1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 02 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 481       Contents: Re: Authoring Tool for OpenVMS Re: CDE installation Re: Getting into VMS Re: Getting into VMS Re: Getting into VMS& Re: Locating early versions of VAX/VMSP RE: OT - running IE in Windows (was:Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is  dead, longP Re: OT - running IE in Windows (was:Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long P Re: OT - running IE in Windows (was:Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long  Still not firing up: VAX 6600 ! Re: Still not firing up: VAX 6600 ! Re: Still not firing up: VAX 6600 4 Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:20:13 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG' Subject: Re: Authoring Tool for OpenVMS 0 Message-ID: <00A5B1F1.13BC65FF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  H In article <edan0p01s9p@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes: >  >  >VAXman- wrote: K >> In article <eda7ga02973@enews3.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:  >> > >> >L >> >I'm reading over the "8.3 New Features and Documentation Overview" and I. >> >found the following interesting statement: >> > >> >----0 >> >9.2 Authoring Tool for OpenVMS Documentation >> >N >> >OpenVMS Documentation team is continuing to introduce books that have beenP >> >authored and published using a tool based on the Standard Generalized MarkupP >> >Language (SGML). SGML is an industry standard and will provide many benefits3 >> >to both the customer and OpenVMS documentation.  >> >N >> >Readers will notice a difference in appearance between books produced fromM >> >SGML and others in the documentation set. This is true for HTML, PDF, and M >> >printed formats and is a natural result of the new authoring environment.  >> >---- >> >O >> >Is this an Internal only tool, or is it available to users?  I for one have - >> >been looking for a way to do SGML on VMS.  >  >> DEC Document  > F >DEC Document is SDML, which isn't quite the same as SGML.  I take theM >section I quoted above to mean that they have moved off of DEC Document onto < >something new.  I want to know what this new thing is :^)    N I stand corrected.  I need to stop posting after staring at code all day long.   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 2 Sep 2006 03:40:30 -0700 / From: "Volker Halle" <volker_halle@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: CDE installation C Message-ID: <1157193630.502001.262270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   ) CDE has never been ported to OpenVMS VAX.    See ATW answer 3235 from 1999.  . http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_3235.html   --- , Volker Halle, Invenate GmbH, OpenVMS Support  # An OpenVMS crashdump analysis a day # makes the Windows headaches go away    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:33:39 -04007 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@fubar.comcast.net>  Subject: Re: Getting into VMS : Message-ID: <X7udnXFsBO_POWTZnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@comcast.com>  " Welcome back from the Dark Side...   Regards, Tom   * <faceman28208@yahoo.com> wrote in message = news:1157137648.049250.235780@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... H > While going Wikipedia looking for some work-related material I clickedI > off a few links and ended up on the VMS world. I have not touched a VMS - > system in over a decade (since I left DEC).  > I > I noticed that many of the things Digital used to keep under locked and H > key (e.g. SDL) or made difficult for customers to use (e.g. BLISS) areI > freely available. I see there is a hobbyist program as well. I see that ( > Alpha is dead and VMS has been ported. > F > Let's suppose that I wanted to buy/build a VMS, can one be had for aC > reasonable price? (Or is it like the old days when DEC gouged its + > customers in its quest for high margins.)  > 3 > How would one get a home VMS system these days???  > D > Do you have to get some special HP System or has HP had the common1 > sense to open up VMS to off-the-shelf hardware?  > H > I used to have a Vaxstation 3100 at home back in the days when I was aH > Digit. I remember how difficult DEC made it for employees to buy a VMS	 > system.  > F > After all these years of working on M$-DOG and Eunuchs it is amazingI > how far we have regressed since the height of VMS. One can only imagine E > where the industry could have been now if Digital had had some real 
 > management.  >  >>From the olde days: H > Q: What's the difference between Digital Equipment and the Boy Scouts?+ > A: The Boy Scouts have adult supervision.  >  > g, >    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 16:06:49 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Getting into VMS $ Message-ID: <edca6p$kl5$1@online.de>  * <faceman28208@yahoo.com> wrote in message = news:1157137648.049250.235780@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...   H > While going Wikipedia looking for some work-related material I clickedI > off a few links and ended up on the VMS world. I have not touched a VMS - > system in over a decade (since I left DEC).  > I > I noticed that many of the things Digital used to keep under locked and H > key (e.g. SDL) or made difficult for customers to use (e.g. BLISS) areI > freely available. I see there is a hobbyist program as well. I see that ( > Alpha is dead and VMS has been ported. > F > Let's suppose that I wanted to buy/build a VMS, can one be had for aC > reasonable price? (Or is it like the old days when DEC gouged its + > customers in its quest for high margins.)  > 3 > How would one get a home VMS system these days???   