1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 09 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 494       Contents:3 Re: Bugcheck 3C4 Alpha 7.2-2 $audit_event User Mode 3 Re: Bugcheck 3C4 Alpha 7.2-2 $audit_event User Mode  Re: Calendar QAR Re: Calendar QAR Re: Calendar QAR RE: CIPCA Cards  Re: CIPCA Cards  Re: CIPCA Cards  Re: CIPCA Cards  Re: CIPCA Cards 4 Re: Determining your terminal's width using f$getdvi% Re: Disk Storage for AlphaServer DS20 % Re: Disk Storage for AlphaServer DS20 ' Re: Encrypted backup questions/concepts ' Re: Encrypted backup questions/concepts ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host ? Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host & Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& RE: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers: Inner-Mode initi-routines, mailbox i/o channels, and privs> Re: Inner-Mode initi-routines, mailbox i/o channels, and privsP Re: Is There Something Besides The FTP Command To Copy A File Between Two VMS Co5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 5 Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude... 	 Re: psftp ! Re: SAMBA 3.0 (CIFS) with TCPware ! Re: SAMBA 3.0 (CIFS) with TCPware   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:53:49 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>< Subject: Re: Bugcheck 3C4 Alpha 7.2-2 $audit_event User Mode* Message-ID: <450175ee@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Dave Froble wrote: > Hoff Hoffman wrote: I >>   It appears to be a privileged system crasher -- the AUDIT privilege  " >> is required for this interface. >> > J > In this case, does it matter?  If I'm being too simplistic, I'll gladly I > stand corrected.  But if simply not terminating a list causes a crash,   > isn't that still a problem?        Yes, the distinction matters.  M    The difference here is arguably subtle, in that that this is a PRIVILEGED  K crasher as compared to a NON-PRIVILEGED crasher -- there exist an infinite  P number of ways for a privileged user to crash or otherwise corrupt a system and B an assumption that privileged users will not trigger one of these.  O    The requirement for privileges particularly prevent unprivileged users from  O using the error for a DoS or other such activities, which is at the nub of the   distinction here.   L    The OpenVMS code itself would (still) be in error -- should the on-going K attempts to reproduce this locally succeed -- would (obviously) need to be  O corrected.  To date, this error and this system crash has not been replicated,  N and (via another posting) I've requested Mr Maher post or send along the CLUE J CRASH or a crashdump file -- more context around the crash and around the P run-time environment would be beneficial in attempting to replicate this report.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 07:54:52 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> < Subject: Re: Bugcheck 3C4 Alpha 7.2-2 $audit_event User Mode1 Message-ID: <edsvmf$718$1@news-02.connect.com.au>   	 Hi Steve,   J Yeah I'll be with ya in a minute - everyone's a bit keen today! The damageH (to me) is done, a work around (bugfix) is in place, a hacker needs priv8 (audit) to cause trouble and all's right with the world.  C >    And would this be a call to auditing from within a UWSS image?   E No, this is a detached User-Mode server process that *is* talking via K mailboxes with UWSSs in unprivileged user-process context. As I said, there G used to be a nsa$_chain there and then there wasn't, so a zero longword  saved the day.  G >    Attempts to reproduce this locally have (to date) failed, so there 
 appears toD > be somewhat more to the necessary run-time context than a straight$ > itemlist-related processing error.  L Thanks for the effort of all involved. Maybe it's what binary itemlist codesL the trailing ascii data in my working-storage translate to? Had a quick lookK at the source but couldn't waste any more time as it started to peel onions I with exe$ and nsa$ ratholes. Interesting(?) that other item list services J return a all encompassing ss$_badparam when there is an itemlist issue butK $audit_event has about 5 statii. (No common itemlist validation source code  then?)  H Just at the moment, I think I'm seeing what I think is my initializationI routine needing to $setprv<sysprv> to do  $qio to a protected mailbox but L the UWSSs don't. (Me thinks I've left SYSPRV on somewhere so off to check. .K .What's the use off having an inner-mode channel assigned if you still need I to up privs to i/o on it? (I'm in EXEC mode! It's an EXEC mode channel! I J can have all the privs in the world I want! Just get on with it!) Why doesI DCL/RMS tell you it successfully OPENed a protected (S:RWL,O,G,W) mailbox J and then give you NOPRV errors when you try to i/o or CLOSE it? How do you> enable crash dumps again? Why am I still in my dressing gown?)   More later. . .    Cheers Richard Maher  J PS. Yes, I am deliberately using an initialization routine to give you theF shits. (I think our relationship has moved to an unhealthy plateau :-)  9 "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote in message $ news:45017226@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > Richard Maher wrote: > H > > FYI, If you forget to terminate the itemlist to $audit_event you can crash + > > your system. Several times actually :-(  > E >    The CLUE CRASH output or a pointer to the system crashdump file,  please?  > G >    Attempts to reproduce this locally have (to date) failed, so there 
 appears toD > be somewhat more to the necessary run-time context than a straight$ > itemlist-related processing error. > C >    And would this be a call to auditing from within a UWSS image?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:39:18 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> Subject: Re: Calendar QAR , Message-ID: <45017285$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   William Webb wrote:   C > And while we're on the subject Rabinowitz, didn't he also write a A > piece entitled something like "A day in the life of the process 
 > scheduler"?   N    It was "a day in the life of the image activator", and there are copies of ! that posted around the 'net, too.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:43:54 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com>  Subject: Re: Calendar QAR + Message-ID: <4mdvvrF5m6npU1@individual.net>   * On 2006-09-08 15:39, "Hoff Hoffman" wrote:   > William Webb wrote:  > D >> And while we're on the subject Rabinowitz, didn't he also write aB >> piece entitled something like "A day in the life of the process >> scheduler"? > P >    It was "a day in the life of the image activator", and there are copies of # > that posted around the 'net, too.    It used to be available atR <http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/software/oe/openvms/fanclub/lite/imageact.txt># but apparently it isn't any longer.    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 16:31:08 -0400) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Calendar QAR H Message-ID: <7dd80f60609081331t76e7809bid27147a33ae5ea8f@mail.gmail.com>  ? On 9/8/06, Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote: , > On 2006-09-08 15:39, "Hoff Hoffman" wrote: >  > > William Webb wrote:  > > F > >> And while we're on the subject Rabinowitz, didn't he also write aD > >> piece entitled something like "A day in the life of the process > >> scheduler"? > > Q > >    It was "a day in the life of the image activator", and there are copies of % > > that posted around the 'net, too.  >  > It used to be available atT > <http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/software/oe/openvms/fanclub/lite/imageact.txt>% > but apparently it isn't any longer.   E Then there's the (in)famous "See Figure 1." from VMS V3, which can be F found at <http://www.dourish.com/goodies/see-figure-1.html> (and other places),   Ken    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 13:53:24 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: CIPCA CardsT Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401A12075@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----$ > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu=20A > [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon " > Sent: September 8, 2006 11:30 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: CIPCA Cards >=20? > OK, I was going to ask if a CIPCA cardset was supported by=20  > any OS other= > than VMS, but after actually looking at it, I can see it=20  > won't fit intoH > anything I have (I was told it was for a PC!) so, the question has now+ > changed.  Are these cards worth anything?  >=20 > bill >=20 > --=20 B > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. =20 > Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |E > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>  =20  >=20  G Think of CIPCA as being similar to FC card i.e. links server to storage @ farm - only based on CI technology (what might be stated was the predecessor to SAN's..)   E Try eBay .. Might get something for it there - likely from a Customer B who is looking for spares for their CI based cluster environement.