1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 07 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 491       Contents:3 Re: Bugcheck 3C4 Alpha 7.2-2 $audit_event User Mode 3 Re: Bugcheck 3C4 Alpha 7.2-2 $audit_event User Mode 3 Re: Bugcheck 3C4 Alpha 7.2-2 $audit_event User Mode  Calendar QAR( Re: Changes to OpenVMS Patch Kit Formats% CIXCD unable to see disks, I think... % Re: ConDist Contents database on-line % Re: ConDist Contents database on-line % Re: ConDist Contents database on-line 0 Determining your terminal's width using f$getdvi0 Determining your terminal's width using f$getdvi4 Re: Determining your terminal's width using f$getdvi4 RE: Determining your terminal's width using f$getdvi# Encrypted backup questions/concepts ' Re: Encrypted backup questions/concepts ' Re: Encrypted backup questions/concepts ' Re: Heads Up:  Intel to axe 20,000 jobs ' Re: Heads Up:  Intel to axe 20,000 jobs ' Re: Heads Up:  Intel to axe 20,000 jobs & Re: Heads Up: Intel to axe 20,000 jobs; How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host / OpenVMS V8.3 Announcement and updated documents 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 	 Overkill? 
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 Re: Overkill? B Re: Please Loot the Inforamtion/Mainframe Material at "MFRESOURCE"4 Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC4 Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC4 Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC4 Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC2 Re: VMS MAIL:  Will it ever join the 21st century?1 Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever join the 21st century?  Re: What is PSDC Re: [VMS V7.3-2] ECO date  Re: [VMS V7.3-2] ECO date  Re: [VMS V7.3-2] ECO date  Re: [VMS V7.3-2] ECO date  Re: [VMS V7.3-2] ECO date  Re: [VMS V7.3-2] ECO date   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 03:07:49 -0700   From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>< Subject: Re: Bugcheck 3C4 Alpha 7.2-2 $audit_event User ModeC Message-ID: <1157623668.972183.312990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Crashes are not a good thing.   G Does this happen on a supported version of VMS and have you reported to  the folks who can fix it?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 21:19:32 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> < Subject: Re: Bugcheck 3C4 Alpha 7.2-2 $audit_event User Mode1 Message-ID: <edp63a$jni$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi Ian,   G Hope to finish the draft-code this weekend.  Then you can put it on any D machine you like and drop the last longword and see what happens :-)  % Below is a snippet if you can't wait.    Cheers Richard Maher   *  01  audit_list.      03  item_event_type.F         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   4.L         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   external nsa$_event_type.<         05  event_type                              pointer.9         05                          pic s9(9)       comp.      03  item_event_subtype. F         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   4.L         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   external nsa$_event_subtype. A         05                                          pointer value  reference       nsa$c_detached. 9         05                          pic s9(9)       comp.      03  item_alarm_name.F         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   8.L         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   external nsa$_alarm_name.A         05                                          pointer value  reference       security_id.9         05                          pic s9(9)       comp.      03  item_audit_name.F         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   8.L         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   external nsa$_audit_name.A         05                                          pointer value  reference       security_id.9         05                          pic s9(9)       comp.      03  item_object_class.G         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   16. L         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   external nsa$_object_class.A         05                                          pointer value  reference       server_class. 9         05                          pic s9(9)       comp.      03  item_object_name. G         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   31. L         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   external nsa$_object_name. A         05                                          pointer value " reference       audit_object_name.9         05                          pic s9(9)       comp.      03  item_final_status.F         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   4.L         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   external nsa$_final_status.A         05                                          pointer value  reference       scan_status.9         05                          pic s9(9)       comp.      03  item_source_process_id. F         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   4.L         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   external nsa$_source_process_id. A         05                                          pointer value  reference       sender_pid. 9         05                          pic s9(9)       comp.      03  item_suppress.F         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   4.L         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   external nsa$_suppress.A         05                                          pointer value # reference       nsa_suppress_flags. 9         05                          pic s9(9)       comp.      03  item_username.9         05  username_len            pic s9(4)       comp. 9         05  username_code           pic s9(4)       comp. A         05                                          pointer value  reference       acp_username. 9         05                          pic s9(9)       comp.      03  item_password.9         05  password_len            pic s9(4)       comp. 9         05  password_code           pic s9(4)       comp. A         05                                          pointer value  reference       acp_password. 9         05                          pic s9(9)       comp.      03  item_time_stamp.F         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   8.L         05                          pic s9(4)       comp    value   external nsa$_time_stamp.A         05                                          pointer value  reference       current_time. 9         05                          pic s9(9)       comp. 9     03                              pic s9(9)       comp.  * A 01  audit_object_name               pic x(31)               value ! "St.Peter Authentication Server". A 01  server_class                    pic x(16)               value  "Detached Process". A 01  security_id                     pic x(8)                value  "SECURITY".  *    *  scan_intrusion section.  00.      if username_found = "Y" (         move cia_flags     to scan_flags     else)         move cia$m_noaudit to scan_flags.  *      call "sys$scan_intrusion" +         using   by value        scan_status <                 by descriptor   acp_username(1:username_len).                 by value        jpi$k_detached8                 by descriptor   dvi_name(1:dvi_name_len)'                 by value        0, 0, 0 <                 by descriptor   acp_password(1:password_len)0                 by value        0, 0, scan_flags         giving  sys_status.        call "lib$match_cond"          using   sys_status, !                 secsrv$_intruder,                  secsrv$_suspect !                 