1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 20 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 516       Contents: Comparing versions of the file" Re: Comparing versions of the file" Re: Comparing versions of the file: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06$ Re: how to backup installCDs to ISOs$ Re: how to backup installCDs to ISOs$ Re: how to backup installCDs to ISOs$ Re: how to backup installCDs to ISOs$ Re: how to backup installCDs to ISOs" How to check disk usage on VMS5.5?& Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5?& Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5?& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable 0 Re: Inquirer on VMS support outsourcing to India@ Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever non printable characters Re: non printable charactersB Re: Please Loot the Inforamtion/Mainframe Material at "MFRESOURCE"B Re: Please Loot the Inforamtion/Mainframe Material at "MFRESOURCE"B Re: Please Loot the Inforamtion/Mainframe Material at "MFRESOURCE" Re: SET COMMAND behaviour  Re: UNZIP Install for VMS?+ using HEXADECIMALS with HELP/MESSAGE/STATUS / Re: using HEXADECIMALS with HELP/MESSAGE/STATUS  Re: zx2000 ? Re: zx2000 ? Re: zx2000 ? Re: zx2000 ? Re: zx2000 ? Re: zx2000 ? Re: [JAVA] Installation problem   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2006 15:49:24 -0700& From: "Rohan" <rohan.bakshi@qwest.com>' Subject: Comparing versions of the file C Message-ID: <1158706164.643317.205250@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   A Is there a script to automatically compare versions of files in a G directory without having to give filenames as parameter in the command?    Thanks,  Rohan    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:17:00 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> + Subject: Re: Comparing versions of the file E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0609191813380.18808@localhost.localdomain>   ! On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Rohan wrote:   D > Is there a script to automatically compare versions of files in a A > directory without having to give filenames as parameter in the  
 > command?   $ HELP LEX F$SEARCH  $ DIF/PAR F$SEARCH ("*.*")  ' Press up-arrow and return as necessary.      --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:40:10 +0000 (UTC) ( From: John Forkosh <see@sig4address.com>+ Subject: Re: Comparing versions of the file , Message-ID: <eeq2la$9fc$1@reader1.panix.com>  % Rohan <rohan.bakshi@qwest.com> wrote: C : Is there a script to automatically compare versions of files in a I : directory without having to give filenames as parameter in the command? 	 : Thanks,  : Rohan   4 Save the following as vdiff.com and then @vdiff will6 diff every file (except .obj and .exe) in your default& directory that has an earlier version.  
 $ source = P1 ( $ if source .eqs. "" then source = "*.*" $ say := write sys$output  $ nfiles = 0 $ reset: $ on warning then goto reset $ on error then goto reset! $ on severe_error then goto reset 6 $ if nfiles .gt. 0 then say "Error diffing ",this_file $ next_file:' $       fspec = f$search("''source'",1) 0 $       if fspec .eqs. "" then goto end_of_files+ $       fdir = f$element(0,"]",fspec) + "]" 7 $       fname = f$element(0,".",f$element(1,"]",fspec)) H $       fext  = f$element(0,";",f$element(1,".",f$element(1,"]",fspec)))A $       if fext.eqs."OBJ" .or. fext.eqs."EXE" then goto next_file & $       this_file = "''fname'.''fext'") $       prev_file = "''fname'.''fext';-1" B $       if f$search("''prev_file'",2) .eqs. "" then goto next_file $       nfiles = nfiles + 1 H $       say "----------------------------------------------------------"& $       say nfiles,": diff ",this_file $       diff/par 'this_file' $ goto next_file $ end_of_files: B $ say "----------------------------------------------------------" $ say nfiles," files diffed."  $ exit --  > John Forkosh  ( mailto:  j@f.com  where j=john and f=forkosh )   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:58:31 +1000 ( From: Phaeton <phaeton@internode.on.net>C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 0 Message-ID: <12h1bijjmg397c1@corp.supernews.com>   Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > islandco wrote:  > 	 >> Sorry?  >>> >> As in a sorry excuse for a person or sorry as in apologetic: >> If the former, then don't expect to win a DS10L !   ;0) >> >> DT  >> > J > Oh, and do let us know when it's working again.  If it ever works again!  ? 	Methinks ( an oxymoron :-) ? )  that David is just testing the B 	market to see how many *potential* DS10L buyers are out there :-)  @ 	Shirley he could use one of those nice DS10L boxes, with VMS of< 	course, as a very efficient and reliable mail server :-) ??' 	