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2006 18:56:14 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: CIPCA Cards+ Message-ID: <4mdsmeF5nml5U1@individual.net>   T In article <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401A12075@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>,* 	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: >  >  >> -----Original Message-----  >> From: bill@cs.uofs.edu=20# >> Sent: September 8, 2006 11:30 AM  >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: CIPCA Cards  >>=20 @ >> OK, I was going to ask if a CIPCA cardset was supported by=20 >> any OS other > >> than VMS, but after actually looking at it, I can see it=20 >> won't fit into I >> anything I have (I was told it was for a PC!) so, the question has now , >> changed.  Are these cards worth anything? >>=20  >> bill  > I > Think of CIPCA as being similar to FC card i.e. links server to storage B > farm - only based on CI technology (what might be stated was the > predecessor to SAN's..)   A Oh, I know what they are, just trying to see if I have any way to  actually use them.   > G > Try eBay .. Might get something for it there - likely from a Customer D > who is looking for spares for their CI based cluster environement.  J As much as I hate Ebay, that may be where they end out.  But I was willingG to give people here a first shot at them if they could be used.  Prices H on Ebay are often driven up by bidders who really have no clue what they are bidding on.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2006 13:54:33 -0700 ; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: CIPCA CardsC Message-ID: <1157748873.491439.177260@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:V > In article <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401A12075@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>,, > 	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > >  > >  > >> -----Original Message-----  > >> From: bill@cs.uofs.edu=20% > >> Sent: September 8, 2006 11:30 AM  > >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > >> Subject: CIPCA Cards  > >>=20 B > >> OK, I was going to ask if a CIPCA cardset was supported by=20 > >> any OS other @ > >> than VMS, but after actually looking at it, I can see it=20 > >> won't fit into K > >> anything I have (I was told it was for a PC!) so, the question has now . > >> changed.  Are these cards worth anything? > >>=20 	 > >> bill  > > K > > Think of CIPCA as being similar to FC card i.e. links server to storage D > > farm - only based on CI technology (what might be stated was the > > predecessor to SAN's..)  > C > Oh, I know what they are, just trying to see if I have any way to  > actually use them. >  > > I > > Try eBay .. Might get something for it there - likely from a Customer F > > who is looking for spares for their CI based cluster environement. > L > As much as I hate Ebay, that may be where they end out.  But I was willingI > to give people here a first shot at them if they could be used.  Prices J > on Ebay are often driven up by bidders who really have no clue what they > are bidding on.  >   # But if you're selling, that's good!   G The opposite also happens where prices are not driven up because nobody @ knows the value of an item - hence I was able to pick up a fully= functioning dual AIT-2 SSL2020 tape library for $60 (shipping ? included). (From somebody in your neck of the woods at Lycoming  College, Bill).   E   John H. Reinhardt (who just got beat out on 7 ES40's going for less F than $600 until 5 seconds before the auction ended - the final bid was $11.7K)    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2006 00:45:10 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: CIPCA Cards+ Message-ID: <4meh4mF5rul4U1@individual.net>   C In article <1157748873.491439.177260@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > 	"johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> writes: >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:W >> In article <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401A12075@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, - >> 	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:  >> > >> >  >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: bill@cs.uofs.edu=20 & >> >> Sent: September 8, 2006 11:30 AM >> >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  >> >> Subject: CIPCA Cards >> >>=20C >> >> OK, I was going to ask if a CIPCA cardset was supported by=20  >> >> any OS otherA >> >> than VMS, but after actually looking at it, I can see it=20  >> >> won't fit intoL >> >> anything I have (I was told it was for a PC!) so, the question has now/ >> >> changed.  Are these cards worth anything?  >> >>=20
 >> >> bill >> >L >> > Think of CIPCA as being similar to FC card i.e. links server to storageE >> > farm - only based on CI technology (what might be stated was the  >> > predecessor to SAN's..) >>D >> Oh, I know what they are, just trying to see if I have any way to >> actually use them.  >> >> >J >> > Try eBay .. Might get something for it there - likely from a CustomerG >> > who is looking for spares for their CI based cluster environement.  >>M >> As much as I hate Ebay, that may be where they end out.  But I was willing J >> to give people here a first shot at them if they could be used.  PricesK >> on Ebay are often driven up by bidders who really have no clue what they  >> are bidding on. >> > % > But if you're selling, that's good!   H Yes, but I wold rather see them go for somewhat less to someone here whoE needed them rather than for somewhat more to someone who may not even H know what he is bidding for.  If I don't hear from anyone here who might4 be interested then they will likely go to Ebay.  :-(   > I > The opposite also happens where prices are not driven up because nobody B > knows the value of an item - hence I was able to pick up a fully? > functioning dual AIT-2 SSL2020 tape library for $60 (shipping A > included). (From somebody in your neck of the woods at Lycoming  > College, Bill).   C Yeah, about an hour west of here.  Don't know anyone there, though.    > G >   John H. Reinhardt (who just got beat out on 7 ES40's going for less H > than $600 until 5 seconds before the auction ended - the final bid was	 > $11.7K)   L Thus what I said above!!  Although I wouldn't turn down $11.7K for them. :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 23:45:15 -0400/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: CIPCA CardsI Message-ID: <8660a3a10609082045j4a5c71c4j5de540d95471394a@mail.gmail.com>   6 On 8 Sep 2006 13:54:33 -0700, johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com! <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote:  >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:X > > In article <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401A12075@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>,3 > >       "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:  > > >  > > > ! > > >> -----Original Message-----   > > >> From: bill@cs.uofs.edu=20' > > >> Sent: September 8, 2006 11:30 AM   > > >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > >> Subject: CIPCA Cards 	 > > >>=20 D > > >> OK, I was going to ask if a CIPCA cardset was supported by=20 > > >> any OS other B > > >> than VMS, but after actually looking at it, I can see it=20 > > >> won't fit into M > > >> anything I have (I was told it was for a PC!) so, the question has now 0 > > >> changed.  Are these cards worth anything?	 > > >>=20  > > >> bill  > > > M > > > Think of CIPCA as being similar to FC card i.e. links server to storage F > > > farm - only based on CI technology (what might be stated was the > > > predecessor to SAN's..)  > > E > > Oh, I know what they are, just trying to see if I have any way to  > > actually use them. > >  > > > K > > > Try eBay .. Might get something for it there - likely from a Customer H > > > who is looking for spares for their CI based cluster environement. > > N > > As much as I hate Ebay, that may be where they end out.  But I was willingK > > to give people here a first shot at them if they could be used.  Prices L > > on Ebay are often driven up by bidders who really have no clue what they > > are bidding on.  > >  > % > But if you're selling, that's good!  > I > The opposite also happens where prices are not driven up because nobody B > knows the value of an item - hence I was able to pick up a fully? > functioning dual AIT-2 SSL2020 tape library for $60 (shipping A > included). (From somebody in your neck of the woods at Lycoming  > College, Bill).  > G >   John H. Reinhardt (who just got beat out on 7 ES40's going for less H > than $600 until 5 seconds before the auction ended - the final bid was	 > $11.7K)  >  >   A I got the CD-ROM/Floppy combo drive for my DS10L for $25 on eBay. , That's 1/10 or less what they go for retail.  9 And yes, I did the "Buy It Now" instead of bidding on it.    WWWebb   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:04:08 -0400* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>= Subject: Re: Determining your terminal's width using f$getdvi , Message-ID: <45019479$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  < "Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in messageD news:paul.sture.nospam-5061CD.18500407092006@mac.sture.homeip.net... > In articleC > <085BCCCF596B684092B66310B1D3BA7D03BA3ABE@NJ103EX1.EAST.VIS.COM>, 5 >  "Farrell, Michael" <MFarrell@Voltdelta.com> wrote:  > : > > How do I determine my terminal's current width in DCL? > > 
