1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 19 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 514       Contents:: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 Re: FTP strangeness   how to backup installCDs to ISOs& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable - Re: http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/ dead again? - Re: http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/ dead again? @ Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever Re: OT except that it's HP...  Re: OT except that it's HP...  Re: Personal note - goodbye !  Promis to MS SQL Re: Quid Pro Quo Clarrice  re free ds10l contest 6 Security Evaluation for some other HP operating system: Re: Security Evaluation for some other HP operating system: Re: Security Evaluation for some other HP operating system Re: UNZIP Install for VMS? Re: UNZIP Install for VMS? Re: UNZIP Install for VMS? Re: UNZIP Install for VMS? VMS/Alpha V8.2  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:01:42 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 + Message-ID: <4n8cktF8u2o0U2@individual.net>   7 On 2006-09-18 21:20, "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" wrote:   n > In article <1158588404.471398.77210@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> writes:9 >>I'm glad I didn't see the original post in time, now ;)  >  > And I still haven't seen it.. > Was it Info-VAX only? (I use NNTP, not SMTP)  F Msg-Id: <12glvkp2jer3kb8@news.supernews.com>, Date: 15-Sep-2006 21:27;B the "Path:" header contains some strange parts -- no host names --4 ("sn-xt-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-01!sn-post-sjc-01") though.  H Michael (reading via "news.individual.de", which is the very same system as the one known as ".net")    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:58:51 +1000 # From: "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate>  Subject: Re: FTP strangeness0 Message-ID: <12gu95d5ifdn1fe@corp.supernews.com>   Hi David (and others)    <snip>E Which version of TCPIP and VMS are you running the ftp server under ?  <snip>  M Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 on a AlphaServer DS10L   466 MHz running OpenVMS V7.2-2.  Log extract....    [23:41:48] LIST * [23:41:48] 150 Opening data connection for9 HT_ROOT:[000000.FOURPROVINCES]*.*;* (192.168.100.14,4241)  [23:41:48] 550 file not found   ; On the PC, I have directories structured (from Picassa) as  L d:/data/pictures/fourprovinces, and within fourprovinces are files, and two L subdirectories images and thumbnails.  So the PC-based structure looks like * d:/data/pictures/fourprovinces/images and * d:/data/pictures/fourprovinces/thumbnails.  M When I use SmartFTP to copy the whole d:/data/pictures/fourprovinces to VMS,  1 the client gets as far as creating the directory  H HT_ROOT:[000000.FOURPROVINCES], but then programatically (and before it J copies any files or subdirectories) does the LIST shown above, gets a 550  and it all over red rover!   Cheers  , <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message & news:eem2lp$gp8$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...H > In article <eelvpv$fum$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk 	 > writes: = >>In article <12gskj8rnfikj57@corp.supernews.com>, "Gremlin"   >><not-here@all.mate> writes:  >>>Hi  >>> J >>>I put these suggestions to SmartFTP who replied"....Whatever your otherH >>>source says we believe they are wrong and it seems they are unable toK >>>understand the RFCs correctly.  Furthermore 5xx is always an error code. F >>>Listing an empty existing directory shouldn't return an error code. >>> @ >>>We will no further comment on this issue. Thank you for your  >>>understanding." >>> K >>>So, it looks like SmartFTP is off the list as a client for VMS, Cerberus C >>>appears to be a fine server, but I need a client.  So, any other K >>>suggestions?  Firezilla does the same thing I notice.  All the clients I 8 >>>have tried seem to stop when they get a 550 from VMS. >>> K >>The issue of 550 for an empty directory is a different issue from saying   >>that5 >>servers cannot issue a 550 reply to a LIST command. E >>As demonstrated more than just VMS ftp servers do the latter - for   >>situationsK >>where a directory doesn't exist or a particular file is specified on the   >>LIST >>command which doesn't exist.G >>(A GUI based FTP client may not need to know about this since it may  