With a proper registrar, naturally :-)   C                                                     Cheers,   Csaba   E --------------------------------------------------------------------- D    CSABA I. HARANGOZO    |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|    phaeton@internode.on.netE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:  '   Indecision is the key to flexibility.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:00:43 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 H Message-ID: <8660a3a10609192100w30bd140offe7085882e9d26a@mail.gmail.com>  F On 19 Sep 2006 15:45:18 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:< > In article <hpmdnWfsusJLk43YnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@comcast.com>,? >         "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:  > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > ? > >> In article <pMWdnUr1_aAIm43YnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com>, ? > >>      "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:  > >> > >>>islandco wrote: > >>>  > >>>  > >>>>Sorry folks  > >>>>' > >>>>I found out what the problem with  > >>>>$ > >>>>IT was NETWORK SOLUTIONS again > >>>>Q > >>>>We use NAT here - and the ICUSC.COM server was changed to point at our main @ > >>>>mailserver ISLANDCO.COM (icusc.com was then made an alias)P > >>>>Well, it was then for some UNKNOWN reason they changed it back to point at, > >>>>our secondary server the next morning.N > >>>>That is why your emails. and everyone elses that sent mail to me on thatF > >>>>address (we use this for dealer to dealer trading alerts mainly) > >>>> > >>>>Q > >>>>I am trying to get it rectified with NETSOL - they operate extremely slowly  > >>>>; > >>>>So, to avoid any unfair decisions, let's try it again  > >>>>R > >>>>This time we will give away 5 x DS10L systems per the original configuration$ > >>>>by end of day today 5:00PM EST > >>>>0 > >>>>Starting at 10:00am  September 19 2006 EST > >>>>I > >>>>I'll let you all know who the winners are tomorrow on the newsgroup  > >>>> > >>>>David  > >>>> > >>>> > >>>  > >>>You're still sorry David! > >>> K > >>>"A message (from <rgilbert88@comcast.net>) was received at 19 Sep 2006  > >>>14:42:54 +0000. > >>> 3 > >>>The following addresses had delivery problems:  > >>>  > >>><dturner@icusc.com>L > >>>     Permanent Failure: 550_5.7.1_Unable_to_relay_for_dturner@icusc.comE > >>>     Delivery last attempted at Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:42:55 -0000"  > >> > >>F > >> I got a bounced message too.  Guess I am just not destined to win" > >> one of these cool boxes.  :-( > >> > > L > > Didn't all David's mail troubles start when he replaced the DS10L he was7 > > using as a mailserver with an inferior product? ;-)  > K > Too bad they can't afford to hire me as their SysAdmin/Network Guru.  :-) K > I hear Savanah is a really nice place to live. (I only visited there once - > but I liked what I saw and so did my wife!)  >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h> >    Savannah *is* a nice place.   E But If you spell the name of their city wrong, they'll run you out of  town on a rail.    : - )    WWWebb   --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 23:41:10 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 + Message-ID: <4510B827.DE11D0A@teksavvy.com>    Phaeton wrote:I >         Shirley he could use one of those nice DS10L boxes, with VMS of E >         course, as a very efficient and reliable mail server :-) ?? 0 >         With a proper registrar, naturally :-)  C Since the winners of the contest have not yet been announced.... Mr G David is a very very very nice person. I repeat, he is a very very nice , person. Did I mention he was a nice person ?  F Heck, I am sure there are some of us who would volunteer to set one ofD his DS10Ls up with VMS to receive emails in exchange for a couple of free DS10Ls :-)   D However, the cost of a real VMS licence with all the necessary stuffE might be way too high compared to setting up an 8086 with Linux and a 6 more powerful email backbone with real spam filtering.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:38:07 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 9 Message-ID: <FY-dnTzJQLlDXo3YnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Phaeton wrote:J >>         Shirley he could use one of those nice DS10L boxes, with VMS ofF >>         course, as a very efficient and reliable mail server :-) ??1 >>         With a proper registrar, naturally :-)  > E > Since the winners of the contest have not yet been announced.... Mr I > David is a very very very nice person. I repeat, he is a very very nice . > person. Did I mention he was a nice person ?  < Just how far up his ass are you going to stick your nose JF?  H > Heck, I am sure there are some of us who would volunteer to set one ofF > his DS10Ls up with VMS to receive emails in exchange for a couple of > free DS10Ls :-)  > F > However, the cost of a real VMS licence with all the necessary stuffG > might be way too high compared to setting up an 8086 with Linux and a 8 > more powerful email backbone with real spam filtering.  H Your attention span is rather short.  He was running VMS on a DS10.  He  has a license.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:34:38 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 9 Message-ID: <FY-dnT3JQLmTXo3YnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > = >> In article <pMWdnUr1_aAIm43YnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com>, < >>     "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: >> >>> islandco wrote:  >>>  >>>  >>>> Sorry folks >>>>& >>>> I found out what the problem with >>>># >>>> IT was NETWORK SOLUTIONS again  >>>>H >>>> We use NAT here - and the ICUSC.COM server was changed to point at 
