1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 31 Oct 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 599       Contents: Re: Advanced Server problem  DECW Server vs MWM priorities ! Re: DECW Server vs MWM priorities + Re: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it down $ Re: e: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph RE: Fired Twice (a little tail)  Re: Fired Twice (a little tail)  Re: Fired Twice (a little tail)  Re: Fired Twice (a little tail) % How to read file from tape in VAX vms ) Re: How to read file from tape in VAX vms ) Re: How to read file from tape in VAX vms ) Re: How to read file from tape in VAX vms  Re: ITRC???  Re: ITRC???  Re: ITRC???  Re: ITRC???  Re: ITRC???  Re: ITRC??? " Mozilla file protection violations& Re: Mozilla file protection violations& Re: Mozilla file protection violations4 Re: Observations on Samba for VMS (CIFS Kit from HP)) RE: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card? ) Re: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card? ) Re: PWS 600 au keeps going into AlphaBIOS ) Re: PWS 600 au keeps going into AlphaBIOS  RMS  Re: RMS  Re: RMS  RE: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions !  RE: Time change questions !  Re: Time change questions ! ( XML Parser OpenVMS 7.3-2 OSU Web Server., Re: XML Parser OpenVMS 7.3-2 OSU Web Server., Re: XML Parser OpenVMS 7.3-2 OSU Web Server., Re: XML Parser OpenVMS 7.3-2 OSU Web Server., Re: XML Parser OpenVMS 7.3-2 OSU Web Server.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2006 01:37:49 -0800% From: "Kari" <kari.keronen@digita.fi> $ Subject: Re: Advanced Server problemC Message-ID: <1162287469.893549.192570@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    BHall kirjoitti:  
 > Kari wrote: C > > I get strange error when adding a new share to Advanced Server:  snip1 > > OpenVMS 7.3-2, Advanced Server V7.3A. Ideas ?  > > 
 > > -Kari- > G > Advanced Server automatically adds a hidden share for every disk that F > is mounted when AS is started.  Did you start Advanced Server beforeA > $1$DGA106: was mounted?  If AS is started before your disks are < > mounted, you can execute $ADMIN SET COMPUTER computer_nameG > /AUTOSHARE_SYNCHRONIZE.  This will create a hidden share for the disk H > drive and you will then be able to add a new share on the drive.  ThisG > ADMIN command will need to be executed as part of your system startup 1 > procedures after all of your disks are mounted.  >  > Bill  D Thanks Bill, that did the trick. $1$DGA106: is a new disk and indeed mounted after AS startup.    -Kari-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:01:48 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: DECW Server vs MWM priorities8 Message-ID: <6268f$45471f34$cef8887a$29009@TEKSAVVY.COM>  L I am currently running MOZILLA on the ALPHA, but displayed on my VAXstation  3100-30 (still).  I There are times when it works relatively well. But there are times where  8 the DECW$SERVER0 process on the VAX goes to 100% of CPU.  / Trying to display a large image (weather radar) 7 http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ridge/Conus/RadarImg/latest.gif   K Would cause the server to go into 100% for hours before finally displaying  D a blank page (no error  message). Probably has something to do with G converting from 24 bit data to the 8bit coloyur scheme of the SPX card. % (I let this run before going to bed).   L During this time, no redrawing of the window is done if you move it and the A window "grabs" whatever was at the location you are moving it to.   I A page such as IMDB.COM with animated gifs would take the DECW$SERVER to  K 100% and have an extremely sluggish response. Tried to type a new URL, but  I that took too long. Found out that rezing the window to hize an animated  K gif did the trick and finally the typing I had done in the URL box started  I to trickle in. Interestingly, the alpha was at near 0% usage, it was the  L DECW$SERVER0 on the VAX that was at 100% (didn't realise that the animation % would put such a load on the server).       L Anyhow, I expect those issues to go away once I get my keyboard and get the G Alpha to handle the DECW session, as well as the 24 bit Radeon card to  F display in 24 bits, removing the need to convert all images to pseudo % colours (as is done on the SPX card).      HOWEVER:  G I have noticed that the MWM process is created with base priority of 4  : whilsyt the DECW$SERVER is created at based priority of 6.  J Shouldn't both be at the same priority ? (so that other window operations E are not stopped by one window monopolizing DECW$SERVER0 operations) ?    ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 2006 18:34:13 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)* Subject: Re: DECW Server vs MWM priorities+ Message-ID: <4qpj95FnoadhU1@individual.net>   * In article <45475781@usenet01.boi.hp.com>,- 	"FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  > J > It is an old problem with VAXstations and abusive X11 coding by Mozilla.I > Mozilla clears areas by drawing a *very* large rectangle through a clip I > list.  The VAXstation server simply sets up a clip list and draws it... L > very slowly and on some of the VAX graphics it even crashes.  This problemL > has been around forever, and there are no plans to even attempt to go back2 > and modify the VAX server to handle the problem.  G So then, why not try to convince the powers-that-be to just release all F the old VAX graphics stuff so that someone else can try to fix it.  IfH HP has no interest in it, I am sure someone in the XFree community would be willing to have a go at it.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2006 07:45:40 -0800( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>4 Subject: Re: DS10L hanging problem, tracking it downC Message-ID: <1162309538.880115.175370@e64g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Stephen Hoffman wrote: > Rich Jordan wrote: > & > > If that doesn't work... what next? > C >    Swap the box for another?   Are you expending effort trying to J > service an AlphaServer DS10L box that could potentially be replaced moreH > economically?  (That might seem flippant, but Island and various other. > sources of used equipment can and do exist.) > D >    As for your more immediate question, memory would be an obviousJ > target, and what you're describing could easily be thermal -- memory canE > be swapped, though there can also be thermal issues with any of the 6 > components on the motherboard or most anywhere else. > D >    The brute-force approach for finding these can involve a remoteI > temperature probe -- remote sensors are available for about US$100, and I > use a laser dot to indicate where the temperature is being read from -- F > and -- with rather more risk to the system and/or yourself, the veryI > careful use of a heat gun.  The first to look for hot spots, the second J > to cause even higher heat and to attempt to trigger the fault.  This canB > easily permanently damage your hardware -- I don't recommend it. > F >    I'd be tempted to get another AlphaServer DS10L box, and use your > existing box for spares.  :-)   C That (replacing the box) may end up being the way to go.  I do have D spare disks and KZPBA cards so no cost involved in trying that; I doD not have any spare memory to try swapping.  I was hoping that the 24E hour successful console level test (which includes a memory test) was G sufficient to eliminate that possibility.  I think I'll run another and E just let it go for a few days, or till it hangs, to see what happens, G but not till I change the SCSI controller and remove the internal disk.   E Darn it, buying another one kills the power/heat payback on replacing G the AS600.  I've never had an alpha this unreliable (even the UDBs once - the airflow increases were done were better).    Rich   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:42:53 GMT . From: Jack Patteeuw <jack.patteeuw@nospam.net>- Subject: Re: e: Another Vax/Alpha/VMS triumph = Message-ID: <xUE1h.25564$7I1.6124@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>   B > I liken macro programming to mowing the lawn with tweezers.  :-)  G Yes, but isn't it amazing that you get to examine each blade of grass ?   C Sigh, never got a chance to do any micro-coding.  There you get to  6 examine each individual cell in each blade of grass !!   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:06:24 +1100 6 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>( Subject: RE: Fired Twice (a little tail)X Message-ID: <0A7046B0A95F2B41B3712F0C5FD1CDC303BBD9@ex-tg2-pr.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCC3.F3F6C873 . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable          -----Original Message-----. From: Neil Rieck [mailto:n.rieck@sympatico.ca] Sent: Tue 10/31/2006 2:53 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ( Subject: Re: Fired Twice (a little tail) =20   8 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message=20A news:w8OdnTL6l5rNn9jYnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  > Neil Rieck wrote:  [...snip...] > K > I've not yet become a convert to the world of blogging:  while once in a=  =20 L > while I get into a conversation on one having blundered in from somewhere= =20 I > else, they just don't seem to offer nearly as stimulating a level of=20 ( > interactivity as Usenet or Web forums. > J > And I do get the impression that they're 99.9+% worthless, making the=20B > search for useful content there a pretty poor use of one's time. >   K Many blogs are worthless (to me) while others seem to have more value. I=20 J guess it depends on personal interests. A book I'm currently reading made= =20 K the following claim: "the growth of the human population is linear but the=  =20 L growth of the communication channels between is exponential". Blogs are jus= t=20K an example of one of the new channels but only time will tell if they will=  =20  be around in 5 years.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/   