 >>restrictL >>listing to the current directory and just move to the new directory beforeK >>listing it - but commandline ftp clients generally support listing files   >>inI >>other directories and even the specification of a full filename on the   >>LIST >>command).  >> >>K >>Whether Listing an empty directory should produce an error reply-code is, 0 >>as far as I am aware, not defined by the RFCs.$ >>It can easily be argued both ways. >>: >>Note. The default text associated with error 550 says :- >> >>Requested action not taken. 4 >>File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access) >> >>I >>There is no way for the client to know whether the directory really is   >>empty F >>or whether file protections prevent the user accessing files in the  >>directory.I >>Hence it can be argued that it is reasonable to return this code for an  >>apparently empty directory. L >>It is even more reasonable to return this error reply-code if the user hasH >>specified the full filename on the LIST command and the file does not 
 >>exist or >>is not accessible. >> >>K >>In any case an FTP client should comply with the robustness principle of   >>RFC  >>1123 section 1.2.2 >>D >>"Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" >> >> >>K >>I haven't used it myself but one of my colleagues seems to like Core FTP   >>LiteB >>which is a GUI based ftp client available for free download from+ >>http://www.snapfiles.com/get/coreftp.html  >>J >>(which seems to follow the robustness principle and just ignores the 550+ >>returned by VMS for the empty directory).  >> > F > I've just downloaded what I assumed was the ftp client you are using > smartFTP from # > http://www.smartftp.com/download/  >  > With >  > Alpha2:ucx sh ver  > @ >  Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 25 >  on a AlphaServer 2100 5/300 running OpenVMS V7.3-1  > F > and accessing directories on an ODS-5 disk I don't seem to have any 
 > problems > accessing an empty directory.  > = > And a quick check shows the same is true for an ODS-2 disk.  > 3 > Hence I'm not sure why you are getting a problem. G > Which version of TCPIP and VMS are you running the ftp server under ?  > H > By default the GUI client seems to move into the directory using a CWD8 > command and then issues the LIST command successfully. > K > If I stay in the top-level directory and type the full spec for the empty I > directory in the file-selection window then it seems to have no trouble J > displaying the empty directory - the LIST command completes successfully" > without any 550 being displayed. > I > I've just checked again using the VMS ftp client and it seems I made a   > small J > mistake it is only the ls command corresponding to NLST which returns a  > 550 8 > when accessing an empty sub-directory. The dir command >  > FTP> dir [.test] > 200 PORT command successful.= > 150 Opening data connection for [.test] (158.94.0.14,54856)  >  > Total of 0 files, 0/0 blocks > ' > 226 LIST Directory transfer complete. : > 32 bytes received in 00:00:00.01 seconds (2.84 Kbytes/s) > F > corresponding to LIST  does not return a 550 code but just an empty 
 > listing. >  >  >  >  >  > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >> >> >>	 >>>Cheers  >>> 1 >>>"Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate> wrote in message - >>>news:12gs1flfi0jls16@corp.supernews.com... G >>>> Thanks for that info, I have passed it on to the SmartFTP support  
 >>>> (without = >>>> names!) to see if that helps them sort this out for VMS.  >>>> >>>> Cheers  >>>>0 >>>> <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message+ >>>> news:eejp7r$ps9$1@south.jnrs.ja.net... ? >>>>> In article <12gmuf2rbaj5d4@corp.supernews.com>, "Gremlin" ! >>>>> <not-here@all.mate> writes: L >>>>>>My reading of the RFC, possibly flawed, is that for the LIST command, 	 >>>>>>550  >>>>>>isM >>>>>>not one of the "valid" returns from the server (OVMS).  Have I misread   >>>>>>or >>>>>>misunderstood this?  >>>>>> >>>>> K >>>>> What permanent error reply-code (ie 5xx number) do the manufacturers   >>>>> of2 >>>>> SmartFTP suggest an ftp server should send ? >>>>> K >>>>> Also note that RFC 959 is NOT the final word on all things to do with 
 >>>>> FTP.) >>>>> Please see RFC 1123 which states :-  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> " 9 >>>>> 4.1.2.11  FTP Replies: RFC-959 Section 4.2, Page 35  >>>>>  >>>>> K >>>>>            A Server-FTP MUST send only correctly formatted replies on K >>>>>            the control connection.  Note that RFC-959 (unlike earlier F >>>>>            versions of the FTP spec) contains no provision for a- >>>>>            "spontaneous" reply message.  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> K >>>>>            A Server-FTP SHOULD use the reply codes defined in RFC-959 F >>>>>            whenever they apply.  However, a server-FTP MAY use aI >>>>>            different reply code when needed, as long as the general L >>>>>            rules of Section 4.2 are followed. When the implementor hasH >>>>>            a choice between a 4xx and 5xx reply code, a Server-FTPJ >>>>>            SHOULD send a 4xx (temporary failure) code when there is 	 >>>>> any L >>>>>            reasonable possibility that a failed FTP will succeed a few >>>>>            hours later.  >>>>>  >>>>> "  >>>>> % >>>>> 550 Requested action not taken. E >>>>>             File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access).  >>>>> J >>>>> is a valid RFC 959 section 4.2 reply-code and hence MAY be used when