secsrv$_insufinfo )                 secsrv$_noscannedintruder '                 secsrv$_servernotactive                  ss$_normal         giving  match_pos.C     if match_pos = zeros call "lib$stop" using by value sys_status.        if match_pos = 15         set event_type to reference nsa$c_msg_breakin #         if scan_status = ss$_normal )             move ss$_evade to scan_status          end-if     else#         if scan_status = ss$_normal 9             set event_type   to reference nsa$c_msg_login          else<             set event_type   to reference nsa$c_msg_logfail.       call "sys$audit_eventw" /         using   by value        0, nsa$m_server 6                 by reference    audit_list, aud_status$                 by value        0, 0         giving  sys_status. =     if sys_status = ss$_normal move aud_status to sys_status. C     if sys_status not = ss$_normal and ss$_evtnotenab and ss$_synch 2         call "lib$stop" using by value sys_status. *  fini.  *  end program Saint_Peter.  + "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote in message = news:1157623668.972183.312990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...  > Crashes are not a good thing.  > I > Does this happen on a supported version of VMS and have you reported to  > the folks who can fix it?  >    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 06:46:48 -0700   From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>< Subject: Re: Bugcheck 3C4 Alpha 7.2-2 $audit_event User ModeC Message-ID: <1157636808.218716.306750@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    but thats COBOL isn't it? G I've successfully avoided COBOL all my life and I am not going anywhere D near it now. I don't even know what COBOL looks like or how to spell7 COBOL (the last few words obviously written by someone)    :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 10:00:33 -0700  From: faceman28208@yahoo.com Subject: Calendar QAR B Message-ID: <1157648433.845690.77230@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>  D Does any olde Digit have a copy of the Calendar QAR they might post?   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 04:38:03 -0700 ; From: "george.pagliarulo@hp.com" <george.pagliarulo@hp.com> 1 Subject: Re: Changes to OpenVMS Patch Kit Formats B Message-ID: <1157629083.214958.271890@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>  ? Correct.  We will never ship VAX PCSI patch kits.  Sorry Peter.    George Pagliarulo  ECO Release Process  OpenVMS Sustaining Engineering Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 07:43:10 -0700 ' From: "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> . Subject: CIXCD unable to see disks, I think...C Message-ID: <1157640190.180375.242360@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   C VAX 7000-740 VMS 6.2        5 node VAX 7000 CI and Ethernet Cluster   F When I do a show config at the console prompt, it shows 3 cixcd cards.E The machine only has two installed.  A show dev at the console prompt ; shows disks on 1 of the cixcds and none on the other cixcd.   E Why are 3 cixcd cards shown, when only two at physically installed in  the VAX?- Should't devices be seen by both cixcd cards?    P00>>> show config  '         Name     Type    Rev   Mnemonic    LSB %   0+    KA7AC    (8008)  0001  ka7ac0 %   1+    KA7AC    (8008)  0002  ka7ac1 %   2+    KA7AC    (8008)  0001  ka7ac2 %   3+    KA7AC    (8008)  0001  ka7ac3 %   7+    MS7AA    (4000)  0000  ms7aa0 #   8+    IOP      (2000)  0006  iop0   #   C0 XMI                       xmi0 %   1+    DEMNA    (0C03)  0803  demna0 '   2+    ?????    (0877)  0803  unknown0 '   3+    ?????    (0877)  0803  unknown1 %   8+    DWLMA    (102A)  020A  dwlma0 %   D+    DEMNA    (0C03)  0803  demna1 %   E+    CIXCD    (0C05)  4811  cixcd0   #   C1 XMI                       xmi1 %   1+    KDM70    (0C22)  2C01  kdm700 %   6+    CIXCD    (0C05)  4811  cixcd1 %   8+    DWLMA    (102A)  020A  dwlma1 %   D+    CIXCD    (0C05)  4811  cixcd2  P00>>> show dev - polling for units on cixcd0, slot 14, xmi0...  Resetting IO subsystem... , polling for units on kdm700, slot 1, xmi1..., polling for units on cixcd1, slot 6, xmi1...1 duc2.16.0.6.1      $31$DUA2 (HSJ031)         HSX0 1 duc3.16.0.6.1      $31$DUA3 (HSJ031)         HSX0 1 duc4.16.0.6.1      $31$DUA4 (HSJ031)         HSX0 1 duc5.16.0.6.1      $31$DUA5 (HSJ031)         HSX0 1 duc13.16.0.6.1     $31$DUA13 (HSJ031)        HSX0 1 duc14.16.0.6.1     $31$DUA14 (HSJ031)        HSX0 1 duc15.16.0.6.1     $31$DUA15 (HSJ031)        HSX0 1 duc16.16.0.6.1     $31$DUA16 (HSJ031)        HSX0 1 duc17.16.0.6.1     $31$DUA17 (HSJ031)        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Thanks!    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 06:16:55 -0700   From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>. Subject: Re: ConDist Contents database on-lineC Message-ID: <1157635015.118182.294400@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Martin Vorlaender wrote: > I wrote on 25-Aug-2006: K > > P.S.: I think I'll put up the database I built from the CD_CONTENTS.DAT  > > files online sometime. > 7 > It now is on-line under http://org.openvms.de/spl.php  > B > Corrections, comments, and money (just kidding) are appreciated. >   ( was processing and/or is hosting on VMS?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:15:51 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> . Subject: Re: ConDist Contents database on-lineJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-CA5DE0.16155107092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  C In article <1157635015.118182.294400@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, "  "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote:   > http://org.openvms.de/spl.php    See for yourself :-)  7 http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=org.openvms.de    --  
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    Eeeuuw.  8 > How do I determine my terminal's current width in DCL?  7    I don't know how _you_ do it.  Here's how _I_ do it:   3 alp $ write sys$output f$getdvi( "tt", "devbufsiz")  80 alp $ set terminal /width = 132 3 alp $ write sys$output f$getdvi( "tt", "devbufsiz")  132   ?    Lots of devices have a natural record size, so a TT-specific F parameter was not needed for this one.  Of course, it's not so obvious as one might like.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 18:50:04 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> = Subject: Re: Determining your terminal's width using f$getdvi J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-5061CD.18500407092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>   In article  A <085BCCCF596B684092B66310B1D3BA7D03BA3ABE@NJ103EX1.EAST.VIS.COM>, 3  "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@Voltdelta.com> wrote:   8 > How do I determine my terminal's current width in DCL? >  > Using: > ! > a =  f$getdvi("TT:", "TT_PAGE")  > Show symbol a  > F > I can get the page length of my terminal, but how do I get the screnA > width setting back after I issuded a "set term/width=" command.  >  > TIA  >  > Mike Farrell  ' Taken from sys$manager:sylogin.template   F $       ! Determine what sort of terminal this is, and avoid resettingD $       ! the user's default display size settings in the process...* $       tt_page = f$getdvi("TT","TT_PAGE"). $       devbufsiz = f$getdvi("TT","DEVBUFSIZ")= $       SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE/PAGE='tt_page'/WIDTH='devbufsiz'  $    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:17:39 -04001 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@Voltdelta.com> = Subject: RE: Determining your terminal's width using f$getdvi L Message-ID: <085BCCCF596B684092B66310B1D3BA7D03BA3B69@NJ103EX1.EAST.VIS.COM>   OK, thanks.   