 >>>> our main ? >>>> mailserver ISLANDCO.COM (icusc.com was then made an alias) G >>>> Well, it was then for some UNKNOWN reason they changed it back to  
 >>>> point at + >>>> our secondary server the next morning. I >>>> That is why your emails. and everyone elses that sent mail to me on  	 >>>> that E >>>> address (we use this for dealer to dealer trading alerts mainly)  >>>> >>>>J >>>> I am trying to get it rectified with NETSOL - they operate extremely  >>>> slowly  >>>>: >>>> So, to avoid any unfair decisions, let's try it again >>>>D >>>> This time we will give away 5 x DS10L systems per the original  >>>> configuration# >>>> by end of day today 5:00PM EST  >>>>/ >>>> Starting at 10:00am  September 19 2006 EST  >>>>H >>>> I'll let you all know who the winners are tomorrow on the newsgroup >>>>
 >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>  >>> You're still sorry David!  >>> F >>> "A message (from <rgilbert88@comcast.net>) was received at 19 Sep  >>> 2006 14:42:54 +0000. >>> 2 >>> The following addresses had delivery problems: >>>  >>> <dturner@icusc.com> J >>>     Permanent Failure: 550_5.7.1_Unable_to_relay_for_dturner@icusc.comC >>>     Delivery last attempted at Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:42:55 -0000"  >> >>D >> I got a bounced message too.  Guess I am just not destined to win  >> one of these cool boxes.  :-( >> >> bill  >> > K > Didn't all David's mail troubles start when he replaced the DS10L he was  5 > using as a mailserver with an inferior product? ;-)  >    Possibility there.  :-)   = But you got me thinking.  He was running a DS10.  My limited  G understanding is that the major difference between that and a DS10L is  E the size of the box, number of PCI slots, and such.  Now he comes up  F with a bunch of DS10L systems.  Is it possible to replace some of the E hardware in the DS10 box with DS10L stuff and possibly get a working  E DS10 again?  Are the PCI sockets on the motherboard?  Just wondering.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2006 14:13:11 -04003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - Subject: Re: how to backup installCDs to ISOs . Message-ID: <mddu033bu88.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  , sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes:  H >    I have to explain the "Nero Burning ROM" joke to all my friends whoJ > understand even less German (and less about computers) than I do.  AfterH > the explanation, they usually don't find it as funny as I do, however.  O Eu!  Didn't know it was a German-originated program, and never thought of that. % Thanks, I think, for the information.    --  L Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2006 00:51:05 GMT) From: Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at> - Subject: Re: how to backup installCDs to ISOs 0 Message-ID: <eeqaao.43.1@usenet.bachner.priv.at>  + Steven M. Schweda <sms@antinode.org> wrote:    <snip>+ >    Those Germans sure are trouble-makers.  > H >    I have to explain the "Nero Burning ROM" joke to all my friends whoJ > understand even less German (and less about computers) than I do.  AfterH > the explanation, they usually don't find it as funny as I do, however.  G After all, except for the missing "E" after "ROM", the joke isn't very  9 German biased - "burning" for sure is an English word :-)    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:23:39 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)- Subject: Re: how to backup installCDs to ISOs 2 Message-ID: <06091920233985_20200290@antinode.org>  ) From: Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at>   : > >    I have to explain the "Nero Burning ROM" joke [...]  I > After all, except for the missing "E" after "ROM", the joke isn't very  ; > German biased - "burning" for sure is an English word :-)   G    The problem comes when "ROM" means only Read-Only Memory, and "Rome" F (Italy) is always spelled with an "e".  An English-only speaker is notE likely to make the connection.  (Or, perhaps my friends are unusually - dense.  There's some evidence for that, too.)     / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com>   C > One thing that Nero is particularly good for is burning copies of E > Pathworks32 CDs which are dual-format.  