1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 17 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 511       Contents: Re: A message to Kerry Main  Re: A message to Kerry Main P Re: Digital Server 5305 (ALPHAserver 1200) power consumption when switched off)  Re: FTP strangeness & Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers  Re: HSG80 CACHE UPGRADE question1 MicroVAX II up on ebay with no bids, 6 hours left 5 Re: MicroVAX II up on ebay with no bids, 6 hours left 5 Re: MicroVAX II up on ebay with no bids, 6 hours left 5 Re: MicroVAX II up on ebay with no bids, 6 hours left 5 Re: MicroVAX II up on ebay with no bids, 6 hours left P Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL:  Will it ever join the 21st  Re: SYS$LANGUAGE Re: SYS$LANGUAGE  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:52:13 +0200 ( From: Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer@gsi.de>$ Subject: Re: A message to Kerry Main/ Message-ID: <eej2as$4vj$01$1@news.t-online.com>   1 Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply schrieb:  > I > IIRC, there is the story that Compaq bid a Tandem-based solution for a  I > company in Singapore.  They lost the bid to IBM, who offered something  0 > cheaper---an ALPHA-based solution running VMS. >   7 It would be good if someone could track down this story 5 to its original source. Otherwise it sounds more like  an urban legend.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 11:01:50 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)$ Subject: Re: A message to Kerry Main$ Message-ID: <eej9ut$62t$1@online.de>  ? In article <eej2as$4vj$01$1@news.t-online.com>, Michael Kraemer  <M.Kraemer@gsi.de> writes:    3 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply schrieb:  > > K > > IIRC, there is the story that Compaq bid a Tandem-based solution for a  K > > company in Singapore.  They lost the bid to IBM, who offered something  2 > > cheaper---an ALPHA-based solution running VMS. > >  > 9 > It would be good if someone could track down this story 7 > to its original source. Otherwise it sounds more like  > an urban legend.  F Some searching turned up me quoting a similar story 4 years ago.  But E I'm sure there was a thread on this here (must have been more then 4   years ago).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:13:45 -0500 6 From: "Schroeder, AJ" <ajschroeder@no-spamhotmail.com>Y Subject: Re: Digital Server 5305 (ALPHAserver 1200) power consumption when switched off)  / Message-ID: <450D5819.80000@no-spamhotmail.com>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: F > I have a Digital Server 5305 (converted to an ALPHAserver 1200 by a H > quick modification of the firmware).  It is configured as a satellite G > and I only boot it when I need to run CSWB.  (No other systems in my  H > cluster at the moment are powerful enough, but the 5305 uses too much I > power to keep on all the time.)  I notice that when it is switched off  J > the casing near the upper of the two power cords remains warm, so it is  > drawing some current.  > E > How much?  Does only the upper power cable draw current when it is   > switched off?  > H > Obviously, if I only boot it when I need CSWB and otherwise switch it I > off, that makes no sense if it continues to draw an appreciable amount  F > of current.  On the other hand, could physically removing the power  > cable have bad effects?  > J > (Some ALPHAservers have a "soft" power switch on the front and a "hard" I > one on the back.  That's not the case with the 5305, though, which has   > only the former.)  > J > A side question: what is the least powerful system (CPU, memory, cache) J > which is capable of running CSWB at an "acceptable" speed for "average"  > web pages?   >   B I know exactly what you speak of, mine does the exact same thing. F Actually, we ran the 5305 en masse for a while at work when they were , still popular, and we had the same concerns.  F In the end, we ended up unplugging them when they weren't used and we  noticed no ill-effects.   I I do have a question for you, how did you convert the 5305 to an AS1200?  E I would like to actually have an AS1200, even though various *nixes,  1 VMS, and (gulp) Windows have ran on this machine.    Regards,   AJ Schroeder   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:22:35 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: FTP strangeness, Message-ID: <eejp7r$ps9$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  U In article <12gmuf2rbaj5d4@corp.supernews.com>, "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate> writes: N >My reading of the RFC, possibly flawed, is that for the LIST command, 550 is K >not one of the "valid" returns from the server (OVMS).  Have I misread or   >misunderstood this? >   H What permanent error reply-code (ie 5xx number) do the manufacturers of , SmartFTP suggest an ftp server should send ?  J Also note that RFC 959 is NOT the final word on all things to do with FTP.# Please see RFC 1123 which states :-        " 3 4.1.2.11  FTP Replies: RFC-959 Section 4.2, Page 35     F             A Server-FTP MUST send only correctly formatted replies onF             the control connection.  Note that RFC-959 (unlike earlierA             versions of the FTP spec) contains no provision for a (             "spontaneous" reply message.      F             A Server-FTP SHOULD use the reply codes defined in RFC-959A             whenever they apply.  However, a server-FTP MAY use a D             different reply code when needed, as long as the generalG             rules of Section 4.2 are followed. When the implementor has C             a choice between a 4xx and 5xx reply code, a Server-FTP H             SHOULD send a 4xx (temporary failure) code when there is anyG             reasonable possibility that a failed FTP will succeed a few              hours later.   "    550 Requested action not taken. @              File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access).  L is a valid RFC 959 section 4.2 reply-code and hence MAY be used when needed.L The fact it is not listed against the LIST command in section 5.4 of rfc 959A would appear to be overridden by the above statement in RFC 1123.     