E Pick up a used VAX or ALPHA (for free!), get a hobbyist license (for  G free if you are a DECUS member, which in many countries is itself free  I or available for a nominal charge), buy some media from the hobbyist web  H site (for a reasonable fee) or borrow them (for free!), install VMS and  layered products and boot up!   D > Do you have to get some special HP System or has HP had the common1 > sense to open up VMS to off-the-shelf hardware?   E Define "off the shelf".  For a hobbyist system, the question is moot; D since you can get a system for free, who cares if it is proprietary H hardware?  (Actually, this might be a good thing, since DEC, especially * VAX, hardware tends to be quite reliable.)  H > I used to have a Vaxstation 3100 at home back in the days when I was aH > Digit. I remember how difficult DEC made it for employees to buy a VMS	 > system.   & Why buy when you can get one for free?  F > After all these years of working on M$-DOG and Eunuchs it is amazingI > how far we have regressed since the height of VMS. One can only imagine E > where the industry could have been now if Digital had had some real 
 > management.   G Indeed.  While VMS's visibility has gone downhill, VMS itself has made   lots of progress.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:23:23 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: Getting into VMS : Message-ID: <k6udnZgAQoGQI2TZnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@comcast.com>   faceman28208@yahoo.com wrote: H > While going Wikipedia looking for some work-related material I clickedI > off a few links and ended up on the VMS world. I have not touched a VMS - > system in over a decade (since I left DEC).  > I > I noticed that many of the things Digital used to keep under locked and H > key (e.g. SDL) or made difficult for customers to use (e.g. BLISS) areI > freely available. I see there is a hobbyist program as well. I see that ( > Alpha is dead and VMS has been ported. > F > Let's suppose that I wanted to buy/build a VMS, can one be had for aC > reasonable price? (Or is it like the old days when DEC gouged its + > customers in its quest for high margins.)  > 3 > How would one get a home VMS system these days???  > D > Do you have to get some special HP System or has HP had the common1 > sense to open up VMS to off-the-shelf hardware?  > H > I used to have a Vaxstation 3100 at home back in the days when I was aH > Digit. I remember how difficult DEC made it for employees to buy a VMS	 > system.  > F > After all these years of working on M$-DOG and Eunuchs it is amazingI > how far we have regressed since the height of VMS. One can only imagine E > where the industry could have been now if Digital had had some real 
 > management.  >  >>From the olde days: H > Q: What's the difference between Digital Equipment and the Boy Scouts?+ > A: The Boy Scouts have adult supervision.  >  > g, >   E You can pick up used DEC "kit" on e-Bay.  I have an old Alphastation  C 200/166 that I would part with for not too much money.  There is a  & vigorous market in used DEC equipment!  ! q.  How do you identify a DEC CE? I a.  He is the guy who is changing all his tires to see which one is flat!   $ q.  How do you tell if he's your CE? a.  His spare is flat!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 02:53:46 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com / Subject: Re: Locating early versions of VAX/VMS 0 Message-ID: <87ejuvmn9h.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  ' Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> writes:   E > A concern is that unless the oldest versions are read off tape, and A > copied to newer media, it may be lost forever once tape drives, F > tapes, and the systems attached to them experiences further hardwareE > failures over time. 25+ years is pretty good, but why further tempt 
 > fate? :)  7 A working version of DSC2 is also a good idea for this.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:35:29 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> Y Subject: RE: OT - running IE in Windows (was:Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is  dead, long T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B8684019BCAC9@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20 ! > Sent: September 1, 2006 3:59 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A > Subject: Re: OT - running IE in Windows (was:Re: Thoughts on=20 ? > the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC) dead, long live DEC)=20  > dead, long live DEC) >=20 > "Main, Kerry" wrote:H > > You are talking about ways to "hide" I.E. Actually removing from the@ > > system is akin to a brain transplant in terms of complexity. >=20G > What about DELETE EXPLORER.EXE or whatever executable is invoked when 1 > you start that Microsoft thing that does HTTP ?  >=20  3 Try it and see what happens on your Windows system.    :-)    It's a great exercise.=20   C [Just make sure you have the original OS CD's before you try this.]   > As others have stated, it is integrated throughout the OS with references in registry as well.