1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 04 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 484       Contents: Interesting SPAM I received  Re: nagios nrpe for vms " Re: OpenVMS and Windows on Itanium" Re: OpenVMS and Windows on Itanium" Re: OpenVMS and Windows on Itanium" Re: OpenVMS and Windows on Itanium" RE: OpenVMS and Windows on Itanium; Re: Re[2]: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC ; Re: Re[2]: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC 4 Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:37:33 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> $ Subject: Interesting SPAM I received, Message-ID: <44FB9150.5CFB0D13@teksavvy.com>  B I asked my ISP to remove all spam protection on my isp-based emailE address so that my POPTOMAIL could process much more email of various G difformities to better test/debug it.  So, I scan thorugh the long list 5 of subjects to try to spot the rare legitimate email.   C Saw a topic: "Fiorina HP Hurd" which sounded legitimate considering B recent discussiuons on corporate leadership. Turns out it was just standard spam.  H Are spammers getting sophisticated enough to select subjects more likelyF to get someone attention based on which newsgroups he frequents, or isA this just sheer luck where they send 2 million messages with that H subject hoping to catch perhaps 100 persons who actually open the email.  I Any comments ? have others also gotten such a message with that subject ?    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2006 18:54:57 -0700  From: dooleys@snowy.net.au  Subject: Re: nagios nrpe for vmsA Message-ID: <1157334897.251332.66950@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    Zakaria wrote:7 > nrpevms last build at http://nrpevms.dbaalacarte.com/  > 6 I got a "connection timed out" from the above address. can you update< http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=105862 Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 15:26:33 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Windows on Itanium , Message-ID: <44FB2C68.FD2289CD@teksavvy.com>   Bart wrote: G >   Is it correct that only the future version of "HP Integrity Virtual F > Machines" will allow to run OpenVMS and Windows simultaneously on an  > Itanium (HP Integrity server)?  @ I am not sure about that. It may also require a VMS version thatD supports it. I think that this concept also comes with new licencingH options which would have to be inside VMS, but 8.3 which has just gotten out may be "virtual" ready.     H >   Is it correct that there does not exist a virtual machine which runs> > on OpenVMS and supports Windows as a guest operating system?  E That is correct. HP's answer to IBM's VM software (dating back to the  1970s) is [based on] HP-UX.   H So when VMS will run as a virtual machine, it is essentially a glorifiedG process/application running on a real instance of HP-UX. The neat thing G is that the VMS "process" will run in little endian mode while the host $ HP-UX runs in ist native big endian.  G In terms of Windows, I have no idea if the exsiting scaled back version D of Windows for IA64 will run unchanged as a virtual machine or if it  might require a special version.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2006 12:41:57 -0700 % From: "Bart" <bart.deboeck@gmail.com> + Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Windows on Itanium B Message-ID: <1157312517.321315.70380@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Thanks for the reply!   > So, it might be an option to run HP-UX natively and (modified)E instances of OpenVMS and Windows as "processes" on HP-UX? Any idea of  the impact on performance?   Regards, Bart   JF Mezei schreef:   
 > Bart wrote: I > >   Is it correct that only the future version of "HP Integrity Virtual H > > Machines" will allow to run OpenVMS and Windows simultaneously on an" > > Itanium (HP Integrity server)? > B > I am not sure about that. It may also require a VMS version thatF > supports it. I think that this concept also comes with new licencingJ > options which would have to be inside VMS, but 8.3 which has just gotten > out may be "virtual" ready.  >  > J > >   Is it correct that there does not exist a virtual machine which runs@ > > on OpenVMS and supports Windows as a guest operating system? > G > That is correct. HP's answer to IBM's VM software (dating back to the  > 1970s) is [based on] HP-UX.  > J > So when VMS will run as a virtual machine, it is essentially a glorifiedI > process/application running on a real instance of HP-UX. The neat thing I > is that the VMS "process" will run in little endian mode while the host & > HP-UX runs in ist native big endian. > I > In terms of Windows, I have no idea if the exsiting scaled back version F > of Windows for IA64 will run unchanged as a virtual machine or if it" > might require a special version.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:15:06 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> + Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Windows on Itanium < Message-ID: <44fb365b$0$24187$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  1 "Bart" <bart.deboeck@gmail.com> wrote in message  = news:1157300559.340553.237230@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  > Hi,  > @ >  I'm an OpenVMS/Itanium newbie and trying to understand the HP > virtualization solutions.  > F >  Is it correct that only the future version of "HP Integrity VirtualF > Machines" will allow to run OpenVMS and Windows simultaneously on an  > Itanium (HP Integrity server)? > G >  Is it correct that there does not exist a virtual machine which runs > > on OpenVMS and supports Windows as a guest operating system? > & >  All feedback is highly appreciated! > 	 > Thanks,  > Bart > M With a Galaxy licence an Alpha is able to run multiple instances of OpenVMS.  J I recently learned that Galaxy was not being ported to Itanium but that a G special version of HPUX was going to host various operating systems on   Itanium including "Windows 64"  8 http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-5801ENW.pdf  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2006 16:18:22 -0700 % From: "Bart" <bart.deboeck@gmail.com> + Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Windows on Itanium B Message-ID: <1157325502.737567.23120@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Hi Neil,     Valuable document, thanks!  G   In the section "HP Integrity Virtual Machines for OpenVMS" (pp 8) the  following (pp 9) :  5     OpenVMS Virtual Machines is running in the lab on 7     Intel=AE Montecito prototype systems as of December 1     2005, with first production shipments planned      for 2007  : seems to indicate that I will need a bit more patience ;-)   Thanks for the feedback, Bart     Neil Rieck schreef:   2 > "Bart" <bart.deboeck@gmail.com> wrote in message? > news:1157300559.340553.237230@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  > > Hi,  > > B > >  I'm an OpenVMS/Itanium newbie and trying to understand the HP > > virtualization solutions.  > > H > >  Is it correct that only the future version of "HP Integrity VirtualH > > Machines" will allow to run OpenVMS and Windows simultaneously on an" > > Itanium (HP Integrity server)? > > I > >  Is it correct that there does not exist a virtual machine which runs @ > > on OpenVMS and supports Windows as a guest operating system? > > ( > >  All feedback is highly appreciated! > >  > > Thanks,  > > Bart > > L > With a Galaxy licence an Alpha is able to run multiple instances of OpenV= MS. K > I recently learned that Galaxy was not being ported to Itanium but that a H > special version of HPUX was going to host various operating systems on  > Itanium including "Windows 64" > : > http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-5801ENW.pdf >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:55:31 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> + Subject: RE: OpenVMS and Windows on Itanium T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B8684019BCB20@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----/ > From: Bart [mailto:bart.deboeck@gmail.com]=20 " > Sent: September 3, 2006 12:23 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: OpenVMS and Windows on Itanium  >=20 > Hi,  >=20A >   I'm an OpenVMS/Itanium newbie and trying to understand the HP  > virtualization solutions.  >=20G >   Is it correct that only the future version of "HP Integrity Virtual F > Machines" will allow to run OpenVMS and Windows simultaneously on an  > Itanium (HP Integrity server)? >=20H >   Is it correct that there does not exist a virtual machine which runs> > on OpenVMS and supports Windows as a guest operating system? >=20' >   All feedback is highly appreciated!  >=20	 > Thanks,  > Bart >=20  F With hard partitioning on some of the Integrity servers that currentlyE support it, you can run OpenVMS, HP-UX, Windows and Linux on the same H server today - even with OpenVMS V8.2. This is similar to what you couldD do with Alpha servers that supported hard partitioning about 5 years ago.  G What is coming is a way (HPVM) to consolidate lower performance OpenVMS G systems and run these in virtual partitions on an Integrity server that  supports it.  F Like all emulated environments, the performance will not be as good asE native performance on the target system, but the emulation could very C well be better than the current source server which is running on a & much, much slower server architecture.  H For those that understand other options out there like VMware, it is theE same thing. These virtual instances are typically not meant for heavy : CPU or heavy IO systems, but as a means to consolidate HW.  C As an example, with HPVM, you could consolidate 3 or 4 lightly used D OpenVMS systems with direct attached storage onto a single IntegrityH server on a SAN and share the IO FC adapters - hence, you do not need to/ buy dual FC adapters for each system/partition.   G Keep in mind that OpenVMS has always supported Application stacking, so F another option to consolidating OpenVMS servers is to simply move themH and run the app's on the same system. This has the advantage of reducingE the number of OS instances as well as the HW (HPVM does not reduce OS  instances).=20  F App stacking on Windows and some flavours of UNIX has been problematicF for technical and cultural issues, but typically, this is not an issue
 with OpenVMS.        Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:01:56 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> D Subject: Re: Re[2]: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC< Message-ID: <44fb1727$0$24173$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  B "Valentin Likoum" <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru> wrote in message - news:975987375.20060903203706@ncc.volga.ru... 6 > On 03/09/06 Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote: > H >> To your point, I remember hearing DEC people talking about cloned VAXH >> hardware showing up in Russia as one of the reasons for licence PAKs. > E > If it's true then it didn't help much. I worked on the VAX hardware C > clone with the VMS clone (4.?) with the RDB and DECForms and many B > other software pieces I can't recall. And I can't remeber I ever > bothered with the PAKs there.  >  > --   > Best regards, 
 > Valentin) > valentin.likoum at ncc dot volga dot ru  > K I don't remember using the $LIC command on VMS 4.x but seem to remember it  L appearing during VMS 5.x. Maybe someone else in this newsgroup can remember  the exact release.  M As for cloning VAXs, people at DEC should consider this the greatest form of  	 flattery.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 19:22:27 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)D Subject: Re: Re[2]: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC$ Message-ID: <edfa1i$sfu$1@online.de>  O > As for cloning VAXs, people at DEC should consider this the greatest form of   > flattery.    I'm sure they did:  :    http://microscopy.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/russians.html   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2006 22:18:17 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)= Subject: Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC + Message-ID: <4m12l9F41skiU2@individual.net>   , In article <44FA3275.558525D6@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Michael Kraemer wrote:/ >> For that PAK crap alone DEC deserved to die. ; >> Even in its mild hobbyist incarnation it's a major PITA.  >  > J > Arguments can be made both ways. PAKs were a great way to normalise yourJ > inventory of software and make sure DEC had the same list as you did. InJ > large corporations, it wasn't so obvious what licences belonged to which > department.  > P > Had there not been a PAK system, things would have gotten far worse over time. >   K And then you have the alternative.  :-)  We currently have someone who used I to use IRIX and now uses Linux.  They have two packages that require that J you run their license manager daemon in order to use their programs.  BothJ companies used the same name (LMF) for their license managment daemons andK both programs are incompatable with each other.  Tell me again why PAKs are  a bad idea?  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.484 ************************                                                                                                                                                                          WX1gK&z/sDӐnY]8L.Z米
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