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University       > 9 >"Cluster-Karl" <karl.rohwedder@gmx.de> wrote in message  > >news:1158316788.056323.186190@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> Here is part of  RFC 959:0  >>F >> RFC 959                                                     October >> 1985  >> File Transfer Protocol * >>         550 Requested action not taken.B >>             File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access). >>0 >> Btw. also the HGFTP client sends a 550 error. >> >> regards Kalle >>   >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:36:39 +0200 " From: "Dr. Dweeb" <spam@dweeb.net>/ Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers ; Message-ID: <450d334b$0$139$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>   G So, what happens when M$ finally desupports Win/Itanium and the 3 or 4  F applications that might actually be useful running on this platform ??   Dweeb    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:43:21 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) / Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers Z Message-ID: <rdeininger-1709060943230001@dialup-4.233.173.25.dial1.manchester1.level3.net>  G In article <450d334b$0$139$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb"  <spam@dweeb.net> wrote:   H >So, what happens when M$ finally desupports Win/Itanium and the 3 or 4 G >applications that might actually be useful running on this platform ??  >  >Dweeb  5 You seem to have wandered into the wrong newsgroup...    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 14:39:26 GMT / From: "Schroeder, AJ" <ajschroeder@hotmail.com> ) Subject: Re: HSG80 CACHE UPGRADE question * Message-ID: <450D5E4C.7070509@hotmail.com>   islandco wrote: E > You should shut down the whole thing - otherwise you get that nasty # > "unflushed data in cache" message + > Well, that's what has occured here anyhoo  >  > G I concur, we did the same thing on some EMA's around here and ended up  G taking all the raidsets offline and had to clear each units cache with   the NODESTROY_UNFLUSHED_DATA.   8 It is better to take the controllers offline gracefully.   AJ Schroeder   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:24:33 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> : Subject: MicroVAX II up on ebay with no bids, 6 hours leftI Message-ID: <8660a3a10609170624l1fc569f2r9842e689719a0cfd@mail.gmail.com>    Item has the odd title of 6 "Digital MicroVax II Vintange computer collector IBM "   http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-MicroVax-II-Vintange-computer-collector-IBM_W0QQitemZ260030368959QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4193QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem  * six hours left with no bids at this point. --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:14:06 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: MicroVAX II up on ebay with no bids, 6 hours left: Message-ID: <IN-dnVm0j4aoxZDYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com>   William Webb wrote:    > Item has the odd title of 8 > "Digital MicroVax II Vintange computer collector IBM " >  > http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-MicroVax-II-Vintange-computer-collector-IBM_W0QQitemZ260030368959QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4193QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem   >  > , > six hours left with no bids at this point.  G And you can have it for a penny + shipping.  Unless you can pick it up  E in "01516 USA" wherever that might be, the shipping is probably more  % than the machine is worth these days!    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:37:13 +0200 ) From: "gl@decadence.it" <gl@decadence.it> > Subject: Re: MicroVAX II up on ebay with no bids, 6 hours left9 Message-ID: <pan.2006.09.17.14.37.13.114985@decadence.it>   B Il Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:14:06 -0400, Richard B. Gilbert ha scritto: > William Webb wrote:  >  > > Item has the odd title of : > > "Digital MicroVax II Vintange computer collector IBM " > > H > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-MicroVax-II-Vintange-computer-collector-H > > IBM_W0QQitemZ260030368959QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4193QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >  > > F > six hours left with no bids at this point. And you can have it for aF > penny + shipping.  Unless you can pick it up in "01516 USA" whereverH > that might be, the shipping is probably more than the machine is worth
