1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 16 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 509       Contents: A message to Kerry Main  Re: A message to Kerry Main  Re: A message to Kerry Main $ Availability Manager over WAN Survey3 Re: Bugcheck 3C4 Alpha 7.2-2 $audit_event User Mode A Re: Debugging image invoked by SYMBIONT via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL : Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 060 Re: Inquirer on VMS support outsourcing to IndiaP Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever join the 21st cP Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever join the 21st cP Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever join the 21st c Re: Selling DS20e  Re: SYS$LANGUAGE Re: SYS$LANGUAGE Re: SYS$LANGUAGE Re: SYS$LANGUAGE Re: SYS$LANGUAGE Re: SYS$LANGUAGE" Re: System won't self-test or boot" Re: System won't self-test or boot  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:53:12 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   Subject: A message to Kerry Main, Message-ID: <450BAD4D.CFA72876@teksavvy.com>  @ IBM has TV adverts for what is essentially server consolidation.  A It features blades based on the 8086 (Xeon). Not Power, Not IA64.   F If you have a gazillion instances of Windows on 8086, you're not goingG to be moving to that IA64 thing, nor to Sparc or Power. IBM understands Q that and this is why it advertises 8086 based solutions for server consolidation.   E Now, if you can pitch VMS as a solution that is easier to manage than H Windows, then the best approach would be to have VMS on the 8086 so that< customers could use existing servers to load VMS on and thenF progressively move apps from individual Windows instances over to VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:01:18 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> $ Subject: Re: A message to Kerry Main9 Message-ID: <6redndzeQZNngJHYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote: B > IBM has TV adverts for what is essentially server consolidation. > C > It features blades based on the 8086 (Xeon). Not Power, Not IA64.  > H > If you have a gazillion instances of Windows on 8086, you're not goingI > to be moving to that IA64 thing, nor to Sparc or Power. IBM understands S > that and this is why it advertises 8086 based solutions for server consolidation.  > G > Now, if you can pitch VMS as a solution that is easier to manage than J > Windows, then the best approach would be to have VMS on the 8086 so that> > customers could use existing servers to load VMS on and thenH > progressively move apps from individual Windows instances over to VMS.  E Nice try JF, but I'm aware of customers who are committed to running  E windoz no matter what issues/problems they face.  They just will not   consider anything else.   D Perhaps IBM also realizes this and says "fine, we'll still go after 
 their money".    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:38:26 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)$ Subject: Re: A message to Kerry Main$ Message-ID: <eehcqi$6dv$3@online.de>  E In article <6redndzeQZNngJHYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble  <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   F > Perhaps IBM also realizes this and says "fine, we'll still go after  > their money".   G IIRC, there is the story that Compaq bid a Tandem-based solution for a  G company in Singapore.  They lost the bid to IBM, who offered something  . cheaper---an ALPHA-based solution running VMS.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2006 09:54:18 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>- Subject: Availability Manager over WAN Survey C Message-ID: <1158425658.154328.251090@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D The hp Availability Manager Team is working on supporting the use of= Availability Manager over a WAN and would like some feedback.   C Using Availability Manager over a WAN is a long requested feature - 4 take this oppourtunity to let hp know what you want.  4 Visit http://www.openvms.org and fill in the survey.   @ This survey will be available from Sept 15th to Sept 29th, 2006.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:57:03 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> < Subject: Re: Bugcheck 3C4 Alpha 7.2-2 $audit_event User ModeI Message-ID: <8660a3a10609160657l7cb83963w6362a0f8f39f65fb@mail.gmail.com>   = On 7 Sep 2006 06:46:48 -0700, Ian Miller <ijm@uk2.net> wrote:  > but thats COBOL isn't it? I > I've successfully avoided COBOL all my life and I am not going anywhere F > near it now. I don't even know what COBOL looks like or how to spell9 > COBOL (the last few words obviously written by someone)  >  > :-)  >  >   E I recall getting into an argument with my systems analysis and design    --  $ Ajilon Consulting - site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:05:57 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>J Subject: Re: Debugging image invoked by SYMBIONT via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL* Message-ID: <450af99f@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  
 jls wrote:  5 > This is a well-known "side-effect" in RMS handling. F > You get the same thing if  you do a VMSINSTAL of software and chooseF > to "purge files after the installation".  Even images installed willF > get purged, however often some processes maintain links to the older