 **********  L Err, Hoff does/did a blog which I could no way consider worthless.  Choose = your blogger!!     Regards, Paddy      G *********************************************************************** ; Please consider the environment before printing this email.   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20 C immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20 ? individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20 C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************     ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCC3.F3F6C873 - Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>L <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> L <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7233.69">. <TITLE>RE: Fired Twice (a little tail)</TITLE> </HEAD>  <BODY>) <!-- Converted from text/plain format -->  <BR> <BR> <BR>  0 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR>L From: Neil Rieck [<A HREF=3D"mailto:n.rieck@sympatico.ca">mailto:n.rieck@sy= mpatico.ca</A>]<BR>   Sent: Tue 10/31/2006 2:53 PM<BR> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com<BR> , Subject: Re: Fired Twice (a little tail)<BR> <BR> <BR>I &quot;Bill Todd&quot; &lt;billtodd@metrocast.net&gt; wrote in message<BR> L <A HREF=3D"news:w8OdnTL6l5rNn9jYnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com">=I news:w8OdnTL6l5rNn9jYnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com</A>...<BR>  &gt; Neil Rieck wrote:<BR> [...snip...]<BR> &gt;<BR>L &gt; I've not yet become a convert to the world of blogging:&nbsp; while on= ce in a<BR> L &gt; while I get into a conversation on one having blundered in from somewh= ere<BR> L &gt; else, they just don't seem to offer nearly as stimulating a level of<B= R>/ &gt; interactivity as Usenet or Web forums.<BR>  &gt;<BR>L &gt; And I do get the impression that they're 99.9+% worthless, making the<= BR> I &gt; search for useful content there a pretty poor use of one's time.<BR>  &gt;<BR> <BR>L Many blogs are worthless (to me) while others seem to have more value. I<BR>L guess it depends on personal interests. A book I'm currently reading made<B= R>L the following claim: &quot;the growth of the human population is linear but=  the<BR>L growth of the communication channels between is exponential&quot;. Blogs ar=
 e just<BR>L an example of one of the new channels but only time will tell if they will<= BR>  be around in 5 years.<BR>  <BR> Neil Rieck<BR>! Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,<BR>  Ontario, Canada.<BR>L <A HREF=3D"http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/">http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.ri= eck/</A><BR> <BR> **********<BR> <BR>L Err, Hoff does/did a blog which I could no way consider worthless.&nbsp; Ch= oose your blogger!!<BR>  <BR> <BR> Regards, Paddy<BR> <BR> </FONT>  </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>  <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR> ? Please consider the environment before printing this email.<BR>  <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR> B and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of <BR>G this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise<BR> F the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, <BR>; distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.<BR>  <BR>E If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid <BR> E immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the <BR> A individual sender except where the sender expressly and with <BR> G authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses<BR> B virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  </FONT>  </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCC3.F3F6C873--    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:07:06 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ( Subject: Re: Fired Twice (a little tail)< Message-ID: <45476620$0$14821$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   RE: Fired Twice (a little tail) B "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote in message R news:0A7046B0A95F2B41B3712F0C5FD1CDC303BBD9@ex-tg2-pr.corporate.transgrid.local... [...snip...] > M > Err, Hoff does/did a blog which I could no way consider worthless.  Choose   > your blogger!! >  > Regards, Paddy >   M You are correct and his articles were of high quality until HP deleted them.   It used to be here:  http://www.hp.com/blogs/hoffman A I hope someone saved the articles before the link was taken down,   E Now if you surf over to here http://www.hp.com/blogs you'll see some  M executive blogs on the left hand side. IMHO it is not even worth the trouble  & of raising my finger to click on them.    
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:06:38 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>( Subject: Re: Fired Twice (a little tail)G Message-ID: <eNKdnfwmnboN6drYnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    O'Brien Paddy wrote:   ...   F > Err, Hoff does/did a blog which I could no way consider worthless.   > Choose your blogger!!   B As I said, 99.9+% (not 100.0%) seem worthless.  I've found useful H information in Sun's ZFS-related blogs as well - but that has little to F do with the 'blogging' format or life-style:  the same material could F equally well (or possibly better) have appeared on Usenet or in a Web G forum, aggregated with other relevant and useful material in one place.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:27:48 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>( Subject: Re: Fired Twice (a little tail), Message-ID: <45475d65$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message A news:nZidnVPnbYYfbdvYnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  > FredK wrote:9 > > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message E > > news:L-ednfaSEtK51dvYnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  > >> FredK wrote: ; > >>> "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message G > >>> news:w8OdnTL6l5rNn9jYnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...    > C > Ah - another substantive difference with the blogger in question. A > You've demonstrated more than adequately over time that reading E > comprehension is not your strong suit, so the fact that my range of H > interests (and comments) is moderately broad may have escaped you.  OfD > course, since you're employed by a company, and work on a hardwareI > platform, whose faults I've felt deserved continuing exposure over more G > than five years now, it's perhaps not entirely surprising that you're C > inclined to view these efforts as my sole interests, when in fact H > they're more of a side-show (just one which I feel some sense of civicH > responsibility to keep alive - an activity which even now continues to4 > generate significant interest here, I might note). >   I Actually Bill, I follow your comments on your "moderately broad" range of K interests in other forums.  Not really so broad (I can't imagine you have a K lot of time for a really broad range of interest considering you must spend I endless hours writing your tomes).  Unfortunately your behavior is pretty J much the same regardless of the subject.  You are right, others are wrong,L personal attacks and insults are common - usually cloaked in a "I am smarter> than you, so if you don't listen to me you are an idiot" tone.  L I am constrained in what I can and can't say in forums such as this - I haveK to balance both personal and professional interests.  Many of the threads I C react to as "here we go again" and some "I wish I could say that in L public" - but alas - very little of what you write do I agree with even whenA you have a grain of the truth - and pretty much that is what your L stock-in-trade is - taking a sliver of fact and making "profound" statements and predictions.  G In any case, as much as I enjoyed pointing out the obvious (my original J reply) - I actually do have work to do, and interests beyond computers andJ the internet to spend time on rather than continue with this.  