 > > Using: > > # > > a =  f$getdvi("TT:", "TT_PAGE")  > > Show symbol a  > > H > > I can get the page length of my terminal, but how do I get the screnC > > width setting back after I issuded a "set term/width=" command.  > >  > > TIA  > >  > > Mike Farrell > ) > Taken from sys$manager:sylogin.template  > H > $       ! Determine what sort of terminal this is, and avoid resettingF > $       ! the user's default display size settings in the process..., > $       tt_page = f$getdvi("TT","TT_PAGE")0 > $       devbufsiz = f$getdvi("TT","DEVBUFSIZ")? > $       SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE/PAGE='tt_page'/WIDTH='devbufsiz'  > $  >     J Yeah, but it sucks.  It just tells you what the terminal driver is set to.K To know the actual width of the terminal requires a couple escape sequences  and reading the response.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 14:40:17 -0400C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> . Subject: Re: Disk Storage for AlphaServer DS20: Message-ID: <oOiMg.14994$Ca4.13149@bignews7.bellsouth.net>   Malcolm   L Thanks for the PLUG, but please don't give people ideas about building their own Ebay sourced solutions. 6 It's very detrimental to our business and my salary!!!   ;0)    DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message& news:aPBqnuMdFqhG@malvm9.mala.bc.ca...+ > In article <op.tfkbanx5tte90l@hyrrokkin>, 3 >      "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes:  > >> > >>L > >> Hence, I think I need a product that can use large, modern SCSI or SATA( > >> drives, and connect them to a DS20. > >>	 > >> Mark  > >>K > > There are likely more options if you expand your search to "what works" I > > in addition to what is supported.  For example, you could put 6 large  scsiH > > drives in a BA350/370 shelf,  Of course the transfer rate isn't that great.I > > I am not familiar with SRM on the DS20 but if it supports wwidmgr you  could ( > > add a Storageworks SAN like an HSG80 > > I >     The DS20 supports fibrechannel so I would recommend you look to the J > used market and pick up something based on the HSG80. I believe disks up toJ > at least 146GB are supported and I'd expect that 300GB drives would work > fine too.  > H >     You should be able to pick up something like a MA2200 chassis with dualL > HSG80 controllers in it and add a 4200 or 4300 series drive shelf to it toC > achieve your requirement for 1TB quite easily and fairly cheaply.  > L >     David Turner at Island Computers (sales@hpaq.net) is a regular in this group G > and I'm sure he could give you a competetive quote for something like  this.  > J >     If you're the adventurous sort you could probably pick the pieces up on, > Ebay really cheaply and build it yourself. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:02:13 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>. Subject: Re: Disk Storage for AlphaServer DS20* Message-ID: <45019408@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Mark Iline wrote: - > "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote in message ? > news:1157710700.468891.112200@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  >> explore the options page K >> http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/asds20/asds20_options.html   ?    <http://www.hp.com/go/productbulletin/> is another resource.   O    I'm assuming you're not looking for Fibre Channel (FC) Storage Area Network  N (SAN) storage, and that you're looking for a lower-end storage configuration. 0 Though FC SAN is certainly available, obviously.  L > I must admit that I'd assumed my reseller would have referred to this when+ > they couldn't find me anything supported.       One would think.   K > Looking myself, there are certainly a fair few options there, but I don't # > think there's anything practical.   P    Check if MSA30 is supported on this box.  Based on what I see in the support  matrix, it's listed.  K > With current technology, I'd expect a TB of storage to be achievable with N > 3-4 drives. (eg 3 * 500GB drives.) The biggest disk listed on this page is aN > 36GB SBB. A fully populated dual pedestal RA3000 only gives about 500GB, and > hardly seems cost-effective.  O    MSA30 is 14 slots, and up to 300 GB per spindle -- check the support matrix  O for support information, but -- as it's a SCSI shelf -- I'd not expect that to  G be a big deal.  Based on what I see in the support matrix, it's listed.   Q    KZPAC or host-based volume shadowing (HBVS) would get you RAID, and there are  @ various RAID controllers in the HSZ, HSD and SWXR series listed.  I > Hence, I think I need a product that can use large, modern SCSI or SATA % > drives, and connect them to a DS20.   N    Also look at replacing the box -- not what you want to hear, but there are Q times when a box swap (for a new box, or for a less old box) can be a better and  F more economical approach than retrofitting pieces onto an old(er) box.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:33:46 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>0 Subject: Re: Encrypted backup questions/concepts* Message-ID: <4501713b@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Guy Peleg wrote:  : > Officially, encrypted BACKUP can't be performed from the= > standalone environment....especially when using the new AES  > formats with V8.3  > E > Encryption requires both SSL & Encrypt to be installed, this is not $ > the case with the distirbution CD.    L    It is, however, comparatively easy to build your own bootable disk, with N whatever products you need/want loaded.  (I have a set of detailed directions O around for generating a bootable CD or DVD, but booting off a magnetic disk is   an obvious solution.)   N    V8.3 improves USB support for storage and other devices, and adds in-built P DVD recording, and the AES and related pieces are installed with OpenVMS itself.      --   P    And as for the risks of BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK, I don't "like" or "dislike" N it, just that this mechanism be used with knowledge of the accompanying risks.  O    I can and do occasionally use the qualifier for my own operations, and I've  N personally patched back together more than a few system disks that had (only) N /IGNORE=INTERLOCK-based BACKUP archives available.  But I also (usually) find O that the restored contents have lost some state -- with system disks, it's the  Q queue manager that's seemingly "stuffed" most often.  As for what problems might  M be seen with the application files, that's (usually) Somebody Else's Problem  F (SEP) to put that part of the Humpty Dumpty System Disk back together.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2006 14:51:30 -0700 ( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>0 Subject: Re: Encrypted backup questions/conceptsB Message-ID: <1157752289.928700.29370@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > Guy Peleg wrote: > < > > Officially, encrypted BACKUP can't be performed from the? > > standalone environment....especially when using the new AES  > > formats with V8.3  > > G > > Encryption requires both SSL & Encrypt to be installed, this is not & > > the case with the distirbution CD. >  > M >    It is, however, comparatively easy to build your own bootable disk, with O > whatever products you need/want loaded.  (I have a set of detailed directions P > around for generating a bootable CD or DVD, but booting off a magnetic disk is > an obvious solution.)  > O >    V8.3 improves USB support for storage and other devices, and adds in-built R > DVD recording, and the AES and related pieces are installed with OpenVMS itself. >  >    --  > Q >    And as for the risks of BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK, I don't "like" or "dislike" P > it, just that this mechanism be used with knowledge of the accompanying risks. > P >    I can and do occasionally use the qualifier for my own operations, and I'veO > personally patched back together more than a few system disks that had (only) O > /IGNORE=INTERLOCK-based BACKUP archives available.  But I also (usually) find P > that the restored contents have lost some state -- with system disks, it's theR > queue manager that's seemingly "stuffed" most often.  As for what problems mightN > be seen with the application files, that's (usually) Somebody Else's ProblemH > (SEP) to put that part of the Humpty Dumpty System Disk back together.   Hoff, A      Is Ask the Wizard 9820 what you're referring too as detailed F directions?  We don't have a magnetic disk 'to spare' on most systems;E there's either only one (nonremoveable) disk or the data disk doesn't G have free space to spare for installation of a copy of the OS.  However B where we do have a sizeable data disk, thats certainly a very good option.   B      Something to play with this weekend.  I still don't have V8.3@ media but I can certainly test as much as possible with V8.2 and layered products.     