 > version. > @ > While the older version's disk blocks remain intact (i.e., not< > re-allocated to another file), things continue hunky-dory. > H > I once had DCLTABLES.EXE in a VMScluster purged without a reboot. UserH > logins began to ACCVIO once the older dcltables.exe file's disk blocks! > got re-allocated to a new file.     N    That was fixed eons ago.  Such files are now held open, and the blocks are M not re-used until either image rundown or image de-installation or -- if the  Q system crashes hard before the requisite file clean-up can be performed -- until  O a subsequent ANALYZE/IMAGE/REPAIR is performed.  This is one of the sources of  0 "files marked for delete", if you've seen those.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:11:54 -0700 0 From: glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 : Message-ID: <iMednZp4BZLACJbYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@comcast.com>   islandco wrote:   J > 7th Email to dturner@icusc.com gets a free Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz with  > 30GB IDE disk and 256MB memory > K > Shipping is not included: USA $30 Europe and the rest of the world please  > call or email me ! >  >   > This offer ends 4:20 EST Today  + Darn, too late by the time I read about it.    -- glen    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Sep 2006 12:27:23 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 + Message-ID: <4n28tbF8c59sU1@individual.net>   : In article <iMednZp4BZLACJbYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@comcast.com>,3 	glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:  > islandco wrote:  > K >> 7th Email to dturner@icusc.com gets a free Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz with ! >> 30GB IDE disk and 256MB memory  >>  L >> Shipping is not included: USA $30 Europe and the rest of the world please >> call or email me !  >>   >>  ! >> This offer ends 4:20 EST Today  > - > Darn, too late by the time I read about it.  >   ? Yeah, me too.  This medium was not designed for fast reactions.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:01:34 -0400 - From: bradhamilton <bradhamilton@comcast.net> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 * Message-ID: <450BF5AE.2040404@comcast.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:< > In article <iMednZp4BZLACJbYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@comcast.com>,5 > 	glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:  >> islandco wrote: >>L >>> 7th Email to dturner@icusc.com gets a free Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz with" >>> 30GB IDE disk and 256MB memory >>> M >>> Shipping is not included: USA $30 Europe and the rest of the world please  >>> call or email me ! >>>  >>> " >>> This offer ends 4:20 EST Today. >> Darn, too late by the time I read about it. >> > A > Yeah, me too.  This medium was not designed for fast reactions.  >  > bill >   E Well, when I inquired (via e-mail) who the lucky winner was, I got a  7 bounce-back, stating that the e-mail address was "bad":   0 > The following addresses had delivery problems: >  > <dturner@icusc.com> 4 > 	Permanent Failure: Bad destination system address= > 	Delivery last attempted at Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:07:09 -0000    Perhaps no one won!    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 06:07:53 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 ) Message-ID: <op.tfy2rfrntte90l@hyrrokkin>   9 On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 23:11:54 -0700, glen herrmannsfeldt    <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:    > islandco wrote:  > K >> 7th Email to dturner@icusc.com gets a free Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz with ! >> 30GB IDE disk and 256MB memory H >>  Shipping is not included: USA $30 Europe and the rest of the world  	 >> please  >> call or email me ! # >>   This offer ends 4:20 EST Today  > - > Darn, too late by the time I read about it.  > 	 > -- glen  > F Yes,  think we should protest the inadequate notice given and that the contest be restarted :-)     --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:24:19 -0400 3 From: "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 6 Message-ID: <128101c6d993$6c326620$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>   ----- Original Message -----  / From: "bradhamilton" <bradhamilton@comcast.net>  To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> * Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:01 AMC Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06      > Bill Gunshannon wrote:= >> In article <iMednZp4BZLACJbYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@comcast.com>, 5 >> glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:  >>> islandco wrote:  >>> I >>>> 7th Email to dturner@icusc.com gets a free Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz  	 >>>> with # >>>> 30GB IDE disk and 256MB memory  >>>>H >>>> Shipping is not included: USA $30 Europe and the rest of the world  >>>> please  >>>> call or email me !  >>>> >>>># >>>> This offer ends 4:20 EST Today / >>> Darn, too late by the time I read about it.  >>>  >>B >> Yeah, me too.  This medium was not designed for fast reactions. >> >> bill  >> > G > Well, when I inquired (via e-mail) who the lucky winner was, I got a  9 > bounce-back, stating that the e-mail address was "bad":  > 1 >> The following addresses had delivery problems:  >> >> <dturner@icusc.com>4 >> Permanent Failure: Bad destination system address= >> Delivery last attempted at Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:07:09 -0000  >  > Perhaps no one won!   M I had the same thing when I replied at 16:15, I figured he was being flooded  & with email and turned off the account.   Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca - CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP Reflection PreciseMail    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:55:35 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-0CE519.16553516092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  * In article <450BF5AE.2040404@comcast.net>,/  bradhamilton <bradhamilton@comcast.net> wrote:    > Bill Gunshannon wrote:> > > In article <iMednZp4BZLACJbYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@comcast.com>,7 > > 	glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:  > >> islandco wrote: > >>N > >>> 7th Email to dturner@icusc.com gets a free Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz with$ > >>> 30GB IDE disk and 256MB memory > >>> O > >>> Shipping is not included: USA $30 Europe and the rest of the world please  > >>> call or email me ! > >>>  > >>> $ > >>> This offer ends 4:20 EST Today0 > >> Darn, too late by the time I read about it. > >> > > C > > Yeah, me too.  