 Works for me.   A Wasn't obvious to me from the documentation.  I saw "TT_PAGE" and G figured that there should have been something like "TT_WIDTH" also, but  it was not there.   
 Thanks again.    Mike   -----Original Message-----4 From: Steven M. Schweda [mailto:sms@antinode.org]=20+ Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:44 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 Subject: Determining your terminal's width using f$getdvi   1 From: "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@Voltdelta.com>   . > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  
    Eeeuuw.  8 > How do I determine my terminal's current width in DCL?  7    I don't know how _you_ do it.  Here's how _I_ do it:   3 alp $ write sys$output f$getdvi( "tt", "devbufsiz")  80! alp $ set terminal /width =3D 132 3 alp $ write sys$output f$getdvi( "tt", "devbufsiz")  132   ?    Lots of devices have a natural record size, so a TT-specific F parameter was not needed for this one.  Of course, it's not so obvious as one might like.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 07:58:21 -0700 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>, Subject: Encrypted backup questions/conceptsC Message-ID: <1157641101.500983.108110@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   * Here's my understanding.  On OpenVMS Alpha  8 V7.3-2 - encrypted backup if VMS Encryption is installed         supported /         requires purchase of an encrypt license &         limited to DES-type encryption<         CDROM boot env. can't create/read encrypted savesets  9 V8.2 -    encrypted backup if VMS encryption is installed          Supported /         No encrypt license, included in OS base &         limited to DES-type encryption<         CDROM boot env. can't create/read encrypted savesets  0 V8.3 -    can do encrypted backup out of the box         Supported /         No Encrypt license, included in OS base (         DES and newer encryption formats:         CDROM boot env. CAN create/read encrypted savesets  F So V8.2 and earlier can use encrypted savesets for data, image backupsC of non-system disks, or non-image (and hence non-fully-recoverable) F system disk backups, but only V8.3 has the ability to make clean image@ backups to (and recover from) an encrypted saveset via the CDROM environment.  G And although I know Hoff doesn't like it, we do have the customers make G regular online image backups of the system disk with /IGNORE=INTERLOCK; F the systems are quiesced as much as possible (only backup is running).E Its not possible to take the systems down for the CDROM based backups E so this is the best available option (no mirrors/shadows/swanky SANs; G these are single DS10 installations).  If we have to encrypt the system E disk backup (corporate policy, or privileged data on the system disk, @ etc) then only the V8.3 CDROM environment can restore it on that system.   E If upgrade to V8.3 is not possible, but a V8.3 media kit is acquired, D then we could keep perform the encrypted online backups as required,D and use the V8.3 CDROM for any standalone functions.  Since the V8.3F online backup encryptions is supposed to be upward compatible with theE earlier encrypt layered product, that should work; we would just need A to be certain of the encryption used in the standalone backups if A there's a chance they would need to be read by the V8.2 or V7.3-2  running system.   F And finally... if you use the CDROM environment for restores, then youD can't use a keyfile/keyring for the encryption because it may not beD available in the read only environment (unless perhaps its kept on aA floppy, or a reburned OS CD-R which has the relevant files tucked D somewhere on that disk).  You would need to use a straight 'password style' key instead.   C Does this sound correct?  Thanks.  Still waiting for V8.3 media but $ testing on V8.2 as much as possible.     Rich   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 10:26:30 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: Encrypted backup questions/concepts3 Message-ID: <SwnGpYGJKE9F@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <1157641101.500983.108110@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> writes:  I > these are single DS10 installations).  If we have to encrypt the system G > disk backup (corporate policy, or privileged data on the system disk, B > etc) then only the V8.3 CDROM environment can restore it on that	 > system.  > G > If upgrade to V8.3 is not possible, but a V8.3 media kit is acquired, F > then we could keep perform the encrypted online backups as required,6 > and use the V8.3 CDROM for any standalone functions.   > Does this sound correct?  H That sounds correct, but if the corporate policy is strong on encryptionI I presume it is also strong on testing scenarios before putting them into  the recovery plan.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 10:03:14 -0700 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>0 Subject: Re: Encrypted backup questions/conceptsC Message-ID: <1157648594.849183.124940@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:p > In article <1157641101.500983.108110@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> writes: > K > > these are single DS10 installations).  If we have to encrypt the system I > > disk backup (corporate policy, or privileged data on the system disk, D > > etc) then only the V8.3 CDROM environment can restore it on that > > system.  > > I > > If upgrade to V8.3 is not possible, but a V8.3 media kit is acquired, H > > then we could keep perform the encrypted online backups as required,8 > > and use the V8.3 CDROM for any standalone functions. >  > > Does this sound correct? > J > That sounds correct, but if the corporate policy is strong on encryptionK > I presume it is also strong on testing scenarios before putting them into  > the recovery plan.  F Absolutely.  It'll be tested in house on our test alpha before it goes@ out, then verified at the customer site just to be safe (my testE hardware is much much older than a DS10).  I just can't test anything A until HP gets around to sending media here, but the customers are  asking whats possible now...   Rich   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 07:08:43 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> 0 Subject: Re: Heads Up:  Intel to axe 20,000 jobs< Message-ID: <44fffc32$0$24212$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:44FF2663.7BF19380@teksavvy.com... > Neil Rieck wrote:  > F > Corporations *have* to listen to what analysts have to say. AnalystsG > work for companies who own a lot of stock in Intel, so if an analysts % > says "X", then intel has to listen.  > H Companies "buy" the opinion of analysts. Analysts are used to move/dump  stock.  E We (in the western hemisphere) currently live in an ultra-capitalist  M free-market world where the majority of these people are biased and possibly  K corrupt. Companies are allowed to make wild claims (like tobacco isn't bad  J for you) while consumers of products (and stocks) are expected to educate M themselves to avoid the scams. Analysts push these stocks then later deny it  D when the market collapses (on average is every 10 years: 1979-1981, K 1989-1991, 1999-2001). In the latest documentary "Enron: The Smartest Guys  J in the Room" it appears that everyone, including the analysts, were in on " the scam. DOT-COM becomes DOT-CON.  E To show you how biased analysts are, in their so-called "analysis of  H corporate health" they almost never bring up sensitive data like "stock K options" or "executive compensation" although they always seem to bring up  L other things like the pension obligations to employees. It is the effort of L large institutional investors (like Tweedy Brown) who are trying to end the H tyranny of people like Conrad Black despite the fact that he supposedly ( works within the constraints of the SEC.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:47:22 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>0 Subject: Re: Heads Up:  Intel to axe 20,000 jobs* Message-ID: <44ff8840@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   F > Corporations *have* to listen to what analysts have to say. AnalystsG > work for companies who own a lot of stock in Intel, so if an analysts % > says "X", then intel has to listen.   O    Analysts are business folks just like the rest of the commercial world, and  M they're invariably selling something -- research reports, advertising space,  ' consulting services, white papers, etc.   Q    Controversy can help (as it generates page hits and references, effectively a  O variation of the classic newsgroup troll), being right can help (but that also  J depends on the difficulty of the predictions involved), the analyst brand O recognition certainly matters, but the business itself and the revenues matter   most to the analyst firms.  Q    Working directly with analysts can be a real experience.  I certainly learned  N volumes about that business -- arguably as much or more than the analysts had Q learned from the input provided into the research.  (In years past, I was rather  ? more familiar with the folks looking to sell me their reports.)   Q    As for what commercial businesses *have* look at, it's the revenues.  Same as  
 the analysts.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:45:53 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> 0 Subject: Re: Heads Up:  Intel to axe 20,000 jobs+ Message-ID: <4matjjF5cq20U1@individual.net>   * On 2006-09-07 04:47, "Hoff Hoffman" wrote:   > [...]  > S >    As for what commercial businesses *have* look at, it's the revenues.  Same as   > the analysts.    Revenues or profits?  