You get theK last shot at me on this one... my experience is that you have a deep seated  need to have the last word.    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Oct 2006 23:58:07 -0800! From: "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> . Subject: How to read file from tape in VAX vmsA Message-ID: <1162281487.325419.3240@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hi  C We have a s/w that copies some log files to tape. I want to retrive D that. but simple copy operation  doesn't work & gives error as shown below.  , $ copy mka700:crm.dat dka100:[ncp73]alok.dat2 %COPY-E-READERR, error reading _JAGUAR$MKA700:[].; -RMS-F-RER, file read error  -SYSTEM-F-PARITY, parity error; %COPY-W-NOTCMPLT, _JAGUAR$MKA700:[].; not completely copied    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:17:13 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: How to read file from tape in VAX vms8 Message-ID: <799f1$454714c0$cef8887a$24944@TEKSAVVY.COM>   alok wrote: . > $ copy mka700:crm.dat dka100:[ncp73]alok.dat4 > %COPY-E-READERR, error reading _JAGUAR$MKA700:[].; > -RMS-F-RER, file read error   > -SYSTEM-F-PARITY, parity error  ( Looks like a bad tape and/or dirty head.  K There is a utility called VMSTPCE which has better error handling and able  L to skip over bad areas of a tape.  If you cannot find it on the freeware or I on process.com's ftp server, let me know. jfmezei at vaxination period ca    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2006 03:57:42 -0800! From: "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> 2 Subject: Re: How to read file from tape in VAX vmsB Message-ID: <1162295862.666921.267960@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>  
 Thanks a lot. & but I couldn't find it on process.com.   JF Mezei wrote: 
 > alok wrote: 0 > > $ copy mka700:crm.dat dka100:[ncp73]alok.dat6 > > %COPY-E-READERR, error reading _JAGUAR$MKA700:[].; > > -RMS-F-RER, file read error " > > -SYSTEM-F-PARITY, parity error > * > Looks like a bad tape and/or dirty head. > L > There is a utility called VMSTPCE which has better error handling and ableM > to skip over bad areas of a tape.  If you cannot find it on the freeware or K > on process.com's ftp server, let me know. jfmezei at vaxination period ca    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2006 04:01:14 -0800! From: "alok" <alok.net@gmail.com> 2 Subject: Re: How to read file from tape in VAX vmsB Message-ID: <1162296074.210624.53010@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   I got that . thanks  JF Mezei wrote: 
 > alok wrote: 0 > > $ copy mka700:crm.dat dka100:[ncp73]alok.dat6 > > %COPY-E-READERR, error reading _JAGUAR$MKA700:[].; > > -RMS-F-RER, file read error " > > -SYSTEM-F-PARITY, parity error > * > Looks like a bad tape and/or dirty head. > L > There is a utility called VMSTPCE which has better error handling and ableM > to skip over bad areas of a tape.  If you cannot find it on the freeware or K > on process.com's ftp server, let me know. jfmezei at vaxination period ca    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2006 00:49:18 -0800  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> Subject: Re: ITRC???B Message-ID: <1162284558.004359.31360@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  ! try email to itrc_support at hp ?   ' have you asked your question on eisner?    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2006 01:05:29 -0800  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> Subject: Re: ITRC???C Message-ID: <1162285529.510675.297760@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   F could there be some fixup normally done for execlets which is not doneB becuase there is no code? Is there a type of image section that is@ normally present which is not present in your data only execlet?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:17:01 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: ITRC???0 Message-ID: <00A5E03C.A4428721@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <1162284558.004359.31360@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes:  >  > " >try email to itrc_support at hp ?   No but thanks for the addy.     ( >have you asked your question on eisner?  F Again, no.  I have asked to have some folks inside of VMS engineering 1 answer my questions.  Not a peep from inside yet.    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:33:19 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: ITRC???0 Message-ID: <00A5E03E.EB4E1E0C@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <1162256415.104193.114080@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> writes: >  >  >Hi there Brian, > 0 >google: +Schenkenberger +site:itrc.hp.com   -->V >http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/publicProfile.do?userId=CA1226205&forumId=1 > : >CA1226205 is the system name for the account you created. > B >You could just grab a fresh name... and find it is already in use >because it is you? :-)    Huh?  G I find these stupid assigned usernames as difficult to remember as ITRC 
 is to use.   = A user selectable username would be the ideal way to do this.    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2006 04:21:28 -0800< From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: ITRC???C Message-ID: <1162297288.561717.260010@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > In article <1162256415.104193.114080@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> writes: > >  > >  > >Hi there Brian, > > 2 > >google: +Schenkenberger +site:itrc.hp.com   -->X > >http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/publicProfile.do?userId=CA1226205&forumId=1 > > < > >CA1226205 is the system name for the account you created.  " Isn't that CA1226205 all you need?  [ > >You could just grab a fresh name... and find it is already in use because it is you? :-)  >  > Huh?  : I can log in with an Email address of mine, or the number.F I assumed that the Email address was a selfpicked name but it may have, been forced to be the Email for the account.  A Anyway, I found once or twice before (for other sites) that I had F forgotten my self assigned username or self picked Email that I pickedF the lost name when I just tried to create a fresh account. Dunno why IC did not remember the name for the login attempts, just that it came B back when I created a new one (and perhaps was reminded of certain silly rules to conform to).   T > I find these stupid assigned usernames as difficult to remember as ITRC is to use.  & It's not the best, it's not the worst.  ? > A user selectable username would be the ideal way to do this.   8 I never use the number myself, just the an Email for me.  % Ian>try email to itrc_support at hp ?  No but thanks for the addy.   & Hmm, why was that not your first step?A They have been responsive in the past, but you need to ask first.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:19:57 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: ITRC???0 Message-ID: <00A5E066.F5B32336@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <1162297288.561717.260010@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> writes: >No but thanks for the addy. > ' >Hmm, why was that not your first step? B >They have been responsive in the past, but you need to ask first. > L FWIW, I logged in and searched.  There are no topics even remotely connected to LEIs.    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:49:08 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Mozilla file protection violations 8 Message-ID: <f34d5$45471c3b$cef8887a$26936@TEKSAVVY.COM>  
 SWB 1.7.13J Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS AlphaServer_DS10L_466_MHz; en-US; rv:1.7.13)  Gecko/20060506   I start Mozilla this way:  from node VELO:   	 MC SYSMAN 7 SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE=BIKE/USER=QUAGMIRE/PASSWORD=FEMALE 6 SYSMAN> DO RUN/PROC=MOZILLA/AUTH=UIC=QUAGMIRE/DETACH -& 	/INPUT=SYS$COMMON:[CSWB]MOZILLA.COM -% 	/OUTPUT=USRDIR:[QUAGMIRE]MOZILLA.LOG   B During the application startup, it generates the following alarms:5 (failed operations due to file protection violations)   = -Tries to create XPTI_DAT.TMP in VMS$COMMON:[CSWB.COMPONENTS] 9 -Tries to delete CHROME.RDF from VMS$COMMON:[CSWB.CHROME] 9 -Tries to delete CHROME.RDF from VMS$COMMON:[CSWB.CHROME] 9 -Tries to create CHROME.RDF in   VMS$COMMON:[CSWB.CHROME]   < (the actual alarms are included for your convenience below).  D In my _MOZILLA.DEFAULT.mumble_jumble private directory, there is no L XPTI_DAT.TMP file, nor is there a .COMPONENTS directory. There is however a C CHROME.RDF file in the CHROME subdirectory below the mumble_jumble   directory name.   + ( mumble_jumble = M3GHE34L_SLT in my case )   K Once it has started, it doesn't generate more OPCOM messages, unless I try  L a file:/// operation at which point it generates a slews of OPCOM messages, B but ends up displayiong a list of all disk devices on the system. H Interesting, there is one drive (a CD) that seems to be readable to the I public and it shows up with a folder icon and I can navigate down to see  K the files. (this ia a VMS doc CD). For the other drives, they show up as a  L document icon and clicking on it generate an alert that the document cannot 2 be found (as well as generating an opcom message).  I The default privs for that user are NETMBX, TMPMBX, but authorized privs  $ include sysprv, world, logio, oper).  H The outpt file (MOZILLA.LOG in my case) does not seem to have any error E messages. There is a whole bunch of DCL that executes berore the MCR   SYS$COMMON:[CSWB]MOZILLA-BIN.   : (ahh... note the missing .EXE in the main image file name)  2 WHAT WAS THE "S" IN "CSWB" SUPPOSED TO STAND FOR ?   What does it stand for now ?      8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  31-OCT-2006 04:11:21.42  %%%%%%%%%%%& Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on BIKE2 Security alarm (SECURITY) on BIKE, system id: 1034' Auditable event:          Object access H Event information:        directory entry creation request (IO$_ACCESS,   4                            IO$_CREATE, or IO$_ENTER)1 Event time:               31-OCT-2006 04:11:21.41 " PID:                      2760017D! Process name:             MOZILLA " Username:                 QUAGMIRE! Process owner:            [20,20] E Image name:               $2$DQA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][CSWB]MOZILLA-BIN.  Object class name:        FILE" Object owner:             [SYSTEM]C Object protection:        SYSTEM:RWE, OWNER:RWE, GROUP:RE, WORLD:RE D Directory name:           _$2$DQA0:[VMS$COMMON.CSWB]COMPONENTS.DIR;1% Directory ID:             (16019,1,0) ( Directory entry:          XPTI_DAT.TMP;0$ Access requested:         READ,WRITE Posix UID:                -2) Posix GID:                -2 (%XFFFFFFFE) " Sequence key:             0028542AE Status:                   %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or 6                            object protection violation      8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  31-OCT-2006 04:11:27.88  %%%%%%%%%%%& Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on BIKE2 Security alarm (SECURITY) on BIKE, system id: 1034' Auditable event:          Object access F Event information:        directory entry removal request (IO$_DELETE)1 Event time:               31-OCT-2006 04:11:27.88 " PID:                      2760017D! Process name:             MOZILLA " Username:                 QUAGMIRE! Process owner:            [20,20] E Image name:               $2$DQA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][CSWB]MOZILLA-BIN.  Object class name:        FILE" Object owner:             [SYSTEM]C Object protection:        SYSTEM:RWE, OWNER:RWE, GROUP:RE, WORLD:RE @ Directory name:           _$2$DQA0:[VMS$COMMON.CSWB]CHROME.DIR;1$ Directory ID:             (9584,4,0)& Directory entry:          CHROME.RDF;1$ Access requested:         READ,WRITE Posix UID:                -2) Posix GID:                -2 (%XFFFFFFFE) " Sequence key:             00285BF6E Status:                   %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or 7                             object protection violation   8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  31-OCT-2006 04:11:27.89  %%%%%%%%%%%& Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on BIKE2 Security alarm (SECURITY) on BIKE, system id: 1034' Auditable event:          Object access F Event information:        directory entry removal request (IO$_DELETE)1 Event time:               31-OCT-2006 04:11:27.89 " PID:                      2760017D! Process name:             MOZILLA " Username:                 QUAGMIRE! Process owner:            [20,20] E Image name:               $2$DQA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][CSWB]MOZILLA-BIN.  Object class name:        FILE" Object owner:             [SYSTEM]C Object protection:        SYSTEM:RWE, OWNER:RWE, GROUP:RE, WORLD:RE @ Directory name:           _$2$DQA0:[VMS$COMMON.CSWB]CHROME.DIR;1$ Directory ID:             (9584,4,0)& Directory entry:          CHROME.RDF;1$ Access requested:         READ,WRITE Posix UID:                -2) Posix GID:                -2 (%XFFFFFFFE) " Sequence key:             00285BFFE Status:                   %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or 6                            object protection violation  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  31-OCT-2006 04:11:27.94  %%%%%%%%%%%& Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on BIKE2 Security alarm (SECURITY) on BIKE, system id: 1034' Auditable event:          Object access H Event information:        directory entry creation request (IO$_ACCESS,  IO$_CREA TE, or IO$_ENTER) 1 Event time:               31-OCT-2006 04:11:27.94 " PID:                      2760017D! Process name:             MOZILLA " Username:                 QUAGMIRE! Process owner:            [20,20] E Image name:               $2$DQA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][CSWB]MOZILLA-BIN.  Object class name:        FILE" Object owner:             [SYSTEM]C Object protection:        SYSTEM:RWE, OWNER:RWE, GROUP:RE, WORLD:RE @ Directory name:           _$2$DQA0:[VMS$COMMON.CSWB]CHROME.DIR;1$ Directory ID:             (9584,4,0)& Directory entry:          CHROME.RDF;0$ Access requested:         READ,WRITE Posix UID:                -2) Posix GID:                -2 (%XFFFFFFFE) " Sequence key:             00285C06E Status:                   %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or 6                            object protection violation   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2006 07:42:53 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: Mozilla file protection violations 3 Message-ID: <bz2+Fvh0FYu5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <f34d5$45471c3b$cef8887a$26936@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > SWB 1.7.13L > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS AlphaServer_DS10L_466_MHz; en-US; rv:1.7.13)  > Gecko/20060506 >  > I start Mozilla this way:  > from node VELO:  >  > MC SYSMAN 9 > SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE=BIKE/USER=QUAGMIRE/PASSWORD=FEMALE 8 > SYSMAN> DO RUN/PROC=MOZILLA/AUTH=UIC=QUAGMIRE/DETACH -( > 	/INPUT=SYS$COMMON:[CSWB]MOZILLA.COM -' > 	/OUTPUT=USRDIR:[QUAGMIRE]MOZILLA.LOG  > D > During the application startup, it generates the following alarms:7 > (failed operations due to file protection violations)  > ? > -Tries to create XPTI_DAT.TMP in VMS$COMMON:[CSWB.COMPONENTS] ; > -Tries to delete CHROME.RDF from VMS$COMMON:[CSWB.CHROME] ; > -Tries to delete CHROME.RDF from VMS$COMMON:[CSWB.CHROME] ; > -Tries to create CHROME.RDF in   VMS$COMMON:[CSWB.CHROME]  >   G    A few years ago I complained about this on Bugzilla.  I was told the I    developers were quite sure all the file accesses were coded correctly. G    I was also asked to try a later version, which my 7.2-1 VMS couldn't "    support, so we just dropped it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:21:10 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> / Subject: Re: Mozilla file protection violations J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-D1E33B.15211031102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  8 In article <f34d5$45471c3b$cef8887a$26936@TEKSAVVY.COM>,/  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > SWB 1.7.13L > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; OpenVMS AlphaServer_DS10L_466_MHz; en-US; rv:1.7.13)  > Gecko/20060506 >  > I start Mozilla this way:  > from node VELO:  >  > MC SYSMAN 9 > SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE=BIKE/USER=QUAGMIRE/PASSWORD=FEMALE 8 > SYSMAN> DO RUN/PROC=MOZILLA/AUTH=UIC=QUAGMIRE/DETACH -( > 	/INPUT=SYS$COMMON:[CSWB]MOZILLA.COM -' > 	/OUTPUT=USRDIR:[QUAGMIRE]MOZILLA.LOG   F Are you installing Mozilla during system startup? I do that, then run , Mozilla itself from an unprivileged account.  I If you @ Mozilla_startup (or whatever it's called) during SYSTARTUP_VMS,  D it gives a slew of messages on the console, so I use SUBMIT instead.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:01:14 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> = Subject: Re: Observations on Samba for VMS (CIFS Kit from HP) ; Message-ID: <NOKdnRNUOIG91NrYnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@adelphia.com>    Paul Sture wrote: B > In article <craigberry-24E073.21374030102006@free.teranews.com>,: >  "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> wrote: > 
