1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 31 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 598       Contents: Re: Advanced Server problem 1 Alpha VMS 8.3 upgrade using Inforserver emulation ! Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph 1 Re: Banking security Was:PARSEC: SPAMMERS (not !)  Business as usual then?  CSWB gripes  Re: CSWB gripes + Re: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it down   e: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph$ Re: e: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph$ Re: e: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph- EVA5000 and 300GB drive firmware (BD30058232) 1 Re: EVA5000 and 300GB drive firmware (BD30058232) 1 Re: EVA5000 and 300GB drive firmware (BD30058232)  Re: Fired Twice (a little tail)  Re: Fired Twice (a little tail)  Re: Fired Twice (a little tail) 1 FW: EVA5000 and 300GB drive firmware (BD30058232) 2 Re: getting write lock error while formatting tape2 Re: getting write lock error while formatting tape! Re: Itanium systems and DECCAMPUS ! Re: Itanium systems and DECCAMPUS  ITRC???  Re: ITRC???  Re: ITRC???  Re: ITRC??? D Re: Java vs. Javascript (was Java Applet pulled from VMS Web Server)- Re: Looking for EVKAA diagnostics for 11/780. " Motif & CDE open sourcing petition4 Re: Observations on Samba for VMS (CIFS Kit from HP)4 Re: Observations on Samba for VMS (CIFS Kit from HP), Re: OpenVMS v7.3-2 Bug in SORT/MERGE utility$ osu & vms  7.3-2 - web services list( Re: osu & vms  7.3-2 - web services list Re: PAKs for Itanium Re: PAKs for Itanium Re: PAKs for Itanium) Re: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card? ) Re: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card? ) Re: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card? ) Re: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card? ) Re: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card? % PWS 600 au keeps going into AlphaBIOS ) Re: PWS 600 au keeps going into AlphaBIOS ) Re: PWS 600 au keeps going into AlphaBIOS , strange shutdown problem with satellite node Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: TSZ07 Magnetic Tape Drive  Re: TSZ07 Magnetic Tape Drive ) VMSINSTALL bug VMS 8.2 Run_Image callback 3 What is a "File URL" as opposed to a "non-file URL" 7 Re: What is a "File URL" as opposed to a "non-file URL" P Re: why some times after inserting the tape in tape drive, comes out automaticalP Re: why some times after inserting the tape in tape drive, comes out automaticalP Re: why some times after inserting the tape in tape drive, comes out automaticalP Re: why some times after inserting the tape in tape drive, comes out automatical  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2006 13:01:35 -0800/ From: "BHall" <bill.hall@nav-international.com> $ Subject: Re: Advanced Server problemC Message-ID: <1162242095.653498.257890@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Kari wrote: A > I get strange error when adding a new share to Advanced Server:  > , > TKJR\\AHMA> add share tkjv3 c3$disk:[tkjv]1 > %PWRK-E-ERRADDSHARE, error adding share "TKJV3" ? > -LM-E-NERR_UNKNOWNDEV, the device or directory does not exist  >  > $ sho log *c3* >  >  > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > " >   "C3$DISK" = "_$1$DGA106:[C3.]" >  > $ dire c3$disk:[000000]  >  > Directory C3$DISK:[000000] >  > TKJV.DIR;1 >  > Total of 1 file. > A > Disk $1$DGA106: (AHMA), device type HSV110, is online, mounted,  > file-oriented I >     device, shareable, device has multiple I/O paths, served to cluster 
 > via MSCP' >     Server, error logging is enabled.  > > >     Error count                    0    Operations completed	 >   19193 3 >     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC 
 > [SYSTEM]2 >     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot > S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W = >     Reference count                3    Default buffer size 	 >     512 2 >     Current preferred CPU Id       1    Fastpath	 >       1 = >     WWID   01000010:6005-08B4-0001-54CC-0001-0000-00BB-0000 ; >     Total blocks           209715200    Sectors per track 	 >     128 = >     Total cylinders            12800    Tracks per cylinder 	 >     128 > >     Logical Volume Size    209715200    Expansion Size Limit > 330141696 & >     Allocation class               1 > @ >     Volume label            "AS-NET"    Relative volume number	 >       0 ; >     Cluster size                 201    Transaction count 	 >       1 ? >     Free blocks            209512953    Maximum files allowed 	 >  519097 5 >     Extend quantity                5    Mount count 	 >       2 4 >     Mount status              System    Cache name > "_$1$DGA100:XQPCACHE" H >     Extent cache size             64    Maximum blocks in extent cache
 > 20951295@ >     File ID cache size            64    Blocks in extent cache	 >       0 F >     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache	 >    3580 2 >     Volume owner UIC           [1,1]    Vol Prot > S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD  > I >   Volume Status:  ODS-5, subject to mount verification, file high-water 
 > marking,# >       write-back caching enabled. # >   Volume is also mounted on SUSI.  >  > / > OpenVMS 7.3-2, Advanced Server V7.3A. Ideas ?  >  > -Kari-  E Advanced Server automatically adds a hidden share for every disk that D is mounted when AS is started.  Did you start Advanced Server before? $1$DGA106: was mounted?  If AS is started before your disks are : mounted, you can execute $ADMIN SET COMPUTER computer_nameE /AUTOSHARE_SYNCHRONIZE.  This will create a hidden share for the disk F drive and you will then be able to add a new share on the drive.  ThisE ADMIN command will need to be executed as part of your system startup / procedures after all of your disks are mounted.    Bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:56:20 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>: Subject: Alpha VMS 8.3 upgrade using Inforserver emulation+ Message-ID: <Eiw1h.16146$DH5.3282@trnddc04>   H The RRD46 in my AlphaStation 200 4/100 broke again, so I tried using theG ESS$INFOSERVER stuff on my recently upgraded AS 1200 to do the upgrade.   F Worked great  - subjectively, it seemed faster than the 1200 upgradingG from its local RRD46!  This may have been because I was expecting it to J be much slower, or because the Infoserver emulation does loads of caching.  ) Anyway, thanks to the midnight engineers!    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2006 16:25:15 -0600% From: frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon) * Subject: Re: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph3 Message-ID: <pdJTsEINalro@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <53ec8$4543eff0$cef8887a$27735@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Sharon wrote: I >> 	Ha!  Actually we have!  We have one amazing Windows programmer who's  @ >> been tasked with designing and implementing a client for us.  > H > Was there ever a consideration for developing an X-windows front end ?  D 	Nope, market demand wanted Windoze, and all of our competition was  Windoze.  	  - Sharon " "Gravity...  is a harsh mistress!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:45:26 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>: Subject: Re: Banking security Was:PARSEC: SPAMMERS (not !)= Message-ID: <qDs1h.84947$lT5.59977@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:3 > Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:  > D >> Prior to European-wide acceptance of debit cards, there were EuroE >> Cheques. Now discontinued, but very handy in their day - you could F >> pop into another country for an evening meal and write a cheque out >> in the local currency.  > ' > Not in the UK you couldn't as a rule.   G Sure? I seem to remember that Euro-Cheques made out in pounds sterling  I were accepted in the UK. Or maybe that was only Euro-Cheques issued by a  )   UK bank and backed by a UK cheque card.      --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:58:11 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>   Subject: Business as usual then?1 Message-ID: <ei5vqp$6gc$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi Sue,   K Ok, so in summary, RTR boosts it's team by a dozen people so that it can be F ported to HP-UX and Windows and no longer have its future inextricablyL entwined with VMS's sinking ship, yet TCP/IP is so starved of resources thatL the one engineer working on IPsec is left floundering at the high-tide mark.L The more things change eh? God bless Process Software and multinet is what I say!  I So the Black Pearl sails off once more with a hull full of VMS's gold and C its crew soulless low-life. There will be a reckoning you bastards!    Cheers Richard Maher  ) PS. Not intending to shoot the messanger.   4 "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message; news:1162180518.131480.36710@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...  