I know it's **possible** to E > burn a dual-format CD with CDRECORD, but I've never done it and the 4 > instructions make it sound like a pain in the ass.  G    Making a _copy_ of any CD-ROM is easy with cdrecord (and any program H which can raw-read a CD).  The tricky thing is creating an original disc: image, from which to create an original multi-format disc.  A    I normally do all my CD-ROM copying (Mac, Solaris, Tru64, VMS, G Windows, or whatever) on my VMS system using my qreadcd program (or the D cdrtools readcd program) and cdrecord.  Neither program looks at theG structure of the data on the disc, so it doesn't matter what the format B is, and I can use any name I like for the intermediate image file.  C    I've never had the need to puzzle out the method for creating an D original multi-format disc image, but I, too, found the instructionsG intimidating.  (I always thought that I could figure them out if I ever / had the need.  It could still happen, someday.)   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:43:03 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)- Subject: Re: how to backup installCDs to ISOs 2 Message-ID: <06091922430317_20200290@antinode.org>  .    Oops.  Sorry.  Sloppy copy-paste operation.  $ > [...]  (For VMS, see, for example,2 > "http://antinode.org/dec/sw/qreadcd.htm".  [...]  C    That should have been "http://antinode.org/dec/sw/qreadcd.html".   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2006 21:23:26 -0700+ From: "thick_guy_9" <thick_guy_9@yahoo.com> - Subject: Re: how to backup installCDs to ISOs B Message-ID: <1158726206.444244.228320@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   thanks gentlemen.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2006 22:07:42 -0700 From: "zdk" <nx2zdk@gmail.com>+ Subject: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5? C Message-ID: <1158728862.654810.320270@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   ; I'm very very newbie to VMS,and I've never checked the disk > free-space,so right now I'd like to check the disk space on myF VMS5.5.I've already tried to search via Google (also this group),but IF didn't found any how to (for silly user like me :) .. (for my system,ID found my disk called "DUB0" ??,but I'm really not sure how to use in VMS command) .. - -"  ( could anyone give me an obvious example?D any help or suggestion about this would be greatly appriciated.Thank you very much.   Warachet S.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:30:36 -0400 - From: Jf Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5? , Message-ID: <4510D1C6.AEC49178@teksavvy.com>  
 zdk wrote: > = > I'm very very newbie to VMS,and I've never checked the disk 
 > free-space,    $ SHOW DEV D  H This will list and disk drives and for those that are mounted, will show& the number of free blocks (512 bytes).  ? SHOW DEV DUxx/FULL will give you more information on the drive, I including the total number of blocks, and number of blocks that are free.   F 2 blocks = 1 K. So divide the number of free blocks by 2000 to get the number of megabytes available.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2006 22:42:31 -0700 From: "zdk" <nx2zdk@gmail.com>/ Subject: Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5? C Message-ID: <1158730951.040718.288970@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   B Thanks a lot.. :)  ..I'm going to try following your suggestion...   Jf Mezei wrote:  > zdk wrote: > > ? > > I'm very very newbie to VMS,and I've never checked the disk  > > free-space,  >  > $ SHOW DEV D > J > This will list and disk drives and for those that are mounted, will show( > the number of free blocks (512 bytes). > A > SHOW DEV DUxx/FULL will give you more information on the drive, K > including the total number of blocks, and number of blocks that are free.  > H > 2 blocks = 1 K. So divide the number of free blocks by 2000 to get the  > number of megabytes available.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:44:41 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> / Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers 9 Message-ID: <FY-dnT_JQLn1WI3YnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Tom Linden wrote: H > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:26:44 -0700, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  > wrote: >  >> Larry Kilgallen wrote: J >>> In article <4uydndYmRbla9ZLYnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble ! >>> <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  >>> D >>>> Tell me again why Alpha was dropped in favor of this 'industry  >>>> standard'; >>>  Because Intel paid enough money to make it profitable.  >>2 >> And what about when Intel gets tired of paying? >>I >> It's like repelling down the side of a cliff, without having measured  8 >> the cliff and rope to insure the rope is long enough. >> > rappel  H I wondered whether I had the spelling correct.  Guess not.  Regardless, L if the rope is too short, no matter how you spell it you got a problem.  :-)   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:02:43 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable, Message-ID: <451014a3$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  G when the site first went live in 1995 it was a dual as200 4/233 cluster  using a ba353 pizza box scsiK disk setup. It wasn't even a legal config but it worked in the budget I had 
