1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 13 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 502       Contents: Re: add node to DECps  Re: add node to DECps # Re: All is not well at the HP board # Re: All is not well at the HP board  Re: Auto reboot fails on DS10 ( Re: Changes to OpenVMS Patch Kit Formats( Re: Changes to OpenVMS Patch Kit Formats( Re: Changes to OpenVMS Patch Kit Formats help desk procedure ( Re: HP supported DVD writer for V/A 8.3?( Re: HP supported DVD writer for V/A 8.3?( Re: HP supported DVD writer for V/A 8.3?) Hurd to become HP's chairman of the board - Re: Hurd to become HP's chairman of the board - Re: Hurd to become HP's chairman of the board - Re: Hurd to become HP's chairman of the board - Re: Hurd to become HP's chairman of the board - Re: Hurd to become HP's chairman of the board - Re: Hurd to become HP's chairman of the board P Re: Image Activation and Protections  (was Re: You didn't order the Metallic PeaP Re: Image Activation and Protections  (was Re: You didn't order theMetallic Pea?P Re: Image Activation and Protections (was Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea? Re: MP Synchronization ISSUES  Re: MP Synchronization ISSUES  Re: MP Synchronization ISSUES  Re: MP Synchronization ISSUES  Re: MP Synchronization ISSUES  Re: MP Synchronization ISSUES  Re: MP Synchronization ISSUES  Re: mtools, specifically mcopy Re: mtools, specifically mcopy Re: mtools, specifically mcopy Re: mtools, specifically mcopy Re: mtools, specifically mcopy Re: mtools, specifically mcopy Re: mtools, specifically mcopy Re: mtools, specifically mcopy Re: Personal note - goodbye ! # Re: Reconstructing a DECW$BOOK file # Re: Reconstructing a DECW$BOOK file ! Re: Running vim from remote node. 2 Re: VMS MAIL:  Will it ever join the 21st century?& Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea?& Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea?& Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea?& Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea?& Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea?& Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:52:38 -0400  From: "Jilly" <jilly@hp.com> Subject: Re: add node to DECps, Message-ID: <4506e5d6$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  3 "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> wrote in message  = news:1158077120.759307.225340@e63g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... 2 > How do I add the new nodes to the schedule file? >   / $ ADVISE COLLECT MODIFY CPD newnode,newnode,..     ------------------------------    Date: 12 Sep 2006 14:35:32 -0700' From: "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: add node to DECpsC Message-ID: <1158096932.132512.175120@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Perfect, thanks      Jilly wrote:4 > "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> wrote in message? > news:1158077120.759307.225340@e63g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... 4 > > How do I add the new nodes to the schedule file? > >  > 0 > $ ADVISE COLLECT MODIFY CPD newnode,newnode,..   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:13:08 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> , Subject: Re: All is not well at the HP board< Message-ID: <45073d70$0$24199$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  5 "David Mathog" <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote in message  % news:ee6ndm$ida$1@naig.caltech.edu...  > Ian Miller wrote: ] >> http://news.com.com/Leak+scandal+costs+HPs+Dunn+her+chairmans+job/2100-1014_3-6114655.html  >>
 > Regards, > David Mathog     HP chairwoman Dunn to step down # JORDAN ROBERTSON,  Associated Press         K San Jose, Calif. - Hewlett-Packard Chairwoman Patricia Dunn will step down  E in January and be succeeded by CEO Mark Hurd amid a widening scandal  I involving the computer and printer company's possibly illegal probe into   media leaks.  J Director George Keyworth II, who acknowledged sharing company information J with reporters, resigned from HP's board later Tuesday morning. The board 4 had asked Keyworth to resign in May, but he refused.  M Mr. Hurd will retain his existing positions as chief executive and president  K and Ms. Dunn will remain as a director after she relinquishes the chair on   Jan. 18.  J "I am taking action to ensure that inappropriate investigative techniques J will not be employed again. They have no place in HP," Mr. Hurd said in a  statement Tuesday.  G Ms. Dunn apologized for the tactics used in the company's probe, which  I included "pretexting," in which private investigators impersonated board  7 members and journalists to acquire their phone records.   K "Unfortunately, the investigation, which was conducted with third parties,  E included certain inappropriate techniques. These went beyond what we  J understood them to be, and I apologize that they were employed," Ms. Dunn  said in a statement.  I Shares of the Palo Alto-based Hewlett-Packard Co. rose 56 cents, or more  L than 1.5 per cent, to a 52-week high of $36.92 (U.S.) on the New York Stock 	 Exchange.        ###   L She engineers this shit, will get replaced 4 months from now and then still B remain a director? She must have a lot of dirt on the other execs.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:11:38 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: All is not well at the HP board, Message-ID: <450792F8.8E6D63F2@teksavvy.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: M > She engineers this shit, will get replaced 4 months from now and then still D > remain a director? She must have a lot of dirt on the other execs.  H One possibility is that board bylaws require a certain minimum number ofA board members. Perhaps the departure of Keyworth (the leaker) and F Perkins (the "angry guy") has brought the borad member numbers down toB the limit and the departure of Dunn would require immediate actionC (aka:L extraordinary shareholder meeting or whatever is required to " select replacement board members).  B If Dunn is charged, she may immediatly step dwon from chairmanshipF (instead of waiting till January) but remain on the board until she isL found guilty at which point she automatically goes off the board completely.  H It is also possible that they will not find any evidence that Dunn askedD the investigators to "do whatever it takes, and don't tell me if you@ break the law", at which point, only the investigators and phoneH companies will be charged in the issue pf pre-texting and HP will not beF charged at all, at which point la Dunn can remain on the board forever2 and continue to get her free lunches/travel/perks.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Sep 2006 11:44:05 -0700! From: "Rod" <rregier@dymaxion.ca> & Subject: Re: Auto reboot fails on DS10B Message-ID: <1158086645.483793.279210@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   tadamsmar wrote:@ > I have an Alphaserver DS10 that does not automatically reboot. > G > I get the message "DQA0.0.0.0.13.0 has no media present or is disable F > via RUN/STOP switch" when the system rebooted due to a power outage.  