 >>>>> needed. K >>>>> The fact it is not listed against the LIST command in section 5.4 of  	 >>>>> rfc 	 >>>>> 959 G >>>>> would appear to be overridden by the above statement in RFC 1123.  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> David Webb >>>>> Security team leader
 >>>>> CCSS >>>>> Middlesex University >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>>= >>>>>>"Cluster-Karl" <karl.rohwedder@gmx.de> wrote in message C >>>>>>news:1158316788.056323.186190@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... " >>>>>>> Here is part of  RFC 959:0 >>>>>>> K >>>>>>> RFC 959                                                     October  >>>>>>> 1985 >>>>>>> File Transfer Protocol/ >>>>>>>         550 Requested action not taken. G >>>>>>>             File unavailable (e.g., file not found, no access).  >>>>>>> 5 >>>>>>> Btw. also the HGFTP client sends a 550 error.  >>>>>>>  >>>>>>> regards Kalle  >>>>>>>  >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>  >>>    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2006 21:42:10 -0700+ From: "thick_guy_9" <thick_guy_9@yahoo.com> ) Subject: how to backup installCDs to ISOs C Message-ID: <1158640930.704799.233500@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Guys, D We will be upgrading to 8.3 soon. While we are expecting the productG CDs, I would like to know how to take backups of the installation media 4 to ISOs (in case the original media gets corrupted)?    6 Will it be possible on Linux? Or is this VMS-specific?0 In linux we'd do: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=<blah.iso>  	 cheers...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:46:52 +0200 " From: "Dr. Dweeb" <spam@dweeb.net>/ Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers ; Message-ID: <450f13cc$0$147$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    Robert Deininger wrote: B > In article <450d334b$0$139$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, "Dr.  > Dweeb" <spam@dweeb.net> wrote: > G >> So, what happens when M$ finally desupports Win/Itanium and the 3 or ? >> 4 applications that might actually be useful running on this  >> platform ?? >> >> Dweeb > 7 > You seem to have wandered into the wrong newsgroup...   K I mean, what happens to Itanium when it no longer apears as part of the M$  K product set?  Relevant for an OS that *only* runs on this architecture and  ( upon which the future of said OS depends   Dweeb    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2006 22:09:38 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)/ Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers + Message-ID: <4n8jp2F8usmgU1@individual.net>   ; In article <450f13cc$0$147$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, % 	"Dr. Dweeb" <spam@dweeb.net> writes:  > Robert Deininger wrote: C >> In article <450d334b$0$139$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. ! >> Dweeb" <spam@dweeb.net> wrote:  >>H >>> So, what happens when M$ finally desupports Win/Itanium and the 3 or@ >>> 4 applications that might actually be useful running on this >>> platform ??  >>> 	 >>> Dweeb  >>8 >> You seem to have wandered into the wrong newsgroup... > M > I mean, what happens to Itanium when it no longer apears as part of the M$  M > product set?  Relevant for an OS that *only* runs on this architecture and  * > upon which the future of said OS depends >   C Because we are part of the MS Educational Alliance we get all their @ OSes and Development Tools.  I had my boss look today.  The lastD version of XP for Itanium was dated 2003.  While there was a version@ of Longhorn there is no version of Vista for the Itanium.  KindaE looks like we have passed that point already.  Surely even the people F here don't honestly think that VMS on Itanium sales amount to anything. the business world would consider significant?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:31:42 -0700 % From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> / Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers I Message-ID: <3f119ada0609181731w2c5388fegc4cfc301086ee8c3@mail.gmail.com>   F On 18 Sep 2006 22:09:38 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:E > Because we are part of the MS Educational Alliance we get all their B > OSes and Development Tools.  I had my boss look today.  The lastF > version of XP for Itanium was dated 2003.  While there was a version; > of Longhorn there is no version of Vista for the Itanium.   F An acquaintance in Seattle just got hired into a long-term contract byE HP, on the MS campus, to provide support to the IA64 group doing work  on MS SQL server for Itanium.