Dear News Group,   -----Original Message----- From: Skonetski, Susan) Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:26 PM  To: Skonetski, Susan> Subject: Updated VMS Information - please keep this for future	 reference     . Dear Internal and External Distribution lists,  B First I would like to apologize for the size of this email messageD however it is much better than sending individual messages to all ofF you.  I urge you to read this carefully since there is a great deal ofE important information included.  Everything other than the job can be  posted.    Warm Regards as always,  Sue    1. Time Sensitive  2. Announcements from Marketing & 3. Announcements from VMS Engineering: 4. Sue's Fav's 5. Partner AnnouncementsC 5.1 Attunity Announces New and Enhanced Features to Its Integration  Suite  5.2 Oracle Database 10gR2 A 5.3 CA Unicenter Network and System Management System Monitoring  Option for OpenVMS I64 r3.1 8 5.4 Process Software OpenVMS Security Webcast Invitation? 5.5 Announcing Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb, Release 3.2.0.0 Beta  Program ) 5.6 Cache versions running on OpenVMS 8.3  6. In the Press  7. Job's  E Nov 2nd - Court Square and NEMONIX to Present Open/VMS Life Extension , and Systems Management Webinar on November 2O http://photography.consumerelectronicsnet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=75368   B OpenVMS Technical Journal Articles are due November 15.  Here is aE preview of the articles so far, if I have missed anyone please let me  know.   @ Methodologies for Fixing DECnet Alignment Faults Ajo Jose Panoor9 OpenVMS Errorlog Analysis Made Easy Mike Hill, HP Germany + Setting up a VMS Web Server Willem Grooters C OpenVMS Mailboxes: Concepts, Programming, and Troubleshooting Bruce  Ellis + Advanced CD and DVD Recording Steve Hoffman > Everything you wanted to know about alignment faults Guy Peleg= OpenVMS Backup Products: ABS/MDMS and Data Protector Ted Saul 0 Simplifying Maintenance with DCL Bruce ClaremontL ____________________________________________________________________________ ____   2. Announcements from Marketing   F New Brochure' Delivering high availability and disaster tolerance in aE multi-operating-system HP Integrity server environment' Success Story D This success story presents reference architectures for a variety ofG scenarios that most enterprises encounter. The configurations are based C on HP-UX 11i, HP OpenVMS, Linux, and Microsoft Windows Server 2003, G that are fully supported on HP Integrity servers, as well as the new HP C Integrity NonStop server environment. Share this success story with @ your customers to demonstrate the outstanding capabilities of HP Integrity systems.8 http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-6737ENW.pdf  B There is a great new Integrity success story on the VMS home page.C Instead of giving you the URL directly here is how you find all the F success stories. Go to the HP OpenVMS home page (now is a good time to do this) here is the url: A http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ scroll down and you will see a heading E called success stories if you click on the Success Stories button you  will see them all.G The new one is ESME-Sudria they are a School of Engineering from France   A While you are there you might want to check out the new roadmaps.   L ____________________________________________________________________________ ___   & 3. Announcements from VMS Engineering:  E The SLS Engineering team is happy to announce the availability of SLS E V2.9J-ECO002. SLS Version V2.9J-ECO02 software provides the following  new feature/enhancement:D 1) SLS V2.9J-ECO02 is qualified on OpenVMS Alpha V8.3 (NEMO) system.G 2) Remote Device Facility (RDF) V4.3I is qualified to be used by SLS on   F    OpenVMS Alpha V8.3. Use of RDF V4.3I by SLS on OpenVMS VAX V7.3 and*    OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 and V8.2 continue.+ 3) Bug fixes since SLS V2.9J-ECO01 Release. 0  The kit can be obtained in the following ways -" 1) Internal location for download:9    The kit is copied to BULOVA in the following location: '     BULOVA::PUBLIC5$:[STORAGE.SLS.KITS] E    Depending on the Server/Client component, the kit comprises of the C    following ZIP files and release notes:  SLS_V29J_SERVER_ECO2.ZIP !  SLS_29J_SERVER_ECO02.REL_NOTES;1   SLS_V29J_CLIENT_ECO2.ZIP !  SLS_29J_CLIENT_ECO02.REL_NOTES;1 " 2) External location for download:? The kit is also uploaded to the ITRC website that is separately 	 available F for OpenVMS on VAX and Alpha. Following are the zip file names for the two different platforms:%    - SLS_AXPVMS_J029_E02_SERVER.ZIP;1 %    - SLS_AXPVMS_J029_E02_CLIENT.ZIP;1 %    - SLS_VAXVMS_J029_E02_SERVER.ZIP;1 %    - SLS_VAXVMS_J029_E02_CLIENT.ZIP;1   	 --------- B JDK/JRE 5.0-2 for OpenVMS on AlphaServer Systems for Java PlatformD Based on Sun's Java 2 Platform, this release passes all the tests in' Sun's Java Compatibility Kit test suite % http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/alpha/  -----------   5 HP Reliable Transaction Router (RTR): Field Test Kits F HP Reliable Transaction Router (RTR) is a fault-tolerant transactional; messaging middleware used to provide continuous application D availability. Field test kits are available for HP Integrity serversG running HP-UX11i, OpenVMS, Microsoft Windows and Red Hat Linux, as well + as for AlphaServer systems running OpenVMS:   http://www.hp.com/products1/rtr/  ; ___________________________________________________________    4. Sue's Fav's  C In January we will be starting a contest.  The prize will be a free D registration to the OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Camp the week ofC May 21, 2007.  The contest will be for folks that have accounts on: E http://www.trysecureserver.com/  this is VMS web based email and much F more.  You will have to have an active account and be using it in some creative way (to be decided)  G http://www.alternet.org/story/42641/  this is an awesome article titled : White-Collar Workers Unite! I really enjoyed reading this.    : Keep an eye/ear out of something like podcasts coming from www.openvms.org.    E Ok this is the first time I have every put in a book that I have read D as a Sue Fav BUT the Blue Nowhere by Jeffery Deaver is now one of myF favorite books, it could be because it mentions VMS for the first timeG on page 76 "serious hackers use Digital Equipment Corporations VMS".  I  guess I am easy to thrill   A interesting article of a Web application running on OpenVMS which E handle a very high traffic :-) using WASD (thank you to Jean-Franois  and Mark Daniel)  B http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/other/can_wasd_handle_the_load.html   This caught my attention -o http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20061016005431&newsLang=en     ? Crossroads Systems to Exhibit at ITUG Summit 2006 (VTS, a fully > integrated virtual tape hardware and software solution,VirtualC TapeServer also simultaneously supported many other systems such as @ HP-UX, HP OpenVMS, IBM AIX, IBM OS/400, Unisys MCP, Sun Solaris,D Linux and Microsoft Windows systems. VTS is sold and supported byB HP's NonStop Enterprise Division on an OEM basis and stands as theG only virtual tape product certified for use on the HP NonStop platform.      Sue,  F After reading your Sue Faves, I need to share this with you.  I have aD very close friend in Arizona that built an ISP that is 100% OpenVMS.F It is a combination of VAX and Alpha Clustered.  He uses VMS mail that@ is POP3 enabled and is WEB accessable.  He has been building hisE customer base since 2001 in Florence, AZ and has done so well that he F finally quit his regular job to run his ISP.  He has an antenna in hisE back yard for broad band and keeps the VMS servers cooled down in his ? bed room closet.  Like he says, he never worries about going on D vacation.  If there is a power loss the VMS servers will just rebootG and start backup and he doesn't worry about Hackers, viruses, or worms. )  Well worms maybe, while he goes fishing. 3 ___________________________________________________    5. Partner Announcements    C 5.1 Attunity Announces New and Enhanced Features to Its Integration 
 Suite  ...  E Other AIS 5.0 additions to Attunity Stream include support for Adabas C running on OpenVMS, and for DB2/400 with support for System Managed B Journals, both again enabling the capture and movement of only the7 changes made in either of these source database systems   + For the complete press release please visit c http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-23-2006/0004456879&EDATE=   A 5.2 Oracle Database 10gR2 for OpenVMS on HP Integrity servers now E available http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/oracle/10gr2_oracle.html  --------------F 5. 3 Unicenter Network and System Management System Monitoring OptionF for OpenVMS I64 r3.1 We are very proud to announce that the UnicenterE NSM System Monitoring Option for OpenVMS I64 product is now generally E available. You can obtain more information about the new features and , functionality for this product at this link.  5 The product is available for electronic download from C www.supportconnect.com and is in all the distribution centers.  The F product support home page on supportconnect can be found here.  Please@ contact you CA account representative for licensing information.  