 > these days!    Still it is a piece of history. H That MicroVAX looks in very good shape and probably it is still in greatJ working condition. If it goes unsold, the seller will probably throw it in	 the dump.   > "01516 USA" seems to be Douglas in Massachusetts (google says)I I couldn't believe that there is no die-hard Digital fan in Massachusetts  that wants it!   Ciao!  gl   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:21:37 GMT # From: nospam@nouce.bellatlantic.net > Subject: Re: MicroVAX II up on ebay with no bids, 6 hours left8 Message-ID: <bnpqg2l5s2on2lj3k9bii2rbhojcedpn3m@4ax.com>  5 On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:37:13 +0200, "gl@decadence.it"  <gl@decadence.it> wrote:  C >Il Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:14:06 -0400, Richard B. Gilbert ha scritto:  >> William Webb wrote: >>   >> > Item has the odd title of; >> > "Digital MicroVax II Vintange computer collector IBM "  >> >  I >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-MicroVax-II-Vintange-computer-collector- I >> > IBM_W0QQitemZ260030368959QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4193QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem  >> >   >> >  G >> six hours left with no bids at this point. And you can have it for a G >> penny + shipping.  Unless you can pick it up in "01516 USA" wherever I >> that might be, the shipping is probably more than the machine is worth  >> these days! >   >Still it is a piece of history.I >That MicroVAX looks in very good shape and probably it is still in great K >working condition. If it goes unsold, the seller will probably throw it in 
 >the dump. > ? >"01516 USA" seems to be Douglas in Massachusetts (google says) J >I couldn't believe that there is no die-hard Digital fan in Massachusetts >that wants it!  >  >Ciao! >gl   ? Since Ma is the former home of DEC microVAXIIs are common here. A I have two uVAXIIs and two boxes of spares myself and don't have   room for more.       Allison    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 12:48:43 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: MicroVAX II up on ebay with no bids, 6 hours left: Message-ID: <QsednQqUoarv4ZDYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com>   gl@decadence.it wrote:  D > Il Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:14:06 -0400, Richard B. Gilbert ha scritto: >  >>William Webb wrote:  >> >> >>>Item has the odd title of9 >>>"Digital MicroVax II Vintange computer collector IBM "  >>> G >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/Digital-MicroVax-II-Vintange-computer-collector- G >>>IBM_W0QQitemZ260030368959QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4193QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem  >>>  >>>  >>F >>six hours left with no bids at this point. And you can have it for aF >>penny + shipping.  Unless you can pick it up in "01516 USA" whereverH >>that might be, the shipping is probably more than the machine is worth
 >>these days!  >  > ! > Still it is a piece of history. J > That MicroVAX looks in very good shape and probably it is still in greatL > working condition. If it goes unsold, the seller will probably throw it in > the dump.  > @ > "01516 USA" seems to be Douglas in Massachusetts (google says)K > I couldn't believe that there is no die-hard Digital fan in Massachusetts  > that wants it! >  > Ciao!  > gl  ' If you are a "history" collector. . . .   I I prefer slightly faster hardware, not to mention hardware that's easier  E to get disk drives for!  If my next door neighbor put one out on the  F curb, I would leave it there!  (Unless I thought I could find someone 1 who would pay me for my trouble in salvaging it.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:26:20 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> Y Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL:  Will it ever join the 21st  + Message-ID: <4n5c1bF8qnvcU1@individual.net>   * On 2006-09-16 22:28, "Hans Bachner" wrote:   > [...]  > L > I would advocate either a port of both Firefox and Thunderbird, or a port J > of the Seamonkey suite to get an adequate replacement for Mozilla. (I'm J > not sure how many people use the chat and editor components - imho they H > are less important, so I'd be happy with Firefox/Thunderbird as well).  H AFAIK Thunderbird isn't well suited for *offline* use -- there are still> people without a DSL (or similar) connection and restricted toI modem/ISDN use with time-based-fees. So I'd vote for a port of SeaMonkey.    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 16:56:34 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> Subject: Re: SYS$LANGUAGE 0 Message-ID: <12gpu7amon0cib9@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Mark Daniel wrote: > D >>Adding multi-language support is a significant undertaking for anyH >>application.  