 SCNR, Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 04:05:58 -0700 - From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> / Subject: Re: Heads Up: Intel to axe 20,000 jobs C Message-ID: <1157627158.461390.130920@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Neil Rieck wrote: < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( > news:44FD0DD2.617FE1BA@teksavvy.com...G > > BBC reports that Intel is to announce it is axing up to 20,000 jobs ! > > today. (20% of its workforce)  > > H > > One of the analysts interviewed by BBC mentioned that Itanium is one: > > reason Intel fell behind and lost market share to AMD. > > I > > Other analysts mention Intel's marketing flobs such as Viao and other  > > unknown branding attempts. > >  > > J > > While I doubt we would get the good news that IA64 is to be put out ofD > > its misery right away, I think that Intel will focus on the 8086K > > architecture and Ia64 isn't going to get an increase in human resources I > > anytime soon , which means that chip will lag behind at a faster rate 2 > > compared to the fast moving 8086 product line. > > L > > I think Hoff will only be able to say "there are no plans to port VMS toH > > *****" for another few months, after that, he may need to change hisJ > > tune and perhaps add the word "announced" or "public" or "official" to > > his statement. > > N > I saw a piece on the business news last week stating that AMD's market shareH > had moved from 8% to 16% to 24% in three years. I don't think this wasL > "caused" by IA64 but a triage management mentality could put the future ofK > IA64 by diverting resources elsewhere. On a related note, the news item I N > watched stated that only 10k jobs were on the line and the majority of theseM > were in marketing and sales. I'm not sure if these employees were primarily N > paid by salary or commission, but if market share is a problem then choppingN > here doesn't make much sense unless they want to cut total costs hoping thatM > future chips can be sold at a lower price. (pulling in business rather than 
 > pushing it)   D Its pretty clear that Intels original decision to target IA64 at theD mid-high end server market and to continue with bog standard x86 forB desktops and smaller servers because that market didn't need 64bit hasn't helped them.   G It probably encouraged Intel to develop one more generation of Netburst F based x86 CPU's which left them struggling in terms of performance andE thermal footprint compared with AMD. The subsequent cancellation of a F number of Netburst based projects has also made Intels management look fragile.  G Regardless of the need or otherwise for 64bit on the desktop and in the F 1-4 way server market having it much earlier than Intel has helped AMD enormously.   E Intel  having to clone x86-64 rather than setting their own 64bit x86 D architecture standard, something we have Microsoft to thank for also hasn't helped Intel either.   = Does this add up to IA64 being the source of all Intels woes?   @ Not really, the thermal footprint/complexity issue was there forD everyone to see with earlier versions of Xeon/P4. Driving longer andD longer pipelines with better branch prediction at higher clock ratesD was already beginning to show diminishing returns and would have hit Intel regardless of IA64.   F However Intel was also expecting to move well clear of AMD at the highD end by taking a dominant share of the much higher margin mid to high@ end systems market. That didn't happen making their difficulties5 competing eith AMD at the low end even more apparent.    Regards  Andrew Harrison  > L > If Intel really was in deep trouble and wanted to kill off IA64, HP (alongJ > with other IA64 alliance partners) could step in buy the chip technologyM > back from Intel which would make everyone wonder why so much time and money  > was wasted killing off Alpha.  > N > p.s. I know you will respond to this by suggesting an OpenVMS port to "8086"J > so please use the more technologically accurate phrases "IA32e" or "x64"$ > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EM64T >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 06:57:59 -0700 0 From: "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com>D Subject: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostB Message-ID: <1157637479.240010.190300@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>  # My question is on the subject line.   