Rich   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2006 18:01:32 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host+ Message-ID: <4mdpfrF5m0hrU2@individual.net>   9 In article <DoednfblDqblFJzYnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@libcom.com>, * 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:< >> In article <RdqdneN8vsn-nZzYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@libcom.com>,- >> 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: K >>> Aw, don't be that way.  How about this question.  How do I find the IP  $ >>> address on my Windoz 3.1 system? >>  - >> Depends, are you running DHCP or not?  :-)  >>   > 5 > I don't see anything useful produced by the search.  >  >:-)  B What search?  I was serious.  If you are not running DHCP then theF IP address is in PROTCOL.INI.  If you are running DHCP it is a little 6 harder to find it out.  It's probably a "NET" command.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:04:07 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host, Message-ID: <4501BEA5.CAC5D573@teksavvy.com>  G You know what, the best answer to your question , since you do not know E exactly what software is running on your node, and sicnyou don't have $ provileges is the following command:   $ HELP    G This will give you a list of topics. Generally, the topics that contain D lowercase characters tend to be educative, wheras the uppercase onlyD tend to be reference material.  You will most likely find some topicF about TCPIP, Internet etc at which point you can start to look into itF and see exactly what commands are available on your system to find out. your network configuration at the TCPIP level.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2006 14:23:06 -0500  From: briggs@encompasserve.orgH Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host3 Message-ID: <8kvJQiyaaxr8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <4501BEA5.CAC5D573@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:I > You know what, the best answer to your question , since you do not know G > exactly what software is running on your node, and sicnyou don't have & > provileges is the following command: >  > $ HELP  H The following command sequence might yield even more beneficial results:   $ CREATE LOGIN.COM $ STOP /ID=0 ^Z $ @LOGIN   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2006 12:42:22 -0700 - From: "Wilm Boerhout" <w5.boerhout@planet.nl> H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostC Message-ID: <1157744542.265233.247480@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   ! briggs@encompasserve.org told us:    > $ CREATE LOGIN.COM > $ STOP /ID=0 > ^Z
 > $ @LOGIN  
 NoNoNoNoNo!!!    The original way to go is:   $ CREATE LOGIN.COM $ STOP /ID=0 ^Z $ LOGOUT  / Isn't this much more fun than answering the OP?    /Wilm    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2006 14:58:15 -0500  From: briggs@encompasserve.orgH Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host3 Message-ID: <SAk1GqxoOwN1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   s In article <1157744542.265233.247480@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Wilm Boerhout" <w5.boerhout@planet.nl> writes:  > # > briggs@encompasserve.org told us:  >  >> $ CREATE LOGIN.COM  >> $ STOP /ID=0  >> ^Z  >> $ @LOGIN  >  > NoNoNoNoNo!!!  >  > The original way to go is: >  > $ CREATE LOGIN.COM > $ STOP /ID=0 > ^Z
 > $ LOGOUT  * Well, either way it's more efficient than:   $ CREATE LOGIN.COM $ SET DEFAULT 0::  ^Z	 $ DIR 0::   1 > Isn't this much more fun than answering the OP?    Yes, it is.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:00:04 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-5C0A5B.22000408092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  + In article <4mdpfrF5m0hrU2@individual.net>, *  bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:  ; > In article <DoednfblDqblFJzYnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@libcom.com>, , > 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > > Bill Gunshannon wrote:> > >> In article <RdqdneN8vsn-nZzYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@libcom.com>,/ > >> 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: M > >>> Aw, don't be that way.  How about this question.  How do I find the IP  & > >>> address on my Windoz 3.1 system? > >>  / > >> Depends, are you running DHCP or not?  :-)  > >>   > > 7 > > I don't see anything useful produced by the search.  > >  > >:-) > D > What search?  I was serious.  If you are not running DHCP then theH > IP address is in PROTCOL.INI.  If you are running DHCP it is a little 8 > harder to find it out.  It's probably a "NET" command. >      You missed the smiley, Bill.  ; I don't see anything useful produced by the search, either.    ---> BIG  S M I L E Y <---   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2006 21:02:28 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host+ Message-ID: <4me434F5r6naU1@individual.net>   J In article <paul.sture.nospam-5C0A5B.22000408092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>,2 	Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:- > In article <4mdpfrF5m0hrU2@individual.net>, , >  bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > < >> In article <DoednfblDqblFJzYnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@libcom.com>,- >> 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >> > Bill Gunshannon wrote: ? >> >> In article <RdqdneN8vsn-nZzYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@libcom.com>, 0 >> >> 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:N >> >>> Aw, don't be that way.  How about this question.  How do I find the IP ' >> >>> address on my Windoz 3.1 system?  >> >> 0 >> >> Depends, are you running DHCP or not?  :-) >> >>  >> >  8 >> > I don't see anything useful produced by the search. >> >   >> >:-)  >>  E >> What search?  I was serious.  If you are not running DHCP then the I >> IP address is in PROTCOL.INI.  If you are running DHCP it is a little  9 >> harder to find it out.  It's probably a "NET" command.  >>   >  > You missed the smiley, Bill. > = > I don't see anything useful produced by the search, either.  >  > ---> BIG  S M I L E Y <--- >   G Maybe I am justr dense, but I still don't get it.  If you are trying to G imply that there would have been no use for IP in Windows 3.1, well.... D I still have DOS disks (floppies) here that I use (more infrequentlyD all the time, but still once in a while) that have a Microsoft TCPIPD stack on them.  Running Windows 3.1 on top of this version of DOS isF certainly possible although most people who used networking with earlyH Windows used "Windows for Workgroups" which I seem to remember was 3.22.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:03:45 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-1C7DBE.23034508092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  9 In article <DoednfblDqblFJzYnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@libcom.com>, )  Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:    > Bill Gunshannon wrote:= > > In article <RdqdneN8vsn-nZzYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@libcom.com>, . > > 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:L > >> Aw, don't be that way.  How about this question.  How do I find the IP % > >> address on my Windoz 3.1 system?  > > . > > Depends, are you running DHCP or not?  :-) > >  > > bill > >  > 5 > I don't see anything useful produced by the search.  >  > :-)   C And don't forget to ask your CEO what is considered confidential...    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:58:35 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of HostJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-D2CACB.00583509092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  + In article <4me434F5r6naU1@individual.net>, *  bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:  L > In article <paul.sture.nospam-5C0A5B.22000408092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>,4 > 	Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:  > > You missed the smiley, Bill. > > ? > > I don't see anything useful produced by the search, either.  > >  > > ---> BIG  S M I L E Y <--- > >  > I > Maybe I am justr dense, but I still don't get it.  If you are trying to I > imply that there would have been no use for IP in Windows 3.1, well.... F > I still have DOS disks (floppies) here that I use (more infrequentlyF > all the time, but still once in a while) that have a Microsoft TCPIPF > stack on them.  Running Windows 3.1 on top of this version of DOS isH > certainly possible although most people who used networking with earlyJ > Windows used "Windows for Workgroups" which I seem to remember was 3.22. >    This should help:    ----- start quote -----   0 From: "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms H Subject: Re: How Do I Determine The IP Address And Complete Name Of Host Date: 8 Sep 2006 07:01:33 -0700 & Organization: http://groups.google.com  NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.76.32.144     Steven M. Schweda wrote:- > "Christopher Lusardi" <clusardi2k@aol.com>:  > I >    Assuming that it's installed and running properly, and that it's not 
