * 4 bytes with N   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:12:34 -0500 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> $ Subject: Re: VMS stuff available now0 Message-ID: <45393BC2.BA4E04C4@spam.comcast.net>   tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:  > - > Here is the direct link to the VMS products ( > www.cafepress.com/tardedmonkey/1969130 > = > Please report any other problems to me so I can pass it on.   ) Well, no mention of OpenVMS on that page.   ? However, this direct link will take you to the OpenVMS sticker:   - http://www.cafepress.com/tardedmonkey/1969381    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2006 20:50:11 -0700 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net$ Subject: Re: VMS stuff available nowC Message-ID: <1161402611.374977.180590@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Thanks If you click on the this link C www.cafepress.com/tardedmonkey/1969130 it will take you to the page D that has aprons/bags etc. Clicking on any of the icons will (should) display VMS stuff. 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