 Thank you, Christopher Lusardi    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 07:14:22 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host) Message-ID: <op.tfiht8pwtte90l@hyrrokkin>   9 On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:57:59 -0700, Christopher Lusardi    <clusardi2k@aol.com> wrote:   % > My question is on the subject line.  >  > Thank you, > Christopher Lusardi  >   C When posting this type of question you should indicate the IP stack  and VMS version.   tcpip sho host tcpip ifconfig we0   for example, work here   --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 07:52:39 -0700 0 From: "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com>H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostB Message-ID: <1157640758.433596.234380@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Tom Linden wrote: 9 > On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:57:59 -0700, Christopher Lusardi  > <clusardi2k@aol.com> wrote:  > ' > > My question is on the subject line.  > >  > > Thank you, > > Christopher Lusardi  > >  > E > When posting this type of question you should indicate the IP stack  > and VMS version. >  > tcpip sho host > tcpip ifconfig we0 >   * On one host when I enter those, I am told:B    DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer
 parameters  . On another host when I enter those, I am told:?   'tcpip' is not recongized as an internal or external command, !   operable program or batch file.    Christopher Lusardi    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 07:59:56 -0700 0 From: "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com>H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostB Message-ID: <1157641196.101397.39800@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   Tom Linden wrote: 9 > On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:57:59 -0700, Christopher Lusardi  > <clusardi2k@aol.com> wrote:  > ' > > My question is on the subject line.  > >  > > Thank you, > > Christopher Lusardi  > >  > E > When posting this type of question you should indicate the IP stack  > and VMS version. >  > tcpip sho host > tcpip ifconfig we0  ; On one host when I enter the first one of those, I am told: B    DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer parameters \HOST\   * When I retry it without "host", I am told:6 %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, no privilege for attempted operation  < On one host when I enter the second one of those, I am told:B    DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer parameters \WE0\  C On another host when I enter the first or second one of those, I am  told: ?    DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and  spelling \TCPIP\    Christopher Lusardi    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 08:13:25 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostA Message-ID: <1157642005.720260.30420@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    Christopher Lusardi wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: ; > > On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:57:59 -0700, Christopher Lusardi  > > <clusardi2k@aol.com> wrote:  > > ) > > > My question is on the subject line.  > > >  > > > Thank you, > > > Christopher Lusardi  > > >  > > G > > When posting this type of question you should indicate the IP stack  > > and VMS version.  E Can you post the output of SHOW SYSTEM? That should give us a clue as  to which stack you're using.   AEF    [...]    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 10:22:49 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host3 Message-ID: <mjmguou0jrVu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   u In article <1157637479.240010.190300@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com> writes:   < What IP address ?  A VMS machine can have many IP addresses.  A What Complete Name ?  A VMS machine can run TCP/IP without having  a Domain Name Services entry.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 08:30:20 -0700 0 From: "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com>H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostC Message-ID: <1157643020.457716.152860@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>   
 AEF wrote: > Christopher Lusardi wrote: > > Tom Linden wrote: = > > > On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:57:59 -0700, Christopher Lusardi ! > > > <clusardi2k@aol.com> wrote:  > > > + > > > > My question is on the subject line.  > > > >  > > > > Thank you, > > > > Christopher Lusardi  > > > >  > > > I > > > When posting this type of question you should indicate the IP stack  > > > and VMS version. > G > Can you post the output of SHOW SYSTEM? That should give us a clue as  > to which stack you're using. >   B  My system people would complain if I posted it all. It's much too: long. What specific parts of it would you like me to post.  
 Chris Lusardi    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:16:28 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-88D385.17162807092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  B In article <1157640758.433596.234380@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,2  "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com> wrote:   > 0 > On another host when I enter those, I am told:A >   'tcpip' is not recongized as an internal or external command, # >   operable program or batch file.  >    Try   
 $ show net   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 08:46:52 -0700 0 From: "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com>H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostB Message-ID: <1157644012.267211.267310@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   Paul Sture wrote: D > In article <1157640758.433596.234380@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,4 >  "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com> wrote: >  > > 2 > > On another host when I enter those, I am told:C > >   'tcpip' is not recongized as an internal or external command, % > >   operable program or batch file.  > >  >  > Try  >  > $ show net  5 It did not give the IP address or complete host name!   
 Chris Lusardi    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 08:49:18 -0700 0 From: "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com>H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostC Message-ID: <1157644158.224433.228020@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:w > In article <1157637479.240010.190300@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com> writes:  > > > What IP address ?  A VMS machine can have many IP addresses. > C > What Complete Name ?  A VMS machine can run TCP/IP without having  > a Domain Name Services entry.   C I want to be able to telnet or set host to the machine using the IP " address (number) or complete name.  
 Chris Lusardi    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:05:19 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host2 Message-ID: <06090711051936_2027FAC5@antinode.org>  0 From: "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com>   > > $ show net > 7 > It did not give the IP address or complete host name!   2    What _did_ it say, or is that too big a secret?    E > I want to be able to telnet or set host to the machine using the IP $ > address (number) or complete name.  F    SET HOST uses DECnet.  Telnet uses IP.  The DECnet host name may or" may not resemble the IP host name.    4    You might provide the output from a command like:         SHOW LOGICAL *TCP*    D    It's not easy to provide a useful answer to a vague question with  little or no useful information.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:13:51 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostE Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0609071012470.11002@localhost.localdomain>   . On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Christopher Lusardi wrote:   >  > Paul Sture wrote:  >> >> Try >>
 >> $ show net  > 7 > It did not give the IP address or complete host name!    What *did* it tell you?      --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:22:22 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostE Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0609071015310.11002@localhost.localdomain>   . On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Christopher Lusardi wrote:   >  > AEF wrote: >> Christopher Lusardi wrote:  >>> Tom Linden wrote: < >>>> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:57:59 -0700, Christopher Lusardi  >>>> <clusardi2k@aol.com> wrote: >>>>) >>>>> My question is on the subject line.  >>>>>  >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Christopher Lusardi  >>>>>  >>>>C >>>> When posting this type of question you should indicate the IP   >>>> stack and VMS version.  >>F >> Can you post the output of SHOW SYSTEM? That should give us a clue " >> as to which stack you're using. >> > C > My system people would complain if I posted it all. It's much too < > long. What specific parts of it would you like me to post.  < Ask your system people which IP stack and which VMS version.  E For that matter, ask your system people what your IP address and and   complete host name are.    Clues:  C The VMS version is displayed in the first few lines of output from  < SHOW SYSTEM.  Or type WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI ("VERSION").  C Look in SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_V*.COM for "@<mumble>STARTUP" to see  ( which of them might start a tcpip stack.     --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:25:54 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostE Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0609071024090.11002@localhost.localdomain>   . On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Christopher Lusardi wrote:   >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:x >> In article <1157637479.240010.190300@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com> writes: >>? >> What IP address ?  A VMS machine can have many IP addresses.  >>G >> What Complete Name ?  A VMS machine can run TCP/IP without having a   >> Domain Name Services entry. > F > I want to be able to telnet or set host to the machine using the IP $ > address (number) or complete name.  2 From where?  Maybe you can get there using DECnet.     --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 10:14:12 -0700 0 From: "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com>H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostC Message-ID: <1157649252.704455.169440@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>    Rob Brown wrote:0 > On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Christopher Lusardi wrote: >  > >  > > Larry Kilgallen wrote:z > >> In article <1157637479.240010.190300@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com> writes: > >>A > >> What IP address ?  A VMS machine can have many IP addresses.  > >>H > >> What Complete Name ?  A VMS machine can run TCP/IP without having a  > >> Domain Name Services entry. > > G > > I want to be able to telnet or set host to the machine using the IP & > > address (number) or complete name. > 4 > From where?  Maybe you can get there using DECnet.  F I can use DECnet (set host) from one machine to another, but I want to* learn how to do it using telnet or rlogin.   Christopher Lusardi    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 10:06:21 -0700 0 From: "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com>H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostC Message-ID: <1157648781.036761.130630@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Rob Brown wrote:0 > On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Christopher Lusardi wrote: >  > >  > > Paul Sture wrote:  > >> > >> Try > >> > >> $ show net  > > 9 > > It did not give the IP address or complete host name!  >  > What *did* it tell you?     G show network said it's a nonrouting node, and does not have any network E information. It did list the designated router for the machine, but I B can not post it due to privacy issues between me and my employeer.  