 > too old: > < >       RUN TWG$TCP:[PATHWAY_ADMIN]PATHWAY$LIST_SOFTWARE.EXE >  > Mine says:
 >       [...]  > , > (I put "..." above to keep private stuff.)   Installed PathWay Products:  -------------------------- ...    I do not see anything useful.  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   ----- end quote -----    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:59:38 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>/ Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers * Message-ID: <4501774b@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Robert Deininger wrote: J > In article <1157707583.852900.172570@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Ian > Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote: ... ! >> What do people think of these?  >  > I like them. >  > But I suppose I'm biased.   N    The thing that was most notable to me around these boxes was how few parts Q are actually in them, and how much physical abuse the boxes could stand up to --  M the Integrity server mechanicals continue to improve.  (Engineers are seldom  K particularly gentle with prototype hardware -- well, not since the days of  M wire-wrap backplanes -- and these boxes withstood a rather brutal mechanical  % duty cycle at an event a while back.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 14:56:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers , Message-ID: <4501BCDD.BB9A4283@teksavvy.com>   Ian Miller wrote: : > There is a a special web site for this product launch at& > http://www.hp.com/go/integritysept06    A Just looked at that page. So it is just these 2 new boxes then ?    F I am curious on why one has a max of 80 "virtual machines" whereas theC other has a max of 160.  Why would the hardware make a difference ? > isn't it just a question of how the OS manages multi tasking ?  B Or have they set a hard limit of 20 instances per actual CPU ?  (2F dual-cpus for the smaller machine = 80 instances, 4 dual core cpus for the other = 160 instances).   C Or are there minimum physical memory requirements for each instance  running on HP-UX ?    C In terms of "dual core", while this may be great news for that IA64 F thing, it is old news for the computer industry. Laptops have had dual core for some time now.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:26:16 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers , Message-ID: <4501C3D1.CB3798F8@teksavvy.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: O >    The thing that was most notable to me around these boxes was how few parts R > are actually in them, and how much physical abuse the boxes could stand up to --    G Good indication of just how much VMS engineers *love* those boxes.  Did E you guys use hammers ? Axes ? Jackhammers to vent your frustration at ( that platform ?  :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2006 13:03:25 -0700 < From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>/ Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers B Message-ID: <1157745805.764133.54970@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Ian Miller wrote: < > > There is a a special web site for this product launch at( > > http://www.hp.com/go/integritysept06 : E > Or are there minimum physical memory requirements for each instance  > running on HP-UX ?  B Yes. In the current implementation each guest gets a pre-assigned,C fixed, amount of memory to play with. The CPU quotas can be tweaked C over from partial to all, but there is no flexibility in the memory  presented to the guest. + There are efforts underway to address that.    Hein.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 12:01:17 -0400* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>/ Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers , Message-ID: <450193ce$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message A news:P7adnU-63IIlHJzYnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  > Ian Miller wrote:  > > press release > > > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2006/060907xa.html > > < > > There is a a special web site for this product launch at( > > http://www.hp.com/go/integritysept06 > > 8 > > Reply of webcast at http://hpbroadband.com/integrity > >  > > (VMS is mentioned :-)  > > I > > hp are claiming impressive price/performance figures and I think they  > > look very nice :-) > > " > > What do people think of these? > J > I'm waiting to see large-system TPC-C results:  my guess is that they'llI > still have difficulty matching POWER5 even using twice as many cores as H > IBM does to achieve their 3.21M score (let alone POWER5+'s 4+M score),@ > but it's possible that the new, warmed-over Superdome internalC > architecture will do better than I expect (any other large-system 3 > commercial benchmarks out there yet to compare?).  >   0 Cool.  How fast does VMS run on the Power5+ 4+M?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:52:42 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>/ Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers G Message-ID: <6PidncdBWra2e5zYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    FredK wrote:7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message C > news:P7adnU-63IIlHJzYnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com...  >> Ian Miller wrote: >>> press release > >>> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2006/060907xa.html >>> < >>> There is a a special web site for this product launch at( >>> http://www.hp.com/go/integritysept06 >>> 8 >>> Reply of webcast at http://hpbroadband.com/integrity >>>  >>> (VMS is mentioned :-)  >>> I >>> hp are claiming impressive price/performance figures and I think they  >>> look very nice :-) >>> " >>> What do people think of these?K >> I'm waiting to see large-system TPC-C results:  my guess is that they'll J >> still have difficulty matching POWER5 even using twice as many cores asI >> IBM does to achieve their 3.21M score (let alone POWER5+'s 4+M score), A >> but it's possible that the new, warmed-over Superdome internal D >> architecture will do better than I expect (any other large-system4 >> commercial benchmarks out there yet to compare?). >> > 2 > Cool.  How fast does VMS run on the Power5+ 4+M?  H I'm not sure how that would be relevant to this sub-topic, unless HP is E actually touting price/performance metrics for VMS on Superdome (see  F above context).  That would be great, since I can't remember the last 8 time VMS's owners bothered to benchmark anything on VMS.  H Of course, if VMS were to be ported to a platform as estimable as POWER G (if that's what you were obliquely referring to) that would be nice as  I well (though I'd have to suggest that porting to x86-64 should likely be   a higher priority).    - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 20:47:22 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> / Subject: RE: HP announces new Integrity servers T Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401A121A9@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]=20! > Sent: September 8, 2006 5:53 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1 > Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers  >=20 > FredK wrote:  
 [snip ...]   > >=204 > > Cool.  How fast does VMS run on the Power5+ 4+M? >=20? > I'm not sure how that would be relevant to this sub-topic,=20  > unless HP is=20 I > actually touting price/performance metrics for VMS on Superdome (see=20 J > above context).  That would be great, since I can't remember the last=20: > time VMS's owners bothered to benchmark anything on VMS. >=209 > Of course, if VMS were to be ported to a platform as=20  > estimable as POWER=20 @ > (if that's what you were obliquely referring to) that would=20 > be nice as=20 < > well (though I'd have to suggest that porting to x86-64=20 > should likely be=20  > a higher priority).  >=20 > - bill >=20  E Yep, all those CIO's and CEO's can't wait to add to the CPU glut that C they already have. With Wintel server avg performance in peak times G below 15% and UNIX servers in peak times below 25%, these companies are F clearly in dire need of benchmark information which shows how they can/ decrease their utilization rates even lower.=20   < Its probably worth providing this link again for reflection:2 http://www.itjungle.com/tug/tug102005-story04.html3 "Stop Arguing About Cars and Start Managing Fleets"    :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:49:12 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>/ Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers * Message-ID: <4501c93c@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Hoff Hoffman wrote: P >>    The thing that was most notable to me around these boxes was how few partsS >> are actually in them, and how much physical abuse the boxes could stand up to --  > I > Good indication of just how much VMS engineers *love* those boxes.  Did G > you guys use hammers ? Axes ? Jackhammers to vent your frustration at * > that platform ?  :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  M    I "abused" one of these series boxes as part of a customer demonstration,  O repeatedly assembling and disassembling the prototype system down to its major  O components (down to the level of the processor headsinks, though I didn't pull  P the Intel Itanium 2 processors off their sockets), and the box resumed its work O when it arrived back to the engineering lab.  (More than a few folks witnessed  O the repeated disassembly and reassembly of the prototype system -- and the box  ; was plugged in and booted when it arrived back at the lab.)    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2006 15:49:50 -0500 . From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks)/ Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers , Message-ID: <9UADqzPtqRbs@cuebid.zko.hp.com>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > Ian Miller wrote: ; >> There is a a special web site for this product launch at ' >> http://www.hp.com/go/integritysept06  >  > C > Just looked at that page. So it is just these 2 new boxes then ?   > H > I am curious on why one has a max of 80 "virtual machines" whereas theE > other has a max of 160.  Why would the hardware make a difference ? @ > isn't it just a question of how the OS manages multi tasking ? > E > Or are there minimum physical memory requirements for each instance  > running on HP-UX ?  J There are physical memory recommendations for each instance.  There shouldI be *at least* 1GB of physical memory for each guest instance plus 1GB for M the HP-UX host.  Note that when you configure a guest instance, you determine O how much CPU an instance gets (expressed as a percentage of the CPU capability  4 of the host, or as the number of cycles per second),0 as well as how much "memory" each instance gets.  ( Each instance can have from 1 to 4 CPUs.  I As I've stated already (and shown publicly at the boot camp and TAF), VMS H is up and running as a guest instance in our lab, although we still haveE a fair amount of work to get it production-ready.  Still, things like F clustering, host-based volume shadowing, MSCP serving are working with no tweaks needed at all.   --    H Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 00:46:53 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers , Message-ID: <45024731.A87E1E2D@teksavvy.com>   Rob Brooks wrote: L > There are physical memory recommendations for each instance.  There shouldK > be *at least* 1GB of physical memory for each guest instance plus 1GB for  > the HP-UX host.   G You mention "recommendation".  Are there actual "physical" requirements G that each instance have some dedicated physical memory ?  Or does HP-UX E just give an instance a certain amount of HP-UX's virtual memory that D appears to the instance as physical memory ?  (aka: a page which VMS9 thinks is physical memory may be paged by HP-UX to disk).   G Or does HP=UX permanently allocate a fixed amount of physical memory to G an instance, with HP-UX never touching that memroy nor using it as part  of any paging operation ?   H If HP-UX gives an instance virtual memory, I take it the instance has noG way to know whether a page actually resides in HP-UX physical memory or * whether it resides in an HP-UX page file ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 01:32:32 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>/ Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers G Message-ID: <M42dnWs_8pxszJ_YnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- 3 >> From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]  " >> Sent: September 8, 2006 5:53 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2 >> Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers >> >> FredK wrote:  >  > [snip ...] > 4 >>> Cool.  How fast does VMS run on the Power5+ 4+M?> >> I'm not sure how that would be relevant to this sub-topic,  >> unless HP is H >> actually touting price/performance metrics for VMS on Superdome (see I >> above context).  That would be great, since I can't remember the last  ; >> time VMS's owners bothered to benchmark anything on VMS.  >>8 >> Of course, if VMS were to be ported to a platform as  >> estimable as POWER ? >> (if that's what you were obliquely referring to) that would   >> be nice as ; >> well (though I'd have to suggest that porting to x86-64   >> should likely be  >> a higher priority). >>	 >> - bill  >> > G > Yep, all those CIO's and CEO's can't wait to add to the CPU glut that  > they already have.  E Au contraire:  what they'd *like* to be able to do is standardize on  C x86-64, and indeed as that's becoming increasingly possible that's  F exactly what they seem to be doing as a consequence (though there's a ; lot of lag in the high end, given product lifetimes there).   2   With Wintel server avg performance in peak timesI > below 15% and UNIX servers in peak times below 25%, these companies are H > clearly in dire need of benchmark information which shows how they can/ > decrease their utilization rates even lower.    G You really are a broken record, Kerry - and people really do get tired  I of that in significantly greater numbers than are likely to be convinced   by such droning.   > > > Its probably worth providing this link again for reflection:4 > http://www.itjungle.com/tug/tug102005-story04.html5 > "Stop Arguing About Cars and Start Managing Fleets"   B What an interesting citation for someone who purports to be a VMS H advocate.  That article states clearly, multiple times, and in multiple 
 ways, that  I "We find ourselves living in a world of parity; at least as far as Unix,  F OS/400, and VMS servers are concerned. What I mean by this is that as H far as base technology goes, we have a level playing field. The Windows G and Linux operating systems have made some progress, but still have to  G make up some ground in terms of scalability, availability and workload  > management in order to compete head-to-head with the dominant H Unixes--Solaris, AIX, and HP-UX--or IBM's OS/400-based iSeries platform I or Hewlett-Packard's OpenVMS platform, which may as well both be Unix in  ? terms of its uptime, resiliency, security, and sophistication."   I Think (if you are capable) of what that means:  that even as of today no  H one needs VMS at all (given that just-as-good Unix expertise is so much G easier to come by), that increasingly no one needs anything but x86-64  I (as scalable and reliable solutions on that platform already exist up to  F quite reasonable system sizes - 64 cores from IBM, 16 - 32 cores from H multiple sources for Opteron, and even larger configurations on the way H for both), and that standardizing on that single platform (with all its I commodity volume/cost advantages and upon which can run high-end Unix in  H the form or Solaris, dirt-common Windows, and intermediate-level Linux) * thus has become something of a no-brainer.  H Of course, some people might dispute some of the underlying assumptions D in the above, but they follow very directly from combining your own @ repetitive droning with the content of the article which you've F recommended we reflect upon.  As the adage goes, "Be careful what you  wish for..."   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:30:17 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> C Subject: Inner-Mode initi-routines, mailbox i/o channels, and privs 1 Message-ID: <edt8pt$jao$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,   L I'm gonna have to move on from this anomaly/bug and finish the reset of thisK example before I give up too much of my free time, but if anyone with fresh H eyes can look down the following snippet and answer any of the following questions I'd be grateful: -  L 1) Having assigned the cmd_chan channel in Exec Mode, why do I first have toH $setprv to SYSPRV before being able to do a $QIO on that chan while *in*
 Exec Mode?8 2) Why doesn't the *last* asynchronous read need SYSPRV?K 3) Why doesn't a subsequent UWSS routine also need to up privileges to do a  QIO?I 4) Given 2 and 3, I automatically assumed that I'd left on SYSPRV and the J elevated state was persisting, but I've checked the process privileges and they are still at /NOALLF 5) I tried other asynchronous i/o but they still seemed to need SYSPRVL 6) Writes from Exec Mode rundown handler and Asynch reads from EXEC ASTs all0 work at ambient (I swear it's zilch!) privileges  K The above all takes place in a LIB$INITIALIZE initialization routine for an K EXEC mode UWSS. The symptons point to the common cold but on the other hand I they could just be masking a job for Dr. House! Is it the image acticator ; barfing at that nasty little STACKARGS flag that $QIO uses?    Regards Richard Maher   " PS. Stuart Davidson's rubbish! :-)    '         .call_entry     label=auth_init   '         $trnlnm_s       attr=lnm_attr,- 1                         tabnam=lnm$system_table,- )                         lognam=st_peter,- ,                         acmode=#psl$c_user,-*                         itmlst=cmd_mbx_lst         blbs            r0,20$         ret   # 20$:    $setprv_s       enbflg=#1,- (                         prvadr=sys_prv,-&                         prvprv=old_prv  /         $assign_s       devnam=cmd_mbx_desc,  - /                         chan=cmd_chan,        - /                         acmode=#psl$c_exec,   - .                         