This medium was not designed for fast reactions.  > >  > > bill > >  > G > Well, when I inquired (via e-mail) who the lucky winner was, I got a  9 > bounce-back, stating that the e-mail address was "bad":   E I got confused by the timezone and bashed my email off a little late.   % 4 hours later I got this from my ISP:     2     **********************************************2     **      THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY      **2     **  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE  **2     **********************************************  D The original message was received at Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:29:18 +0200   <rats -  00:09:18 late!>  ,    ----- Transcript of session follows -----; <dturner@icusc.com>... Deferred: Connection timed out with   hermes.icusc.com. 0 Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours- Will keep trying until message is 5 days old"    -----   I Does this mean that the system will keep re-entering me automatically to  ( the competition until it can arrive? :-)   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:10:03 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 I Message-ID: <8660a3a10609160810n1ddf33d4w8f4a28bd6df80984@mail.gmail.com>   < On 9/16/06, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:, > In article <450BF5AE.2040404@comcast.net>,1 >  bradhamilton <bradhamilton@comcast.net> wrote:  >  > > Bill Gunshannon wrote:@ > > > In article <iMednZp4BZLACJbYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@comcast.com>,< > > >     glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes: > > >> islandco wrote: > > >>P > > >>> 7th Email to dturner@icusc.com gets a free Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz with& > > >>> 30GB IDE disk and 256MB memory > > >>> Q > > >>> Shipping is not included: USA $30 Europe and the rest of the world please  > > >>> call or email me ! > > >>>  > > >>> & > > >>> This offer ends 4:20 EST Today2 > > >> Darn, too late by the time I read about it. > > >> > > > E > > > Yeah, me too.  This medium was not designed for fast reactions.  > > > 
 > > > bill > > >  > > H > > Well, when I inquired (via e-mail) who the lucky winner was, I got a; > > bounce-back, stating that the e-mail address was "bad":  > G > I got confused by the timezone and bashed my email off a little late.  > ' > 4 hours later I got this from my ISP:  >  > 4 >     **********************************************4 >     **      THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY      **4 >     **  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE  **4 >     ********************************************** > F > The original message was received at Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:29:18 +0200 >  > <rats -  00:09:18 late!> > . >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----< > <dturner@icusc.com>... Deferred: Connection timed out with > hermes.icusc.com. 2 > Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours/ > Will keep trying until message is 5 days old"  >  > -----  > J > Does this mean that the system will keep re-entering me automatically to* > the competition until it can arrive? :-) >  > -- > Paul Sture >   < You might be entry #7. . . and #63 . . . and #147 . . . etc.   : - )    WWWebb --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:47:12 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 ) Message-ID: <op.tfy94yfhtte90l@hyrrokkin>   2 On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:10:03 -0700, William Webb  ! <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote:   > > On 9/16/06, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:- >> In article <450BF5AE.2040404@comcast.net>, 2 >>  bradhamilton <bradhamilton@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> > Bill Gunshannon wrote: A >> > > In article <iMednZp4BZLACJbYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@comcast.com>, = >> > >     glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:  >> > >> islandco wrote:  >> > >> G >> > >>> 7th Email to dturner@icusc.com gets a free Alphaserver DS10L    >> 466Mhz with' >> > >>> 30GB IDE disk and 256MB memory  >> > >>>G >> > >>> Shipping is not included: USA $30 Europe and the rest of the    >> world please  >> > >>> call or email me !  >> > >>> >> > >>>' >> > >>> This offer ends 4:20 EST Today 3 >> > >> Darn, too late by the time I read about it.  >> > >>  >> > >F >> > > Yeah, me too.  This medium was not designed for fast reactions. >> > > >> > > bill  >> > > >> >I >> > Well, when I inquired (via e-mail) who the lucky winner was, I got a < >> > bounce-back, stating that the e-mail address was "bad": >>H >> I got confused by the timezone and bashed my email off a little late. >>( >> 4 hours later I got this from my ISP: >> >>5 >>     ********************************************** 5 >>     **      THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY      ** 5 >>     **  YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE  ** 5 >>     **********************************************  >>G >> The original message was received at Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:29:18 +0200  >> >> <rats -  00:09:18 late!>  >>/ >>    ----- Transcript of session follows ----- = >> <dturner@icusc.com>... Deferred: Connection timed out with  >> hermes.icusc.com.3 >> Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours 0 >> Will keep trying until message is 5 days old" >> >> ----- >>K >> Does this mean that the system will keep re-entering me automatically to + >> the competition until it can arrive? :-)  >> >> -- 