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:10:26 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> Y Subject: Re: OT - running IE in Windows (was:Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long  J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-4FE064.16102602092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  0 In article <12fi96rm6o5qpaa@corp.supernews.com>,*  Phaeton <phaeton@internode.on.net> wrote:   > Paul Sture wrote: K > > In article <tLGdne4TGp1Sw2XZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>, . > >  Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote: > > & > >> http://www.litepc.com/xplite.html > >  > > Thanks for that link Bill. > >  > 	Or :  >  > 	http://www.nliteos.com/    B Thanks also. I don't have any Windows here at the moment, but I'm ' stashing these links for future use :-)    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:29:47 +1000 ( From: Phaeton <phaeton@internode.on.net>Y Subject: Re: OT - running IE in Windows (was:Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long  0 Message-ID: <12fi96rm6o5qpaa@corp.supernews.com>   Paul Sture wrote: I > In article <tLGdne4TGp1Sw2XZnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>, , >  Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote: > $ >> http://www.litepc.com/xplite.html >  > Thanks for that link Bill. >  	Or :    	http://www.nliteos.com/>                                                Cheers,   Csaba  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- D    CSABA I. HARANGOZO    |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|    phaeton@internode.on.netE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:  ,   Happiness is merely the remission of pain.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:46:41 -0700 ( From: Ian King <iking@cs.washington.edu>& Subject: Still not firing up: VAX 66001 Message-ID: <J4yDHx.FtF@beaver.cs.washington.edu>   F I've inquired of this group before and received some great guidance - H thanks to all of you who've helped.  But I still don't have my VAX 6600 I running.  The basic symptom has not changed: I turn on the machine, hear  H the 'clunk' of the relay, fans come on, lights come on for five seconds H or so - then they go off.  Fans stay running.  LEDs on the front of the F H7206B show the two greens glowing happily, but also the red LED that H says, "XMI-1 card in XMI-2 cage" (which is not the case, and the LED is H lit even with NO cards in the cage).  I've replaced the H7206B, the XTC 9 sequencer and the cable from the 7206B to the regulators.   H I noticed that most of the regulators come on briefly (i.e. their green E LEDs come on, then extinguish), except for the XMI-side H7215.  So I  G swapped the XMI-side regulator for the BI-side regulator.  Same story:  $ the XMI-side H7215 does not fire up.  D While troubleshooting this, I noticed a couple of odd things.  If I H remove the control cable from J2 on the XMI H7215, the front panel LEDs I don't extinguish after five seconds and the other regulators continue to  G show DC OK (but of course, the machine won't boot because it's missing  I several essential voltages).  The other odd thing: the fan in the H7206B  C doesn't turn.  Sure, it could be bad - but I tested the fan in the  I original 7206B, which demonstrated the same symptom, and it's just fine.  B   It *looks like* the 24v for this fan comes off the same pads as F connect to J2, which runs the big cabinet fans (which turn fine), but  that fan does not turn.   H Yes, I checked both the temp sensor and the airflow sensor, and they do G not show defects.  I've double checked all the cables and connections,  F including all those weird little sense lines and interlocks; yes, the F card cage covers are in place (and the interlock switches test good). 1 The XMI H7215 has 300v going into its front side.   H Does this weird set of new symptoms/behaviors sound familiar to anyone? 4   This is an awfully big room fan....  Thanks -- Ian  . iking (at-thing) killthewabbit (dot-thing) org   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 03:04:16 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: Re: Still not firing up: VAX 6600, Message-ID: <44F92CD9.82CE3A6E@teksavvy.com>   Ian King wrote: I > thanks to all of you who've helped.  But I still don't have my VAX 6600  > running.       Have you looked at: 3 http://www.computer-refuge.org/classiccmp/dec94mds/   6 There are many manuals on the 6000 series, some of theI tecnical/maintenance manuals may give you a big clue of what to look for.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:41:27 -0700 ( From: Ian King <iking@cs.washington.edu>* Subject: Re: Still not firing up: VAX 66000 Message-ID: <44F9B437.9070607@cs.washington.edu>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Ian King wrote:  > I >>thanks to all of you who've helped.  But I still don't have my VAX 6600  >>running.   >  >  >  > Have you looked at: 5 > http://www.computer-refuge.org/classiccmp/dec94mds/  > 8 > There are many manuals on the 6000 series, some of theK > tecnical/maintenance manuals may give you a big clue of what to look for.   G Yes, thanks.  I've spent some Quality Time with both the 6000 platform  I manuals and the 6600-specific ones; one of the most helpful has been the  " upgrade manual for XMI-1 to XMI-2.  C Unfortunately, I've been unable to find engineering drawings (i.e.  H schematics) of any of the later components.  I can't even find pin-outs E of the control connections, to know what I'm really looking at - boy  @ would that help.  And even playing "DEC field engineer" (simply @ replacing everything in sight) hasn't helped, either....  -- Ian   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:20:30 +0200 ( From: Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer@gsi.de>= Subject: Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC / Message-ID: <edblsg$bug$00$1@news.t-online.com>    faceman28208@yahoo.com schrieb:  > E > Keeping with the customer value....I remember all the headaches DEC F > caused with the moronic license PAK scheme it came up with. "To helpE > the customer manage their licenses" we told them as we screwed them  > with that useless headache.  >   , For that PAK crap alone DEC deserved to die.8 Even in its mild hobbyist incarnation it's a major PITA.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.481 ************************