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:57:13 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> / Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers 9 Message-ID: <4uydndYmRbla9ZLYnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@libcom.com>    DeanW wrote:H > On 18 Sep 2006 22:09:38 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:F >> Because we are part of the MS Educational Alliance we get all theirC >> OSes and Development Tools.  I had my boss look today.  The last G >> version of XP for Itanium was dated 2003.  While there was a version < >> of Longhorn there is no version of Vista for the Itanium. > H > An acquaintance in Seattle just got hired into a long-term contract byG > HP, on the MS campus, to provide support to the IA64 group doing work  > on MS SQL server for Itanium.   L So for itanic support, it's not Microsoft, but HP, who has to foot the bill?  H Hell, it's just like NT on Alpha again.  DEC had to pay for the support.  I Tell me again why Alpha was dropped in favor of this 'industry standard'   piece of shit?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:47:21 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable, Message-ID: <450ee9b9$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  F boy you guys sure read a lot into a broken network port in a building.L [there was a port that went non-functional on a switch in TAY. It got fixed] as for the OpenVMS server   K OpenVMS V7.3  on node VMS001  18-SEP-2006 14:38:47.65  Uptime  195 05:23:05   L 195 days ago was a planned site power shutdown for maintaince (probably will happen again in 170 days.    -warren     A "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote in message . news:450df29d$0$487$815e3792@news.qwest.net...1 > I suspect it's more a lack of caring about VMS.  >  > Mike Ober. > - > "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote in message ? > news:1158574996.997971.178190@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... J > > it appears to me that the hp OpenVMS Web site is not available. Again! > >  > > h71000.www7.hp.com > > = > > It's not a good demonstration of hp capabilties is it :-(  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:28:56 -0400 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable. Message-ID: <RtJPg.38310$_q4.30582@dukeread09>   warren sander wrote:H > boy you guys sure read a lot into a broken network port in a building.N > [there was a port that went non-functional on a switch in TAY. It got fixed] > as for the OpenVMS server  > M > OpenVMS V7.3  on node VMS001  18-SEP-2006 14:38:47.65  Uptime  195 05:23:05  > N > 195 days ago was a planned site power shutdown for maintaince (probably will > happen again in 170 days.   B As everybody knows, then complaining a favorite sport around here.  & It is possible to prevent such things.  A Two nodes, two NIC's each, two LAN's, two routers, two ISP's etc.   < Guess that this web site is not considered business critical by HP.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:29:23 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/ dead again?, Message-ID: <450F47F2.5E326928@teksavvy.com>   Neil Rieck wrote:  > ( > More network hardware problems at HP ? > J > At 6:15 (Eastern Time) today http://www.hp.com/ is alive from the public0 > side but http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/ is not.  4 At 21:25 EST, http://www.hp.com/go/vms works fine...  G Absolutely **undeniable** proof that VMS is better than OPENvms :-) :-)  :-) :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:41:59 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>6 Subject: Re: http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/ dead again?, Message-ID: <450ee877$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  L Hey here's a new one. Bad port on a switch. they changed the port and now it works.8 it wasn't the OpenVMS site just the entire TAY facility.  4 "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> wrote in messageB news:7dd80f60609180342m57544e0dx9868f5ca9c880f37@mail.gmail.com...@ > On 18 Sep 2006 03:27:38 -0700, Ian Miller <ijm@uk2.net> wrote:  > > unavailable from the UK too. > ( > At 6:41 am EDT, I can get to the site. >  > Ken    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:36:00 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>I Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever * Message-ID: <QqDPg.4465$wU4.1401@trnddc06>   Bob Koehler wrote:i > In article <j9KOg.37990$_q4.1270@dukeread09>, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:  >  >>Web Browsers: # >>   0/3 mainstream (IE, FF, Opera) ! >>   1 alternative available: Moz  >>  M Do Lynx, Mosaic (new version posted very recently), and old Netscape count as  alternative browsers?    >>Web Servers:! >>   1/2 mainstream (Apache, IIS) ( >>   2 alternatives available: OSU, WASD >  > G >    You may consider them "mainstream" for quite good reasons, but I'm # >    quite happy without IE or IIS!  >    Agreed!    