 >> Paul Sture  >> > > > You might be entry #7. . . and #63 . . . and #147 . . . etc. >  > : - )  > " Do they have to be multiples of 7?   > WWWebb       --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2006 19:10:07 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 , Message-ID: <450c4c0f$1@news.langstoeger.at>  m In article <iMednZp4BZLACJbYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@comcast.com>, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> writes:  >islandco wrote: > K >> 7th Email to dturner@icusc.com gets a free Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz with ! >> 30GB IDE disk and 256MB memory  >>  L >> Shipping is not included: USA $30 Europe and the rest of the world please >> call or email me !  >>   >>  ! >> This offer ends 4:20 EST Today  > , >Darn, too late by the time I read about it.  ? I still haven't got the original posting, only 5 answers so far    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:59:08 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 9 Subject: Re: Inquirer on VMS support outsourcing to India J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-9B5AB6.09590816092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  : In article <aIednR19QJSO0pbYnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast.com>,5  "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:    > Bob Koehler wrote: > K > > In article <QvydneljGrdX95TYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com>, "Richard B.  - > > Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:  > > L > >>Isn't thirteen years enough?  And, of course, Compaq and HP after that.  > >  > >  > >    Newbie.  8-)  > >  > 7 > That's thirteen years of ***DEC*** software support!!  > . > Add another six for Compaq and HP "support"! > G > I got three copies of the "Green Card" spam on my VAX/VMS mail!  (It  ) > wasn't quite the first spam but. . . .)  > 
 > Newbie!!   Nah. You're still a newbie.    :-/    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 06:17:03 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>Y Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever join the 21st c ) Message-ID: <op.tfy26pemtte90l@hyrrokkin>   H On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:26:09 -0700, Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote:  >>>> > bradhamilton wrote:J >>>> >> I've asked before, but I'll ask again - will Firefox/Thunderbird   >>>> replace% >>>> >> Mozilla on VMS in the future?  > J >> What is the point?  VMS is better suited as the web server, there are  	 >> plenty  >> of good clients out there > : > I would say that the web browser situation is much worse' > than the web server situation on VMS.  >  > Web Browsers: # >    0/3 mainstream (IE, FF, Opera) ! >    1 alternative available: Moz  >  > Web Servers:! >    1/2 mainstream (Apache, IIS) ( >    2 alternatives available: OSU, WASD  . I don't understand your metric,  0/3 and 1/2 ? > 5 > If you mean commercially, then I don't think either  > matters much.   
 Don't follow.  >  > Arne       --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:36:09 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>Y Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever join the 21st c ) Message-ID: <op.tfze6jjttte90l@hyrrokkin>   H On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:28:56 -0700, Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote: K >> On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:26:09 -0700, Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote: < >>> I would say that the web browser situation is much worse) >>> than the web server situation on VMS.  >>>  >>> Web Browsers: % >>>    0/3 mainstream (IE, FF, Opera) # >>>    1 alternative available: Moz  >>>  >>> Web Servers:# >>>    1/2 mainstream (Apache, IIS) * >>>    2 alternatives available: OSU, WASD2 >>  I don't understand your metric,  0/3 and 1/2 ? > ! > 0 out of 3 mainstream browsers.  > $ > 1 out of 2 mainstream web servers. > 7 >>> If you mean commercially, then I don't think either  >>> matters much.  > < > I doubt that the availability of web browser or web server0 > will have any significant impact on VMS sales. >  > Arne  C certainly not browser, what I had meant was browsers on Win and Mac I and Linux.  Servers maybe.  Look what IBM has done with zos to web enable  legacy apps.     --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:28:56 -0400 7 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Y Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever join the 21st c , Message-ID: <UKUOg.38017$_q4.718@dukeread09>   Tom Linden wrote: J > On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:26:09 -0700, Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:; >> I would say that the web browser situation is much worse ( >> than the web server situation on VMS. >> >> Web Browsers:$ >>    0/3 mainstream (IE, FF, Opera)" >>    1 alternative available: Moz >> >> Web Servers: " >>    1/2 mainstream (Apache, IIS)) >>    2 alternatives available: OSU, WASD  > 0 > I don't understand your metric,  0/3 and 1/2 ?   0 out of 3 mainstream browsers.   " 1 out of 2 mainstream web servers.  6 >> If you mean commercially, then I don't think either >> matters much.  : I doubt that the availability of web browser or web server. will have any significant impact on VMS sales.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:41:04 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Selling DS20eH Message-ID: <8660a3a10609160741j6808a51x87132ce0d7dcd1bb@mail.gmail.com>  / On 9/14/06, islandco <dturner@icusc.com> wrote: 8 > We have some DS20e Systems incoming at special pricing; > This is just for VMS users and will not be on our website  >  > > > Alphaserver DS20e 667Mhz with Low profile CDROM/Floppy Combo > Dual 667Mhz CPU  > 2GB Compaq Memory  > 6 Slot Disk Cage > On Board U2 SCSI > 2 x 36GB 10KRPM Disk