 Chris Lusardi    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 10:11:56 -0700 0 From: "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com>H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostC Message-ID: <1157649116.297645.153290@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>    Rob Brown wrote:0 > On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Christopher Lusardi wrote: >  > >  > > AEF wrote: > >> Christopher Lusardi wrote:  > >>> Tom Linden wrote: > > >>>> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 06:57:59 -0700, Christopher Lusardi" > >>>> <clusardi2k@aol.com> wrote: > >>>>+ > >>>>> My question is on the subject line.  > >>>>>  > >>>>> Thank you, > >>>>> Christopher Lusardi  > >>>>>  > >>>>D > >>>> When posting this type of question you should indicate the IP > >>>> stack and VMS version.  > >>G > >> Can you post the output of SHOW SYSTEM? That should give us a clue $ > >> as to which stack you're using. > >> > > E > > My system people would complain if I posted it all. It's much too > > > long. What specific parts of it would you like me to post. > > > Ask your system people which IP stack and which VMS version. > F > For that matter, ask your system people what your IP address and and > complete host name are.  >  > Clues: > D > The VMS version is displayed in the first few lines of output from> > SHOW SYSTEM.  Or type WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI ("VERSION"). >    VAX/VMS V5.5-2H4 VAX/VMS V5.5-2  D > Look in SYS$MANAGER:SYSTARTUP_V*.COM for "@<mumble>STARTUP" to see* > which of them might start a tcpip stack.  D I do not see anything useful in these files with SEARCH File String.  
 Chris Lusardi    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 03:50:27 -0700   From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>8 Subject: OpenVMS V8.3 Announcement and updated documentsC Message-ID: <1157626227.666028.265300@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   D HP have today made available lots of new and updated documention for? the recently arrived OpenVMS V8.3 and new versions of assocated 	 products.   = See http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=06/09/07/2709878   = or dive right into the the hp VMS web site and start reading.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 08:32:02 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) > Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...3 Message-ID: <6DILeDnOxKvy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0609062128060.14812@ask.diku.dk>, "Peter \"Firefly\" Lund" <firefly@diku.dk> writes:) > On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Dave Froble wrote:  > O >> If my memory is working at all, I seem to remember that the Kelvin scale is  J >> absolute.  The temperature you're thinking about would be zero degrees : >> Kelvin.  What's called 'absolute zero', no heat at all. > C > But it is not called "degrees" Kelvin.  It is just called Kelvin.   5    That's a change that hasn't been made very public.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 16:43:42 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>> Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...+ Message-ID: <edpenh$7j$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>   I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:6DILeDnOxKvy@eisner.encompasserve.org...   D >> But it is not called "degrees" Kelvin.  It is just called Kelvin. > 6 >   That's a change that hasn't been made very public.  A The old usage is still common but the change was made in '67/'68. - http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/kelvin.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 09:45:31 +0100  From: David Gray Subject: Overkill?8 Message-ID: <bnmvf29ep0kpptm2b5aqkho129tchnqm0e@4ax.com>   Hi,    OpenVMS V7.3-2  A Was thinking of adding a $DFU directory /compress /truncate to an E overnight job for a couple of directory structures that contain large " numbers of daily changing files.    E What are peoples thoughts on compressing and truncating .dir files on ) a daily basis, is there a negative side?     Regards  Dave            ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:37:15 +0100 / From: "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>  Subject: Re: Overkill?4 Message-ID: <edop8a$p44$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>   David Gray wrote:  > Hi,  >  > OpenVMS V7.3-2 > C > Was thinking of adding a $DFU directory /compress /truncate to an G > overnight job for a couple of directory structures that contain large $ > numbers of daily changing files.   > G > What are peoples thoughts on compressing and truncating .dir files on + > a daily basis, is there a negative side?    ) Hi Dave :-) (I'm back from holiday today)   E You might consider doing the exact opposite to what you're proposing. F Namely, expanding the directory (and giving it lots of initial space).   $ dfu % DFU> direct/compress/fill=50 xxxx.dir   D Advantage: directory insertions are less likely to cause "shuffles".  ( Phone me if you want to discuss further.   Cheers, Roy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:53:16 +0100 % From: David Gray <police@spamcop.net>  Subject: Re: Overkill?8 Message-ID: <npqvf2hsj5q0jne206gi95n6cmkgn1rr5u@4ax.com>   Hi Roy,  Hope you had a good holiday.    D Yes I did consider the /FILL option but was concerned about the DFU F command failing, we have a large number of small  1 block directories. Cheers Dave      
  /FILL_FACTOR         /FILL_FACTOR=percentage   B        This qualifier is only valid in combination with /COMPRESS.D        Default behaviour for DFU is to compress a directory as tight;        as possible; this is equivalent to /FILL_FACTOR=100. ?        By choosing a lower fill_factor DFU will leave some free A        space in each directory block. /FILL_FACTOR may be between @        50 and 100 %. Caution : choosing a fill_factor lower than?        100% may fail if the directory file is not large enough. =        In that case DFU will signal an error and advise using         a higher fill_factor.          / On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:37:15 +0100, "R.A.Omond" $ <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote:   >David Gray wrote: >> Hi,   >>   >> OpenVMS V7.3-2  >>  D >> Was thinking of adding a $DFU directory /compress /truncate to anH >> overnight job for a couple of directory structures that contain large% >> numbers of daily changing files.    >>  H >> What are peoples thoughts on compressing and truncating .dir files on, >> a daily basis, is there a negative side?  > * >Hi Dave :-) (I'm back from holiday today) > F >You might consider doing the exact opposite to what you're proposing.G >Namely, expanding the directory (and giving it lots of initial space).  >  >$ dfu& >DFU> direct/compress/fill=50 xxxx.dir > E >Advantage: directory insertions are less likely to cause "shuffles".  > ) >Phone me if you want to discuss further.  > 
 >Cheers, Roy.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 10:38:42 -0700  From: ArkGunSlinger@hotmail.com K Subject: Re: Please Loot the Inforamtion/Mainframe Material at "MFRESOURCE" A Message-ID: <1157650721.974833.5260@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>   