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 18:02:00 GMT % From: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com> & Subject: Re: OT except that it's HP.../ Message-ID: <saBPg.149$jb7.76@news.cpqcorp.net>   " H Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> wrote:B > The HP3000 series was made obsolete within a year after the HP / > Compaq merger.  F While it may not have been intentional, the above suggests a cause andB effect relationship that my recollection does not support - MPE/iXA (previously known as MPE/XL - those being the "PA-RISC" MPE oses) E obsolescence being "in the works" rather before then.  Of course, the A "MPE" that would have been running in 1973 would have been a much E earlier MPE on the "classic HP 3000" hardware, which was obsoleted in B the very late 1980's or early 1990's after PA-RISC-based HP 3000's! running MPE/XL had replaced them.   E > There used to be a fairly active HP3000 newsgroup, not sure whether 3 > it was named after the platform or the os (MPX?).   ( comp.sys.hp.mpe  would be the newsgroup.  
 rick jones --  ? Process shall set you free from the need for rational thought.  F these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)D feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:47:06 +0200 # From: "H Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de> & Subject: Re: OT except that it's HP...4 Message-ID: <eemsve$gar$1@registered.motzarella.org>  4 "Rick Jones" <rick.jones2@hp.com> schreef in bericht) news:saBPg.149$jb7.76@news.cpqcorp.net... $ > H Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> wrote:D > > The HP3000 series was made obsolete within a year after the HP / > > Compaq merger. > H > While it may not have been intentional, the above suggests a cause andD > effect relationship that my recollection does not support - MPE/iXC > (previously known as MPE/XL - those being the "PA-RISC" MPE oses) G > obsolescence being "in the works" rather before then.  Of course, the C > "MPE" that would have been running in 1973 would have been a much G > earlier MPE on the "classic HP 3000" hardware, which was obsoleted in D > the very late 1980's or early 1990's after PA-RISC-based HP 3000's# > running MPE/XL had replaced them.  > G > > There used to be a fairly active HP3000 newsgroup, not sure whether 5 > > it was named after the platform or the os (MPX?).  > * > comp.sys.hp.mpe  would be the newsgroup. >  > rick jones > --  @ > Process shall set you free from the need for rational thought.H > these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)F > feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH...   Rick, K I nearly added "at about the same time when Alpha got cancelled". I left it L out because I just wasn't sure that was true. But I remember thinking at theE time of the merger that both parties each got rid of a rather unloved  product.K That said, these decisions weren't made in one week so they must have had a + long history and coincided with the merger.    Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:53:07 +0200 " From: "Dr. Dweeb" <spam@dweeb.net>& Subject: Re: Personal note - goodbye !; Message-ID: <450f1543$0$138$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote:F >> Anything you care to expound upon, or, even to tell me I'm just too >> damn suspicious?  >  > Mister Frobble,  > B > Your questions are best asked at a bar, after the person has hadG > enough drinks to start to trust you and start to spill the beans.  In F > this forum, such questions are perhaps not appropriate and you don'tC > want to force Guido into a difficult situation where he'd like to E > answer you, but it wouldn't be appropriate for him to do so. And if @ > the reality is not kind to HP, you can bet that he will find a' > politically correct way to answer it.  > ? > Note that there have been many other senior guys who left VMS D > engineering in the last couple of years to seek other carreers. SoH > Guido's departure is not the first one. It just so happens that he wasE > nice enough to tell us about it, whilst the others left quietly, or D > advised only a few people privately that they were leaving. Or youF > find out they have left because you attend a DECUS (or whatever nameE > they have this week) function and find representing a new employer.  > D > When people who have been there for an eternity leave now, even ifD > totally on their own, you have to wonder why the new employer (HP)= > isn't managing to retain them. Brains are HP's true assets.  > H > And unless VMS management comes to us  (the users) to ask for help, weF > cannot mount a campaign to help save VMS. And if VMS management sitsE > there without doing anything while HP erodes VMS engineering one by G > one and prevents VMS marketing etc, should we (the users) go over VMS @ > management's heads to work against VMS management to get HP to6 > actively change VMS management's strategy/policies ?  H " People are the most important asset of any business"  - J. C. Penny I  believe.  L Anyway, according The Inquirer, there will be 15,000 less assets at HP some 