F Newer versions of the controlware for DS10's report on status of CDROM device, . even when it is not being actively referenced.  5 That is probably a red herring in your circumstances.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:38:34 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)1 Subject: Re: Changes to OpenVMS Patch Kit Formats $ Message-ID: <ee6ura$8v6$1@online.de>  E In article <sfGdnVZw8uSKAZ3YnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble  <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   ! > george.pagliarulo@hp.com wrote: C > > Correct.  We will never ship VAX PCSI patch kits.  Sorry Peter.  > >  > > George Pagliarulo  > > ECO Release Process " > > OpenVMS Sustaining Engineering > > Hewlett-Packard Company  > >  > @ > Ah, some good news.  VAX is to be saved from the PCSI madness.  $ There is, of course, PCSI for VAX...   $ product show product< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------5 PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATE < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------9 DEC VAXVMS DCE V3.0                 Full LP     Installed 9 DEC VAXVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.3     Full LP     Installed 9 DEC VAXVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-6           Full LP     Installed 9 DEC VAXVMS FORTRAN V6.6-201         Full LP     Installed 9 DEC VAXVMS RTR V4.2-351             Full LP     Installed 9 DEC VAXVMS TCPIP V5.3-18            Full LP     Installed 9 DEC VAXVMS VMS V7.3                 Transition  Installed 9 DEC VMS NS_NAV_EXPORT V3.3          Full LP     Installed < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------  
 8 items found  $ wso f$getsyi("hw_name") 
 VAX 4000-105A  $   % ...though for full kits, not patches.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2006 00:03:13 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)1 Subject: Re: Changes to OpenVMS Patch Kit Formats , Message-ID: <45074ac1$1@news.langstoeger.at>  w In article <ee6ura$8v6$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: F >In article <sfGdnVZw8uSKAZ3YnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble ><davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   > " >> george.pagliarulo@hp.com wrote:D >> > Correct.  We will never ship VAX PCSI patch kits.  Sorry Peter.  D It expected this of course. But in the case you make OpenVMS VAX V8,! then please change this decision.  >>  A >> Ah, some good news.  VAX is to be saved from the PCSI madness.   H Only in your eyes. I see PCSI as an advantage (think of PRODUCT REMOVE),9 but with a sour taste (think of corrupted PCSI database).   % >There is, of course, PCSI for VAX...   ) Yes. Since many years. And your point is?    >[snip] ' >....though for full kits, not patches.    Ah, there it is, but: C Wrong. The application developer (or product manager) decides this. J And for OpenVMS VAX ECOs the decision was so far not changed towards PCSI.H But for other products (like TCPIP, DECnet-Plus, ...) there are now (andM since many years) ECOs in PCSI available for VAX (again: not for VMS itself). G And PCSI UNDO PATCH (via recovery data) is also still not available for H OpenVMS VAX as it requires a newer PCSI version than in OpenVMS VAX V7.3. (but a VAXPCSIxx_073 could fix this of course)   -EPLAN   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 01:42:17 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 1 Subject: Re: Changes to OpenVMS Patch Kit Formats 9 Message-ID: <P4ydnRjXIMX-BZrYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@libcom.com>     Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:y > In article <ee6ura$8v6$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: H >> In article <sfGdnVZw8uSKAZ3YnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble! >> <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   >># >>> george.pagliarulo@hp.com wrote: D >>>> Correct.  We will never ship VAX PCSI patch kits.  Sorry Peter. > F > It expected this of course. But in the case you make OpenVMS VAX V8,# > then please change this decision. B >>> Ah, some good news.  VAX is to be saved from the PCSI madness. > J > Only in your eyes. I see PCSI as an advantage (think of PRODUCT REMOVE),; > but with a sour taste (think of corrupted PCSI database).   E Well, it's a perspective thing.  I'm used to being more aware of the  D details of such things.  Guess it all started back with RSTS/E V4B, F where we would gen the OS using DOS (the PDP11 DOS, not the MS shit), B and continued through things like VMSINSTAL and such.  Yeah, more 2 handholding, but, I could fix just about anything.  G I'm guessing a corrupt PCSI database is fixable, but, from some recent  7 posts, it appears to be non-trivial, and non-supported.   I So, from my perspective, a potentially corrupt PCSI database isn't worth   the convenience.  B A bit like windows is a nice user interface, but if it presents a H problem, I can get along just fine with a command line interface.  When J DCL is the command line interface, it's even easier to do without the GUI.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Sep 2006 22:16:06 -0700 From: contracer11@gmail.com  Subject: help desk procedureA Message-ID: <1158124566.792611.47050@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   B I'm looking for a VMS command procedure where I can store data and where I can find this 8 data using a search command (like a help desk database).% Is there any procedure already made ?    Thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:35:46 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>1 Subject: Re: HP supported DVD writer for V/A 8.3? ) Message-ID: <op.tfr29wt8tte90l@hyrrokkin>   D On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:35:10 -0700, Rod <rregier@dymaxion.ca> wrote:  G > V/A 8.3 has been released.  I have reviewed the SPD and related Alpha ! > hardware support documentation.  > D > I have been unable to find an HP-supported DVD *writer* for Alphas > running V/A 8.3. > F > (I suspect this an artifact of Alpha qualified hardware support list* > being frozen before the release of 8.3). > H > Can anyone tell me directly or point me at an HP reference source thatB > describes a DVD writer that is supported for OpenVMS/Alpha V8.3? > C > My educated guess is that any IDE DVD+R capable writer will work. I > I'm hoping to try out the  LITEON 8X DVDRW INTERNAL SLIM, SLOT-IN model  > SLW-831-S 8 > as a possible DS10L IDE backup solution under V/A 8.3. > C I can confirm that Plextor 716A works fine with 8.3.  I have Liteon 2 in another node but haven't tried burning with it.  ? http://search.ebay.com/px-716_W0QQfclZ4QQfnuZ1QQfsopZ1QQxpufuZx      --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:43:44 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> 1 Subject: Re: HP supported DVD writer for V/A 8.3? > Message-ID: <AdDNg.18001$r61.10963@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>  J Give it a try. You may well be pleasantly surprised. I've been using a TDKF 880n successfully in my PWS500au - and burning VAX bootable CDs, Alpha5 bootable CDs and Itanium bootable CDs / DVDs with it.   J If you need to firmware update the DVD burner then you'll probably need to8 temporarily lash it into a Windows box to do the damage.   --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk E It's not mine, but I like this definition: Legacy = stuff that works.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:21:07 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>1 Subject: Re: HP supported DVD writer for V/A 8.3? * Message-ID: <450708a6@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  