 Sincerely,  ? The Unicenter NSM System Monitoring Option for OpenVMS I64 r3.1  Development Team ----------------% 5.4 Process Software OpenVMS Security  Webcast Invitation  B Don't risk unauthorized users gaining access to vital information.F Learn how you can secure your OpenVMS systems and data with the latest! technology from Process Software.    Date: Friday, November 3, 2006 Time: 3:00 - 4:00 EST ) Click Here to Pre-register for the Event:   9 http://www.talkpoint.com/viewer/starthere.asp?pres=114829   2 Conference call number: (877)844-5039; ID# 8573429   Watch and Win!!   G You can be eligible to win an iPod by registering for an attending this 8 event! A drawing will be held at the end of the webinar.   What you will learn:  > * Authentication and encryption options used for securing dataA * Product overview of VMS Authentication Module and SSH Solutions 2 * Best practices for securing your OpenVMS systems  8 --------------------------------------------------------@ 5. 5 Announcing Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb, Release 3.2.0.0 Beta Program   F Oracle is pleased to announce the opening of the beta test program forG Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb, Release 3.2.0.0. The Oracle ODBC Driver for G Rdb allows for applications to attach, query, and manipulate Oracle Rdb D databases through the standard ODBC protocol. The Oracle ODBC DriverB for Rdb uses the Oracle SQL/Services client and server software to@ submit requests to and receive responses from an Oracle Rdb dataA source. DECnet or Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol G (TCP/IP) communications protocol is used for communications between the : Oracle SQL/Services client and Oracle SQL/Services server.  B The new major feature available for test in Release 3.2.0.0 is theE implementation of catalogs and schemas into a variety of the ODBC API D functions. Please see the release notes for detailed information. ToG join the Oracle ODBC Driver for Rdb, Release 3.2.0.0 Beta please visit: Y http://otnbeta.us.oracle.com/pls/portal30/PORTAL30.wwa_app_module.show?p_sessionid=262005   : ----------------------------------------------------------F 5. 6 The following previously-released Cache versions have been testedE on and are now available for HP Alpha systems running OpenVMS release  8.3:       Cache 5.0.21  
     Cache 5.2   F Cache 5.2 for OpenVMS Itanium is currently being tested on OpenVMS 8.3) and should be announced later this month.      InterSystems Corporation One Memorial Drive Cambridge, MA 02142 USA  +1 617 621 0600  www.intersystems.com  / _______________________________________________    6. In the Press   F http://www.whatpc.co.uk/itweek/comment/2166050/itanium-zero-hero - Can Itanium go from zero to hero?   G http://www.echannelline.com/usa/story.cfm?item=21276 Intel's Itanium --  time to reconsider?   E http://www.itjungle.com/tfh/tfh100206-story01.html Bang for the Buck: ! Big Iron Boxes, Even Bigger Bucks   E http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsID=6958&pagtype=all & Is it time to ditch your AlphaServers?  B http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=164012 AEPD Networks Announces Latest Generation Netilla Security Platform (NSP) SSL VPN Product    http://tinyurl.com/u3w7o or  http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=operating_systems&articleId=265674&taxonomyId=89&intsrc=kc_top , AlphaServer Users Face Decisions on Hardware  C http://www.noticias.info/asp/aspComunicados.asp?nid=225657&src=0 CA = HARVEST CHANGE MANAGER 7.1 MANAGES, AUTOMATES AND ACCELERATES 7 APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES ACROSS THE ENTERPRISE   9 http://www.hpcwire.com/hpc/955963.html Itanium Enthusiasm     o http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20061017005196&newsLang=en A - PTC Windchill PDMLink Extends Support To HP Itanium Servers ; ___________________________________________________________    7    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:06:15 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: CSWB gripes$ Message-ID: <ei641m$4mf$2@online.de>  H Two things bother me about CSWB.  Perhaps someone knows how to fix them.  H First, when a new window is opened, it opens in the CDE workspace where G CSWB is running AND the current workspace.  I want it ONLY in the CSWB  I workspace.  (Suppose a select a link which brings up another window.  In  F the meantime, I do something in another workspace.  I don't want that  new window there.)  F Second, when I open a link in a new tab (as opposed to creating a new H blank tab), I DO NOT want that tab to become the current tab.  (Firefox I has what I consider the correct behaviour: open the link in the new tab,  1 but leave the tab where I am as the current tab.)    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2006 17:09:52 -0800/ From: "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>  Subject: Re: CSWB gripesC Message-ID: <1162256991.987879.268510@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   = On Oct 31, 12:06 am, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip ( Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:J > Two things bother me about CSWB.  Perhaps someone knows how to fix them. > I > First, when a new window is opened, it opens in the CDE workspace where H > CSWB is running AND the current workspace.  I want it ONLY in the CSWBJ > workspace.  (Suppose a select a link which brings up another window.  InG > the meantime, I do something in another workspace.  I don't want that  > new window there.) > G > Second, when I open a link in a new tab (as opposed to creating a new I > blank tab), I DO NOT want that tab to become the current tab.  (Firefox J > has what I consider the correct behaviour: open the link in the new tab,3 > but leave the tab where I am as the current tab.)    To address the second issue...= In Preferences -> Navigator -> Tabbed Browsing -> Tab display $ select load links in the background.  , Don't know about the first -- don't use CDE.   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:05:53 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>4 Subject: Re: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it down) Message-ID: <ei6b1u$2oo1$1@pyrite.mv.net>    Rich Jordan wrote:  $ > If that doesn't work... what next?  B    Swap the box for another?   Are you expending effort trying to I service an AlphaServer DS10L box that could potentially be replaced more  G economically?  (That might seem flippant, but Island and various other  , sources of used equipment can and do exist.)  C    As for your more immediate question, memory would be an obvious  I target, and what you're describing could easily be thermal -- memory can  D be swapped, though there can also be thermal issues with any of the 4 components on the motherboard or most anywhere else.  C    The brute-force approach for finding these can involve a remote  H temperature probe -- remote sensors are available for about US$100, and H use a laser dot to indicate where the temperature is being read from -- E and -- with rather more risk to the system and/or yourself, the very  H careful use of a heat gun.  The first to look for hot spots, the second I to cause even higher heat and to attempt to trigger the fault.  This can  @ easily permanently damage your hardware -- I don't recommend it.  E    I'd be tempted to get another AlphaServer DS10L box, and use your   existing box for spares.  :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2006 16:24:15 -0600% From: frey@encompasserve.org (Sharon) ) Subject: e: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph 3 Message-ID: <bk2PBcqSbEdW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <86bb4$4543ef28$cef8887a$27557@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Sharon wrote:  > H >> 	Um, nope, actually it was TOTAL downtime to the entire group of 911 N >> dispatchers.  The dispatching system is what ties all the other components R >> together; phones, radios, etc. like a hub.  Although it takes advantage of VMS Q >> clustering to provide quick failover, there's no way to do a phased switchout   >> of the hardware.  > K > What sort of hardware made it impossible for you to just failover from a   > VAX to an Alpha ?  > K > Not meant as a criticism, just trying to understand various scenarios of  J > hardware/telecom/OS gear around a computer that allow or disallow rapid  > failover.   F 	Just standard DEC hardware, anything from Vax 4000 to DS10 to ES40.  L Configure two nodes as a cluster.  Use DECservers for serial interfaces and P TPCIP for IP interfaces.  The failover is actually implemented in the software. O If something bad enough happens, the software forces a VMS bugcheck.  (Brutal,  L I know, but this ensures that the interfaces are all released.)  There is a M copy of the same software running on the other node and it periodically sends G a "hello" to the primary system.  If it doesn't get an answer, it just  2 initializes all the interfaces and there you go.  D 	Since the "database" is just a directory full of RMS files, that's L already being shared.  Sometimes our failover application does poop out and O manual intervention is required.  But I remember at least one occasion where I  L reported to work one morning to discover that my dispatchers were using the M backup node and nobody noticed.  (You do get a few seconds hesitation in the  3 response time during the cluster state transition.)   K > There is a lot more to fault tolerance than just the OS and applications  I > unless your application does no IO with the outside world. I think you  C > could/should make a fascinating presentation at DECUS user group  H > meetings. And if that system (and you!) become famous because it is a F > showcase for reliability and smart management/planning, your bosses : > might not be so interested in replacing it with Windows.  F 	It would have been better back in our heyday, which strangely enough P paralleled DEC's heyday.  Back when this product had around 80% of the nation's N 911 dispatching market share locked up.  These days.. I don't know our market 3 share but it's much, much lower than it used to be. G 	Also one of our gurus would be better at making the presentation than  O I.  I'm still learning, but the Macro modules are sometimes a bit beyond me. I  O can read them and say ok we're putting X in this register and then moving that  L to there, etc.  But I have trouble getting the big-picture sense of what is L happening.  I liken macro programming to mowing the lawn with tweezers.  :-)  	  - Sharon " "Gravity...  is a harsh mistress!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:51:59 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>- Subject: Re: e: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph - Message-ID: <4546901D.8D2190BE@vaxination.ca>   
 Sharon wrote: C >  I liken macro programming to mowing the lawn with tweezers.  :-)     @ I think that this pharase is worth preserving for eternity !!!!!   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:08:12 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)- Subject: Re: e: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph $ Message-ID: <ei645c$4mf$3@online.de>  6 In article <4546901D.8D2190BE@vaxination.ca>, JF Mezei( <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:    > Sharon wrote: E > >  I liken macro programming to mowing the lawn with tweezers.  :-)  > B > I think that this pharase is worth preserving for eternity !!!!!  I I cannot help but note that a certain regular contributor here has found  F a much more efficient method involving running his lawn mower on TECO.* Same amount of obscurity, much more power!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:17:14 -0600 + From: "Forster, Michael" <mforster@mcw.edu> 6 Subject: EVA5000 and 300GB drive firmware (BD30058232)J Message-ID: <EEE1E47094AB7C4DA2868E679EA488F80F3401DD@MCWMAIL.mcwcorp.net>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FC60.63BB0061  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="us-ascii" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable    Hi,    =20   B I can't locate anything definitive on HP or Google regarding this:   =20   E EVA5000 with existing BD30058232 drives at firmware level HP02 and we D purchased and received new BD30058232 drives at firmware level HP03.   =20   ? HP EVA docset specifies HP02 firmware and going to the firmware 2 downloads lists HP02 only without mention of HP03.   =20   ' Any comments prior to me contacting HP?     ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FC60.63BB0061  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="us-ascii" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   ; <html xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = 3 xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = * xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">   <head>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Dus-ascii">G <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)">  <style>  <!--  /* Style Definitions */)  p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal 