 > No Licenses  >  > $5000  >  > $ > These make excellent DR machines ! >  >  >  >  > -- >  > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 > Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  > Fax: 912 201 0402  > Email: dbturner@islandco.com > Web: http://www.islandco.com' > ===================================== > > All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions0 > of sale. These should be read before ordering.' > http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html  >  >  >    DR machines?  Ha!   * I think they'd make fine hobbyist systems!   WWWebb   --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 08:43:08 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: SYS$LANGUAGE < Message-ID: <450befa8$0$24212$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  5 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message * news:12gm5pni6060t84@corp.supernews.com... > @ > "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote in message2 > news:011901c6d75b$b95fb1d0$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX...  >> ----- Original Message ----- - >> From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>  >> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>/ >> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:30 AM  >> Subject: Re: SYS$LANGUAGE >>   >  > Hi >  > Thanks to all for the tips. I > I might want to try CANADIAN at a later time to see if it's any better.  > K > For the time being I had the programmer change his 300 programs (globally I > with my search_replace.com) to use another logical name instead. He was " > happy that was not much trouble.H > I will not change SYS$LANGUAGE for the users, it may lead to different) > problems that I don't want to get into.  > ! > Have a nice weekend everybody !  > 	 > Syltrem  >   A You've made the correct decision in moving your attentions to the  application.  J I'm currently adding French support to some programs originally written inI English. Although there are tempting reasons to want to do this at the OS I level, it makes more sense to do this at the application level as soon as H you consider the need to support  to support more than one language at aK time (so make it user selectable; save the choice in a cookie if a web app)        ###   I A Quebec labor law (still?) exists which basically states "as soon as you K turn up a software solution in English you are then obligated to add French L support within 52 weeks" (this is at the application level, not the OS). I'mI not sure if there is any obligation to add English to French applications L but any programmer crossing this threshold once will usually prepare for the inevitable.   / Here are some choices I've seen or heard about:   K 1) having multiple versions of the software with all the strings translated H into the desired language (you would not believe the number of companiesI doing this; has to be a make-work project for the software industry; when A fixing bugs the multiple versions almost always slip out of sync)   D 2) hard code each string for two (using IF/THEN/ELSE) or more (usingJ SELECT/CASE) languages. (this seems like a good idea but will only work onI small progams; when programs grow hunting down bugs will become much more 
 difficult)  K 3) load the desired language strings into an array before the program runs. B You need to make sure the array subscripts in your source code are descriptive. eg:   print #0, L$(k_choice);    input #0, choice$   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:42:24 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> Subject: Re: SYS$LANGUAGE 0 Message-ID: <12gnu3o9qpnifd8@corp.supernews.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: 7 > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message , > news:12gm5pni6060t84@corp.supernews.com... > @ >>"Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote in message2 >>news:011901c6d75b$b95fb1d0$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX... >>  >>>----- Original Message ----- - >>>From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>  >>>To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>/ >>>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:30 AM  >>>Subject: Re: SYS$LANGUAGE >>>  >  >  >>Hi >> >>Thanks to all for the tips. I >>I might want to try CANADIAN at a later time to see if it's any better.  >>K >>For the time being I had the programmer change his 300 programs (globally I >>with my search_replace.com) to use another logical name instead. He was " >>happy that was not much trouble.H >>I will not change SYS$LANGUAGE for the users, it may lead to different) >>problems that I don't want to get into.  >>! >>Have a nice weekend everybody !  >>	 >>Syltrem  >> >  > C > You've made the correct decision in moving your attentions to the  > application. > L > I'm currently adding French support to some programs originally written inK > English. Although there are tempting reasons to want to do this at the OS K > level, it makes more sense to do this at the application level as soon as J > you consider the need to support  to support more than one language at aM > time (so make it user selectable; save the choice in a cookie if a web app)  > 	 >     ###  > K > A Quebec labor law (still?) exists which basically states "as soon as you M > turn up a software solution in English you are then obligated to add French N > support within 52 weeks" (this is at the application level, not the OS). I'mK > not sure if there is any obligation to add English to French applications N > but any programmer crossing this threshold once will usually prepare for the
 > inevitable.  > 1 > Here are some choices I've seen or heard about:  > M > 1) having multiple versions of the software with all the strings translated J > into the desired language (you would not believe the number of companiesK > doing this; has to be a make-work project for the software industry; when C > fixing bugs the multiple versions almost always slip out of sync)  > F > 2) hard code each string for two (using IF/THEN/ELSE) or more (usingL > SELECT/CASE) languages. (this seems like a good idea but will only work onK > small progams; when programs grow hunting down bugs will become much more  > difficult) > M > 3) load the desired language strings into an array before the program runs. D > You need to make sure the array subscripts in your source code are > descriptive. eg: >   print #0, L$(k_choice);  >   input #0, choice$    WASD uses this approach.  7    http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/doc/htd/htd_1200.html   