 Rod wrote:  D > I have been unable to find an HP-supported DVD *writer* for Alphas > running V/A 8.3.  P    The AlphaServer DS10L appears too old to have a DVD option available, having Q gone End Of Life several years ago now.  I've checked the support matrix for the  K box over at the AlphaServer web site, and I see no DVD options for the box.   H > Can anyone tell me directly or point me at an HP reference source thatB > describes a DVD writer that is supported for OpenVMS/Alpha V8.3?  Q    There is no such list, beyond (generally) those devices in the support matrix  L for the platform.  (There are lists of options at the AlphaServer web site, # tailored for each AlphaServer box.)   C > My educated guess is that any IDE DVD+R capable writer will work.   N    My entirely uneducated guess, having worked in this area for several years N now, is that it's a possibility that an arbitrary IDE/ATAPI device will work, Q and it's also a possibility that an arbitrary IDE/ATAPI device won't.  IDE/ATAPI  J devices are way, way, way, way far away from being plug-compatible -- I'm M currently having a real hassle with one (new) drive, while others I've dealt  P with from the same drive vendor and as well as drives from other vendors simply M plug in and work.  (I can't reasonably hope for "standard", and would simply  2 wish that these widgets were but "more standard.")  O    The recording code very deliberately tries to stay with common commands and  Q sequences, and -- to date -- includes no conditionalization for the identity for   the particular target device.   I > I'm hoping to try out the  LITEON 8X DVDRW INTERNAL SLIM, SLOT-IN model B > SLW-831-S as a possible DS10L IDE backup solution under V/A 8.3.  J    I've never seen nor tried that series drive with the OpenVMS recording Q software, and have no familiarity with how close the LITEON might be to what the  , recording software considers to be "normal".  O    As for the situation, there are two choices, depending on how much risk and   effort you will want.   Q    The higher-effort approach: I'd tend to look to re-target one of the slimline  N drives from another AlphaServer series (the GS1280 series uses a slimline) or O from one of the Integrity series systems.  In the interest of full disclosure,  K the mounting kits and rails are COMPLETELY different, and you WILL have to  O perform various hardware re-integration, the old rails may or may not transfer  K over, and the results of the effort MAY or MAY NOT work -- I've seen a few  J widgets that don't "like" the I/O bus controllers.  And as for the effort P involved here, you'll be stripping the drive down to its kernel, and rebuilding ( it using pieces from the existing drive.  P    Or you can contact your HP reseller or HP rep, and ask that an option kit be P made available -- these folks'll likely eventually end up contacting me and the O engineering and testing folks over in the HP AlphaServer engineering team, and  L we can run down the potential options for a supported upgrade that could be 
 available.  P    And as for speeds and feeds, the AlphaServer IDE is comparatively slow.  Few O of the Alpha IDE buses I've encountered in the series can and do run (low-end)  ? DMA, and various of the IDE buses will run (only) at PIO speed.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:55:39 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)2 Subject: Hurd to become HP's chairman of the board$ Message-ID: <ee6vrb$8v6$2@online.de>  4 I'm surprised I haven't seen a post here about this.  D Hurd will become chairman of the board at HP while remaining CEO and president as well.    <    http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2006/060912a.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:17:30 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>6 Subject: Re: Hurd to become HP's chairman of the board) Message-ID: <op.tfr47gx5tte90l@hyrrokkin>   I On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:55:39 -0700, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to  =   . reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:  6 > I'm surprised I haven't seen a post here about this. > F > Hurd will become chairman of the board at HP while remaining CEO and > president as well. > > >    http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2006/060912a.html >   F http://www.eet.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=3D192701297F http://www.eet.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=3D192701105F http://www.eet.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=3D192701356 -- =  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:29:43 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> 6 Subject: Re: Hurd to become HP's chairman of the board+ Message-ID: <ee75bo$msc$1@naig.caltech.edu>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:   F > Hurd will become chairman of the board at HP while remaining CEO and > president as well.    @ Nothing against Hurd but in general it's a poor idea for one guy> to wear all three of those hats.  The board really should have$ picked somebody else to be chairman.   Regards,   David Mathog   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:19:02 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>6 Subject: Re: Hurd to become HP's chairman of the board) Message-ID: <op.tfsdl0fxtte90l@hyrrokkin>   H On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:13:24 -0700, Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>   wrote:   > David Mathog wrote: 2 >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: >>H >>> Hurd will become chairman of the board at HP while remaining CEO and >>> president as well.D >>  Nothing against Hurd but in general it's a poor idea for one guyA >> to wear all three of those hats.  The board really should have ' >> picked somebody else to be chairman.  > I > Tom Perkins would have been a particularly good choice, given what it   : > would have said about HP's alleged commitment to ethics.  K I think I saw in some news report that he had been with HP 50 years.  If so H then that is about when they first when public.  Must ask a friend and   sometimeL golfing buddy, whose first job out of Stanford was with a small investment   firm that took them public.   >  > - bill       --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:13:24 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>6 Subject: Re: Hurd to become HP's chairman of the boardG Message-ID: <VaCdndfAg5CZrJrYnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    David Mathog wrote: 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > G >> Hurd will become chairman of the board at HP while remaining CEO and  >> president as well.  > B > Nothing against Hurd but in general it's a poor idea for one guy@ > to wear all three of those hats.  The board really should have& > picked somebody else to be chairman.  F Tom Perkins would have been a particularly good choice, given what it 8 would have said about HP's alleged commitment to ethics.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:39:34 -0400 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>6 Subject: Re: Hurd to become HP's chairman of the board. Message-ID: <1rINg.37769$_q4.21871@dukeread09>   David Mathog wrote: 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: G >> Hurd will become chairman of the board at HP while remaining CEO and  >> president as well.  > B > Nothing against Hurd but in general it's a poor idea for one guy@ > to wear all three of those hats.  The board really should have& > picked somebody else to be chairman.   I would call it two hats.    Chairman and president.   , One of those two are usually (always ?) CEO.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:52:16 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: Hurd to become HP's chairman of the board+ Message-ID: <4507644D.DFE3CCE@teksavvy.com>    David Mathog wrote: B > Nothing against Hurd but in general it's a poor idea for one guy@ > to wear all three of those hats.  The board really should have& > picked somebody else to be chairman.    B When La Carly was fired, Dunn hired some consultant and one of the? recommendations was that the board didn't have enough corporate H heavyweights.  Hurd isn't exactly of Gerstner's calibre, but he seems toC be well respected and is probably the best the board can offer from  within to fill that seat.   E What I found interesting is that the pictures used today to show Dunn F made her look more mature. The ones used in the past few days made her  look like a 20-something bimbo.    ##C California Attorney General Bill Lockyer said his office has enough F evidence to obtain indictments of people within Hewlett-Packard and ofH hired contractors, after the company disclosed questionable tactics in a boardroom leak investigation.  ##    B Perhaps one reason that they didn't ask Dunn to resign is probablyD because she will need the "protection" of HP lawyers etc while theseG legal proceedings go on.  However, on principle, I think that the board E should have asked Dunn to resign. She has broken the law. The guy who @ leaked info to the media didn't break the law and generated good- publicity for HP, and he was asked to resign.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 06:56:39 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> Y Subject: Re: Image Activation and Protections  (was Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea 1 Message-ID: <ee7dp6$fbd$1@news-02.connect.com.au>   	 Hi Steve,   4 Here is the code for the $audit_eventw crash (again)  L http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1058548  J If you drop the last longword in auth_serv.cob (that's a PIC 9(9) COMP. IfG you have trouble ask John Reagan :-) from the item list and re-(AT) the G command file then just $RUN USER_TEST it should crash after you enter a K Username/Password. As I have said, If it doesn't crash just let me know and K I'll try again on my 7.2-2 box. I don't have crash dumps enabled and as VMS G Crashes are so common these days I usually do a ^P B when it starts its ( memory dump. Bit like Windows really :-(   Regards Richard Maher   9 "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote in message $ news:4506ca4d@usenet01.boi.hp.com... >  > J >    I'm operating one bug back right now.  As for the previous bug around the I > crash in the $audit_event[w] call, I'm going to need that crashdump I'd H > requested earlier.  Please post a pointer to an FTP server where I can pull it,L > or I can provide a pointer to a server where it can be pushed.  (If you'veL > already posted the FTP address under one of these "fortune cookie" subjectI > lines, can you point to which one -- the pointer hasn't shown up yet in  the G > Google Groups searches, which is unfortunately all I have to find the  threads 
 > sometimes.)  > J >    Several of us have been looking at this report, and have reviewed the codeG > within the system service call -- there looks to be more to the local L > environment of this particular $audit_event[w] call around this crash than can L > be replicated locally.  If it's junk at the end of the itemlist, we'd want toG > see what junk -- but as stated, we're currently reviewing the OpenVMS  source code. > " >    And thank you for the report. >  > Richard Maher wrote:$ > > Yet more deviant IA64 behaviour? > > I > > Is it just me, or does a process on IA64 need both Execute *and* Read  accessE > > to a shareable image to be able to simply execute it? NOT LINK OR  LIB$FIS  > > AGAINST IT, just run it. > E >    Image file and directory protections and context and OpenVMS I64  version, please?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:30:53 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: Image Activation and Protections  (was Re: You didn't order theMetallic Pea? * Message-ID: <45070aee@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Dave Froble wrote:  - > What was that claim about "same code base"?   N    Executable images are and always have been architecture-specific, as these O can and do typically contain, among other things, native hardware instructions   for the target platform.  L    This means unique code exists in the linker, image activator, librarian, 3 debugger, and compiler code generators, as a start.   ?    Alpha and VAX also have differences in this area, of course.   Q    As for OpenVMS I64, there was a decision early on during the OpenVMS I64 port  L to use the Intel Itanium calling standards and code generation (eg: elf and P dwarf, the same object and image formats used for Linux and other software that Q runs on Itanium systems) where feasible, and extending it only when specifically  K necessary to get the mechanisms to work like those of the existing OpenVMS  K calling standards.  A decision to not carry forward the traditional object  Q language structures and dependencies and image structures and tools, and to move  J to the platform standards for the structures for Itanium.  AFAIK, the few Q calling standard extensions that ended up being required for/by OpenVMS were fed  Q back out for inclusion into the Intel and third-party tools and widgets, as well.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Sep 2006 13:06:55 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>Y Subject: Re: Image Activation and Protections (was Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea? B Message-ID: <1158091615.200332.267700@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>  V >    Image file and directory protections and context and OpenVMS I64 version, please?  G What I did was change the protection of SYS$SHARE:MAILSHR.EXE from w:RE  to w:E   VMS I64 V8.3 and V8.2-1    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:49:22 -0400  From: "Jilly" <jilly@hp.com>& Subject: Re: MP Synchronization ISSUES* Message-ID: <4506e513@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  9 "BRANDON, JOHN M" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message  + news:06091211331797@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com... ? >I have 2 servers DS20 (2x cpu's) and 1 server ES40 (4x cpu's).  > 7 > All three servers run FOCUS (and various other app's)  > M > I was recently testing the performance of the job-streams on these servers   > and K > found that my MP Synchronization was nominal on the DS20's and extremely   > high > on the ES40. >  > For example, > 10% or less on the DS20  > 100% to 200% on the ES40 > $ > Any reason why the big difference?  G What version of VMS?  Are you current on patches for that version?  If  G V7.3-2 or later please execute SYS$EXAMPLES:SPL.COM during a period of  D elevated MP Synch time and see what spinlock(s) have the most usage.   Jilly    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:55:29 -0500 + From: brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M) & Subject: Re: MP Synchronization ISSUES1 Message-ID: <06091214552903@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   ; > "BRANDON, JOHN M" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message  - > news:06091211331797@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com... A > >I have 2 servers DS20 (2x cpu's) and 1 server ES40 (4x cpu's).  > > 9 > > All three servers run FOCUS (and various other app's)  > > O > > I was recently testing the performance of the job-streams on these servers   > > and M > > found that my MP Synchronization was nominal on the DS20's and extremely   > > high > > on the ES40. > >  > > For example, > > 10% or less on the DS20  > > 100% to 200% on the ES40 > > & > > Any reason why the big difference? > I > What version of VMS?  Are you current on patches for that version?  If  I > V7.3-2 or later please execute SYS$EXAMPLES:SPL.COM during a period of  F > elevated MP Synch time and see what spinlock(s) have the most usage. > Jilly    Guess that would help... V7.2-1                  John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:58:37 -0500 + From: brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M) & Subject: Re: MP Synchronization ISSUES1 Message-ID: <06091214583709@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   I > What version of VMS?  Are you current on patches for that version?  If  I > V7.3-2 or later please execute SYS$EXAMPLES:SPL.COM during a period of  F > elevated MP Synch time and see what spinlock(s) have the most usage. >  > Jilly   < To be more specific... V7.2-1 - all ECO patches are current.  - Can I transfer this code from V7.3-2 to V7.2?     I have access to the OS version.       John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Sep 2006 23:41:29 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Re: MP Synchronization ISSUES, Message-ID: <450745a9$1@news.langstoeger.at>  _ In article <06091214583709@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M) writes: J >> What version of VMS?  Are you current on patches for that version?  If J >> V7.3-2 or later please execute SYS$EXAMPLES:SPL.COM during a period of G >> elevated MP Synch time and see what spinlock(s) have the most usage.  >>  = >To be more specific... V7.2-1 - all ECO patches are current.  > . >Can I transfer this code from V7.3-2 to V7.2?  L Don't think so. SPL.COM only invokes the SPL SDA extension (which is said toM be there since V7.2-1H1) and I don't think you have it, but I may be wrong...   5 Why not trying it (on your test machine of course ;-)    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:49:39 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> & Subject: Re: MP Synchronization ISSUES< Message-ID: <450737ea$0$24207$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  9 "BRANDON, JOHN M" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message  + news:06091214552903@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com... ; >> "BRANDON, JOHN M" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message . >> news:06091211331797@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com...B >> >I have 2 servers DS20 (2x cpu's) and 1 server ES40 (4x cpu's). >> >: >> > All three servers run FOCUS (and various other app's) >> >H >> > I was recently testing the performance of the job-streams on these  >> > servers >> > andD >> > found that my MP Synchronization was nominal on the DS20's and  >> > extremely	 >> > high  >> > on the ES40.  >> > >> > For example,  >> > 10% or less on the DS20 >> > 100% to 200% on the ES40  >> >' >> > Any reason why the big difference?  >>I >> What version of VMS?  Are you current on patches for that version?  If I >> V7.3-2 or later please execute SYS$EXAMPLES:SPL.COM during a period of G >> elevated MP Synch time and see what spinlock(s) have the most usage.  >> Jilly > ! > Guess that would help... V7.2-1  >   I If you're running multiple CPUs you will notice a performance boost when  K only upgrading from 7.3-1 to 7.3-2. Prior to 7.3-2 many internal processes  L erroneously serialized on an internal flag called IOLOCK8 which limited SMP  scalability.. http://www.canacu.org/dantoni-vms732update.pptM On top of that, I remember big performance improvements due to XFC (extended   file cache)   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:20:34 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>& Subject: Re: MP Synchronization ISSUES* Message-ID: <45071691@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   BRANDON, JOHN M wrote:< >> "BRANDON, JOHN M" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message . >> news:06091211331797@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com...B >>> I have 2 servers DS20 (2x cpu's) and 1 server ES40 (4x cpu's). ... O >>> I was recently testing the performance of the job-streams on these servers  Q >>> and found that my MP Synchronization was nominal on the DS20's and extremely   >>> high on the ES40.  >>>  >>> For example, >>> 10% or less on the DS20  >>> 100% to 200% on the ES40 >>> & >>> Any reason why the big difference?  Q    Without some idea of where the multiprocessing synchronization time is going,  N no -- there are any number of interlock structures that could be contributing Q here.  There have been on-going efforts to split up these structures and move to  , finer granularity around various operations.  J >> What version of VMS?  Are you current on patches for that version?  If J >> V7.3-2 or later please execute SYS$EXAMPLES:SPL.COM during a period of G >> elevated MP Synch time and see what spinlock(s) have the most usage. ! > Guess that would help... V7.2-1   