 for the site.   J For 2 years we ran a cluster and basicly found that the 2nd node was never used and actually slowedL down the couple of power failures we had waiting for the cluster to form. We decided to donate the secondK alpha to the folks running the facility to setup 'search.digital.com' since # we wanted a digital wide search but H didn't have any money to get systems and didn't want to wait through the budget cycles to get money.   L Since then the site has run fine as a standalone system. It's actually still running the cluster alias and L while vaxcluster is turned off the site and system disk are setup to be in a cluster.    0 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message( news:RtJPg.38310$_q4.30582@dukeread09... > warren sander wrote:J > > boy you guys sure read a lot into a broken network port in a building.I > > [there was a port that went non-functional on a switch in TAY. It got  fixed] > > as for the OpenVMS server  > > F > > OpenVMS V7.3  on node VMS001  18-SEP-2006 14:38:47.65  Uptime  195 05:23:05 > > K > > 195 days ago was a planned site power shutdown for maintaince (probably  will > > happen again in 170 days.  > D > As everybody knows, then complaining a favorite sport around here. > ( > It is possible to prevent such things. > C > Two nodes, two NIC's each, two LAN's, two routers, two ISP's etc.  > > > Guess that this web site is not considered business critical > by HP. >  > Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:41:08 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable9 Message-ID: <oJXPg.183$1h3.109@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:  E > Maybe not, but in my one man shop it wouldn't have stayed down that G > long.  Surely an operation like that has 24 hour network coverage and  > available spare parts?  D I don't know where some folks work but I do know that in most major H companies a network outage to a facility hosting live services would be B *immediately* noticed by network monitoring folks and appropriate G recovery action taken including getting folks out of bed. Things would  I only be "left-alone" if and only if the network recovery plan explicitly  E marked the failed service(s) as non-critical or office hours only or   similar.  H Trying to run a network any other way is asking for trouble. You cannot H have network monitoring systems that don't spot failures and you cannot H have network management folk decide how critical an end site/service is  by themselves.  G Now maybe all this did happen in the case of the network outage but it  E still took a few hours but was within the allowed recovery time. How  % long was the service down for anyway.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:54:05 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable; Message-ID: <xVXPg.15630$wg.2548@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:   D > HP *makes* network switches.  This isn't an adverstisement for HP  > switches either!!!!   B Never mind that, HP is one of the one of the biggest suppliers of H network monitoring software which is designed to spot exactly this sort 	 of thing!   F > Maybe there's a reason why I've NEVER seen an HP switch except as a % > picture in a PC Connection catalog.      --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:22:59 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable, Message-ID: <45105190.915AB6CA@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:J > The information that potential students (ie. potential paying customers)H > use to decide at which school they are going to pay their tuition.  OrF > are you another one of those people who don't think that Univerities > aren't really businesses.   G Or students having to download homework/documents from the school's web E site. If it is down, they can't do the homework that is due tomorrow.   H Or student registration period where they must choose their courses etc.; Some educational institutions offer this on their web site.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:20:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable, Message-ID: <4510510E.B14207D1@teksavvy.com>   A few comments:   D I didn't say that the outages meant HGP was out to kill VMS. Someone- tried to put that argument as mine. It isn't.   