1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 17 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 510       Contents:  Re: Alphastation 600 memory type Re: Another DS10L Blowout ! 3 Re: Bugcheck 3C4 Alpha 7.2-2 $audit_event User Mode  Re: Calendar QAR Re: Calendar QARA Re: Debugging image invoked by SYMBIONT via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL  Re: DecServer woes: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 Re: FTP strangeness 0 Re: Inquirer on VMS support outsourcing to India0 Re: Inquirer on VMS support outsourcing to India0 Re: Inquirer on VMS support outsourcing to IndiaP Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL:  Will it ever join the 21st P Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever join the 21st c Re: mtools, specifically mcopy Re: OT except that it's HP...  STOP/ENTRY ? Re: SYS$LANGUAGE" Re: System won't self-test or boot Wordperfect 5.3 and VMS 7-1   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:13:06 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com ) Subject: Re: Alphastation 600 memory type 0 Message-ID: <871wqcnee5.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  * "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> writes:  F > I had no complaints with my AS600 other than power usage and heat... > well, and size.   $ And the, um, interesting appearance.  ? > One thing to watch out for; the cable that connects the front F > control panel to the main logic board runs along the removeable sideD > panel.  Pinch the cable, it can short out and do ugly smoky smellyF > things to the system, control panel, and MLB.  It took me a while to? > get mine running again (fortunatley the MLB survived, and the ; > control panel still worked althought the display lost its , > illumination and some of its matrix dots).  5 Arming the duct tape for a preemptive strike. Thanks.   : BTW, can I use a Zmumble 24 bit TGA2 graphics card in it?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:50:40 +0200 # From: "H Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de> $ Subject: Re: Another DS10L Blowout !5 Message-ID: <eehke4$21kp$1@registered.motzarella.org>   1 What would shipping to the Netherlands amount to?   - "DBT" <dbturner@icusc.com> schreef in bericht * news:12gg1dv9bhpo233@news.supernews.com..., > We have another shipment of DS10L in stock >  > Pricing as follows:  >  > Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz EV6 > 256MB Memory > Dual 10/100 Ethernet On Board  > Dual IDE Controllers On Board  > 1 Open PCI Slot 9 > Universal Power Supply (autoswitching 100~250V 50/60Hz)  > 30GB 7200RPM ATA Disk  > / > All this for only $199  + a 6 months warranty  > $ > Delivery in the USA is $30 maximum: > Call or email for a price on shipping to other countries= > Payment by credit card only (we do make the odd exceptions) 0 > We do NOT accept Discover or American Express. >  >  >  >  > --   >  > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 > Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  > Fax: 912 201 0402  > Email: dbturner@islandco.com > Web: http://www.islandco.com' > ===================================== > > All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions0 > of sale. These should be read before ordering.' > http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2006 14:02:45 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>< Subject: Re: Bugcheck 3C4 Alpha 7.2-2 $audit_event User ModeB Message-ID: <1158440565.719946.92990@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   See Hoff's blog on this bug D http://h20325.www2.hp.com/blogs/hoffman/archive/2006/09/16/1609.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:50:13 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: Calendar QAR 0 Message-ID: <87ac50nfga.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  1 "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> writes:   5 > On 9/8/06, Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> wrote: B >> On 9/8/06, Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote:/ >> > On 2006-09-08 15:39, "Hoff Hoffman" wrote:  >> > >> > > William Webb wrote: >> > >I >> > >> And while we're on the subject Rabinowitz, didn't he also write a G >> > >> piece entitled something like "A day in the life of the process  >> > >> scheduler"?  >> > >T >> > >    It was "a day in the life of the image activator", and there are copies of( >> > > that posted around the 'net, too. >> > >> > It used to be available at W >> > <http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/software/oe/openvms/fanclub/lite/imageact.txt> ( >> > but apparently it isn't any longer. >>H >> Then there's the (in)famous "See Figure 1." from VMS V3, which can beI >> found at <http://www.dourish.com/goodies/see-figure-1.html> (and other  >> places),  >> >> Ken >> > $ > Okay, everybody.  I misremembered. >  > image activator it was.  >  > (See FIgure 1.)  >  > ; - )   D There is also `Tony in RH20 land.' and if some one could type it up.3 a wonderfull intro section in the MK-11 diagnostic.