    Clustered?       What sort of I/O device(s)?  Q    What happens when you temporarily drop from 4 CPUs down to 1 or 2?  (STOP/CPU  N your way down, for purposes of testing.)  Do you see a big drop-off in MPSYNC?  P    Are there differences in settings for the working set, for instance, or disk ? contention on the system, or such, between/among these systems?   P    Can you see what are the jobs completing for?  Memory?  Disk?  I/O?  Network?  M    Do you have a disk around (and licenses) where you can try OpenVMS V7.3-2  M with the configuration?  V7.3 saw changes to off-load I/O Lock 8 activity --  M this was one of the major locks on earlier releases.  A number of folks have  Q found that getting to V7.3-1 or V7.3-2 -- or more current -- really helps system  I and application performance.  V7.2-1H1 added spinlock tracing, so you're  M unfortunately below that release, too.  V7.3 adds SDA LCK/RLOCK tracing, too.   .    AMDS can sometimes help spot culprits, too.  H    What I generally end up doing here is looking at what the particular # applications are doing.  In detail.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:26:03 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>& Subject: Re: MP Synchronization ISSUES* Message-ID: <450717d9@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   BRANDON, JOHN M wrote:= >> ...please execute SYS$EXAMPLES:SPL.COM during a period of   >> elevated MP Synch time.../ > Can I transfer this code from V7.3-2 to V7.2?   @    Can you backport the SPL spinlock-tracking code to V7.2?  No.  N    The furthest backwards that this SPL.COM spinlock-tracing tool can "go" is O V7.2-1H1, as that's where the underlying tracing tools were added into OpenVMS  
 and into SDA.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 08:42:55 -0600  From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> ' Subject: Re: mtools, specifically mcopy 3 Message-ID: <1158092009_10753@sp6iad.superfeed.net>    Jeff Campbell wrote:G > Over the weekend I got my PWS600au up and running again. My hobbiest  A > licenses had expired of course 8-) but I had a new set to load.  > E > How to get the license files from an NT box to the 600? No network, B > no serial port access. Both machines have floppies but VMS can'tE > natively utilize M$ FAT formatted diskettes anymore than NT can use  > files-11 formatted diskettes.   ' No network because of expired licenses?   4 Set the date back to a time your licenses were good,5 use the old licenses to copy (ftp) over the new ones, 3 install the new licenses, then set the date back to  the correct value.  8 > I ended up burning a coaster, for 36 KB of text files. > E > So now my question. Is there a VMS port or adaptation 8-) of mcopy, @ > one of the mtools package. If so, where can I find a copy? ForE > those unfamiliar with mtools it is a package for unix or linux that , > provides access to M$ formatted diskettes.  / If you can't get the text licenses copied over, 6 how do you plan on getting the mcopy code copied over?  Q ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:46:17 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ' Subject: Re: mtools, specifically mcopy J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-856D75.22461712092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <1158092009_10753@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, !  Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote:    > 1 > If you can't get the text licenses copied over, 8 > how do you plan on getting the mcopy code copied over? >   E I assume he's simply putting the tools in place for next time around.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:37:06 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ' Subject: Re: mtools, specifically mcopy 9 Message-ID: <tOednd0W6MQ2u5rYnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@libcom.com>    Jeff Campbell wrote:G > Over the weekend I got my PWS600au up and running again. My hobbiest  A > licenses had expired of course 8-) but I had a new set to load.  > E > How to get the license files from an NT box to the 600? No network, B > no serial port access. Both machines have floppies but VMS can'tE > natively utilize M$ FAT formatted diskettes anymore than NT can use  > files-11 formatted diskettes.  > 8 > I ended up burning a coaster, for 36 KB of text files. > E > So now my question. Is there a VMS port or adaptation 8-) of mcopy, @ > one of the mtools package. If so, where can I find a copy? ForE > those unfamiliar with mtools it is a package for unix or linux that , > provides access to M$ formatted diskettes. >  > TIA, >  > Jeff Campbell N8WXS  >  > I > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet   > News==----K > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+   > NewsgroupsM > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----   ) Others have answered the mtools question.   I If you're using a terminal emulator on the windows system, then copy and  L paste should get the text data to the VMS system.  Simplest solution I know.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:32:45 -0600 $ From: Jeff Campbell <n8wxs@arrl.net>' Subject: Re: mtools, specifically mcopy 3 Message-ID: <1158099639_12139@sp6iad.superfeed.net>    Kevin Handy wrote: > Jeff Campbell wrote:H >> Over the weekend I got my PWS600au up and running again. My hobbiest B >> licenses had expired of course 8-) but I had a new set to load. >>F >> How to get the license files from an NT box to the 600? No network,C >> no serial port access. Both machines have floppies but VMS can't F >> natively utilize M$ FAT formatted diskettes anymore than NT can use  >> files-11 formatted diskettes. > ) > No network because of expired licenses?    Correct.   > 6 > Set the date back to a time your licenses were good,7 > use the old licenses to copy (ftp) over the new ones, 5 > install the new licenses, then set the date back to  > the correct value.  D I thought about doing this but it offends my sense of things. In theE movie "Cannon Ball Run" the Italian playboy rips his rear view mirror ? off and exclaims "What is behind me is not important!"  I don't  live in the past. 8-)    > 9 >> I ended up burning a coaster, for 36 KB of text files.  >>F >> So now my question. Is there a VMS port or adaptation 8-) of mcopy,A >> one of the mtools package. If so, where can I find a copy? For F >> those unfamiliar with mtools it is a package for unix or linux that- >> provides access to M$ formatted diskettes.  > 1 > If you can't get the text licenses copied over, 8 > how do you plan on getting the mcopy code copied over?  F As I wrote above, I made a CD and used it to copy the 2 license files.   > I > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet   > News==----K > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+   > NewsgroupsM > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    Jeff Campbell N8WXS   Q ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:33:59 -0600 $ From: Jeff Campbell <n8wxs@arrl.net>' Subject: Re: mtools, specifically mcopy 3 Message-ID: <1158099712_12141@sp6iad.superfeed.net>    Paul Sture wrote: 5 > In article <1158092009_10753@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, # >  Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> wrote:  > 2 >> If you can't get the text licenses copied over,9 >> how do you plan on getting the mcopy code copied over?  >> > G > I assume he's simply putting the tools in place for next time around.  >  Yes, I am planning ahead!  8-)   Jeff Campbell N8WXS   Q ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:50:28 -0600 $ From: Jeff Campbell <n8wxs@arrl.net>' Subject: Re: mtools, specifically mcopy 3 Message-ID: <1158100702_12213@sp6iad.superfeed.net>    Dave Froble wrote: > Jeff Campbell wrote:H >> Over the weekend I got my PWS600au up and running again. My hobbiest B >> licenses had expired of course 8-) but I had a new set to load. >>F >> How to get the license files from an NT box to the 600? No network,C >> no serial port access. Both machines have floppies but VMS can't F >> natively utilize M$ FAT formatted diskettes anymore than NT can use  >> files-11 formatted diskettes. >>9 >> I ended up burning a coaster, for 36 KB of text files.  >>F >> So now my question. Is there a VMS port or adaptation 8-) of mcopy,A >> one of the mtools package. If so, where can I find a copy? For F >> those unfamiliar with mtools it is a package for unix or linux that- >> provides access to M$ formatted diskettes.  >> >> TIA,  >> >> Jeff Campbell N8WXS >> >>J >> ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet 