 >>In article  A >><paul.sture.nospam-0EBE14.10073430102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>, 3 >> Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:  >> >>M >>>>2) File size limitations.  One of the walls I keep hitting with Advanced  J >>>>Server is the 4GB file size limit.  Samba on Linux has supported very L >>>>large files for a while now.  I was very surprised to find that the CIFS   >>>>kit maxes out at 2GB files! >>> I >>>Could this be a compilation option? When you say "Samba on Linux", is  8 >>>that a general thing, or a specific flavour of Linux? >>G >>In principle it's just a matter of compiling with /DEFINE=_LARGEFILE  H >>and then tracking down any cases where someone should have used off_t I >>but used int instead.  Real life could, of course, be more complicated.  >>3 >>Glancing at the configuration template for Samba:  >>K >>http://viewcvs.samba.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/branches/SAMBA_3_0_24/source % >>/configure.in?rev=19467&view=markup  >>H > Thanks for the pointer to "LARGEFILE". I did have a quick peek at the I > sources delivered with the evaluation kit, but didn't know what likely   > keywords to search for.   I The OpenVMS build should be being built with _USE_STD_STAT defined which    forces _LARGEFILE to be defined.  G And of course making sure that the config.h options are all set for 64   bit off_t values.   I I do not know why the evaluation release is not working for large files,  I since it is supposed to be being built to use the standard stat function.   B I had an alternate build of SAMBA V3 and SAMBA V4 using GNV tools F running.  That build was not yet producing functional code, as it was C being setup to enable "Domain Trusts" and when the Kerberos / LDAP  A clients on OpenVMS are updated, to provide full Active Directory  G Support.  This is mostly the pure UNIX source, and has not had all the  ' OpenVMS specific required tweaks added.   9 The HP team working on OpenVMS CIFS has that information.   G I am no longer working at HP and am available for full time employment.   I I have the components of reasonably current GTK+ 2.x building on OpenVMS  F using the UNIX build procedures (VIA GNV) and passing the majority of F the built-in tests.  This includes running the GTK+ 2.x demonstration H programs.  It only needs slightly more work to be suitable for real use.     -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network# malmberg@encompasserve.organization  Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:01:22 +1100 6 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>2 Subject: RE: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card?X Message-ID: <0A7046B0A95F2B41B3712F0C5FD1CDC303BBD7@ex-tg2-pr.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCC3.2C9F7B4F . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable          -----Original Message-----6 From: Paul Sture [mailto:paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch] Sent: Tue 10/31/2006 2:48 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 Subject: Re: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card? =20  [snips]   H To err is human, but for a truly massive cockup, you need a computer :-)  
 Paul Sture   *****   L Even bigger are occasioned by lawyers, accountants and economists.  But, th== en, none of those are part of the human race, just parasites.    Regards, Paddy      G *********************************************************************** ; Please consider the environment before printing this email.   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20 C immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20 ? individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20 C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  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TransGrid uses<BR> B virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  </FONT>  </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCC3.2C9F7B4F--    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:57:51 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 2 Subject: Re: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card?J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-6C74F8.14575131102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>   In article  H <0A7046B0A95F2B41B3712F0C5FD1CDC303BBD7@ex-tg2-pr.corporate.transgrid.lo cal>, 8  "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote:   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: Paul Sture [mailto:paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch] > Sent: Tue 10/31/2006 2:48 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4 > Subject: Re: Powerstorm vs Elsa Gloria video card? >   	 > [snips]  > J > To err is human, but for a truly massive cockup, you need a computer :-) >  > Paul Sture >  > *****  > K > Even bigger are occasioned by lawyers, accountants and economists.  But,  A > then, none of those are part of the human race, just parasites.  >  > Regards, Paddy >   D Of course. I *did* learn the above phrase from a bean counter in my  early days in computing. :-)  E Chuckle. The same bean counter who liked to "help" me run the weekly  I payroll, run something in the wrong order, then retreat to the safety of  H his office, leaving me to reach for the backups. I should have realised E then that a career in, say, lion taming could have been less fraught.   8 PS - congratulations on beating Outlook in this post :-)   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2006 00:57:08 -0800  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>2 Subject: Re: PWS 600 au keeps going into AlphaBIOSA Message-ID: <1162285028.192414.67990@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    me too! :-)   E that is my 433au would go into alphabios on power on until I replaced G the battery (which is a common model of battery). It's been fine since.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:00:01 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 2 Subject: Re: PWS 600 au keeps going into AlphaBIOSJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-25B5B9.15000131102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  A In article <1162285028.192414.67990@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, "  "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote:  
 > me too! :-)  > G > that is my 433au would go into alphabios on power on until I replaced I > the battery (which is a common model of battery). It's been fine since.    Thanks for the confirmation.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2006 07:09:50 -0800  From: "Mike" <mlpoole@gmail.com> Subject: RMSC Message-ID: <1162307390.531074.131240@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   ? Does anyone know a good resource where I can read up on the RMS 	 database?   . Is it a commercial product or built in to VMS?  G My company runs some really old software that is in RMS and I wanted to = learn if there are some tools to view or parse the data, etc.   D Currently we run a nightly job through Easysoft ODBC to pull the RMSB stuff over into SQL Server but I would love to use some tools likeE Attunity to view an manipulate the data real time from either Windows  or VMS.    Forgive my ingorance.. :)    Thanks   Mike   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2006 08:55:21 -0800) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com>  Subject: Re: RMSC Message-ID: <1162313721.223969.145290@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Mike wrote: A > Does anyone know a good resource where I can read up on the RMS  > database?  > 0 > Is it a commercial product or built in to VMS? > I > My company runs some really old software that is in RMS and I wanted to ? > learn if there are some tools to view or parse the data, etc.  > F > Currently we run a nightly job through Easysoft ODBC to pull the RMSD > stuff over into SQL Server but I would love to use some tools likeG > Attunity to view an manipulate the data real time from either Windows 	 > or VMS.  >  > Forgive my ingorance.. :)  >  > Thanks >  > Mike   Mike,   2 As Ian pointed out,  the RMS manuals are online at http://www.hp/com/go/openvms  D RMS is a full-function record management package that is the defaultA mechanism for accessing records in files on OpenVMS. It supports, E fixed, variable, and stream files, in sequential, relative, and keyed  organizations.  = This is similar to the access methods of IBM's OS/360 and its F descendants. There is no true equivalent in the Windows or *IX worlds.  $ - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:22:30 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: Re: RMS= Message-ID: <qDL1h.137651$3D1.7561@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Mike wrote:   F > Currently we run a nightly job through Easysoft ODBC to pull the RMSD > stuff over into SQL Server but I would love to use some tools likeG > Attunity to view an manipulate the data real time from either Windows 	 > or VMS.   F Ok Attunity would certainly let you do that but, as far as I know, so G will your existing Easysoft ODBC drivers. If you've already got a link  F to SQL Server why not just manipulate the data directly over the ODBC = connection instead of (or in addition to) importing it first?    >  > Forgive my ingorance.. :)  >  > Thanks >  > Mike >      --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:59:19 +1100 6 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>$ Subject: RE: Time change questions !X Message-ID: <0A7046B0A95F2B41B3712F0C5FD1CDC303BBD6@ex-tg2-pr.