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especially if the drive looks different.J There are numerous brand of disk - Fujitsu Maxtor Seagate IBM who all sell their wares to HP./ For each drive there will be different firmware   % I would suggest not worrying about it        --   Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 x201# Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com % (You know what to do with the dashes) 6 "Forster, Michael" <mforster@mcw.edu> wrote in messageD news:EEE1E47094AB7C4DA2868E679EA488F80F3401DD@MCWMAIL.mcwcorp.net... Hi,       B I can't locate anything definitive on HP or Google regarding this:      E EVA5000 with existing BD30058232 drives at firmware level HP02 and we D purchased and received new BD30058232 drives at firmware level HP03.      ? HP EVA docset specifies HP02 firmware and going to the firmware 2 downloads lists HP02 only without mention of HP03.      ' Any comments prior to me contacting HP?    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:27:38 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) : Subject: Re: EVA5000 and 300GB drive firmware (BD30058232)[ Message-ID: <rdeininger-3010062228220001@dialup-4.233.173.140.dial1.manchester1.level3.net>   J In article <EEE1E47094AB7C4DA2868E679EA488F80F3401DD@MCWMAIL.mcwcorp.net>,, "Forster, Michael" <mforster@mcw.edu> wrote:  - >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.    MIME we hates...    F >EVA5000 with existing BD30058232 drives at firmware level HP02 and weE >purchased and received new BD30058232 drives at firmware level HP03.   J It is fairly common for new firmware to make it to new hardware before the> same firmware is released on the HP web for customers to find.  F If you've found the HP web page with the older firmware, and the newerJ firmware isn't there, it's a fairly safe bet that the newer firmware isn't available yet.  # Is there a particular concern here?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:21:11 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>( Subject: Re: Fired Twice (a little tail), Message-ID: <454650a8$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message A news:L-ednfaSEtK51dvYnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  > FredK wrote:9 > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message E > > news:w8OdnTL6l5rNn9jYnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  > >> Neil Rieck wrote: > >>J > >> And I do get the impression that they're 99.9+% worthless, making theK > >> search for useful content there a pretty poor use of one's time.  This K > >> blog, for example, appears to be written by a Johnny-One-Note with too L > >> much time on his hands and apparently (from the paucity of comments) noL > >> audience to speak of, let alone one sufficiently interested to create aH > >> less boring environment:  that may be useful catharsis for the blogC > >> owner, but from the viewpoint of the Internet it's just noise.  > >> > > K > > It would seem to make you a perfect candidate for having your own blog.  > I > Nah - my observations tend to generate *lots* of interesting discussion H > (though admittedly sometimes also including the occasional incompetent > response such as yours). >   K Hmmm.  Perhaps they generate lots of replies - but heck, I've seen hundreds L of replies to all kinds of dreck.  As to "interesting" - I suppose listeningH to your one-note obsessions along with your inevitable name calling - is- interesting to "somebody" - it's a big world.   F The funny thing is that a sucessful blog requires that the writer haveJ something interesting to say - because to get people to read it means thatI the readers have to actively seek it out.  Prolific writers in newsgroups L however, need not be interesting, smart, funny, observant, or "right" - just persistent.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:53:35 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ( Subject: Re: Fired Twice (a little tail)< Message-ID: <4546c848$0$14812$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  6 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message A news:w8OdnTL6l5rNn9jYnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  > Neil Rieck wrote:  [...snip...] > K > I've not yet become a convert to the world of blogging:  while once in a  L > while I get into a conversation on one having blundered in from somewhere G > else, they just don't seem to offer nearly as stimulating a level of  ( > interactivity as Usenet or Web forums. > H > And I do get the impression that they're 99.9+% worthless, making the B > search for useful content there a pretty poor use of one's time. >   I Many blogs are worthless (to me) while others seem to have more value. I  J guess it depends on personal interests. A book I'm currently reading made K the following claim: "the growth of the human population is linear but the  M growth of the communication channels between is exponential". Blogs are just  K an example of one of the new channels but only time will tell if they will   be around in 5 years.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:43:13 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: Fired Twice (a little tail)G Message-ID: <nZidnVPnbYYfbdvYnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    FredK wrote:7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message C > news:L-ednfaSEtK51dvYnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  >> FredK wrote: 9 >>> "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message E >>> news:w8OdnTL6l5rNn9jYnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  >>>> Neil Rieck wrote: >>>>J >>>> And I do get the impression that they're 99.9+% worthless, making theK >>>> search for useful content there a pretty poor use of one's time.  This K >>>> blog, for example, appears to be written by a Johnny-One-Note with too L >>>> much time on his hands and apparently (from the paucity of comments) noL >>>> audience to speak of, let alone one sufficiently interested to create aH >>>> less boring environment:  that may be useful catharsis for the blogC >>>> owner, but from the viewpoint of the Internet it's just noise.  >>>>K >>> It would seem to make you a perfect candidate for having your own blog. J >> Nah - my observations tend to generate *lots* of interesting discussionI >> (though admittedly sometimes also including the occasional incompetent  >> response such as yours).  >> > M > Hmmm.  Perhaps they generate lots of replies - but heck, I've seen hundreds # > of replies to all kinds of dreck.   B Indeed, interesting conversations aren't the *only* generators of I replies:  my point (since as usual you apparently need it spelled out in  I words of one syllable) was that the blog in question generated virtually  H no replies at all, and thus differed qualitatively in that respect from  my own efforts.   ,    As to "interesting" - I suppose listeningJ > to your one-note obsessions along with your inevitable name calling - is/ > interesting to "somebody" - it's a big world.   B Ah - another substantive difference with the blogger in question. @ You've demonstrated more than adequately over time that reading D comprehension is not your strong suit, so the fact that my range of G interests (and comments) is moderately broad may have escaped you.  Of  C course, since you're employed by a company, and work on a hardware  H platform, whose faults I've felt deserved continuing exposure over more F than five years now, it's perhaps not entirely surprising that you're B inclined to view these efforts as my sole interests, when in fact G they're more of a side-show (just one which I feel some sense of civic  G responsibility to keep alive - an activity which even now continues to  2 generate significant interest here, I might note).   > H > The funny thing is that a sucessful blog requires that the writer haveL > something interesting to say - because to get people to read it means that+ > the readers have to actively seek it out.   , Exactly my point about the blog in question.  !    Prolific writers in newsgroups N > however, need not be interesting, smart, funny, observant, or "right" - just
 > persistent.   B I tend to agree:  they only need to be interesting, smart, funny, H observant, and/or right to *succeed* in their efforts.  I think that if H you contrast the sentiment here just after June 25, 2001 (which I would F characterize as upset, confused, but in general willing to follow the G Compaq party line) with the mood which has developed since then you'll  A see some significant success in having turned it around (and the  H perception of Itanic in the wider world as well, though I can take only - a small amount of the credit for the latter).   C Your problem, Fred, is that while I suspect that you're reasonably  H competent technically, in other ways you're either out-right dishonest, E a real dolt, or just plain lazy:  you defend the party line (whether  G corporately or politically) to all appearances less out of any serious  F conviction than because that's more comfortable than the alternative, 3 and resent people who might challenge that comfort.   F Tough shit, buddy:  when you base your own comfort on the distress of H others, don't expect a smooth ride.  After over 5 years of lies, broken D commitments, outrageously over-optimistic projections, and repeated B incremental reductions in VMS support from cHumPaq you're *still* F pimping for them and sniping at those pesky, inconvenient 'naysayers' H who were indeed right all along.  I'm glad I wasn't still around to see I that degree of change from what one's job description used to be at DEC:  D   'do the right thing' wasn't just a slogan, at least to some of us.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:26:50 -0600 + From: "Forster, Michael" <mforster@mcw.edu> : Subject: FW: EVA5000 and 300GB drive firmware (BD30058232)J Message-ID: <EEE1E47094AB7C4DA2868E679EA488F80F3404F1@MCWMAIL.mcwcorp.net>  " Hi David, thanks for the response!  H I called HP and it turns out there is another wrinkle - the VCS version.C VCS 3.028 would need a disk firmware downgrade to HP02, and the VCS 2 4.004 handles mixed firmware levels as you advise.     -----Original Message-----F From: Island Computers, D B Turner [mailto:dturner-at-islandco.com]=20& Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:05 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com : Subject: Re: EVA5000 and 300GB drive firmware (BD30058232)  G They could be a different brand drive that HP has just started shipping H Oftentimes you don't need to worry about firmware issues - especially if the  drive looks different.E There are numerous brand of disk - Fujitsu Maxtor Seagate IBM who all  sell their wares to HP./ For each drive there will be different firmware   % I would suggest not worrying about it        --=20  Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 x201# Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com % (You know what to do with the dashes) 6 "Forster, Michael" <mforster@mcw.edu> wrote in messageD news:EEE1E47094AB7C4DA2868E679EA488F80F3401DD@MCWMAIL.mcwcorp.net... Hi,       B I can't locate anything definitive on HP or Google regarding this:      E EVA5000 with existing BD30058232 drives at firmware level HP02 and we D purchased and received new BD30058232 drives at firmware level HP03.      ? HP EVA docset specifies HP02 firmware and going to the firmware 2 downloads lists HP02 only without mention of HP03.      ' Any comments prior to me contacting HP?    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2006 14:33:41 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ; Subject: Re: getting write lock error while formatting tape 3 Message-ID: <hZA2xPlBp8To@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <1162212966.520330.282870@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> writes:  > Hi > H > I am using Initialize mka700: job1 command to format tape but it gives > wrtie lock error.  > Plz help me .  >   A    You might try moving the write-lock tab on the tape cartridge.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:53:36 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>; Subject: Re: getting write lock error while formatting tape ) Message-ID: <ei6aat$2ohn$1@pyrite.mv.net>    alok wrote:   H > I am using Initialize mka700: job1 command to format tape but it gives > wrtie lock error.   F    I'm going to assume that this is a DLT tape device and that you're I using an incompatible DLT drive -- and that you're familiar with the DLT  H write-lock mechanism.  This can be seen with a lower-density drive in a G higher-density device, and there are cases such as attempting to use a  G TK70 drive to write to a tape previously initialized in a TK50.  Newer  4 drives can often read older drives, but can't write.  H    There are lists of read-only and read-write compatibility of various I DLT drives and DLT cartridges over in the old Ask The Wizard (ATW) area,  F too.  Tables such as these can help you determine what DLT cartridges * will work with what DLT drives, obviously.  H    I'm unfortunately assuming a whole lot here about this case (not the F least of which is that this is DLT), as there is unfortunately rather A little information on the configuration here -- one- or two-line  E questions are often surprisingly difficult for folks to answer.  The  I identification of the tape drive (eg: SHOW DEVICE MKA700: /FULL) and the  E identity of the particular media or cartridge type in use here would  E greatly assist with answering this question.  Some background on the  / configuration and the question, in other words.   D    DLT cartridges have a write-lock slider on the spine, nine-track E magtapes have a write ring near the hub, DDS (DLT) cartridges have a  G write-lock hatch on the spine, TU58 tapes have an L-shaped write-lock,  B and most other tape media has some sort of physical setting.  I'm ; assuming you've set the write-lock correctly here, however.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:05:57 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>* Subject: Re: Itanium systems and DECCAMPUS+ Message-ID: <Frw1h.16149$DH5.7993@trnddc04>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:. > In article <hW9U9vGYFh6o@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>,6 > 	nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes: > . >>In article <4qebg4FmopibU1@individual.net>, / >>   bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >> >>/ >>>In article <ehssl0$f7p$2@south.jnrs.ja.net>, $ >>>	david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: >>> O >>>>We never went for the Educational license grant program for base licenses - ' >>>>the license seemed too restrictive   >>> I >>>That's what pretty much everyone (outside of HP) said, but attempts to F >>>convince them that they had a flawed understanding of what we do at/ >>>colleges and universities fell on deaf ears.  >>>  >>H >>   Never quite understood that complaint, I'm using them and they workN >>fine for my purposes - I guess you must be wanting to do something differentG >>though. Other than no processing for third parties and having to name K >>someone to be responsible for agreeing they will be used that way I don't  >>see an issue.  >  > F > Well, the current one is a little better, but still enough to make aJ > lawyer shudder.  It contains a major ambiguity (but not in anything thatH > affected my use),  Originally, it required "A Professor" to be the oneF > agreeing to the license. Yeah, like that was ever going to happen!!  >  > Q >>>>                                    and the licenses were time limited so you # >>>>had to get new ones every year.  >>> L >>>Got bit by that one the last semester we actually had educational systemsL >>>in use here in the CS Department.  They expired the first week of school.K >>>I imagine most people here can picture how impressed the professors were  >>>over that!! >>>  >>Q >>   The time limit is a bit of a pain, but no more so than the hobbyist program. P >>The licenses always expire at the end of August. You can go to the edu websiteL >>and request new ones anytime in August, so there's a one month period eachO >>year in which you have to download and install the new licenses. For the half M >>dozen machines I have under the program this takes under an hour from start  >>to finish. >  > I > Yeah, ours expired about 8 days into the new semester and, for wahtever M > reason, I had been unable to get new ones before this happened.  for pretty J > much any school I know of June 31st would have been a much wiser choice.  % ----------------------------^^^^^^^^^    Is that like the 12th of Never?     J > Which contributes to my statement that HP doesn't have a clue about even5 > the most basic concepts of this potential customer.  > J > In my case, it is now moot.  I do not expect to ever see VMS in use hereG > again in the future.  Not that I think HP gives a tinker's damn about  > the edu market anyway. >    > bill >      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 2006 01:30:23 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)* Subject: Re: Itanium systems and DECCAMPUS+ Message-ID: <4qnn9fFnivmqU1@individual.net>   + In article <Frw1h.16149$DH5.7993@trnddc04>, # 	John Santos <john@egh.com> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>  N >>         I had been unable to get new ones before this happened.  for prettyK >> much any school I know of June 31st would have been a much wiser choice.  > ' > ----------------------------^^^^^^^^^  > ! > Is that like the 12th of Never?  >   & Hmmmm...  Now where did I go wrong????  , 30 days hath September, April and Tuesday...   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:49:57 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: ITRC???0 Message-ID: <00A5DFD4.46DD697A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  G I know I had an account on this ITRC thing but I don't remember the ID. G The stupid "I forgot the User ID or Password" page say it will send you G the User ID but, Duh?, you have to supply the User ID.  See the problem  here?   G I'm getting no support and no answers to questions that I have.  I fig- / ured that I'd use this ITRC as a last resort.     H It would be a whole lot easier if HP would just let me put in an ID that% I choose so that I could remember it.   H In the meantime, what causes LDR$LOAD_IMAGE to return ACCVIO on Itanium?   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:41:37 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: ITRC???$ Message-ID: <ei62jh$1b5$4@online.de>  9 In article <00A5DFD4.46DD697A@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-   @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:   I > I know I had an account on this ITRC thing but I don't remember the ID. I > The stupid "I forgot the User ID or Password" page say it will send you I > the User ID but, Duh?, you have to supply the User ID.  See the problem  > here?   @ Reminds me of the infamous "keyboard not found...hit any key to  continue" message.  :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2006 17:00:15 -0800< From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: ITRC???C Message-ID: <1162256415.104193.114080@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Hi there Brian,   / google: +Schenkenberger +site:itrc.hp.com   --> U http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/publicProfile.do?userId=CA1226205&forumId=1   9 CA1226205 is the system name for the account you created.   A You could just grab a fresh name... and find it is already in use  because it is you? :-)    E Send me Email if you still have trouble and I'll forward to a 'higher 
 itrc god'.E The lesser VMS specific forum gods are all gone.. moi, John Gillings, 
 Guy Peleg.  M >> > In the meantime, what causes LDR$LOAD_IMAGE to return ACCVIO on Itanium?    Bad user code ?    :^)    Hein.      VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: I > I know I had an account on this ITRC thing but I don't remember the ID. I > The stupid "I forgot the User ID or Password" page say it will send you I > the User ID but, Duh?, you have to supply the User ID.  See the problem  > here?  > I > I'm getting no support and no answers to questions that I have.  I fig- / > ured that I'd use this ITRC as a last resort.  > J > It would be a whole lot easier if HP would just let me put in an ID that' > I choose so that I could remember it.  > J > In the meantime, what causes LDR$LOAD_IMAGE to return ACCVIO on Itanium? >  > --M > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM 
 >             6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:48:17 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: ITRC???0 Message-ID: <00A5DFED.30B8939E@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <1162256415.104193.114080@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> writes: >  >  >Hi there Brian, > 0 >google: +Schenkenberger +site:itrc.hp.com   -->V >http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/publicProfile.do?userId=CA1226205&forumId=1 > : >CA1226205 is the system name for the account you created. > B >You could just grab a fresh name... and find it is already in use >because it is you? :-)  >  > F >Send me Email if you still have trouble and I'll forward to a 'higher >itrc god'. F >The lesser VMS specific forum gods are all gone.. moi, John Gillings, >Guy Peleg.  > N >>> > In the meantime, what causes LDR$LOAD_IMAGE to return ACCVIO on Itanium? >  >Bad user code ?  J Doubtful. LDR$LOAD_IMAGE is called in exec mode with a handle and the exec name.   H I can load a simple execlet with a routine that just returns success andJ an init routine that establishes where the routine is located when loaded. This loads and works.     H I have and execlet that contains ONLY DATA and it causes an ACCVIO error( code to be returned (^x0C).  Very weird.     --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:30:50 -0500 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>M Subject: Re: Java vs. Javascript (was Java Applet pulled from VMS Web Server) 7 Message-ID: <45469936$0$49195$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>    Neil Rieck wrote: J > Today you will hear many large companies refer to Java by another name, 1 > ECMAscript (which may not be entirely accurate) ) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecmascript    Murphys law in action.  3 You wanted to emphasize the difference between Java  and JavaScript, and then ...   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2006 13:33:07 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 6 Subject: Re: Looking for EVKAA diagnostics for 11/780.3 Message-ID: <2LFEPQ6iU0t0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <voadncb8svxZHNzYnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com>, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:  > C > The question, than, is can 11/780 OpenVMS run on a 780 with those  > instructions?  Maybe not.   E    11/780 shipped with all the instructions standard except the G and >    H float instructions, which were optional.  Later on vectorH    instructions were added to the architecture, but VMS does not requireI    them to boot, and will emulate them when not found.  