 >> News==---- C >> http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!   >> 120,000+ NewsgroupsI >> ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption   >> =---- > + > Others have answered the mtools question.  > K > If you're using a terminal emulator on the windows system, then copy and  I > paste should get the text data to the VMS system.  Simplest solution I   > know.  >   G The problem is, with no licenses active, the only access is through the B console port. I didn't have a null modem cable available, so I wasA unable to >>> SET CONSOLE SERIAL and use the serial console port. F Once I had VMS running on the serial console, I assume I would be ableC to set the terminal type to VT100 and then EDIT/EDT a file and have ) hyperterm send the license file contents.   C With no licenses active there is no network and no DEC$WINDOWS. So, # nowhere to copy and paste into. 8-)    Jeff Campbell N8WXS       Q ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:11:45 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ' Subject: Re: mtools, specifically mcopy J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-F1C1E5.03114513092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <1158100702_12213@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, &  Jeff Campbell <n8wxs@arrl.net> wrote:   > I > The problem is, with no licenses active, the only access is through the D > console port. I didn't have a null modem cable available, so I wasC > unable to >>> SET CONSOLE SERIAL and use the serial console port. H > Once I had VMS running on the serial console, I assume I would be ableE > to set the terminal type to VT100 and then EDIT/EDT a file and have + > hyperterm send the license file contents.  >   I I've got enough cables available, but Macs don't come with a serial port  > anymore (do PCs still?), I too took the route of burning a CD.  I Beware that loading the Hobbyist licenses via the serial console port is  I _painfully_ slow, and for edits in console mode you are better off using   EDIT in line mode.  B It's best to just select the ones you need to get the network and ) DECwindows going, then transfer the rest.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 02:57:55 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) ' Subject: Re: mtools, specifically mcopy [ Message-ID: <rdeininger-1209062257540001@dialup-4.233.173.181.dial1.manchester1.level3.net>   A In article <1158100702_12213@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, Jeff Campbell  <n8wxs@arrl.net> wrote:     H >The problem is, with no licenses active, the only access is through theC >console port. I didn't have a null modem cable available, so I was B >unable to >>> SET CONSOLE SERIAL and use the serial console port.G >Once I had VMS running on the serial console, I assume I would be able D >to set the terminal type to VT100 and then EDIT/EDT a file and have* >hyperterm send the license file contents. > D >With no licenses active there is no network and no DEC$WINDOWS. So,$ >nowhere to copy and paste into. 8-) >  >Jeff Campbell N8WXS  G You could simply type a couple of licenses at the console.  I believe 1 F VMS PAK and 1 network PAK would suffice.  You certainly don't need the7 whole command file to enable a simple network transfer.   F If typing is technology too advanced, you could hire a typist with the necessary skills.    :-)   , Sometimes low-tech solutions work just fine.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2006 06:25:19 +01002 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>& Subject: Re: Personal note - goodbye !? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-4EdMyYU2NugQ@dave2_os2.home.ours>   . On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:52:38 UTC, "Guy Peleg" , <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com> wrote:   > Dear community,  > L > I wanted to let you know that I have decided to leave HP (I chose to leave > onK > my own). I have been part of DEC/CPQ/HP for almost 10 years, 6 of them in  > VMS engineering. > I > I want to thank this forum for all the feedback provided to me over the  > years.J > Look at recent VMS releases (V8.2 and upcoming V8.3) and I'm sure you'llH > be able to see the tremendous impact this forum had (especially in the > utilities  > area).   Guy D         just got back from holiday. All the best in the new job and $ thanks for all your efforts with DCL   --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:35:02 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>, Subject: Re: Reconstructing a DECW$BOOK file* Message-ID: <4506d3a3@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Martin Vorlaender wrote: > JF Mezei schrieb: = >> The VMS web site contains a link to a DECW$BOOK (the FAQ). 1 >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/faq/vmsfaq.decw$book  >>F >> The HP webserver, oblivious to VMS file formats, serves the file asJ >> application/octet-stream. MOSAIC righfully saves it as a binary file in- >> the common 512 fixed record length format.   Q    See the FAQ for details on providing hints around binary and image files, and  P the HTML tags that can potentially be utilized.  That written, this is very far O from the first time that an errant download has corrupted the file attributes,  O and this is the reason that I specifically provide a zipped archive containing   the various files of the FAQ.   I >> BOOKREADER of course expects variable length records with no RAT=none.   Q    Serving a Bookreader-format file via the web is a rather useless thing for me  P to do, isn't it?  It clearly doesn't download, there are no plug-ins available, L and it's only accessible in an increasingly limited environment.  I've been O tempted to remove it from the FAQ build environment entirely, but inertia is a  O powerful force.  (I also do need to figure out how to generate a PDF file from  K what sources I have, a DVI to PDF converter or yet another port of the FAQ  O source -- this time over to docbook or such.  Right now, any PDF that might be  T available is a manual step that generally occurs downstream of the main production.)  0 > When I download the "omnibus zip archive" from+ > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/faq/faq_all.zip  > and unpack it on VMS, I get:  I > So the ZIP file seems to have been generated on a VMS system with "-V".   Q    That is correct; "-V" was used.  