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCC2.781ED309 . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable     L Geez, I'm top posting again :-(  But I'm using Outhouse ( a dunny in .au) W=? eb Access and I have not found a way to do normal mail replies.   L When we had the Sydney Olympics in 2000,  The Government decided to change =L the Summer time thingy.  I cannot remember all the details, except that lit=L tle Bill turned out a patch for the clock change.  Some firms applied it, b=L ut others did not.  Our company's contractors apparently put it into the to=L o hard basket (as they do with most challenges), so we went with Bill's ori=L ginal which was wrong for NSW.  For a week in .au it was a bit chaotic as t=L o when you could ring someone, even in the same state, or internally what t= ime a meeting was scheduled.  L With rules that can change randomly/politically (probably the same thing), =L I believe that it is better to let an administrator run SPRINGFORWARD and F=L ALLBACK (or something equivalent), or even just change the time manually.  =L The system obviously copes with the forward direction, but the backwards sh=L ould probably use a FALLBACK equivalent.  I know that many components of DE=L Cset do not like it, but then not too many of us here -- my company -- (rea=( d none) are working at 2:00 on a Sunday.  L [I used to have a problem with DECset when we were a VAX and Alpha cluster =L and supported both architectures.  Owing to the slight clock drift between =L the nodes, I could get "dirty" messages from DECset on either architecture.=L   Since VAX does not support F90, we no longer support VAX systems.  The co=L mpany has not moved some people to Alpha (trying to do away with VMS anyway=L ), but I have an unclustered VAXstation 4000-60 and a DS10 on my desk.  The=L  former is only used for transport, particularly when I am debugging.  I al=L so look after our production ES40, which has about 15 - 20% of our electric=L al engineers using our programs.  So figure, our current IT manager is an e=L x-bean counter and other IT high-ups are either ex-accountants or ex-econom=J ists.  The only two technical people they have ever had chose other jobs.]   Regards, Paddy   -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com] Sent: Tue 10/31/2006 4:12 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com $ Subject: Re: Time change questions ! =20  Stephen Hoffman wrote:H >    There are applications around which do not react appropriately when > the time changes -    C However, when you consider that competing modern OS have automated, E sudden time changes,  new applications, often written for such OS and D later ported to VMS, would have been written to handle such a sudden time change.  C If you have an old application being installed onto a fresh/new VMS C instance, then perhspas the onus should be on the system manager to E disable to automated time change. Wouldn't the vast majnority of apps " now survive a sudden time change ?  C If you do financial transactions and you really do not want to have H transactions "back dated", then you need to a a lot to handle those timeE changes and would have to be very aware of everything and disable the G SYSGEN AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV parameter (and possibly use some app that tweaks 8 the clock rate to slowly drift it to lose/gain an hour).        G *********************************************************************** ; Please consider the environment before printing this email.   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  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TransGrid uses > virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************     ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCC2.781ED309 - Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>L <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> L <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7233.69">* <TITLE>RE: Time change questions !</TITLE> </HEAD>  <BODY>) <!-- Converted from text/plain format -->  <BR>  L <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Geez, I'm top posting again :-(&nbsp; But I'm using Outho=L use ( a dunny in .au) Web Access and I have not found a way to do normal ma= il replies.<BR>  <BR>L When we had the Sydney Olympics in 2000,&nbsp; The Government decided to ch=L ange the Summer time thingy.&nbsp; I cannot remember all the details, excep=L t that little Bill turned out a patch for the clock change.&nbsp; Some firm=L s applied it, but others did not.&nbsp; Our company's contractors apparentl=L y put it into the too hard basket (as they do with most challenges), so we =L went with Bill's original which was wrong for NSW.&nbsp; For a week in .au =L it was a bit chaotic as to when you could ring someone, even in the same st=9 ate, or internally what time a meeting was scheduled.<BR>  <BR>L With rules that can change randomly/politically (probably the same thing), =L I believe that it is better to let an administrator run SPRINGFORWARD and F=L ALLBACK (or something equivalent), or even just change the time manually.&n=L bsp; The system obviously copes with the forward direction, but the backwar=L ds should probably use a FALLBACK equivalent.&nbsp; I know that many compon=L ents of DECset do not like it, but then not too many of us here -- my compa=6 ny -- (read none) are working at 2:00 on a Sunday.<BR> <BR>L [I used to have a problem with DECset when we were a VAX and Alpha cluster =L and supported both architectures.&nbsp; Owing to the slight clock drift bet=L ween the nodes, I could get &quot;dirty&quot; messages from DECset on eithe=L r architecture.&nbsp; Since VAX does not support F90, we no longer support =L VAX systems.&nbsp; The company has not moved some people to Alpha (trying t=L o do away with VMS anyway), but I have an unclustered VAXstation 4000-60 an=L d a DS10 on my desk.&nbsp; The former is only used for transport, particula=L rly when I am debugging.&nbsp; I also look after our production ES40, which=L  has about 15 - 20% of our electrical engineers using our programs.&nbsp; S=L o figure, our current IT manager is an ex-bean counter and other IT high-up=L s are either ex-accountants or ex-economists.&nbsp; The only two technical =0 people they have ever had chose other jobs.]<BR> <BR> Regards, Paddy<BR> <BR> -----Original Message-----<BR>L From: JF Mezei [<A HREF=3D"mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com">mailto:jfme=! zei.spamnot@teksavvy.com</A>]<BR>   Sent: Tue 10/31/2006 4:12 PM<BR> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com<BR> ( Subject: Re: Time change questions !<BR> <BR> Stephen Hoffman wrote:<BR>L &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; There are applications around which do not react app= ropriately when<BR>  &gt; the time changes -<BR>  <BR> <BR>G However, when you consider that competing modern OS have automated,<BR> L sudden time changes,&nbsp; new applications, often written for such OS and<= BR> H later ported to VMS, would have been written to handle such a sudden<BR> time change.<BR> <BR>G If you have an old application being installed onto a fresh/new VMS<BR> G instance, then perhspas the onus should be on the system manager to<BR> I disable to automated time change. Wouldn't the vast majnority of apps<BR> & now survive a sudden time change ?<BR> <BR>G If you do financial transactions and you really do not want to have<BR> L transactions &quot;back dated&quot;, then you need to a a lot to handle tho= se time<BR> I changes and would have to be very aware of everything and disable the<BR> K SYSGEN AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV parameter (and possibly use some app that tweaks<BR> < the clock rate to slowly drift it to lose/gain an hour).<BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT>  </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>  <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR> ? Please consider the environment before printing this email.<BR>  <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR> B and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of <BR>G this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise<BR> F the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, <BR>; distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.