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.? ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------ = Do your users want the best web-email gateway? Don't let your = customers drift off to free webmail services install your own  web gateway!? --  See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_webmail.htm  ----    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:14:13 +1000 ( From: Phaeton <phaeton@internode.on.net> Subject: Re: Calendar QAR / Message-ID: <12gpmd2jjdmca3@corp.supernews.com>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote: [...snip...] > F > There is also `Tony in RH20 land.' and if some one could type it up.5 > a wonderfull intro section in the MK-11 diagnostic.   / 	http://panda.com/tops-20/Tony-in-RH20-Land.txt    	First hit by Google... @                                                    Cheers, Csaba  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- D    CSABA I. HARANGOZO    |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|    phaeton@internode.on.netE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:  D   On the keyboard of life, always keep one finger on the escape key.L                                                                      Dilbert   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:19:03 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com J Subject: Re: Debugging image invoked by SYMBIONT via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL0 Message-ID: <87ejucngw8.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  2 John Santos <john.santos@post.harvard.edu> writes:  B > In article <k2tlg29mp73k0njk5ht5hihbur0ik0jkg8@4ax.com>, jeffls- > nospam@sbcglobal.net says...  I >> I once had DCLTABLES.EXE in a VMScluster purged without a reboot. User I >> logins began to ACCVIO once the older dcltables.exe file's disk blocks " >> got re-allocated to a new file.  ; > Can't happen, at least not any time in the last 25 years.   F Did happen, frequently, but not because of the reasons you are talking about.  F On login DCL is started up and the lookup for DCL is not the same fileF as the DCL[TABLE] that is installed. The image activator does not like that.      --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:44:56 +0200 # From: "H Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de>  Subject: Re: DecServer woes 5 Message-ID: <eehk3c$21g3$1@registered.motzarella.org>   = "Glen Thompson" <glen.thompson@cox.netnet> schreef in bericht ' news:PclOg.10565$Zm1.9499@dukeread02... G > I had a DecServer 700 that had a memory SIMM go bad.  After replacing H > the SIMM I'm unable to load the software into it.   Grabbed a spare DSG > and configured it and it won't accept the software load either.  Both I > DecServers show normal startup with the proper amount of memory (5 MB).  >  > Specifics: > & > OpenVMS 7.2 on a Vaxstation 4000-90a" > DecServer 700-16, firmware 3.4-9 > J > Normal procedure is to run MCR LANCP and issue a TRIGGER command to sendF > the software to the DS.  This time it doesn't seem to work. Here areH > some of the details.  DS700A is working fine.  DS700B won't load.  MAC< > addresses have been verified.    Any ideas on what to try? >  > TIA, > glen  H Umm, you didn't accidentally switch it from RJ45 to AUI did you? Or vice	 versa ;-)    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Sep 2006 22:11:58 GMT) From: Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 0 Message-ID: <eei3sd.93.1@usenet.bachner.priv.at>  2 Peter Weaver <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote:   <snip>2 >>> The following addresses had delivery problems: >>>  >>> <dturner@icusc.com> 5 >>> Permanent Failure: Bad destination system address > >>> Delivery last attempted at Sat, 16 Sep 2006 03:07:09 -0000 >> >> Perhaps no one won! > F > I had the same thing when I replied at 16:15, I figured he was being0 > flooded with email and turned off the account.  K No, the account has been unresponsive at least since Wednesday. I received  A "message is still undelivered" messages after 4, 8, and 24 hours.   3 Use the mail address in Dave's signature, it works.    Hans.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:04:40 -0400 - From: bradhamilton <bradhamilton@comcast.net> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 * Message-ID: <450C8308.9070603@comcast.net>   Hans Bachner wrote: 4 > Peter Weaver <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote: [...]  >>> Perhaps no one won! G >> I had the same thing when I replied at 16:15, I figured he was being 1 >> flooded with email and turned off the account.  > M > No, the account has been unresponsive at least since Wednesday. I received  C > "message is still undelivered" messages after 4, 8, and 24 hours.  > 5 > Use the mail address in Dave's signature, it works.   