D One needs to consider that this isn't an isolated outage. There haveB been a few outages of late. All requiring a number of hours to fixE something that is apparently simple. (in other words, nobody on site, 6 and/or no software to detect faults and beep someone).   Re: mission critical nature:    H If you were a cutsomer with an important problem and the CSC told you toF download something from ask the wizzard or FAQ or the freeware to findG an example on how to resolve your problem, you'd think it were critical ? that the VMS site was down during the very period where you can 0 implement changes on your own system (weekends).  G ebay or myspace don't sell computers, they don't sell services to build A reliable systems, they don't claim to be such experts in disaster F tolerance that they want to sell their expertise. HP does. So wheneverE one of HO's customer facing systems goes down, it devalues HP's image A with regards to its capabilities to build truly reliable systems.   B And if the VMS servers are physically located in a lights-out data, centre, then they should be equipped for it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:44:42 -0400 3 From: Jonathan Boswell <jsbNOSP@M.ost.cdrh.fda.gov> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable1 Message-ID: <451056BA.4080003@M.ost.cdrh.fda.gov>    warren sander wrote:I > when the site first went live in 1995 it was a dual as200 4/233 cluster  > using a ba353 pizza box scsiM > disk setup. It wasn't even a legal config but it worked in the budget I had   H Huh?  What's illegal about it?  The embedded SCSI controller in mine is / a supported cluster storage interconnect, IIRC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:26:25 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable< Message-ID: <45105ecf$0$24207$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  6 "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote in message 5 news:xVXPg.15630$wg.2548@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...  > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > E >> HP *makes* network switches.  This isn't an adverstisement for HP   >> switches either!!!! > L > Never mind that, HP is one of the one of the biggest suppliers of network K > monitoring software which is designed to spot exactly this sort of thing!  > C Hey, aren't you referring to the Agilent division spun off in 1999?    :-)   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:43:45 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable, Message-ID: <45102c52$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  $ in some respects you are correct JF.  E The OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX servers are pretty unique in the HP world. B They are running on their own servers running their own base OS's.  K I have had many chances/requests/cajoling/demands and ultimatums to put the  OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX serversI onto the HP.COM infrastructure for many of the reasons people have given. , HP.COM is 24x7 it's multiple server farms inJ multiple countries. (14 for those who really want to know). I own sites on' the hp.com servers and they do stay up.   H But OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX have always wanted their web servers on their OS's and have pushed back to my J mgmt to leave them there. That entails some risks. single point of failure1 is one of those risks. It's been accepted because L having the server run on the OS is important to show that OpenVMS (and Tru64 UNIX) can do these jobs.  I Some things would be easier for me if I didn't have to take care of these , OS's. But then again I would be less unique.  L In the coming months the old compaq.com infrastrucure sites (a number of the) H18xxx.www1 servers) will be migrating to J the hp.com infrastruture as part of HP's data center consolidation. I will2 be moving the AlphaServer site from where it's satJ since 1999 on a windows based system to the unix based hp.com servers. (it; was moved from unix to windows when digital.com merged into D compaq.com). Doing this means I have to re-examine all the links andL filenames cause windows syntax isn't unix syntax. This shouldn't be too hard5 cause those that did the site before me were careful.   J There has been some push to move the OS's to other publishing tools, again4 OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX are outside of the publishing% process's used by the rest of HP.com.   E At some point in the data center consolidation process I will need to J relocate the servers. I'm trying to stay away from that process as long asL possible as there are others in hp.com who are working that process and haveG gotten my input. but it's an issue around relocation of the servers, ip 9 address, cnames, downtime for move, support, etc etc etc.   E all this stuff is very near and dear to our hearts but not so much to  others.   