 soyMAIL also.   C Adding multi-language support is a significant undertaking for any  G application.  Not only the initial effort to build an application that  G can dynamically handle multiple languages (and character sets) but the  F on-going issues when modifying that application and needing to elicit I and then collate additions and modification to messages from a number of  I independent sources (and being embarressingly monolingual myself).  Adds  , significantly to the developmental overhead.   > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:26:31 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: SYS$LANGUAGE < Message-ID: <450bf9d3$0$24193$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  8 "Mark Daniel" <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> wrote in message * news:12gnu3o9qpnifd8@corp.supernews.com... > Neil Rieck wrote:    [...snip...]   >  > WASD uses this approach. > 8 >   http://wasd.vsm.com.au/ht_root/doc/htd/htd_1200.html >  > soyMAIL also.  > E > Adding multi-language support is a significant undertaking for any  M > application.  Not only the initial effort to build an application that can  E > dynamically handle multiple languages (and character sets) but the  L > on-going issues when modifying that application and needing to elicit and G > then collate additions and modification to messages from a number of  K > independent sources (and being embarressingly monolingual myself).  Adds  . > significantly to the developmental overhead. >   K You are 100% correct and it is just a fact of life for programmers working   this side of Y2K.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:31:07 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch>  Subject: Re: SYS$LANGUAGE J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-86F7FA.16310716092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  < In article <450befa8$0$24212$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>,+  "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote:   7 > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message , > news:12gm5pni6060t84@corp.supernews.com... > > B > > "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote in message4 > > news:011901c6d75b$b95fb1d0$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX..." > >> ----- Original Message ----- / > >> From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>   > >> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>1 > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:30 AM  > >> Subject: Re: SYS$LANGUAGE > >> >  > >  > > Hi > >  > > Thanks to all for the tips. K > > I might want to try CANADIAN at a later time to see if it's any better.  > > M > > For the time being I had the programmer change his 300 programs (globally K > > with my search_replace.com) to use another logical name instead. He was $ > > happy that was not much trouble.J > > I will not change SYS$LANGUAGE for the users, it may lead to different+ > > problems that I don't want to get into.  > > # > > Have a nice weekend everybody !  > >  > > Syltrem  > >  > C > You've made the correct decision in moving your attentions to the  > application. > L > I'm currently adding French support to some programs originally written inK > English. Although there are tempting reasons to want to do this at the OS K > level, it makes more sense to do this at the application level as soon as J > you consider the need to support  to support more than one language at aM > time (so make it user selectable; save the choice in a cookie if a web app)  >   B Did this sort of thing many moons ago, although in the context of I layered software providing localised headings/prompts/error messages. In  I that solution separate shared images were provided for each language, so  . there was no concurrently mixing of languages.  	 >     ###  > K > A Quebec labor law (still?) exists which basically states "as soon as you M > turn up a software solution in English you are then obligated to add French N > support within 52 weeks" (this is at the application level, not the OS). I'mK > not sure if there is any obligation to add English to French applications N > but any programmer crossing this threshold once will usually prepare for the
 > inevitable.  > 1 > Here are some choices I've seen or heard about:  > M > 1) having multiple versions of the software with all the strings translated J > into the desired language (you would not believe the number of companiesK > doing this; has to be a make-work project for the software industry; when C > fixing bugs the multiple versions almost always slip out of sync)  > F > 2) hard code each string for two (using IF/THEN/ELSE) or more (usingL > SELECT/CASE) languages. (this seems like a good idea but will only work onK > small progams; when programs grow hunting down bugs will become much more  > difficult) > M > 3) load the desired language strings into an array before the program runs. D > You need to make sure the array subscripts in your source code are > descriptive. eg: >   print #0, L$(k_choice);  >   input #0, choice$   E 3) would be my preferred choice, and meaningful names rule of course.   F I've just had a look on my OS X system, which avoids 1) and 2) to see  how Apple do it.  D For example, in the iTunes application, there are language specific 1 sub-directories, with localised messages in each.   D A brief extract of the English and French Localizable.strings files  shows:   /* ===== Filenames ===== */  "128.001" = "Unknown Album"; "128.002" = "Unknown Artist";  "128.003" = "Unknown Genre"; "128.004" = "Unknown Podcast"; "128.005" = "Podcasts";  "128.006" = "Compilations";   "128.007" = "iTunes EQ Presets";& "128.008" = "iTunes Software License"; "128.009" = "Downloads";  /* ===== Dialog Strings ===== */ "130.001" = "Open Stream"; "130.002" = "Edit URL";  ...    and in the French version:   /* ===== Filenames ===== */  "128.001" = "Album inconnu"; "128.002" = "Artiste inconnu"; "128.003" = "Genre inconnu"; "128.004" = "Podcast inconnu"; "128.005" = "Podcasts";  "128.006" = "Compilations"; 0 "128.007" = "Prrglages de lgaliseur iTunes";- "128.008" = "Licence dutilisation diTunes";  "128.009" = "Tlchargements";  /* ===== Dialog Strings ===== */ "130.001" = "Ouvrir le flux"; % "130.002" = "Modifier ladresse URL";  ...   G I personally prefer mnemonics to numbers for messages, but either way,  I you have to formally define the text strings in an application, which is  