2 But the original post had a different requirement:  J > 7th Email to dturner@icusc.com gets a free Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz with  > 30GB IDE disk and 256MB memory  G I followed up with an inquiry ex post facto to the above address (well  I after the "offer" was over, but I just couldn't resist seeing if I might   get something free - :-))    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 01:45:58 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-F40060.01455817092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  * In article <450C8308.9070603@comcast.net>,/  bradhamilton <bradhamilton@comcast.net> wrote:    > Hans Bachner wrote: 6 > > Peter Weaver <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote: > [...]  > >>> Perhaps no one won! I > >> I had the same thing when I replied at 16:15, I figured he was being 3 > >> flooded with email and turned off the account.  > > O > > No, the account has been unresponsive at least since Wednesday. I received  E > > "message is still undelivered" messages after 4, 8, and 24 hours.  > > 7 > > Use the mail address in Dave's signature, it works.  > 4 > But the original post had a different requirement: > L > > 7th Email to dturner@icusc.com gets a free Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz with" > > 30GB IDE disk and 256MB memory > I > I followed up with an inquiry ex post facto to the above address (well  K > after the "offer" was over, but I just couldn't resist seeing if I might   > get something free - :-))   G Methinks David is going come in for some ribbing at least, come Monday   :-)    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:38:54 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 9 Message-ID: <cbydnSXQUO7GOJHYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Paul Sture wrote: , > In article <450C8308.9070603@comcast.net>,1 >  bradhamilton <bradhamilton@comcast.net> wrote:  >  >> Hans Bachner wrote:6 >>> Peter Weaver <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote: >> [...] >>>>> Perhaps no one won! I >>>> I had the same thing when I replied at 16:15, I figured he was being 3 >>>> flooded with email and turned off the account. O >>> No, the account has been unresponsive at least since Wednesday. I received  E >>> "message is still undelivered" messages after 4, 8, and 24 hours.  >>> 7 >>> Use the mail address in Dave's signature, it works. 5 >> But the original post had a different requirement:  >>L >>> 7th Email to dturner@icusc.com gets a free Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz with" >>> 30GB IDE disk and 256MB memoryJ >> I followed up with an inquiry ex post facto to the above address (well L >> after the "offer" was over, but I just couldn't resist seeing if I might  >> get something free - :-)) > I > Methinks David is going come in for some ribbing at least, come Monday   > :-)  >   E We should hold out for a free system for everyone before we stop the  
 ribbing.  :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:58:53 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 , Message-ID: <450CB9E5.8936BB3C@teksavvy.com>  H I have the perfect solution. Write a program that opens as many links toG the islandco SMTP server as it can, therefore blocking any other emails  from coming in.   C Then, when the contest is announced, you send 6 rogue messages with D names harvested from comp.os.vms, and then your own 7th message withF your name and proper address. Since nobody else can send emails duringH that period, you are assured of winning the lottery. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Sep 2006 20:35:12 GMT) From: Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at>  Subject: Re: FTP strangeness0 Message-ID: <eehu6v.93.1@usenet.bachner.priv.at>  , Martin Vorlaender <mv@pdv-systeme.de> wrote:   <snip>  C > I had all positive experience with Filezilla[1] and UCX. Not sure  > about the x64 part, though.   K I frequently have troubles using Filezilla to copy files to OpenVMS V7.3-2  L and/or V8.2 with the current TCP/IP versions. It just hangs after copying a  few blocks.   C I assume the problem is on the Filezilla side, as it shows similar  > behaviour with a Linux-based router/firewall platform (fli4l).   Hans.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:20:01 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 9 Subject: Re: Inquirer on VMS support outsourcing to India 0 Message-ID: <87wt84lzi6.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  5 "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:   F > I got three copies of the "Green Card" spam on my VAX/VMS mail!  (It) > wasn't quite the first spam but. . . .)   ' Canter and Seigel? Who was before them?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:30:28 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> 9 Subject: Re: Inquirer on VMS support outsourcing to India : Message-ID: <PoqdncMqWP23CpHYnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:  7 > "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:  >  > F >>I got three copies of the "Green Card" spam on my VAX/VMS mail!  (It) >>wasn't quite the first spam but. . . .)  >  > ) > Canter and Seigel? Who was before them?  >   G DEC!!!  They spammed the ARPAnet a few years before Cantor and Siegel.  = That WAS before my time (or at least before I was networked).    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 00:41:17 GMT ( From: "P. Thompson" <no-spam@new.rr.com>9 Subject: Re: Inquirer on VMS support outsourcing to India E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609161940030.16257@localhost.localdomain>   . On Sat, 16 Sep 2006, Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  N > DEC!!!  They spammed the ARPAnet a few years before Cantor and Siegel. That : > WAS before my time (or at least before I was networked).  I Is this another DEC first?  Did they give away the farm without a patent?    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Sep 2006 20:28:42 GMT) From: Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at> Y Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL:  Will it ever join the 21st  0 Message-ID: <eehtqo.93.1@usenet.bachner.priv.at>   Rick,   ( Rick Barry <richard.barry@hp.com> wrote:  C >> I've asked before, but I'll ask again - will Firefox/Thunderbird ( >> replace Mozilla on VMS in the future? > @ > The public roadmaps have us tracking the open source project's6 > releases for future versions of e-business products. > = > Since mozilla.org has publically stated that Firefox is the F > replacement for bundled Mozilla product, we'll be looking at portingA > Firefox in the future as the logical replacement for Secure Web   > Browser. No timetable as yet.   D As you know, Firefox is only replacement for a part of Mozilla, the 	 browser.    J I would advocate either a port of both Firefox and Thunderbird, or a port H of the Seamonkey suite to get an adequate replacement for Mozilla. (I'm H not sure how many people use the chat and editor components - imho they F are less important, so I'd be happy with Firefox/Thunderbird as well).   Hans Bachner b.it.co IT Consulting GmbH http://b.it.co.at    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:00:58 -0400 7 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Y Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever join the 21st c - Message-ID: <We0Pg.38056$_q4.6138@dukeread09>    Tom Linden wrote: E > certainly not browser, what I had meant was browsers on Win and Mac K > and Linux.  Servers maybe.  Look what IBM has done with zos to web enable  > legacy apps.    ) Compaq/HP could have done the same thing.    6 years ago.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:11:23 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ' Subject: Re: mtools, specifically mcopy J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-56A02A.20112316092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  * In article <4509ab26@usenet01.boi.hp.com>,.  Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote:    O >    If you're careful, a MOUNT/FOREIGN and a DUMP will allow you to deal with  N > this.  I've certainly spent enough time looking at FAT volumes, and yes you P > can see the bits inside the files once you get past the FATs and other such.     ...    K > For grins, I might suggest seeing of a Linux dd could be brought to bear  K > here, and just load the sequential file absolutely directly out onto the  O > removable media.  No disk volume structures at all, etc., just the blocks of   > the file containing the PAKs.   A Hmm. I see that OS X has dd, and it is also available in various   incarnations for Windows.   D Not having a floppy here except for on my VMS system, I did try the 
 following:   $ mount/for dva0: ! floppyG $ copy license.com dva0: ! license.com has just VMS, DECW, UCX licenses ? $ dump dva0: /output=dva0.txt /blocks=(start:0,end:2) /width=80   A and it shouldn't be much of a job to munge that into a text file.    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:42:49 +0200 # From: "H Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de> & Subject: Re: OT except that it's HP...5 Message-ID: <eehjvd$21ee$1@registered.motzarella.org>   7 "Paul Lentz" <Something@invalid.com> schreef in bericht 4 news:fgJOg.2237$IA.776@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...L > In 1973 as a student at Plano High School (Texas) I had the opportunity toI > play on one of HPs Computers in Richardson Texas (supposedly on Arapaho L > Road, kind of in the "Telecom Corridor"). The access was a accoustic modemK > which was probably 300 baud, a dialup line and a teletype terminal with a K > gawd-awful paper tape reader/writer to save stuff that was located in the J > Math office at PHS. I think the language I wrote programs in was a BASIC  > like thing they called LOGLAN. > ( > I read some stuff about the HP 3000 atD > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/abouthp/histnfacts/timeline/hist_70s.htmlB > I'm wondering if there is anyone out there who could point me to information D > about that computer and that language. Any *OLD* HP people here??? > 	 > Thanks!  > *Paul* >  > http://www.paulguy.net >  >  > L You'll find DEC people here Paul, VMS, RT-11, RSX-11 and RSTS or IAS are the magic words around here.G The HP3000 series was made obsolete within a year after the HP / Compaq K merger. There used to be a fairly active HP3000 newsgroup, not sure whether 1 it was named after the platform or the os (MPX?). 