 time soon.   Dweeb.     ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2006 14:14:50 -0700) From: "SamB" <sam.burrow@perkinelmer.com>  Subject: Promis to MS SQL B Message-ID: <1158614090.063602.24830@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>  D I am new to VMS and at the moment only know the initials (VMS);>)  IB have been tasked with finding a method of extracting our data fromF Promis MES (RMS database I believe) to MS SQL.  It is a 1 time effort.@ No one on the site (located 500 miles from me) has any technicalE knowledge of the system and as I said neither do I have any knowledge G of the system.  It seems best to find a person/service that can do this A one time effort.  We can provide access to the system via Fremont < California or Covina California offices.  Any input would be appreciated.   Sam    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2006 13:48:32 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) " Subject: Re: Quid Pro Quo Clarrice3 Message-ID: <cb$xS9q6W7Kr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <0i4bpTak192d@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: i > In article <eefo9a$hm7$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  >>  N >> Mostly, I ask technical questions, based on technical facts. Is it too muchO >> to ask for a technical response? If so then please don't respond to my posts 
 >> at all. > I >    When you post incomplete info, and someone tells you what we need to I >    know to give you a correct answer, thn he is HELPING you, whether it  >    suits your ego or not.   F And he does not help any of us when he posts (what he perceives to be): security vulnerabilities rather than reporting them to HP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:55:40 -0400 $ From: "islandco" <dturner@icusc.com> Subject: re free ds10l contest0 Message-ID: <12gtqtgpif8gpbe@news.supernews.com>  E Due to issues beyond control we are having relaying problems with our I icusc.com server. please send  your entry to dbturner@islandco.com thanks  --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2006 16:04:07 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ? Subject: Security Evaluation for some other HP operating system 3 Message-ID: <d0A4Wq6vlPwV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   9 HP has recently invested enough to get HP-UX evaluated at - Common Criteria Evaluation Assurance Level 4.   : http://www.gcn.com/print/25_28/41992-1.html?topic=security   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:42:12 -0600 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>C Subject: Re: Security Evaluation for some other HP operating system 6 Message-ID: <450f12b4$0$34081$815e3792@news.qwest.net>  F Interesting - in the past month I have seen multiple Sequoia Security 6 Advisories for HP-UX.  Hopefully for an older version.  
 Mike Ober.  ; "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message  - news:d0A4Wq6vlPwV@eisner.encompasserve.org... ; > HP has recently invested enough to get HP-UX evaluated at / > Common Criteria Evaluation Assurance Level 4.  > = > http://www.gcn.com/print/25_28/41992-1.html?topic=security     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:25:18 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> C Subject: Re: Security Evaluation for some other HP operating system I Message-ID: <8660a3a10609181725l35395629x797ea1a474ba7f87@mail.gmail.com>   M On 18 Sep 2006 16:04:07 -0500, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@spamcop.net> wrote: ; > HP has recently invested enough to get HP-UX evaluated at / > Common Criteria Evaluation Assurance Level 4.  > < > http://www.gcn.com/print/25_28/41992-1.html?topic=security >   < The article must have been talking about 11i v2 in May 2006.  ( I was shocked to see 11i certed in 2003.  B I've been pushing for this for years as the NCSC ratings are a bit long in the tooth.  F source:  http://www.commoncriteriaportal.org/public/consumer/index.php   name Hewlett-Packard HP-UX 11i / manufacturer	assurance level	certification date * Hewlett-Packard Company	EAL4	February 2003$ certification report	security target! CRP176.pdf	HP-UX_ST-issue_4-0.pdf    name  Hewlett-Packard Tru64 UNIX V5.1A/ manufacturer	assurance level	certification date * Hewlett-Packard Company	EAL1	February 2004$ certification report	security target CRP199.pdf	Tru64STIssue1.pdf   name HP-UX 11i v2/ manufacturer	assurance level	certification date & Hewlett-Packard Company	EAL4+	May 2006$ certification report	security target