The emulation of  I    unimplemented instrutions is in an exception handler that is probably  ?    not model dependent (emulation of the vector instructions is H    optionally loadable), models which implement those instructions just     don't raise that exception.  E    Rule of thumb: VMS (Open or not) is not built in a model-dependent E    manner.  Older versions of VMS will not recognise and therefor not A    support newer systems.  Older versions of VMS may not have any @    support for later I/O hardware.  Newer versions of VMS run onE    anything that has enough disk space except the 11/782, but testing E    and formal support for older models gets dropped.  VMS Engineering A    doesn't have the time to remove the code that makes VMS run on E    older I/O busses et. al.  You'll find few exceptions to this rule.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:09:03 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Motif & CDE open sourcing petition , Message-ID: <4546E862.569E597C@teksavvy.com>  F There is a petition going on to make CDE and MOTIF truly open sourced.  , For more information on the petition. Visit. http://www.marutan.net/cde/ . or jump straight to signing the petition here.3 http://www.petitiononline.com/opencde/petition.html     A Motif has already gone halfway, allowing Motif to be used without E royalties on non commercial systems (hence why we, hobbyyists can get H the DW-MOTIF licence). The source for Motif 2.* is available, but again, restricted distribution.    C When you cosnider the uncertain future of VMS, having its windowing C system core already truly open sourced would make it easier for the F owner of VMS to also release the VMS specific code/drivers so that theF VMS community could continue to update Decwidnows on VMS beyond end ofE support.  (consider that development on VAX is all but ended now, and D this affects a lot of people who use VMS on modern industry standard systems with a VAX emulator).    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:37:40 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>= Subject: Re: Observations on Samba for VMS (CIFS Kit from HP) @ Message-ID: <craigberry-24E073.21374030102006@free.teranews.com>   In article  ? <paul.sture.nospam-0EBE14.10073430102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, 1  Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:   M > > 2) File size limitations.  One of the walls I keep hitting with Advanced  O > > Server is the 4GB file size limit.  Samba on Linux has supported very large P > > files for a while now.  I was very surprised to find that the CIFS kit maxes > > out at 2GB files!  > H > Could this be a compilation option? When you say "Samba on Linux", is 7 > that a general thing, or a specific flavour of Linux?   E In principle it's just a matter of compiling with /DEFINE=_LARGEFILE  F and then tracking down any cases where someone should have used off_t G but used int instead.  Real life could, of course, be more complicated.   1 Glancing at the configuration template for Samba:   I http://viewcvs.samba.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/branches/SAMBA_3_0_24/source # /configure.in?rev=19467&view=markup   H it appears that largefile support is enabled anywhere it can be found.  E The VMS build very likely does not use that configuration method and  E would need to do its own probes to ascertain large file capabilities.    --  = Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:29:04 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> = Subject: Re: Observations on Samba for VMS (CIFS Kit from HP) J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-2D68A3.05290431102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  @ In article <craigberry-24E073.21374030102006@free.teranews.com>,8  "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> wrote:  
 > In article  A > <paul.sture.nospam-0EBE14.10073430102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, 3 >  Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:  > O > > > 2) File size limitations.  One of the walls I keep hitting with Advanced  L > > > Server is the 4GB file size limit.  Samba on Linux has supported very  > > > large M > > > files for a while now.  I was very surprised to find that the CIFS kit   > > > maxes  > > > out at 2GB files!  > > J > > Could this be a compilation option? When you say "Samba on Linux", is 9 > > that a general thing, or a specific flavour of Linux?  > G > In principle it's just a matter of compiling with /DEFINE=_LARGEFILE  H > and then tracking down any cases where someone should have used off_t I > but used int instead.  Real life could, of course, be more complicated.  > 3 > Glancing at the configuration template for Samba:  > K > http://viewcvs.samba.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/branches/SAMBA_3_0_24/source % > /configure.in?rev=19467&view=markup  >   F Thanks for the pointer to "LARGEFILE". I did have a quick peek at the G sources delivered with the evaluation kit, but didn't know what likely   keywords to search for.   J > it appears that largefile support is enabled anywhere it can be found.  G > The VMS build very likely does not use that configuration method and  G > would need to do its own probes to ascertain large file capabilities.   D There's an MMS build, which incidentally failed when I tried it - a F missing logical name at the link stage. I haven't had time to look at / undefined symbols it produced on the next pass.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2006 11:54:00 -0800' From: "sapienzaf" <sapienza@noesys.com> 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS v7.3-2 Bug in SORT/MERGE utility A Message-ID: <1162238040.654031.6700@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   G My bad.  The logical name has to have MORE THAN four characters to be a F problem.  All v7.3-2 patches from the HP FTP patch site are installed.  
 $ ty t.log $! $ SET NOVERIFY
 $ set noon $ 7 $ define mrg disk$user11:[sapienza]bba_paycycle_sum.dat  $ < $ merge /nocheck /stable /spec=sys$input: mrg:;-1,mrg:; mrg:
   /key=(1) $ 9 $ define mrg01 disk$user11:[sapienza]bba_paycycle_sum.dat  $ B $ merge /nocheck /stable /spec=sys$input: mrg01:;-1,mrg01:; mrg01:
   /key=(1); %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual : address=0000000000000004, PC=000000007B86304C, PS=0000001B2   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005 1                         Name   = 000000000000000C 1                                  0000000000000000 1                                  0000000000000004 1                                  000000007B86304C 1                                  000000000000001B        Register dump:9     R0  = 000000000000000C  R1  = 0000000000075BB0  R2  =  000000007B82E8309     R3  = 0000000000074194  R4  = 00000000001C105A  R5  =  00000000001C10529     R6  = 000000007B82E8B8  R7  = 0000000000000114  R8  =  000000007FF9CDE89     R9  = 000000007FF9DDF0  R10 = 000000007FFA4F30  R11 =  00000000000740989     R12 = 000000007FFCDA60  R13 = 000000007AF207E0  R14 =  00000000000000009     R15 = 000000007AF1FE20  R16 = 0000000002000000  R17 =  00000000000200009     R18 = 0000000000000001  R19 = 000000007B5F4508  R20 =  00000000000000049     R21 = 0000000000064028  R22 = 0000000000064039  R23 =  00000000000000709     R24 = 0000000000064018  R25 = 0000000000064038  R26 =  000000007B8633E89     R27 = 000000007B82E830  R28 = FFFFFFFF808C0370  R29 =  000000007AE279A09     SP  = 000000007AE279A0  PC  = 000000007B86304C  PS  =  200000000000001B $ 8   SAPIENZA     job terminated at 30-OCT-2006 14:50:34.12   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:02:29 -0500 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> - Subject: osu & vms  7.3-2 - web services list 5 Message-ID: <ei5lol$a41$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   E Is there a list of web services that will run on OSU web server with   OpenVMS 7.3-2?   Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:41:01 -0500 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>1 Subject: Re: osu & vms  7.3-2 - web services list 7 Message-ID: <4546a9a9$0$49205$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>    Chuck Aaron wrote:G > Is there a list of web services that will run on OSU web server with   > OpenVMS 7.3-2?   Do you mean CGI scripts ?   7 I once maintained a list. That list is outdated by now.   6 I think you should look at some more modern technology than CGI scripts.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:39:40 +0200 3 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@REMOVE_THISbruden.com>  Subject: Re: PAKs for Itanium 9 Message-ID: <45464812$0$12139$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>   - <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message  * news:00A5DFA7.2B10B63E@SendSpamHere.ORG...6 > How do I now create PAKs which will load on Itanium?  K The key is to have the IA64 option set. It is required for any PAK on IA64.   C If you want to create a PPL or PCL license add the PPL or PCL flag.   H If you want to create an activity PAK, use the same options you used on  Alpha.J Keep in my IA64_ALPHA means the PAK will be loaded on both Alpha and IA64.C IA64_ALPHA_VAX means the PAK will be loaded on all 3 architectures.    >  > --  3 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > 6 >  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"        --  = Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:58:15 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: PAKs for Itanium 0 Message-ID: <00A5DFBC.4A4E3BBE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <45464812$0$12139$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@REMOVE_THISbruden.com> writes:  >  >  > . ><VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message + >news:00A5DFA7.2B10B63E@SendSpamHere.ORG... 7 >> How do I now create PAKs which will load on Itanium?  > L >The key is to have the IA64 option set. It is required for any PAK on IA64. > D >If you want to create a PPL or PCL license add the PPL or PCL flag. > I >If you want to create an activity PAK, use the same options you used on   >Alpha. K >Keep in my IA64_ALPHA means the PAK will be loaded on both Alpha and IA64. D >IA64_ALPHA_VAX means the PAK will be loaded on all 3 architectures.   ; IA64_ALPHA_VAX this will function on older versions of VAX?      --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2006 22:11:09 -0800/ From: "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>  Subject: Re: PAKs for Itanium C Message-ID: <1162275069.634579.129730@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   6 On Oct 30, 5:39 pm, "Ian Miller" <i...@uk2.net> wrote:/ > you need a updated PAKGEN pak - talk to DSPP.   2 No you don't...  You can generate PAKs for Itanium3 from an Alpha.  Contact me if you want to know how.  (If you can't work it out)   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:07:45 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 2 Subject: Re: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card?J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-1FD1D9.02074531102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  C In article <1161786819.111085.118310@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, =  "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote:   A > The PBXGB-AA is otherwise known as the Powerstorm 3D30 and is a E > somewhat faster card than the Elsa Gloria and about the fastest you ? > will find to work in a PWD600au (i.e. pre EV6) this side of a F > Powerstorm 4D20.  I have one and the scroll rate is much better than > the Elsa.  > D > FredK would be the expert here but I don't think you can dual-head > this.  > C > In case you haven't found it elsewhere, the 3D30 (and 4D20) use a E > hardware rotary switch on the card to adjust the screen resolution. , > The chart is copied below (from ATW #2041) > E > PowerStorm 3D30 (PBXGB-AA) and PowerStorm 4D20 (PBXGB-CA) settings:  >  >     0 1280 x 1024 72 >     1 1280 x 1024 66 >     2 1280 x 1024 60 >     3 1152 x  900 72! >     4 1600 x 1200 65 (-CA only)  >     5 1024 x  768 70 >     6 1024 x  768 72 >     7 1024 x  864 60 >     8 1024 x  768 60 >     9  800 x  600 72 >     A  800 x  600 60 >     B  640 x  480 72 >     C  640 x  480 60 >     D 1280 x 1024 75 >     E 1280 x 1024 60! >     F 1600 x 1200 75 (-CA only)  > < > That's the switch position (0-F), resolution, refresh rate  E Thanks very much for that table John. It looks like I need it for my   monitor.  = Do you have any idea of which position the switch is for "0"?    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:44:31 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>2 Subject: Re: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card?) Message-ID: <ei6dac$2pdq$1@pyrite.mv.net>    Paul Sture wrote: E > In article <1161786819.111085.118310@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, ? >  "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote:  ... F >> PowerStorm 3D30 (PBXGB-AA) and PowerStorm 4D20 (PBXGB-CA) settings: ... ? > Do you have any idea of which position the switch is for "0"?   ?    Um, switch?  There's a rotating selector on the edge of the  I PowerStorm 3D30 (PBXGB-AA) or PowerStorm 4D20 (PBXGB-CA) series graphics  G card, and the selected digit is visible within the cut-out.  If you're  E not seeing a zero somewhere within the herd of digits underneath the  G dial, then either you don't have a PowerStorm 3D30 or PowerStorm 4D20,  B or there have been changes to the hardware, or the table is wrong.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2006 18:54:48 -0800; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> 2 Subject: Re: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card?B Message-ID: <1162263288.097123.244120@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   Stephen Hoffman wrote: > Paul Sture wrote: G > > In article <1161786819.111085.118310@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, A > >  "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote:  > ... H > >> PowerStorm 3D30 (PBXGB-AA) and PowerStorm 4D20 (PBXGB-CA) settings: > ... A > > Do you have any idea of which position the switch is for "0"?  > @ >    Um, switch?  There's a rotating selector on the edge of theJ > PowerStorm 3D30 (PBXGB-AA) or PowerStorm 4D20 (PBXGB-CA) series graphicsH > card, and the selected digit is visible within the cut-out.  If you'reF > not seeing a zero somewhere within the herd of digits underneath theH > dial, then either you don't have a PowerStorm 3D30 or PowerStorm 4D20,D > or there have been changes to the hardware, or the table is wrong.  F Or the eyes or the hardware is old.  ;)  On mine some of the positionsF are barely legible anymore and my eyes, well... I've had glasses sinceA I was 12 (that's 34 years for those who are counting).  The chart F should be correct since I copied it from the Ask the VMS Wizard (ATW - bad acronym, sorry) #2041     John H. Reinhardt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:07:27 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>2 Subject: Re: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card?) Message-ID: <ei6elc$2ptc$1@pyrite.mv.net>    johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote:    > The chart H > should be correct since I copied it from the Ask the VMS Wizard (ATW - > bad acronym, sorry) #2041   F    And I happen to know who transcribed the contents of the cited ATW E topic from the PowerStorm 3D30 and PowerStorm 4D20 series controller  H manual into that ATW topic (2041); that table could potentially contain  transcription errors.  :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:48:35 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 2 Subject: Re: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card?J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-F950E1.05483531102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  ) In article <ei6elc$2ptc$1@pyrite.mv.net>, :  Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org> wrote:  ! > johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote:  > 
 > > The chart J > > should be correct since I copied it from the Ask the VMS Wizard (ATW - > > bad acronym, sorry) #2041  > H >    And I happen to know who transcribed the contents of the cited ATW G > topic from the PowerStorm 3D30 and PowerStorm 4D20 series controller  J > manual into that ATW topic (2041); that table could potentially contain  > transcription errors.  :-)  H To err is human, but for a truly massive cockup, you need a computer :-)  I John had the correct diagnosis, 'tis probably the eyes which are getting  C old, but if there was any kind of colouring there to highlight the   figures that's also long gone.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:19:37 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> . Subject: PWS 600 au keeps going into AlphaBIOSJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-8EB90A.02193731102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  H My PWS 600 au has recently started to switch itself back into AlphaBIOS H mode if powered off for very long, and now I can't get it back into SRM.  D I _think_ that a new battery is in order and might cure it, but can < anyone confirm that a dead battery can be the cause of this?   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:42:21 -0500 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>2 Subject: Re: PWS 600 au keeps going into AlphaBIOS7 Message-ID: <4546a9f9$0$49205$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>    Paul Sture wrote: J > My PWS 600 au has recently started to switch itself back into AlphaBIOS J > mode if powered off for very long, and now I can't get it back into SRM. > F > I _think_ that a new battery is in order and might cure it, but can > > anyone confirm that a dead battery can be the cause of this?  ( I have a 433au with the same phenonomen.  ? BIOS, CMOS, advanced, change OS to VMS, save, save, power cycle ! and it runs again (after memory).    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:48:10 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>2 Subject: Re: PWS 600 au keeps going into AlphaBIOS) Message-ID: <ei6dh7$2pif$1@pyrite.mv.net>    Paul Sture wrote: J > My PWS 600 au has recently started to switch itself back into AlphaBIOS J > mode if powered off for very long, and now I can't get it back into SRM. > F > I _think_ that a new battery is in order and might cure it, but can > > anyone confirm that a dead battery can be the cause of this?  @    That's a typical and usual symptom of a dead battery, yes -- > arguably, the SRM and the AlphaBIOS/ARC and the no-setting or E lost-setting code should have been three separate codes.  You should  F also find that other console-level settings are also lost, as well as F the time, etc., though you can manually select the necessary settings  and start up SRM, etc.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:03:08 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)5 Subject: strange shutdown problem with satellite node $ Message-ID: <ei63rs$4mf$1@online.de>  H Occasionally, say one time in ten, I see the following messages repeatedC on the console when shutting down a satellite node (an ALPHA, being B served by the only ALPHA boot server in the cluster; the other two (boot) nodes are VAXes:     G %VMScluster-I-REINIT_WAIT, waiting for access to the system disk server G %VMScluster-I-REINIT_WAIT, waiting for access to the system disk server G %VMScluster-I-REINIT_WAIT, waiting for access to the system disk server S %VMScluster-I-MSCPCONNm Connected to a NSCP server for the system disk, node ELIJAH t %VMScluster-E-HOT_SERVED, Configuration change, the system disk is no longer served by node ELIJAH FF-7F-00-00-83-00  G Note that ELIJAH is not an ALPHA; it's a VAX.  The node shutting down,  H on whose console the messages above appear (the set is repeated usually 1 several times if it happens at all), is an ALPHA.   H The system disk for this satellite was thus never served by node ELIJAH.C The satellite boots off the ethernet from a root on the ALPHA boot   server.   0 After 5--10 minutes, I get back to the chevrons.  A Any idea what could cause this?  Note again that it happens just  
 occasionally.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:23:42 -0500 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !: Message-ID: <Nr2dncoSB5ft5tvYnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:  > D >>Oh no ! It is that time of the year again when there are plenty of  >>questions about time changes ! >>) >>I don't run that DECENET Phase 5 thing.  >  > # > with DCL and Phase IV it is cake!  > ; > 1.  Do a month and week check to see if it is time to set - >     that nodes time forward or backward ...  > = > 2. if it is, set the time of the current node + or - 1 hour  > : > 3.  feed the time to the other phase IV nodes via a task > 9 > simple!  And with TCPware you can do it over a phase IV @ > over IP connection and adjust your time for the different time+ > zones before sending it thru the task ...  >   H We went to a lot of trouble back in the 1990s to get Digital to support C timekeeping in UTC and display of time in local time zones!  There  I should be no need to dink with your local time; there is a DCL procedure  I in SYS$MANAGER that will set things up for you and make the changes from  G daylight time to standard and back again; you just have to schedule it  D in a batch job to run at 2:00 AM on the appropriate Sunday with the E parameters appropriate for either spring or fall.  You can then keep  I time in UTC and display the appropriate local time for users anywhere in  G the world; e.g. you can have users in New York see Eastern time, users  E in California see Pacific time and users in Tokyo see Japan time.  I  ) believe it's supported in V6.2 and later.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:40:15 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>$ Subject: Re: Time change questions !) Message-ID: <ei69hs$2oc1$1@pyrite.mv.net>    JF Mezei wrote:   I > So, what is the scoop on how to handle FALL/SPRINg time changes at 8.3  " > Alpha? (without decnet5).  ?????  C    You might believe that you lack it, but you can and do have the  D pieces of DECnet-Plus that manage time and timezone changes.  These I pieces of DECnet-Plus were first integrated into OpenVMS Alpha itself at  F V7.3, and are present whether you use no networking, IP, or either of F the two DECnet phase.  It's these pieces that implement the automatic H daylight saving time switch-over that are present in OpenVMS Alpha V7.3  and later, and in OpenVMS I64.  F    Time-related questions seem to arrive in the newsgroup twice every E year -- certainly more than usual next year, as the US gets ready to  D experience its first daylight saving time scheduling change for the H first time in the memory of many folks -- and the collected information H on daylight saving time and timezone and related processing is secreted  in the OpenVMS FAQ.   )      <http://www.hoffmanlabs.org/vmsfaq/>    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:17:47 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>$ Subject: Re: Time change questions !- Message-ID: <4546B23E.776BDEF4@vaxination.ca>    Stephen Hoffman wrote:D >    You might believe that you lack it, but you can and do have the? > pieces of DECnet-Plus that manage time and timezone changes.    Q Yes, thanks for the answer. I learned about the AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV SYSGEN parameter.   G If I may make a suggestion, for brand new installations, that parameter H should be set to 1 by default. (I can understand that in an upgrade, you+ might not wish to change system behaviour).   = (In my case, this was a brand new install, hence my comment).    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:01:12 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>$ Subject: Re: Time change questions !) Message-ID: <ei6e9m$2pol$1@pyrite.mv.net>    JF Mezei wrote:    ... I > If I may make a suggestion, for brand new installations, that parameter J > should be set to 1 by default. (I can understand that in an upgrade, you- > might not wish to change system behaviour).   