<BR>  <BR>E If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid <BR> E immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the <BR> A individual sender except where the sender expressly and with <BR> G authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses<BR> B virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  </FONT>  </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCC2.781ED309--    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:24:22 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-A05B26.14242231102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  , In article <4546DB22.A3F9C0DF@teksavvy.com>,/  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > Stephen Hoffman wrote:J > >    There are applications around which do not react appropriately when > > the time changes - >    <snip>   > E > If you do financial transactions and you really do not want to have J > transactions "back dated", then you need to a a lot to handle those timeG > changes and would have to be very aware of everything and disable the I > SYSGEN AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV parameter (and possibly use some app that tweaks : > the clock rate to slowly drift it to lose/gain an hour).  F Recording the dates and times of financial transactions in GMT (UTC)  H seems the sensible thing to do. I know it ain't fashionable to say that D NT got something right around these parts, but NTFS does store file  dates in UTC   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:58:46 -0500 8 From: Stephen Hoffman <Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org>$ Subject: Re: Time change questions !( Message-ID: <ei7ob9$28a$1@pyrite.mv.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Stephen Hoffman wrote:I >>    There are applications around which do not react appropriately when  >> the time changes -  >  > E > However, when you consider that competing modern OS have automated, G > sudden time changes,  new applications, often written for such OS and F > later ported to VMS, would have been written to handle such a sudden > time change.  G    That's a wonderful world you seem to live in.  Can some of us folks  = out here in the cold, dark ugliness come visit sometime?  :-)   C    But in any case, go convince HP of this, as they're the ones to  F change the installation defaults.  (I'd bet that they won't, but they  own that call...)    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:13:46 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk$ Subject: RE: Time change questions !, Message-ID: <ei7snq$kf3$2@south.jnrs.ja.net>   In article <0A7046B0A95F2B41B3712F0C5FD1CDC303BBD6@ex-tg2-pr.corporate.transgrid.local>, "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> writes: - >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  > ( >------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCC2.781ED309/ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" , >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >  > M >Geez, I'm top posting again :-(  But I'm using Outhouse ( a dunny in .au) W= @ >eb Access and I have not found a way to do normal mail replies. > M >When we had the Sydney Olympics in 2000,  The Government decided to change = M >the Summer time thingy.  I cannot remember all the details, except that lit= M >tle Bill turned out a patch for the clock change.  Some firms applied it, b= M >ut others did not.  Our company's contractors apparently put it into the to= M >o hard basket (as they do with most challenges), so we went with Bill's ori= M >ginal which was wrong for NSW.  For a week in .au it was a bit chaotic as t= M >o when you could ring someone, even in the same state, or internally what t=  >ime a meeting was scheduled.  >   J Microsoft had problems with the time change affecting Meetings in Exchange again this year    see   > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/20/microsoft_time_bender/      
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University    M >With rules that can change randomly/politically (probably the same thing), = M >I believe that it is better to let an administrator run SPRINGFORWARD and F= M >ALLBACK (or something equivalent), or even just change the time manually.  = M >The system obviously copes with the forward direction, but the backwards sh= M >ould probably use a FALLBACK equivalent.  I know that many components of DE= M >Cset do not like it, but then not too many of us here -- my company -- (rea= ) >d none) are working at 2:00 on a Sunday.  > M >[I used to have a problem with DECset when we were a VAX and Alpha cluster = M >and supported both architectures.  Owing to the slight clock drift between = M >the nodes, I could get "dirty" messages from DECset on either architecture.= M >  Since VAX does not support F90, we no longer support VAX systems.  The co= M >mpany has not moved some people to Alpha (trying to do away with VMS anyway= M >), but I have an unclustered VAXstation 4000-60 and a DS10 on my desk.  The= M > former is only used for transport, particularly when I am debugging.  I al= M >so look after our production ES40, which has about 15 - 20% of our electric= M >al engineers using our programs.  So figure, our current IT manager is an e= M >x-bean counter and other IT high-ups are either ex-accountants or ex-econom= K >ists.  The only two technical people they have ever had chose other jobs.]  >  >Regards, Paddy  >  >-----Original Message----- 5 >From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]  >Sent: Tue 10/31/2006 4:12 PM  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com% >Subject: Re: Time change questions !  >=20 >Stephen Hoffman wrote: I >>    There are applications around which do not react appropriately when  >> the time changes -  >  > D >However, when you consider that competing modern OS have automated,F >sudden time changes,  new applications, often written for such OS andE >later ported to VMS, would have been written to handle such a sudden 
 >time change.  > D >If you have an old application being installed onto a fresh/new VMSD >instance, then perhspas the onus should be on the system manager toF >disable to automated time change. Wouldn't the vast majnority of apps# >now survive a sudden time change ?  > D >If you do financial transactions and you really do not want to haveI >transactions "back dated", then you need to a a lot to handle those time F >changes and would have to be very aware of everything and disable theH >SYSGEN AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV parameter (and possibly use some app that tweaks9 >the clock rate to slowly drift it to lose/gain an hour).  >  >  >  > H >***********************************************************************< >Please consider the environment before printing this email. > D >"This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedA >and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20 E >addressees named above.  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TransGrid uses? >virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses  >contained in any attachment.  > = >Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now % >firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  > H >*********************************************************************** >  > ( >------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCC2.781ED309. >Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1", >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > 2 ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> ><HTML>  ><HEAD> M ><META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-=  >1">M ><META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7233.69"> + ><TITLE>RE: Time change questions !</TITLE>  ></HEAD> ><BODY> * ><!-- Converted from text/plain format --> ><BR>  > M ><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Geez, I'm top posting again :-(&nbsp; But I'm using Outho= M >use ( a dunny in .au) Web Access and I have not found a way to do normal ma=  >il replies.<BR> ><BR> M >When we had the Sydney Olympics in 2000,&nbsp; The Government decided to ch= M >ange the Summer time thingy.&nbsp; I cannot remember all the details, excep= M >t that little Bill turned out a patch for the clock change.&nbsp; Some firm= M >s applied it, but others did not.&nbsp; Our company's contractors apparentl= M >y put it into the too hard basket (as they do with most challenges), so we = M >went with Bill's original which was wrong for NSW.&nbsp; For a week in .au = M >it was a bit chaotic as to when you could ring someone, even in the same st= : >ate, or internally what time a meeting was scheduled.<BR> ><BR> M >With rules that can change randomly/politically (probably the same thing), = M >I believe that it is better to let an administrator run SPRINGFORWARD and F= M >ALLBACK (or something equivalent), or even just change the time manually.&n= M >bsp; The system obviously copes with the forward direction, but the backwar= M >ds should probably use a FALLBACK equivalent.&nbsp; I know that many compon= M >ents of DECset do not like it, but then not too many of us here -- my compa= 7 >ny -- (read none) are working at 2:00 on a Sunday.<BR>  ><BR> M >[I used to have a problem with DECset when we were a VAX and Alpha cluster = M >and supported both architectures.&nbsp; Owing to the slight clock drift bet= M >ween the nodes, I could get &quot;dirty&quot; messages from DECset on eithe= M >r architecture.&nbsp; Since VAX does not support F90, we no longer support = M >VAX systems.