 CRP225.pdf     WWWebb --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:36:39 GMT 6 From: "Schroeder, AJ" <ajschroeder@no-spamhotmail.com># Subject: Re: UNZIP Install for VMS? 6 Message-ID: <rYGPg.7149$Pa5.408@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>  8 "Steven M. Schweda" <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message , news:06091723281017_20200290@antinode.org...B > From: "Schroeder, AJ" <aaron.schroeder-no-spam@tmscomputers.com> > ; >> I have the C compiler on CD - I will have to install it.  > ( >   Once upon a time, it paid to look atG > "ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/C-CXX/", but that seems to be dead  > now. > J >> I tried to download the save set and sure enough - the file attributes  >> are
 >> jagged.K >> I also ran the command procedure that antinode has, and that didn't fix   >> the >> issue
 >> either. > C >   As usual, disclosing (exactly) what you did, and (exactly) what I > happened then, could be more useful than saying "I tried something, and  > it didn't work." >   A I suppose I should have told everyone that I am a VMS newbie? :-/   B Ok, here is what I did on the file downloaded from DJE's web page:  8 $ @RESET_BACKUP_SAVESET_FILE_ATTRIBUTES.COM UNZU2053.ZIP  0    Original file record length (217) is not 512.   $   ? Then I attempt to append the Alpha stub to the downloaded file: , $ copy sfx_axp.exe,unzu2053.zip unzu2053.exeK %COPY-W-INCOMPAT, SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.DOWNLOADS]UNZU2053.ZIP;1 (input) and   SYS$S C YSROOT:[SYSMGR.DOWNLOADS]UNZU2053.EXE;2 (output) have incompatible  
 attributesL %COPY-E-WRITEERR, error writing SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.DOWNLOADS]UNZU2053.EXE;2 -RMS-F-RSZ, invalid record size C %COPY-W-NOTCMPLT, SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.DOWNLOADS]UNZU2053.ZIP;1 not  
 completely co  pied $   H I went off of some other people suggestions and downloaded the freeware   UNZIP from the HP website. I ranG the command procedure that defines UNZIP (and a few other commands) as   foreign commands.   L That was pretty easy for a newbie to follow the freeware installation. I do ' not have help files, but if I run UNZIP # with no arguments I get the syntax.   L Next question, I assume that I have to re-define the foreign commands in my # login.com? Do I have to do that for  every user?     @ >   My (old) CNVB.COM procedure was intended to work with a fileI > downloaded by (binary) FTP, not HTTP, and the resulting file attributes H > tend to be different.  I believe that the procedure with the long nameE > from the Freeware collection is a bit more versatile.  Otherwise, a J > preliminary "set file /attribute = (lrl: 512, rfm: fix)" might align the: > file's attributes with the expectations of my procedure. > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 4 >   Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org5 >   382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818  >   Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:40:20 GMT 6 From: "Schroeder, AJ" <ajschroeder@no-spamhotmail.com># Subject: Re: UNZIP Install for VMS? 7 Message-ID: <U%GPg.7153$Pa5.3577@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>   K <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote in message news:TqyPg.131$O47.99@news.cpqcorp.net... I > In article <54kPg.1669$Pa5.857@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>, "Schroeder, AJ"  4 > <aaron.schroeder-no-spam@tmscomputers.com> writes: > |> Hello group,  > |>K > |> I just re-installed OpenVMS Alpha 8.2 onto my PWS and I need the UNZIP E > |> software. I googled it and I went to DJE Systems UNZIP page and   > downloadedJ > |> the re-packaged ZIP file and the appropriate stub. When I attempt to  > append4 > |> the stub onto the zip archive I get this error: > |>1 > |> $ COPY SFX_AXP.EXE,UNZU2053.ZIP UNZU2053.EXE  > @ >  What might you be trying to do here?  Unpack the unzip tools?@ > (The sequence you're following is obviously that of creating a> > self-extracting zip archive, which would imply you're either= > trying to create a version of unzip that unpacks itself, or 2 > you're trying to unpack a zip containing unzip.) >   1 I was following the instructions on this website:     http://www.djesys.com/unzip.html  K I am not trying to drag the maintainer of this website through the mud - I   am sure that I am < doing something quite wrong. The newbie factor is huge here.  E >  If your goal is to unpack the archive, there are pre-built zip and D > unzip images available from a variety of sources, including on theA > OpenVMS Freeware (on the CD disks and available at the web site F > <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/freeware/>, and at the master Info-ZipH > site <http://www.Info-Zip.Org>.  The OpenVMS FAQ has pointers to other* > distribution sites around the 'net, too. > D >  On the Freeware V8.0 distro and at the Freeware web site, look in3 > the [000tools] area for the core pre-built tools.   ? I went there and downloaded the 000tools directory and ran the  0 DEFINE_TOOLS.COM procedure and I now have UNZIP!  