flags=#agn$m_writeonly           movl            r0,r5 /         bicl3           old_prv,sys_prv,del_prv #         $setprv_s       enbflg=#0,- &                         prvadr=del_prv         movl            r5,r0            blbs            r0,30$         ret   # 30$:    $setprv_s       enbflg=#1,- (                         prvadr=tmp_mbx,-&                         prvprv=old_prv  *         $crembx_s       chan=reply_chan, -*                         maxmsg=#max_msg, -.                         bufquo=#<4*max_msg>, -)                         promsk=#^xfff4, - -                         acmode=#psl$c_exec, - -                         flags=#cmb$m_readonly            movl            r0,r5 /         bicl3           old_prv,tmp_mbx,del_prv #         $setprv_s       enbflg=#0,- &                         prvadr=del_prv         movl            r5,r0          blbc            r0,910$   1         $getdviw_s      chan=reply_chan,        - 1                         itmlst=dvi_list,        - %                         iosb=dvi_iosb            blbc            r0,910$ #         movl            dvi_iosb,r0          blbc            r0,910$   1         $getjpiw_s      itmlst=jpi_list,        - %                         iosb=jpi_iosb          blbc            r0,910$ #         movl            jpi_iosb,r0          blbc            r0,910$   #         $setprv_s       enbflg=#1,- (                         prvadr=sys_prv,-&                         prvprv=old_prv  (         $qiow_s         chan=cmd_chan, -A                         func=#<io$_writevblk!io$m_readercheck>, - $                         iosb=iosb, -(                         p1=logon_buff, -*                         p2=#logon_buff_len           movl            r0,r5 /         bicl3           old_prv,sys_prv,del_prv #         $setprv_s       enbflg=#0,- &                         prvadr=del_prv         movl            r5,r0            blbc            r0,910$          movzwl          iosb,r0          blbc            r0,910$   !         $setast_s       enbflg=#1 &         cmpw            r0,#ss$_wasset         bneq            40$          incl            enb_flg   * 40$:    $setimr_s       daytim=two_secs, -/                         astadr=g^cancel_wait, - *                         reqidt=#reply_chan         blbc            r0,900$           incl            timer_on  #         $setprv_s       enbflg=#1,- (                         prvadr=sys_prv,-&                         prvprv=old_prv  *         $qiow_s         chan=reply_chan, ->                         func=#<io$_setmode!io$m_writerwait>, -!                         iosb=iosb            movl            r0,r5 /         bicl3           old_prv,sys_prv,del_prv #         $setprv_s       enbflg=#0,- &                         prvadr=del_prv         movl            r5,r0            blbc            r0,900$          movzwl          iosb,r0          blbc            r0,900$   *         $cantim_s       reqidt=#reply_chan  #         $setprv_s       enbflg=#1,- (                         prvadr=sys_prv,-&                         prvprv=old_prv  *         $qiow_s         chan=reply_chan, -@                         func=#<io$_readvblk!io$m_writercheck>, -$                         iosb=iosb, -)                         p1=logon_reply, - +                         p2=#logon_reply_len            movl            r0,r5 /         bicl3           old_prv,sys_prv,del_prv #         $setprv_s       enbflg=#0,- &                         prvadr=del_prv         movl            r5,r0            blbc            r0,900$          movzwl          iosb,r0          blbc            r0,900$   9         cmpw            iosb+iosb$w_bcnt,#logon_reply_len          bneq            900$2         cmpw            logon_reply,logon_reply_id         bneq            900$  -         movw            auth_chan,logoff_chan   *         $qio_s          chan=reply_chan, -@                         func=#<io$_readvblk!io$m_writercheck>, -)                         iosb=read_iosb, - ,                         astadr=g^read_ast, -(                         p1=reply_buff, -#                         p2=#max_msg            blbc            r0,900$   &         $setast_s       enbflg=enb_flg           ret     900$:   tstl            timer_on         beql            905$*         $cantim_s       reqidt=#reply_chan  & 905$:   $setast_s       enbflg=enb_flg    910$:   tstw            cmd_chan         beql            920$%         $dassgn_s       chan=cmd_chan           clrw            cmd_chan  " 920$:   tstw            reply_chan         beql            930$'         $dassgn_s       chan=reply_chan "         clrw            reply_chan 930$:   ret    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 13:33:51 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> G Subject: Re: Inner-Mode initi-routines, mailbox i/o channels, and privs 1 Message-ID: <edtji3$4jl$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,   J If you don't provide a AST routine address to the asynch $QIO then it alsoH returns SS$_NOPRIV. I'm starting to lean toward the Mailbox driver as my? nemesis. (But then why does the behaviour still vary from image L initialization to RTL invocation? Has Stu been too clever for his own good?)   Regards Richard Maher   4 PS. Whoever wrote the mailbox driver is rubbish! :-)  > "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote in message+ news:edt8pt$jao$1@news-02.connect.com.au...  > Hi,  > I > I'm gonna have to move on from this anomaly/bug and finish the reset of  thisG > example before I give up too much of my free time, but if anyone with  fresh J > eyes can look down the following snippet and answer any of the following > questions I'd be grateful: - > K > 1) Having assigned the cmd_chan channel in Exec Mode, why do I first have  toJ > $setprv to SYSPRV before being able to do a $QIO on that chan while *in* > Exec Mode?: > 2) Why doesn't the *last* asynchronous read need SYSPRV?K > 3) Why doesn't a subsequent UWSS routine also need to up privileges to do  a  > QIO?K > 4) Given 2 and 3, I automatically assumed that I'd left on SYSPRV and the L > elevated state was persisting, but I've checked the process privileges and > they are still at /NOALLH > 5) I tried other asynchronous i/o but they still seemed to need SYSPRVJ > 6) Writes from Exec Mode rundown handler and Asynch reads from EXEC ASTs all 2 > work at ambient (I swear it's zilch!) privileges > J > The above all takes place in a LIB$INITIALIZE initialization routine for anH > EXEC mode UWSS. The symptons point to the common cold but on the other handK > they could just be masking a job for Dr. House! Is it the image acticator = > barfing at that nasty little STACKARGS flag that $QIO uses?  >  > Regards Richard Maher  > $ > PS. Stuart Davidson's rubbish! :-) >  > ) >         .call_entry     label=auth_init  > ) >         $trnlnm_s       attr=lnm_attr,- 3 >                         tabnam=lnm$system_table,- + >                         lognam=st_peter,- . >                         acmode=#psl$c_user,-, >                         itmlst=cmd_mbx_lst  >         blbs            r0,20$
 >         ret  > % > 20$:    $setprv_s       enbflg=#1,- * >                         prvadr=sys_prv,-( >                         prvprv=old_prv > 1 >         $assign_s       devnam=cmd_mbx_desc,  - 1 >                         chan=cmd_chan,        - 1 >                         acmode=#psl$c_exec,   - 0 >                         flags=#agn$m_writeonly >  >         movl            r0,r5 1 >         bicl3           old_prv,sys_prv,del_prv % >         $setprv_s       enbflg=#0,- ( >                         prvadr=del_prv >         movl            r5,r0  >   >         blbs            r0,30$
 >         ret  > % > 30$:    $setprv_s       enbflg=#1,- * >                         prvadr=tmp_mbx,-( >                         prvprv=old_prv > , >         $crembx_s       chan=reply_chan, -, >                         maxmsg=#max_msg, -0 >                         bufquo=#<4*max_msg>, -+ >                         promsk=#^xfff4, - / >                         acmode=#psl$c_exec, - / >                         flags=#cmb$m_readonly  >  >         movl            r0,r5 1 >         bicl3           old_prv,tmp_mbx,del_prv % >         $setprv_s       enbflg=#0,- ( >                         prvadr=del_prv >         movl            r5,r0 ! >         blbc            r0,910$  > 3 >         $getdviw_s      chan=reply_chan,        - 3 >                         itmlst=dvi_list,        - ' >                         iosb=dvi_iosb  > ! >         blbc            r0,910$ % >         movl            dvi_iosb,r0 ! >         blbc            r0,910$  > 3 >         $getjpiw_s      itmlst=jpi_list,        - ' >                         iosb=jpi_iosb ! >         blbc            r0,910$ % >         movl            jpi_iosb,r0 ! >         blbc            r0,910$  > % >         $setprv_s       enbflg=#1,- * >                         prvadr=sys_prv,-( >                         prvprv=old_prv > * >         $qiow_s         chan=cmd_chan, -C >                         func=#<io$_writevblk!io$m_readercheck>, - & >                         iosb=iosb, -* >                         p1=logon_buff, -, >                         p2=#logon_buff_len >  >         movl            r0,r5 1 >         bicl3           old_prv,sys_prv,del_prv % >         $setprv_s       enbflg=#0,- ( >                         prvadr=del_prv >         