Further, the command procedure used to build  P the FAQ also generates both VFC and Stream LF files for several of the FAQ file G formats, too, so that the folks posting the FAQ materials can have the  P appropriate file formats for the target environment, without all the "fun" of a Q file conversion.  There should be savesets containing these variant file formats   in the omnibus zip.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:43:24 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Reconstructing a DECW$BOOK file, Message-ID: <4507623A.D3CB17B7@teksavvy.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: R >    See the FAQ for details on providing hints around binary and image files, andQ > the HTML tags that can potentially be utilized.  That written, this is very far P > from the first time that an errant download has corrupted the file attributes,  A In this case, I *suspect* that the person who downloaded from the C original VMS host to the  VMS web site actually damaged the file by P downloading it as a text file. So it isn't a question of just fixing attributes.  P > and this is the reason that I specifically provide a zipped archive containing > the various files of the FAQ.   E Yeah, but if you just want the bookreader file, the unzipping process % can be lengthy and take up more time.   G How often is the FAQ updated ? Perhaps it is better to download the zip H and hold on to the FAq locally and perhaps update it at roughly the same interval you updated it ?   R >    Serving a Bookreader-format file via the web is a rather useless thing for me  G For you it may be. But there are many for whom it is convenient. MOSAIC D on VMS goes to the VMS web site, and you can right click to save theG bookreaderfile on the VMS system directly. (and perhaps just need to do - a SET FILE/ATTRIB to make it variable length)   B > and it's only accessible in an increasingly limited environment.  G When you consider the target population of mostly hobbyists, the target F is still largely very capable of handling bookreader files better than bulky HTML crap.  C Now, the day you can get the official Adope PDF reader onto all VMS H platforms, complete with ability to handle bookmarks, then you can ditchD bookreader. Until that happens, the need to access VMS documentationF intelligently remains and only bookreader can do that (becauise of its index (aka PDF bookmarks).   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Sep 2006 13:14:34 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>* Subject: Re: Running vim from remote node.C Message-ID: <1158092074.560933.108910@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    most recent vim is at  http://polarhome.com/vim   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:52:31 -0400 ) From: Stephen Eickhoff <operagost@og.com> ; Subject: Re: VMS MAIL:  Will it ever join the 21st century? 6 Message-ID: <45078069$0$34082$815e3792@news.qwest.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Stephen Eickhoff wrote: - >> What exactly are HP's plans for VMS Mail?   >  > D > Consider Hoff's recent suggestiosn we start using Mozilla or other( > clients instead of VMS based clients.   L I was talking about servers, not clients.  I _am_ trying to use the Mozilla  Thunderbird client with VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:00:26 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> / Subject: Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea? 9 Message-ID: <WO-dnSe6tYJ-bpvYnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Ian Miller wrote: > > A further test on VMS I64 V8.2-1 reveals the same behaviour. >    A bit too terse.  > Same behavior as on Alpha 8.2, or same behavior as itanic 8.3?  + What was that claim about "same code base"?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:52:32 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> / Subject: Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea? J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-AD017E.20523112092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  9 In article <WO-dnSe6tYJ-bpvYnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@libcom.com>, )  Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:    > Ian Miller wrote: @ > > A further test on VMS I64 V8.2-1 reveals the same behaviour. > >  >  > A bit too terse. > @ > Same behavior as on Alpha 8.2, or same behavior as itanic 8.3? >    I64 == Itanium   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Sep 2006 13:11:02 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>/ Subject: Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea? A Message-ID: <1158091862.387799.8670@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   E VMS I64 V8.2-1 had same behavour as VMS I64 V8.3 as reported earlier.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Sep 2006 14:58:08 -0500. From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks)/ Subject: Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea? , Message-ID: <b2lutHqlXRQp@cuebid.zko.hp.com>  ) Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > Ian Miller wrote: ? >> A further test on VMS I64 V8.2-1 reveals the same behaviour.  > A bit too terse. > @ > Same behavior as on Alpha 8.2, or same behavior as itanic 8.3? > - > What was that claim about "same code base"?   J I think that we've been quite clear about the fact that virtually anythingF to do with objects and images isn't common code, given the differencesH between ELF/DWARF and the VAX object format (the format used on Alpha isP an extension of the VAX format).  This includes image activation, installation,  debugging, etc . . .   --    H Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:00:21 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> / Subject: Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea? 9 Message-ID: <wIWdnVagQKCi1ZrYnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Paul Sture wrote: ; > In article <WO-dnSe6tYJ-bpvYnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@libcom.com>, + >  Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  >  >> Ian Miller wrote:@ >>> A further test on VMS I64 V8.2-1 reveals the same behaviour. >>>  >> A bit too terse.  >>A >> Same behavior as on Alpha 8.2, or same behavior as itanic 8.3?  >> >  > I64 == Itanium >   G Yeah.  The original post was about I64 V8.3.  Then Ian first mentioned  G testing on Alpha 8.2 without the problem, and then without quoting the  E prior post(s) mentions I64 V8.2-1 reveals the same behavior.  It was  C totally ambiguous which of the first 2 that I64 V8.2-1 had similar  F behavior with.  He's since confirmed that both versions on the itanic ) have the problem, and Alpha V8.2 doesn't.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:53:48 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> / Subject: Re: You didn't order the Metallic Pea? 9 Message-ID: <L62dnWUFUYYo25rYnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Ian Miller wrote: G > VMS I64 V8.2-1 had same behavour as VMS I64 V8.3 as reported earlier.  >   H So Alpha and itanic are different.  Gotta ask how, given the claims for F a common code base.  Makes one wonder what else is going to rear it's 
 ugly head.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.502 ************************