 no bad thing.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:54:51 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: SYS$LANGUAGE 9 Message-ID: <6rednd3eQZPlgZHYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@libcom.com>    Neil Rieck wrote: 7 > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message , > news:12gm5pni6060t84@corp.supernews.com...A >> "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote in message 3 >> news:011901c6d75b$b95fb1d0$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX... ! >>> ----- Original Message -----  . >>> From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> >>> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> 0 >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: SYS$LANGUAGE  >>>  >  >> Hi  >> >> Thanks to all for the tips.J >> I might want to try CANADIAN at a later time to see if it's any better. >>L >> For the time being I had the programmer change his 300 programs (globallyJ >> with my search_replace.com) to use another logical name instead. He was# >> happy that was not much trouble. I >> I will not change SYS$LANGUAGE for the users, it may lead to different * >> problems that I don't want to get into. >>" >> Have a nice weekend everybody ! >>
 >> Syltrem >> > C > You've made the correct decision in moving your attentions to the  > application. > L > I'm currently adding French support to some programs originally written inK > English. Although there are tempting reasons to want to do this at the OS K > level, it makes more sense to do this at the application level as soon as J > you consider the need to support  to support more than one language at aM > time (so make it user selectable; save the choice in a cookie if a web app)  > 	 >     ###  > K > A Quebec labor law (still?) exists which basically states "as soon as you M > turn up a software solution in English you are then obligated to add French N > support within 52 weeks" (this is at the application level, not the OS). I'mK > not sure if there is any obligation to add English to French applications N > but any programmer crossing this threshold once will usually prepare for the
 > inevitable.  > 1 > Here are some choices I've seen or heard about:  > M > 1) having multiple versions of the software with all the strings translated J > into the desired language (you would not believe the number of companiesK > doing this; has to be a make-work project for the software industry; when C > fixing bugs the multiple versions almost always slip out of sync)  > F > 2) hard code each string for two (using IF/THEN/ELSE) or more (usingL > SELECT/CASE) languages. (this seems like a good idea but will only work onK > small progams; when programs grow hunting down bugs will become much more  > difficult) > M > 3) load the desired language strings into an array before the program runs. D > You need to make sure the array subscripts in your source code are > descriptive. eg: >   print #0, L$(k_choice);  >   input #0, choice$  >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html >  >  >   E #3 is headed in the right direction.  But you want to get the 'data'  H completely out of the program.  By 'data', I'm referring to the strings B the program will be displaying, prompts, messages, etc.  Once you I consider them data the concepts become simpler, since we're used to data  ) being separate from the application code.   G There are many methods for setting up the data and getting it into the  E application.  Simplest to implement are text files.  Sharable global  I sections are another solution.  Some more complex solutions will require  + utility programs for setting up the 'data'.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:23:56 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: SYS$LANGUAGE : Message-ID: <hvWdneMXh7C8uJHYnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@comcast.com>   Dave Froble wrote:   > Neil Rieck wrote:  > 8 >> "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message- >> news:12gm5pni6060t84@corp.supernews.com...  >>B >>> "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote in message4 >>> news:011901c6d75b$b95fb1d0$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX... >>> L >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>  >>>> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>1 >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:30 AM  >>>> Subject: Re: SYS$LANGUAGE >>>> >> >>> Hi >>>  >>> Thanks to all for the tips. K >>> I might want to try CANADIAN at a later time to see if it's any better.  >>> D >>> For the time being I had the programmer change his 300 programs 
 >>> (globally K >>> with my search_replace.com) to use another logical name instead. He was $ >>> happy that was not much trouble.J >>> I will not change SYS$LANGUAGE for the users, it may lead to different+ >>> problems that I don't want to get into.  >>> # >>> Have a nice weekend everybody !  >>>  >>> Syltrem  >>>  >>D >> You've made the correct decision in moving your attentions to the >> application.  >>C >> I'm currently adding French support to some programs originally  
 >> written in L >> English. Although there are tempting reasons to want to do this at the OSL >> level, it makes more sense to do this at the application level as soon asK >> you consider the need to support  to support more than one language at a J >> time (so make it user selectable; save the choice in a cookie if a web  >> app)  >>
 >>     ### >>L >> A Quebec labor law (still?) exists which basically states "as soon as youH >> turn up a software solution in English you are then obligated to add 	 >> French G >> support within 52 weeks" (this is at the application level, not the   >> OS). I'm L >> not sure if there is any obligation to add English to French applicationsH >> but any programmer crossing this threshold once will usually prepare 