&nbsp; The company has not moved some people to Alpha (trying t= M >o do away with VMS anyway), but I have an unclustered VAXstation 4000-60 an= M >d a DS10 on my desk.&nbsp; The former is only used for transport, particula= M >rly when I am debugging.&nbsp; I also look after our production ES40, which= M > has about 15 - 20% of our electrical engineers using our programs.&nbsp; S= M >o figure, our current IT manager is an ex-bean counter and other IT high-up= M >s are either ex-accountants or ex-economists.&nbsp; The only two technical = 1 >people they have ever had chose other jobs.]<BR>  ><BR>  >Regards, Paddy<BR>  ><BR>  >-----Original Message-----<BR> M >From: JF Mezei [<A HREF=3D"mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com">mailto:jfme= " >zei.spamnot@teksavvy.com</A>]<BR>! >Sent: Tue 10/31/2006 4:12 PM<BR>  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com<BR>) >Subject: Re: Time change questions !<BR>  ><BR>  >Stephen Hoffman wrote:<BR> M >&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; There are applications around which do not react app=  >ropriately when<BR> >&gt; the time changes -<BR> ><BR>  ><BR> H >However, when you consider that competing modern OS have automated,<BR>M >sudden time changes,&nbsp; new applications, often written for such OS and<=  >BR>I >later ported to VMS, would have been written to handle such a sudden<BR>  >time change.<BR>  ><BR> H >If you have an old application being installed onto a fresh/new VMS<BR>H >instance, then perhspas the onus should be on the system manager to<BR>J >disable to automated time change. Wouldn't the vast majnority of apps<BR>' >now survive a sudden time change ?<BR>  ><BR> H >If you do financial transactions and you really do not want to have<BR>M >transactions &quot;back dated&quot;, then you need to a a lot to handle tho=  >se time<BR>J >changes and would have to be very aware of everything and disable the<BR>L >SYSGEN AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV parameter (and possibly use some app that tweaks<BR>= >the clock rate to slowly drift it to lose/gain an hour).<BR>  ><BR>  ><BR>  ></FONT> ></P>  >  ><FONT SIZE=3D3><BR> ><BR> L >***********************************************************************<BR>@ >Please consider the environment before printing this email.<BR> ><BR> H >"This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR>C >and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR> G >addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of <BR> H >this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise<BR>G >the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, <BR> < >distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.<BR> ><BR> F >If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid <BR>F >immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the <BR>B >individual sender except where the sender expressly and with <BR>H >authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses<BR>C >virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR> ! >contained in any attachment.<BR>  ><BR> A >Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR> ) >firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR>  ><BR> L >***********************************************************************<BR> ></FONT> ></BODY> ></HTML>* >------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FCC2.781ED309--   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:17:04 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> $ Subject: Re: Time change questions !J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-4F21C3.17170431102006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  < In article <454763ab$0$14842$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>,+  "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote:   ? > "Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in message  F > news:paul.sture.nospam-A05B26.14242231102006@mac.sture.homeip.net... > [...snip...] > > H > > Recording the dates and times of financial transactions in GMT (UTC)K > > seems the sensible thing to do. I know it ain't fashionable to say that G > > NT got something right around these parts, but NTFS does store file  > > dates in UTC > >  > > Paul Sture > O > Question: Does Windows actually change the system clock when shifting in/out  9 > of daylight savings time or just the view of the clock?   E Good question. The only place I encountered having to do a UTC/local  E time conversion within a program was when looking at file dates. I'm  E reasonably sure that the system clock was changed, but it was a long  7 time ago, and I can't speak for later Windows versions.   G > The reason I ask this is that many modern UNIX systems (can) run the  L > internal system clock in GMT. A locale parameter is applied to the system L > clock to show you an adjusted local view. DST adjustments only affect the + > locale parameter, not the internal clock.   D IIRC, the Linux installations I tried had the option of running the H internal clock on either GMT or local time. Strictly speaking we should E be calling it UTC, not GMT - there's a chunk of stuff in the VMS FAQ  	 about it.   M > p.s. Thinking about how to make OpenVMS work like this, commands like $SHO  K > TIME and $SUBMIT/AFTER=time would also need to support the time zone. As  M > Hoff just mentioned, this would upset the existing installed base so if HP  H > decided to develop this, they would need to use a sysgen parameter or K > logical to enable it as required. Probably a huge job which would affect  ) > many of the UNIX languages (C/C++/Java)  >   G Wasn't there a bunch of CRTL locale routines introduced as far back as  D V6.2? I've never explicitly used them, but the VMS documentation is  beckoning here... :-)    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:09:06 -0500 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> 1 Subject: XML Parser OpenVMS 7.3-2 OSU Web Server. 5 Message-ID: <ei7hti$936$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   H Do you know of an xml parser that will work with osu web server running $ vms 7.3-2 and where I might find it?  G Do you know where I might find a list of web services that will run on   OSU web server?    Thanks in Advance,   Chuck    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 01:38:17 +1030 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>5 Subject: Re: XML Parser OpenVMS 7.3-2 OSU Web Server. 0 Message-ID: <12kem85nv7dva99@corp.supernews.com>   Chuck Aaron wrote:J > Do you know of an xml parser that will work with osu web server running & > vms 7.3-2 and where I might find it? > I > Do you know where I might find a list of web services that will run on   > OSU web server?  >  > Thanks in Advance, >  > Chuck   + libxml2 is a generic XML parse written in C       http://www.xmlsoft.org/  8 that has been used with some success in VMS Web projects  9    http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v7/wasd.html    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2006 06:34:45 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com 5 Subject: Re: XML Parser OpenVMS 7.3-2 OSU Web Server. C Message-ID: <1162305285.652566.133980@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Mark Daniel wrote: > - > libxml2 is a generic XML parse written in C  >  >    http://www.xmlsoft.org/ > : > that has been used with some success in VMS Web projects > : >    http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v7/wasd.htm  C Another parser is expat.c, which is more simplistic.  It's a stream E parser, where you have to pick out the tags as it goes.  For small or F simple documents, it can be quite useful.  For larger more complicatedE documents, libxml2 is better.  You can "navigate" around the document G as much as you need, since the whole document tree is stored in memory.   C If you are using PHP, you can use the php_xml extension, which does  come with the PHP kit for CSWS.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2006 07:19:46 -0800  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>5 Subject: Re: XML Parser OpenVMS 7.3-2 OSU Web Server. C Message-ID: <1162307986.250098.169030@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    on the latest freeware CD   = http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware80/libxml2-2_6_24/ : http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware80/libxslt_jfp/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:51:06 GMT + From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= 5 Subject: Re: XML Parser OpenVMS 7.3-2 OSU Web Server. 2 Message-ID: <e2M1h.21316$E02.8691@newsb.telia.net>   Ian Miller wrote :   > on the latest freeware CD  > ? > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware80/libxml2-2_6_24/     From the "readme" file : A "This package requires extended parsing and an ODS-5 (EFS) disk."     Might be/might not be a problem.  	 Jan-Erik.     < > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware80/libxslt_jfp/ >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.599 ************************