L We do set back our cause when we feel slighted cause OpenVMS isn't mentionedJ but then we feel even more slighted when OpenVMS is only mentioned once orH twice. I'm not saying you all shouldn't be vocal but pick your places. AI network outage isn't the time to say that HP is killing OpenVMS. Not less H than 2 weeks after OpenVMS was part of a major announcement and got someI good press. Hey, if HP was killing OpenVMS would you have gotten your new < kits BEFORE the announcement? when has that happened before?  I And yes please let me know if you can't get to the server for a couple of K hours (if I haven't put a notice up in comp.os.vms about a planned outage).       : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:45101D9C.52C3DF43@teksavvy.com... > Richard Brodie wrote: D > > web site offline for several hours. The obvious (though probablyE > > wrong) conclusion is that it doesn't rate 24x7 network ops cover.  >  > H > There could be a lot of politics/history into this. If this web serverG > is of Digital origins and located in former Digital facilities, there H > may have been a conssious decision to leave it there. Could be so thatH > Digits would better control it, could be because nobody at the real HPH > facility have knowledge of operating a VMS machine, could be many many > other reasons. > B > But the end result is that customers notice the outages.  If theF > facility does not have operators 7/24, then it should have redundantA > hardware/network setups to make outages invisible to customers.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:37:20 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailableB Message-ID: <0001HW.C1363DC00054AE0CF02845B0@mac.sture.homeip.net>  4 On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:54:05 +0200, Alan Greig wrote= (in article <xVXPg.15630$wg.2548@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>):    > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > E >> HP *makes* network switches.  This isn't an adverstisement for HP   >> switches either!!!! > D > Never mind that, HP is one of the one of the biggest suppliers of J > network monitoring software which is designed to spot exactly this sort  > of thing!  >    Cobbler's shoes syndrome?   H Which reminds me of the time I saw a type written invoice for a pair of $ 11-780s ;.) (no it wasn't from DEC). --     ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2006 23:59:09 GMT) From: Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable0 Message-ID: <eeq79c.43.1@usenet.bachner.priv.at>  + warren sander <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote:   A > when the site first went live in 1995 it was a dual as200 4/233 2 > cluster using a ba353 pizza box scsi disk setup. <snip>  H Wow - if I get my second AS200 off the shelf, blow the dust off it, and D plug it to the first AS200 and the pizza box, I can claim to run my 9 webserver on the same configuration as DEC did in '95...    I Though there's not yet really much on it yet, it's more of a placeholder   than a website :-)   Hans http://b.it.co.at    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2006 00:00:31 GMT) From: Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable0 Message-ID: <eeq7bu.43.1@usenet.bachner.priv.at>  + warren sander <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote:   H > boy you guys sure read a lot into a broken network port in a building.G > [there was a port that went non-functional on a switch in TAY. It got " > fixed] as for the OpenVMS server > D > OpenVMS V7.3  on node VMS001  18-SEP-2006 14:38:47.65  Uptime  195 > 05:23:05   > ? > 195 days ago was a planned site power shutdown for maintaince * > (probably will happen again in 170 days. <snip>    ; Well, 'nough time to upgrade it to a multi-site cluster :-)    Hans.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:50:30 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable< Message-ID: <4510aac5$0$24211$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  6 "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote in message 2 news:22_Pg.628$PD.202@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk... > Neil Rieck wrote:  > F >> Hey, aren't you referring to the Agilent division spun off in 1999? > M > I'm talking about the HP OpenView Network Management tools just in case of   > confusion. >   M Sorry about that. When I think back to all the cool networking stuff Agilent  5 provided I always seem to forget about HP's OpenView.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:08:17 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable9 Message-ID: <APWdnfmMOcNsV43YnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Alan Greig wrote:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > F >> Maybe not, but in my one man shop it wouldn't have stayed down thatH >> long.  Surely an operation like that has 24 hour network coverage and >> available spare parts?  > F > I don't know where some folks work but I do know that in most major J > companies a network outage to a facility hosting live services would be D > *immediately* noticed by network monitoring folks and appropriate I > recovery action taken including getting folks out of bed. Things would  K > only be "left-alone" if and only if the network recovery plan explicitly  G > marked the failed service(s) as non-critical or office hours only or  