 Sri wrote:5 > MFRESOURCE -New Yahoo Group for Mainframe Resources * > MFRESOURCE is Mainframe Resources Group: > 8 > Group useful for Mainframe Materials & Mainframe Jobs. > 9 > Related Link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mfresource/ * > Post message: mfresource@yahoogroups.com1 > Subscribe: mfresource-subscribe@yahoogroups.com  > ; > Mainframe Job Postings in INDIA & US and other Countries.  > H > This Group is Useful for people who are attending Mainframe interviewsG > and Professionals working in Mainframe Skills specifically working on  > the following Skills:  > A > COBOL JCL VSAM CICS,DB2 IMS DB/DC IDMS ADABAS/NATURAL, ENDEVOR, H > FILE-AID, XPEDITOR COOLGEN ADABAS EZYTREIVE FOCUS MQSERIES NATURAL REXB > SAS TSO DATACOM ADSO IDMS ABENDAID CA7 CHANGEMAN FILEAID INFOMAN+ > INTERTEST PANAVALET STROBE XMODS XPEDITOR  > > > JOBS MVS,OS/390,Z/OS,S390,OS390,ZOS,JCL,VSAM, COBOL,PL1,CICS >  > Thanks & Regards,  > Group Moderator.     "Loot the Inforamtion"?    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 03:33:48 -0700 - From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> = Subject: Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC C Message-ID: <1157625228.266480.263480@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:^ > In article <44FDA9DE.E05B3DA3@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > > 6 > > DECNET should never have had a need for a licence. > J >    And all software should be free?  Sorry, but I make my living writingG >    software and I expect the company I work for to get money from its  >    customers.   ? I agree with your sentiments with respect to paid for SW hardly  suprising given who I work for.   C However there is a difference here, no other vendor charged for the C basic networking software required to link two or more systems from C different vendors together except DEC, the norm for the rest of the 5 industry was that this was part of the base platform.   A To make matters worse the base platforms including networking for D competing OS platforms invariably cost less than OpenVMS without any addtional networking support.   C DEC quite clearly didn't understand the dynamics of the market they E were operating in, what they attempted to do was analogous to someone : like Ford trying to charge extra for an accelerator pedal.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 12:29:38 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)= Subject: Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC + Message-ID: <4mahliF58cmpU1@individual.net>   C In article <1157625228.266480.263480@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, 0 	"Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> writes: >  > Bob Koehler wrote:_ >> In article <44FDA9DE.E05B3DA3@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >> >7 >> > DECNET should never have had a need for a licence.  >>K >>    And all software should be free?  Sorry, but I make my living writing H >>    software and I expect the company I work for to get money from its >>    customers. > A > I agree with your sentiments with respect to paid for SW hardly ! > suprising given who I work for.  > E > However there is a difference here, no other vendor charged for the E > basic networking software required to link two or more systems from E > different vendors together except DEC, the norm for the rest of the 7 > industry was that this was part of the base platform.   H Sorry Andrew, but you are most definitely wrong.  SYSV shipped from AT&TG (on the entire 3B family) without networking, unless you accept UUCP as  a valid alternative to TCPIP.    > C > To make matters worse the base platforms including networking for F > competing OS platforms invariably cost less than OpenVMS without any > addtional networking support.   ? Not so sure aboutt his one either, as I don't have hard numbers A available, but I can tell you that commercial SYSV was not cheap.  And neither where 3B's.    > E > DEC quite clearly didn't understand the dynamics of the market they G > were operating in, what they attempted to do was analogous to someone < > like Ford trying to charge extra for an accelerator pedal.  C Maybe today, but originally, networking was not nearly as necessary 9 and probably not even wanted by most potential customers.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 08:13:33 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) = Subject: Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC 3 Message-ID: <6MmUTOKoLGh+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   D  In article <1157625228.266480.263480@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,5       "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> writes:    E > However there is a difference here, no other vendor charged for the E > basic networking software required to link two or more systems from E > different vendors together except DEC, the norm for the rest of the 7 > industry was that this was part of the base platform.    E   So most of the computers I've used in my life don't exist?  A great E   many of them didn't have any networking at all.  Many of them still @   don't.  Can't use it, don't want it, don't want to pay for it.  E   There goes Andrew again, with his blinders on.  Guess who's logo is    on the blinders?   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 07:28:32 -0700 - From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> = Subject: Re: Thoughts on the book: DEC is dead, long live DEC A Message-ID: <1157639312.448696.58680@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:E > In article <1157625228.266480.263480@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, 7 >       "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> writes:  > G > > However there is a difference here, no other vendor charged for the G > > basic networking software required to link two or more systems from G > > different vendors together except DEC, the norm for the rest of the 9 > > industry was that this was part of the base platform.  > G >   So most of the computers I've used in my life don't exist?  A great G >   many of them didn't have any networking at all.  Many of them still B >   don't.  Can't use it, don't want it, don't want to pay for it. > G >   There goes Andrew again, with his blinders on.  Guess who's logo is  >   on the blinders?  > By the late 80's almost everything could be networked and most) corporates had networking infrastructure.   E Of course if you wind back far enough it would be entirely reasonable F to exclude networking from the core pOS package, but by the end of theB 80's this was no longer acceptable but DEC persisted until a largeE market had been created for 3rd party alternatives to what DEC should $ have supplied for free. TGV etc etc.  > I will ignore you final comment it hardly deserves a response.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:54:50 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG; Subject: Re: VMS MAIL:  Will it ever join the 21st century? 0 Message-ID: <00A5B5D2.FA8AAB1F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <gDCXlSmJpP2r@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  >  > b >In article <44ff82c7$0$3578$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, Stephen Eickhoff <operagost@og.com> writes: > O >> But it's all still riding on a message store that hasn't seen a significant  N >> enhancement in some time (I'm guessing... 1988).  The greatest flaw is the K >> failure to store message size within the indexed file.  This negatively  9 >> impacts performance of POP3 and IMAP to a large degree  > : >But VMS users read their mail without using POP3 or IMAP. > H >If you want to use a VMS machine to serve mail files to other operatingE >systems, there are several third party products to do exactly that - # >one released within the past year.  > E >If you, with a goal off the design-center, are unwilling to buy from @ >third party vendors, there will soon be no third party vendors.  H Don't fret Larry, HP is working overtime to assure our demise regardless of customer purchases.   