Not only the initial effort to build an application thatH >>can dynamically handle multiple languages (and character sets) but theG >>on-going issues when modifying that application and needing to elicit  >  >  > E > ALLIN1 was built to handle multiple languages. Smart use of logical J > names, as well as FMS libraries allowed easy switch of language setting. >  > $ show log oa$lib 4 >    "OA$LIB" = "OA$SITE_LIB_LLV" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >         = "OA$SITE_LIB_SHARE"  >         = "OA$LIB_LLV" >         = "OA$LIB_SHARE" >   G Yes.  VMS' multivalued logical names offer remarkable possibilities in  E environment tailoring.  I have seen some clever applications of this  G facility over the years.  One that is proving to be less versatile and  4 more complex to implement (IMHO) on rehosting to *x.  : WASD's multi-language support can use these for cascading  language-specific messages.    KLAATU$ show log httpd$msgG     "HTTPD$MSG" = "HT_ROOT:[LOCAL]HTTPD$MSG_ES.CONF" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) -          = "HT_ROOT:[LOCAL]HTTPD$MSG_DE.CONF" *          = "HT_ROOT:[LOCAL]HTTPD$MSG.CONF"  G Earlier files can contain subsets with the last containing a base set.  F The actual message presented on any one occasion can then be selected G according to the "Accept-language: .." request header, with a fallback  E to the base language.  Sounds a lot like what you describe below for  / ALLINONE but wrapped up into a web-transaction.   C soyMAIL takes the tack of allowing the user to specify an optioned  D language and then loading a specific file containing those messages.  D Again, the big issue (when you don't maintain all the language sets G in-house) is coordinating new and modified message sets.  When relying  F on volunteer input you don't want to make too many ad hoc changes and D have to pester these individuals too many times for trivial changes.  N > 1  "OA$SITE_LIB_LLV" = "$DISK2:[ALLIN1.SITE.LIB_ENGLISH]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)N > 1  "OA$SITE_LIB_SHARE" = "$DISK2:[ALLIN1.SITE.LIB_SHARE]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)D > 1  "OA$LIB_LLV" = "$DISK2:[ALLIN1.LIB_ENGLISH]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >         = "OA$EXE_LLV"K > 2  "OA$EXE_LLV" = "$DISK2:[ALLIN1.OA$EXE_VAX_ENGLISH]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) D > 1  "OA$LIB_SHARE" = "$DISK2:[ALLIN1.LIB_SHARE]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >         = "OA$EXE_SHARE"K > 2  "OA$EXE_SHARE" = "$DISK2:[ALLIN1.OA$EXE_VAX_SHARE]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  >  > F > The LLV points to the local language variant (in this case english).5 > The SHARE points to the language independant files. F > The SITE points to site specific directories (customised files, site > developped applications).  > I > Installation scripts don't touch the SITE directories. And you can have G > multiple languages residing on the same system with users accessing a C > language or another simply via logical name definitions. (done by K > ALLIN1/LANGUAGE=xxxx, or via teh language defined in the user's profile).  >  > -------------------- > G > Another impleentation is MOTIF's  UIL files. These contain the widget B > definitions, but can also contain all messages, strings etc.  InF > DECW$EXAMPLES, you can file a few demo apps that can be multilingual3 > simply by invoking a different compiled UIL file.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 09:37:29 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: SYS$LANGUAGE < Message-ID: <450d4df8$0$24170$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  = "Paul Sture" <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote in message  D news:paul.sture.nospam-86F7FA.16310716092006@mac.sture.homeip.net...> > In article <450befa8$0$24212$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>,, > "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote: [...snip...] > G > I've just had a look on my OS X system, which avoids 1) and 2) to see  > how Apple do it. >   K It's been quite a while since I developed applications on a Mac (pre UNIX)  G but they used to provide a special developer's tool called a "Resource  K Editor". You would design an application referencing English (or whatever)  E strings in your application's "Resource Fork". When you shipped your  F application to users in another country, they would use the "Resource # Editor" to modify your application.   K I also remember using resource fork data to filter legal keystrokes ("Y/N"  ( for English, "O/N" for French (Oui/Non))       ###   G Like you, I prefer to use meaningful mnemonics rather than meaningless   numbers.  K In today's programming environment we provide initial alternative language  M support files using http://babelfish.altavista.com then we ship the files to  ? someone more familiar with the other language for final tweaks.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.511 ************************