 Hans Vlems   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2006 19:40:43 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: STOP/ENTRY ? , Message-ID: <450c533b$1@news.langstoeger.at>  L If I want to stop an batch entry and requeue it, then STOP/ENTRY is the way.A But why do I need a queue parameter for this? Why is it required?   @ On OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 I noted that to stop and requeue it I do   $ STOP/REQUEUE/ENTRY=xxx   which seems logical   J For aborting the job and not restarting it immediately, I do need a queue.  # $ STOP/REQUEUE/HOLD/ENTRY=xxx queue    which seems strange.  I On VMS V8.2 I checked if this discrepancy still persists and it is fixed, J but in the (in my eyes) wrong direction. I need now a queue in both cases.  5 Am I the only found who finds this strange/illogical? ; Or did I forget to doublecheck (eg. generic vs. execution)?   ; btw: I haven't tried V8.3 (and of course no Itanic) so far.    TIA    -EPLAN   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:40:54 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: SYS$LANGUAGE , Message-ID: <450CB5AF.AFB7DA96@teksavvy.com>   Mark Daniel wrote:D > Adding multi-language support is a significant undertaking for anyH > application.  Not only the initial effort to build an application thatH > can dynamically handle multiple languages (and character sets) but theG > on-going issues when modifying that application and needing to elicit     C ALLIN1 was built to handle multiple languages. Smart use of logical H names, as well as FMS libraries allowed easy switch of language setting.   $ show log oa$lib 2    "OA$LIB" = "OA$SITE_LIB_LLV" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)         = "OA$SITE_LIB_SHARE"          = "OA$LIB_LLV"         = "OA$LIB_SHARE"  L 1  "OA$SITE_LIB_LLV" = "$DISK2:[ALLIN1.SITE.LIB_ENGLISH]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)L 1  "OA$SITE_LIB_SHARE" = "$DISK2:[ALLIN1.SITE.LIB_SHARE]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)B 1  "OA$LIB_LLV" = "$DISK2:[ALLIN1.LIB_ENGLISH]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)         = "OA$EXE_LLV"I 2  "OA$EXE_LLV" = "$DISK2:[ALLIN1.OA$EXE_VAX_ENGLISH]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) B 1  "OA$LIB_SHARE" = "$DISK2:[ALLIN1.LIB_SHARE]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)         = "OA$EXE_SHARE"I 2  "OA$EXE_SHARE" = "$DISK2:[ALLIN1.OA$EXE_VAX_SHARE]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)     D The LLV points to the local language variant (in this case english).3 The SHARE points to the language independant files. D The SITE points to site specific directories (customised files, site developped applications).   G Installation scripts don't touch the SITE directories. And you can have E multiple languages residing on the same system with users accessing a A language or another simply via logical name definitions. (done by I ALLIN1/LANGUAGE=xxxx, or via teh language defined in the user's profile).    --------------------  E Another impleentation is MOTIF's  UIL files. These contain the widget @ definitions, but can also contain all messages, strings etc.  InD DECW$EXAMPLES, you can file a few demo apps that can be multilingual1 simply by invoking a different compiled UIL file.    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Sep 2006 22:00:16 GMT) From: Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at> + Subject: Re: System won't self-test or boot 0 Message-ID: <eei36f.93.1@usenet.bachner.priv.at>  - Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote:    <snip>? > and/or (and you did know I was going to suggest this, right?) B > take a look at moving your OpenVMS VAX environment forward to an" > OpenVMS I64 system environment.  <snip>  L While this certinly is a very interesting task, a short time solution could L be to replace the MicroVAX with a CHARON-VAX[1]. As the MicroVAX 3100/95 is H one of the models it exactly emulates, migrating to the emulator should A work with minimum effort and save you the search for another few  I replacemnet boxes. And I not even mentioned yet that you will get a nice   performance gain as well.    Hans Bachner http://b.it.co.at    [1] http://www.charon-vax.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:54:52 -0400 " From: "mebos" <mebos@casitron.com>$ Subject: Wordperfect 5.3 and VMS 7-18 Message-ID: <AJKdnTK9xO90N5HYnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@aci.on.ca>  J There seems to be a problem where for some reason a balnk page is printed  with the good page.   = It seems to happen when an image is included in the document.   	 Thank you    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.510 ************************