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 05:40:48 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com : Subject: Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever join the 21st century?C Message-ID: <1157632848.580977.105410@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   > besides PMDF, there is also Quintara and SOYmail for web based> access and Process is beta testing their web based mail add on to PMDF ...   C VMS mail does not get viruses, and I would not tinker too much with E it as to introduce any ... the above products all work very well with  vms mail ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:27:08 GMT ' From: jls <jeffls-nospam@sbcglobal.net>  Subject: Re: What is PSDC 8 Message-ID: <b770g25aqie7opdb5t86okqu1ofu63obgc@4ax.com>  1 On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:45:36 +0200, Marc Van Dyck   <marc.vandyck@brutele.be> wrote:   > E >I'm sorry but all those tools do not offer yet all the features that A >the PSDC/PSPA combination used to offer. Specially the real time C >performance display and the system tuning expert engine, which are  >still unrivalled.  8 I always loved the PSDC/PSPA tools for helping me manageF performance.... but that was a long time ago, and before CA bought the tools.  @ Since the CA buy of the tools, I have serious concerns about theE updates to the rulebase.  Without a good rulebase, the "system tuning $ expert engine" is basically useless.  F Now, to be fair, my exposure to the tool is severely limited now.  ButC as of 3 or 4 years ago, I know that the rules were very old and not B applicable to the then-current Alpha processors (let alone today's Integrity servers).   E Now, I would LOVE to have a tool continue in usefulness that the PSPA ? tool used to be.  And it would be very interesting to hear from  current PSPA customers.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 04:35:00 -0700 ; From: "george.pagliarulo@hp.com" <george.pagliarulo@hp.com> " Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-2] ECO dateB Message-ID: <1157628900.604909.36300@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>  D       Dave has it nearly correct.  It is a new process that isn't inE wide use yet and slipped my mind but, in addition to building patches D that correct current problems, through the use of enginering precogsF developed at the Tom Cruise Institute for Friendly Aliens,  we are nowC able to build patches that fix problems that you don't have yet but C will have in the future.  The date on the kit is the date when your E system is going to develop the bug.  Wait til you see what's going to E happen on March 15, 2007 if this new kit doesn't get out not on time. 7 We call it out Adaptive Temporal Enterprise Initiative.   E I've sent this problem to the group responsible for the kit.  I'm not G recommending  that the kit be re-issued just to fix the date but rather - somethng to be aware of for the next release.    George Pagliarulo  ECO Release Process  OpenVMS Sustaining Engineering Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 04:34:58 -0700 ; From: "george.pagliarulo@hp.com" <george.pagliarulo@hp.com> " Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-2] ECO dateB Message-ID: <1157628898.615945.36080@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>  D       Dave has it nearly correct.  It is a new process that isn't inE wide use yet and slipped my mind but, in addition to building patches D that correct current problems, through the use of enginering precogsF developed at the Tom Cruise Institute for Friendly Aliens,  we are nowC able to build patches that fix problems that you don't have yet but C will have in the future.  The date on the kit is the date when your E system is going to develop the bug.  Wait til you see what's going to E happen on March 15, 2007 if this new kit doesn't get out not on time. 7 We call it out Adaptive Temporal Enterprise Initiative.   E I've sent this problem to the group responsible for the kit.  I'm not G recommending  that the kit be re-issued just to fix the date but rather - somethng to be aware of for the next release.    George Pagliarulo  ECO Release Process  OpenVMS Sustaining Engineering Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 08:20:55 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com" Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-2] ECO dateQ Message-ID: <OF9F07AF1D.46FF4533-ON852571E2.0043BF7D-852571E2.0043D58F@metso.com>   I "george.pagliarulo@hp.com" <george.pagliarulo@hp.com> wrote on 09/07/2006  07:35:00 AM:  F >       Dave has it nearly correct.  It is a new process that isn't inG > wide use yet and slipped my mind but, in addition to building patches F > that correct current problems, through the use of enginering precogsH > developed at the Tom Cruise Institute for Friendly Aliens,  we are nowE > able to build patches that fix problems that you don't have yet but E > will have in the future.  The date on the kit is the date when your G > system is going to develop the bug.  Wait til you see what's going to G > happen on March 15, 2007 if this new kit doesn't get out not on time. 9 > We call it out Adaptive Temporal Enterprise Initiative.  > G > I've sent this problem to the group responsible for the kit.  I'm not I > recommending  that the kit be re-issued just to fix the date but rather / > somethng to be aware of for the next release.  >  > George Pagliarulo  > ECO Release Process   > OpenVMS Sustaining Engineering > Hewlett-Packard Company  > K Too bad we don't (didn't) have this for hardware; we might have saved Alpha  ;) !   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 08:30:45 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) " Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-2] ECO date3 Message-ID: <u8z4WOgVtDyl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <_4ydnR9-aqAAAWLZnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >>   > I > No, it just took them a while to produce the patch, and then they sent  - > it back in time to when it was needed.  :-)   H    Must have used an Alpha for that last step.  Nothing else runs faster    than the speed of light.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:03:47 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>" Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-2] ECO date0 Message-ID: <12g0bg5o7icvi68@corp.supernews.com>   george.pagliarulo@hp.com wrote: 
 8< snip 8< > George Pagliarulo  > ECO Release Process   > OpenVMS Sustaining Engineering  H This is a curious turn of phrase I didn't recall having seen before but @ that a quick Google (must be nice to have contributed something F indentifiable to the English language) shows has been used before but E only by George.  Unfortunately 'sustenance' sounds a little too much  G like 'sustentation' which sounds a lot like 'superannuation' which can  E be mistaken for 'care and maintenance' and is faintly reminiscent of   'palliative care'.   > Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2006 15:19:50 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)" Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-2] ECO date+ Message-ID: <4markmF5am04U1@individual.net>   3 In article <u8z4WOgVtDyl@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:e > In article <_4ydnR9-aqAAAWLZnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >>>  >>  J >> No, it just took them a while to produce the patch, and then they sent . >> it back in time to when it was needed.  :-) > J >    Must have used an Alpha for that last step.  Nothing else runs faster >    than the speed of light.   > Not really, they just bought one of the new time machines from Daimler/Chrysler.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.491 ************************                                                                                /6: >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/samba.
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