I    The AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV parameter name makes it rather hard to find, too,  G as it's missing DST and TIME -- AUTOMATIC_DST or other such might have  F been better.  But I digress.  As for your suggestion, you may (will?) E want to address your suggestion around the AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV parameter  1 default during a system installation along to HP.   I    The default setting for the parameter AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV was intended to  I preserve existing OpenVMS behaviour.    This is part of the curse of the  B installed base, something I've commented on before -- changes and F enhancements are often quite desirable, but the goal of compatibility C for existing applications and existing expectations can make these  & modifications rather more problematic.  G    There are applications around which do not react appropriately when  @ the time changes -- many years back, DECnet itself was one such C application.  Back when this was a problem within DECnet, when you  I changed the system time back in the fall, the DECnet connections dropped   out for an hour.  G    I fully expect there are at least a few applications which use time  D values for index keys or other such uses -- there are any number of F applications around which haven't been updated to use the UTC-related = calls and UTC time, and/or the DECnet-Plus time-related APIs.   H    And even on a new OpenVMS installation, it is easily possible to see  these applications loaded.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:12:27 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !, Message-ID: <4546DB22.A3F9C0DF@teksavvy.com>   Stephen Hoffman wrote:H >    There are applications around which do not react appropriately when > the time changes -    C However, when you consider that competing modern OS have automated, E sudden time changes,  new applications, often written for such OS and D later ported to VMS, would have been written to handle such a sudden time change.  C If you have an old application being installed onto a fresh/new VMS C instance, then perhspas the onus should be on the system manager to E disable to automated time change. Wouldn't the vast majnority of apps " now survive a sudden time change ?  C If you do financial transactions and you really do not want to have H transactions "back dated", then you need to a a lot to handle those timeE changes and would have to be very aware of everything and disable the G SYSGEN AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV parameter (and possibly use some app that tweaks 8 the clock rate to slowly drift it to lose/gain an hour).   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2006 14:18:48 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) & Subject: Re: TSZ07 Magnetic Tape Drive3 Message-ID: <$trOy0cTsG1K@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <4542B668.B3AA2740@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes: > O > It's a fair bet the TSZ07 was never designed to do that (not intended for use . > with Windows, so no device-specific driver).  H    I've seen widgets that hand on a SCSI bus and report all the commandsG    to a particular LUN.  I've seen 3rd part 8mm drive packages with one     of those built in.   G    I've never seen one as host based software and most host controllers D    probably won't provide the data.  One would have to hack into the'    driver to see what it's sending out.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:26:22 -0600 3 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> & Subject: Re: TSZ07 Magnetic Tape Drive0 Message-ID: <4546C25E.320339B4@spam.comcast.net>   Bob Koehler wrote: > h > In article <4542B668.B3AA2740@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes: > > Q > > It's a fair bet the TSZ07 was never designed to do that (not intended for use 0 > > with Windows, so no device-specific driver). > J >    I've seen widgets that hand on a SCSI bus and report all the commandsI >    to a particular LUN.  I've seen 3rd part 8mm drive packages with one  >    of those built in.  > I >    I've never seen one as host based software and most host controllers F >    probably won't provide the data.  One would have to hack into the) >    driver to see what it's sending out.   P ...and the end-device would have to have been provided with the capability to do what he's asking, also.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:04:24 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 2 Subject: VMSINSTALL bug VMS 8.2 Run_Image callback1 Message-ID: <ei5slr$27i$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,   H Someone who was trying to have a look at Tier3 for me on a V8.2 box cameJ across the following problem that has supposed to have been fixed. AnybobyF else seen it or know anything about it? Fixed in 8.3 but why wasn't it5 back-ported to 8.2? It is a com file for Pete's sake!   - More from the future of HP "support" for VMS?    2. VMSINSTAL  E This failed miserably on VMS V8.2 on running T3$CHKACC, because there D is a known bug in VMSINSTAL on V8.2 with the RUN_IMAGE vmi$callback.   It craps out with:  G %ANALYZE-E-OPENIN, error opening MISSING:[MISSING]VMI$NEW.EXE; as input - -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available A %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of TIER3A V3.1 has failed.     < This issue is allegedly fixed in VMS82A_KITTING-V0100, dated< 10-JAN-2006,  but that contains a copy of VMSINSTAL.COM from* 10-AUG-2005, so doesn't solve the problem.  > Needless to say, I'm going to report that problem. I got Tier3. installed by knobbling its KITINSTAL.COM thus:  3 $!   VMI$CALLBACK RUN_IMAGE "VMI$KWD:T3$CHKACC.EXE"  $ tier3$missing = "true"   Regards Richard Maher   ? PS. How's that new regression-testing team coming along anyway?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:44:56 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> < Subject: What is a "File URL" as opposed to a "non-file URL"1 Message-ID: <ei5v1t$5ek$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,   L Sorry to be thick, but what is a "File URL"? Looking on the web, the closestJ I got to it was a URL that literally starts with "File:"; is that correct?  J The reason I ask is that I'm looking at IE Java security settings in my IEK browser and it says that "Connect to non-file url codebase" is OK but "File L Based" is disabled. As I hope to have the flexibility to use a subset of FTPK as the protocol to upload my Applets from VMS I am hoping that "File Based" L does mean "file:" and does not pertain to FTP vs HTTP. Does it just mean "No$ Local Disk I/O" which is fine by me?  H I know it can be changed but that would be moving way over to the opaque side of transparent!  J MS Knowledge Base article 305830 looks useful for those who really want toI control Java Settings on windows.  (But, as usual, the Registry has to be  updated)   Regards Richard Maher    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:55:55 -0500 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>@ Subject: Re: What is a "File URL" as opposed to a "non-file URL"- Message-ID: <45469109.EAD6ADA7@vaxination.ca>    Richard Maher wrote: >  > Hi,  > N > Sorry to be thick, but what is a "File URL"? Looking on the web, the closestL > I got to it was a URL that literally starts with "File:"; is that correct?   That is correct.   HTTP:// use  HTTP  FTP://  use FTP  GOPHER:// use gopher FILE://  use local file system  
 for instance:   * FILE:///USRDIR/BRIAN_GRIFFIN/MILKBONE.HTML  U would fetch the file stored locally translated to USRDIR:[BRIAN_GRIFFIN]MILKBONE.HTML   , (FILE: usually needs a 3rd slash initially).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:14:05 +0200 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: why some times after inserting the tape in tape drive, comes out automatical & Message-ID: <454624CD.6724AE1B@hp.com>   alok wrote:  > B > why some times after inserting the tape in tape drive, comes out > automatically ?    What tape drive? What cassette? What computer, O.S. etc...  ? Some DAT drives automatically eject incompatable cassette sizes  (e.g. 125M in a TLZ09, IIRC)   Mike   --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* C Kibbutz Tzor'a.                   http://alpha(dot)mike-r(dot)com   B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2006 14:35:07 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Y Subject: Re: why some times after inserting the tape in tape drive, comes out automatical 3 Message-ID: <T1F1iffYpFXX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <1162213143.521992.292550@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> writes: B > why some times after inserting the tape in tape drive, comes out > automatically ?   E     The system is smarter than you.  Do what it says.  Never read the 5     FAQ.  And do look to see if it's a cleaning tape.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:28:30 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> Y Subject: Re: why some times after inserting the tape in tape drive, comes out automatical J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-5DC0D4.02283031102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  9 In article <9ImdnaviFNBCAdvYnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@libcom.com>, )  Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:    > Bob Koehler wrote:O > > In article <1162213143.521992.292550@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "alok"    > > <alok.net@gmail.com> writes:E > >> why some times after inserting the tape in tape drive, comes out  > >> automatically ? > > I > >     The system is smarter than you.  Do what it says.  Never read the 9 > >     FAQ.  And do look to see if it's a cleaning tape.  > >  > H > Now, now, its only Monday.  Such testiness isn't appropriate until at  > least Thursday.  :-)  I I found Bob's comment very funny, as I did that with a cleaning tape the   other week.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:45:28 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Y Subject: Re: why some times after inserting the tape in tape drive, comes out automatical 9 Message-ID: <9ImdnaviFNBCAdvYnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@libcom.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:i > In article <1162213143.521992.292550@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> writes: C >> why some times after inserting the tape in tape drive, comes out  >> automatically ? > G >     The system is smarter than you.  Do what it says.  Never read the 7 >     FAQ.  And do look to see if it's a cleaning tape.  >   F Now, now, its only Monday.  Such testiness isn't appropriate until at  least Thursday.  :-)   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.598 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      F      Hp ~p     CF     A  8   X8                     }    e  CA 8   A  @   8                   GP{p f  P{p   % CA @   A  X   X                            +  = +  H   ;                  CA X   A  @                      H   &+   =    CA @   A  0   h0                     ICA 0   A  0   0                     ICA 0   A  8   8                     4p     CA 8   A  0   0                      CA 0   A  8   8                       } CA 8   A  8   8                     H8p     CA 8   A  8   8                     zp     CA 8   A  0   0                      CA 0   A  8   8                     -   J} CA 8   A  0   0                      CA 0   A  8   8                     |  )~ CA 8   A  @   @                      f          CA @   A  @   @                        f      ;     CA @   A  @                        >  	/        CA @   A  X   X   H                     7   H   6 Q  H   H   ;               CA X   A  @   h                   G8p H    p Q  CA @   A                              < a,  +   +               % Group must be a number between 0 and ;                 CA    F  (   Pp p             CF (   A  8   8                          X   CA 8   A  8                      ~      CA 8   A  p          
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