 Thank you!   > L > |> %COPY-W-INCOMPAT, SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.DOWNLOADS]UNZU2053.ZIP;1 (input)  > and 
 > |> SYS$SG > |> YSROOT:[SYSMGR.DOWNLOADS]UNZU2053.ZIP;1 (output) have incompatible  > |> attributes  > B >  When last I looked, unzip 5.5-2 is current, and 6.0 is in test. >  >  >     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 00:47:41 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> # Subject: Re: UNZIP Install for VMS? D Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0609181845310.1820@localhost.localdomain>  ) On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Schroeder, AJ wrote:    > Ok, here is what I did ...  E Various things look wrong here, but it seems you got a working UNZIP  3 from someplace else, so it probably doesn't matter.   ? > Next question, I assume that I have to re-define the foreign  @ > commands in my login.com? Do I have to do that for every user?  B If you are making the command available to all users, it would be 0 appropriate to do it in SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM.     --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:01:38 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)# Subject: Re: UNZIP Install for VMS? 2 Message-ID: <06091821013872_20200290@antinode.org>  6 From: "Schroeder, AJ" <ajschroeder@no-spamhotmail.com>  * > >   Once upon a time, it paid to look atI > > "ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/C-CXX/", but that seems to be dead  > > now.  ?    Apparently, it's back now.  If your C compiler is older than ! V7.1-015, you might look into it.   C > I suppose I should have told everyone that I am a VMS newbie? :-/   E    Some of us were starting to guess.  (Old users always already have  UnZIp and Zip.)   N > Next question, I assume that I have to re-define the foreign commands in my % > login.com? Do I have to do that for 
 > every user?   H    SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM is one possibility.  I put this kind of thingF into a UTILITY directory (where UTILITY is a system logical name whichG points to some real directory).  I put the executables for lots of this F sort of program there, and then I have a UTILITY:UTILITY.COM procedureH which defines logical names and/or symbols (as appropriate) for them.  A7 normal user can then add "@ UTILITY:UTILITY.COM" to his B SYS$LOGIN:LOGIN.COM, and kill several birds with one stone, but it< remains optional (unlike things in SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM).  3 > I was following the instructions on this website:   B    Trust no one, I always say.  Lots of stuff works before passingH through FTP and/or HTTP, but not so much after.  VMS file attributes canE be very helpful or a pain in the pattoot, depending on circumstances.   F    It's all very educational, though.  And, of course, once you have aG working UnZip, the maximum educational value will be gained by building # Zip and UnZip from the source kits.      From: hoff@hp.nospam ()   C >   When last I looked, unzip 5.5-2 is current, and 6.0 is in test.   C    We call it 5.52, but yes.  And Zip 2.32 (with 3.0 in the works).   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2006 17:23:20 -07005 From: "rexdale1050@yahoo.ca" <rexdale118@hotmail.com>  Subject: VMS/Alpha V8.2 B Message-ID: <1158625400.077597.206330@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>  0 i would like to upgrade from vms 7.2 to vms  8.2 alphaserver ds 10  .? i am using  synergy dbl    vt 320 terminals    diskkeeper    hp  laserjet 5000 printers& la 120 printers   dec terminal servers4 is this a complete change over or only a few changes thanks for your help neil   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.514 ************************