movl            r5,r0  > ! >         blbc            r0,910$ ! >         movzwl          iosb,r0 ! >         blbc            r0,910$  > # >         $setast_s       enbflg=#1 ( >         cmpw            r0,#ss$_wasset >         bneq            40$ ! >         incl            enb_flg  > , > 40$:    $setimr_s       daytim=two_secs, -1 >                         astadr=g^cancel_wait, - , >                         reqidt=#reply_chan! >         blbc            r0,900$ " >         incl            timer_on > % >         $setprv_s       enbflg=#1,- * >                         prvadr=sys_prv,-( >                         prvprv=old_prv > , >         $qiow_s         chan=reply_chan, -@ >                         func=#<io$_setmode!io$m_writerwait>, -# >                         iosb=iosb  >  >         movl            r0,r5 1 >         bicl3           old_prv,sys_prv,del_prv % >         $setprv_s       enbflg=#0,- ( >                         prvadr=del_prv >         movl            r5,r0  > ! >         blbc            r0,900$ ! >         movzwl          iosb,r0 ! >         blbc            r0,900$  > , >         $cantim_s       reqidt=#reply_chan > % >         $setprv_s       enbflg=#1,- * >                         prvadr=sys_prv,-( >                         prvprv=old_prv > , >         $qiow_s         chan=reply_chan, -B >                         func=#<io$_readvblk!io$m_writercheck>, -& >                         iosb=iosb, -+ >                         p1=logon_reply, - - >                         p2=#logon_reply_len  >  >         movl            r0,r5 1 >         bicl3           old_prv,sys_prv,del_prv % >         $setprv_s       enbflg=#0,- ( >                         prvadr=del_prv >         movl            r5,r0  > ! >         blbc            r0,900$ ! >         movzwl          iosb,r0 ! >         blbc            r0,900$  > ; >         cmpw            iosb+iosb$w_bcnt,#logon_reply_len  >         bneq            900$4 >         cmpw            logon_reply,logon_reply_id >         bneq            900$ > / >         movw            auth_chan,logoff_chan  > , >         $qio_s          chan=reply_chan, -B >                         func=#<io$_readvblk!io$m_writercheck>, -+ >                         iosb=read_iosb, - . >                         astadr=g^read_ast, -* >                         p1=reply_buff, -% >                         p2=#max_msg  > ! >         blbc            r0,900$  > ( >         $setast_s       enbflg=enb_flg > 
 >         ret  > " > 900$:   tstl            timer_on >         beql            905$, >         $cantim_s       reqidt=#reply_chan > ( > 905$:   $setast_s       enbflg=enb_flg > " > 910$:   tstw            cmd_chan >         beql            920$' >         $dassgn_s       chan=cmd_chan " >         clrw            cmd_chan > $ > 920$:   tstw            reply_chan >         beql            930$) >         $dassgn_s       chan=reply_chan $ >         clrw            reply_chan
 > 930$:   ret  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 08 Sep 2006 20:39:57 -04003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> Y Subject: Re: Is There Something Besides The FTP Command To Copy A File Between Two VMS Co . Message-ID: <mddy7st98ki.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  + "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> writes:   4 > Before there was TCP/IP and FTP, there was DECnet.  I DECNET preceded TCP/IP, but not FTP, which originated as one of the first 2 protocols in NCP (the IMP-based ARPANET protocol).   --  L Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 15:23:52 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> > Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...+ Message-ID: <4501C342.B6918F4@teksavvy.com>    Peter \"Firefly\" Lund wrote: K > Anyway, the important nit was that the unit is just called Kelvin and not H > degrees Kelvin.  Degrees are for angles and legacy temperature scales.   I can see the logic in this.  0 We say 20 metres. We don't say 20 length metres.  F However, this means 20 * 1 metre. And it is not fixed to any location.+ This is more of a "difference" in location.   H If we say 20 Celcius, it would mean 20 * 1 Celcius, and would indicate aF difference. (for instance 473 Celcius would be the difference absolute zero and melting of water.  @ But 20 degrees Celcius indicates an absolute value with 0 as the reference point.      E Another analogy: in railway, you can say it is 47 km distance between F two points. But if refereing to work needing to be done, you will tellG the repairmain to go to the 47km marker. This sets a point of reference 6 (the start of a rail division) and thus the end point.    ? In the case of Kelvin, I can see how the notation of a point of H reference is moot because of the accepted theory that you cannot get anyE colder than 0 kelvin, so by mentioning any number followed by Kelvin, H you are assured that this is an absolute (and not relative/delta) value.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:16:38 +02000 From: "Peter \"Firefly\" Lund" <firefly@diku.dk>> Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...; Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0609082214010.16255@ask.diku.dk>   # On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, JF Mezei wrote:   A > In the case of Kelvin, I can see how the notation of a point of J > reference is moot because of the accepted theory that you cannot get anyG > colder than 0 kelvin, so by mentioning any number followed by Kelvin, J > you are assured that this is an absolute (and not relative/delta) value.  F No, it is not anything to do with absolute vs relative values.  It is H simply because the unit should be as short and unambiguous as possible. 2 Therefore SI units do not contain the word degree.   -Peter   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2006 16:18:19 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) > Subject: Re: OT: IA64's speed beaten by orders of magnitude...3 Message-ID: <u6+5jCXLmC2I@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <4501C342.B6918F4@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > A > In the case of Kelvin, I can see how the notation of a point of J > reference is moot because of the accepted theory that you cannot get anyG > colder than 0 kelvin, so by mentioning any number followed by Kelvin, J > you are assured that this is an absolute (and not relative/delta) value.  7    Just when you thought you were all straight on this:   E    Any good physicist knows you can get negative Kelvin.  The reality *    is negative Kelvin are exceedingly hot.  F    While I'll keep using Farenheit for the weather, the one true scale    is -1/K .  +    Which reflects why you can't get to 0 K.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2006 16:20:17 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: psftp3 Message-ID: <sruF1rsID53b@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <op.tfkhglg8tte90l@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes:2 > I attempt to get a file from a VMS system to W2k >  > psftp> get STARLET.ZIPK > remote:/dpli$/decpli/starlet/cia20060906/STARLET.ZIP =3D> local:STARLET.=   D    I think psftp has implemented the concept of ASCII vs. IMAGE modeF    transfers.  It looks like your fetching the ZIP file in ASCII mode.    Try the bin command.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2006 16:03:10 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: Re: SAMBA 3.0 (CIFS) with TCPware3 Message-ID: <eFdLTPp2wYrR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <45014dc7$0$24178$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  M > After appealing for help on the info-vax mailing list, I received these PSC J > zipped files from 3 other people so I'm assuming they are public domain.  D    "public domain" could imply that PSC has given up legal ownershipC    or copyright.  I don't think they've done that.  Putting them on C    an anonymous ftp service makes it fairly clear what restrictions (    on passing around copies of thier IP.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:59:47 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> * Subject: Re: SAMBA 3.0 (CIFS) with TCPware< Message-ID: <4502025e$0$24186$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:eFdLTPp2wYrR@eisner.encompasserve.org... L > In article <45014dc7$0$24178$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck"   > <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: > K >> After appealing for help on the info-vax mailing list, I received these   >> PSCK >> zipped files from 3 other people so I'm assuming they are public domain.  > E >   "public domain" could imply that PSC has given up legal ownership D >   or copyright.  I don't think they've done that.  Putting them onD >   an anonymous ftp service makes it fairly clear what restrictions) >   on passing around copies of thier IP.  > K I agree but before hearing from PSC I used the feedback button on the CIFS  K web site warning HP of the problem. A CIFS tech from HP then sent me a zip   containing the same files.  K I think everyone involved just wants to have everything working across the   whole product line.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.494 ************************