 >> for the >> inevitable. >>2 >> Here are some choices I've seen or heard about: >>D >> 1) having multiple versions of the software with all the strings 
 >> translated K >> into the desired language (you would not believe the number of companies L >> doing this; has to be a make-work project for the software industry; whenD >> fixing bugs the multiple versions almost always slip out of sync) >>G >> 2) hard code each string for two (using IF/THEN/ELSE) or more (using F >> SELECT/CASE) languages. (this seems like a good idea but will only 
 >> work onL >> small progams; when programs grow hunting down bugs will become much more
 >> difficult)  >>I >> 3) load the desired language strings into an array before the program   >> runs.E >> You need to make sure the array subscripts in your source code are  >> descriptive. eg:  >>   print #0, L$(k_choice); >>   input #0, choice$ >>
 >> Neil Rieck   >> Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, >> Ontario, Canada. ; >> http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html  >> >> >> > G > #3 is headed in the right direction.  But you want to get the 'data'  J > completely out of the program.  By 'data', I'm referring to the strings D > the program will be displaying, prompts, messages, etc.  Once you K > consider them data the concepts become simpler, since we're used to data  + > being separate from the application code.  > I > There are many methods for setting up the data and getting it into the  G > application.  Simplest to implement are text files.  Sharable global  K > sections are another solution.  Some more complex solutions will require  - > utility programs for setting up the 'data'.  >   I ISTR that VMS has built in facilities for this sort of thing. .MSG files  I anyone?  It should be fairly simple to set up multiple message files for  G multiple languages.  Find someone literate in French, German, Swahili,  G etc, and have him create the text strings.  Then you just have to open  H the appropriate file for the language you are using to communicate with  the current user.   D And you don't have to be able to read Lower Slobovian to support it G either.  The user reports facility-severity-identifier and you look up  1 the matching text in the language of your choice.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2006 06:10:48 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>+ Subject: Re: System won't self-test or boot B Message-ID: <1158412248.193490.138510@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > AEF wrote: > ? > > Does anyone here have a guess as to what happened or make a E > > recommendation? I am waiting for him to move the system disk to a I > > working system so I can look for clues, but he has been too busy with  > > other stuff so far.  > N >    That box appears hard-down.  Obviously.  Check the diagnostic LEDs.  Also  E I have sent my London cohort an email asking him to check that. We'll 4 have to wait until at least Monday for the response.  N > start looking at power supply, fan, and other low-level pieces.  And whether  B Since the lights are on, doesn't that rule out the power supply? IA guess the lights could be on but not the fans. Would the fans not  running prevent a self-test?  Q > mounted in a cage or not, do look at the integrity and continuity of the system R > power source. :-)  Or do contact your preferred hardware services vendor, and/orK > roll in your next backup VAX box, and/or (and you did know I was going to R > suggest this, right?) take a look at moving your OpenVMS VAX environment forward' > to an OpenVMS I64 system environment.   D Well, nothing else had a power problem. It's not on contract. BackupG box already in action. Still have yet another backup box ready to swing > into action if needed. Will work on fixing/replacing this one.   [...]    AEF    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:07:02 GMT ; From: "Duncan Macdonald" <duncanmacdonald@blueyonder.co.uk> + Subject: Re: System won't self-test or boot = Message-ID: <ayTOg.19938$r61.6260@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   M The most likely fault is the failure of one of the fans - this will cause an  I immediate shutdown. As the system is 10 years old the fans are well past   their design life.0 "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message ; news:1158325880.622439.6240@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...  > Hi,  > F > I have a MicroVAX 3100 Model 95 overseas in London that just stoppedF > working. Fortunately this happened during non-production hours and IE > had plenty of time to switch to the backup system. Also, daily data H > files were successfully copied to another system, so no data was lost.E > So this is not an urgent problem. (I have yet another backup system " > ready in case of more problems.) >  > I got an alarm from Spectrum:  > H > Device XXXXXX of type GnSNMPDev has stopped responding to polls and/or > external requests. > E > My cohort in London said there was zero response on the console. No H > prompt. Nothing. He "rebooted". I assume he meant power-cycled. Still,I > nothing. No prompt, no self-tests. He hooked it up to a terminal server F > that I then connected to. He power-cycled it again. Nothing. I askedC > him to press the Halt button. Still, zilch. He also said that the 0 > lights were lit, so it's not the power supply. > E > I had a terminal session open on my PC overnight when this happened . > with REPLY/ENABLE active. Nothing from that. > I > The system is in a cage, so there was no cleaning person to knock it or  > other similar scenarios. > = > Does anyone here have a guess as to what happened or make a C > recommendation? I am waiting for him to move the system disk to a G > working system so I can look for clues, but he has been too busy with  > other stuff so far.  > B > The system is connected to a Storage Works tower where its disks& > reside. It was running VAX/VMS v6.1. > E > As an aside: How can I tell when any particular MicroVAX was built?  >  > Thanks for your time.  >  > AEF  >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.509 ************************