 > similar. > J > Trying to run a network any other way is asking for trouble. You cannot J > have network monitoring systems that don't spot failures and you cannot J > have network management folk decide how critical an end site/service is  > by themselves. > I > Now maybe all this did happen in the case of the network outage but it  G > still took a few hours but was within the allowed recovery time. How  ' > long was the service down for anyway.  >   H A couple of things occur to me.  The first is that such outages seem to A be noticed rather quickly.  That would indicate that there are a  F significant number of users of the VMS web site.  That would indicate . significant interest in VMS.  Not a bad thing.  I Warren has posted that the web servers have been kept 'in-house' and not  H grouped with the majority of HP's web servers.  I can understand HP not I replicating a web server capability that may be rather disaster tolerant  I just for a few mavericks who want to keep their web server separate.  So  I what do you want?  Move the server to an 'outside' (with respect to VMS)  I location and have the people there 'make a command decision' to move the  D web site to a windoz box?  That would be the first thing I'd expect.  F Me, I'll vote for Warren keeping the site on a VMS server, even if it ' means less tolerance to network issues.   C And it sure isn't mission critical!  Marketing critical maybe, but  D nobody is going to die if the site goes down.  Well, maybe JF if he  keeps complaining.  :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:17:02 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable9 Message-ID: <89udnWR0AMlhUY3YnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:- > In article <4nao55F9ginmU3@individual.net>, - > 	bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: 6 >> In article <2tprmu2VqnuC@eisner.encompasserve.org>,A >> 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: _ >>> In article <451013F1.90C5A9B@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > >>>> Sorry, but a business critical system gets 24/7 support. H >>>    Says who?  I've got business critical systems that don't get used> >>>    363 days of the year.  When we need them, we need them. >>> I >>>    More to the point, who says those web sites are business critical? E >>>    What does that school have on its web site that's so critical? K >> The information that potential students (ie. potential paying customers) I >> use to decide at which school they are going to pay their tuition.  Or G >> are you another one of those people who don't think that Univerities 1 >                                           ^^^^^ 5 > ooops...                                Remove this  >  >> aren't really businesses.   Yep, he's from PA.  :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:12:01 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable9 Message-ID: <APWdnfiMOcNNVo3YnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > A few comments:  > F > I didn't say that the outages meant HGP was out to kill VMS. Someone/ > tried to put that argument as mine. It isn't.  > F > One needs to consider that this isn't an isolated outage. There haveD > been a few outages of late. All requiring a number of hours to fixG > something that is apparently simple. (in other words, nobody on site, 8 > and/or no software to detect faults and beep someone). >  > Re: mission critical nature:   > J > If you were a cutsomer with an important problem and the CSC told you toH > download something from ask the wizzard or FAQ or the freeware to findI > an example on how to resolve your problem, you'd think it were critical A > that the VMS site was down during the very period where you can 2 > implement changes on your own system (weekends).  + I hate it when JF makes a valid point.  :-)   I > ebay or myspace don't sell computers, they don't sell services to build C > reliable systems, they don't claim to be such experts in disaster H > tolerance that they want to sell their expertise. HP does. So wheneverG > one of HO's customer facing systems goes down, it devalues HP's image C > with regards to its capabilities to build truly reliable systems.  > D > And if the VMS servers are physically located in a lights-out data. > centre, then they should be equipped for it.  F And if they are in a cubby-hole, serviced by only one person, is that * person allowed to get any sleep?  At home?  G How many times in the last year has this happened?  For how much total  
 down time?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:15:40 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable9 Message-ID: <89udnWV0AMkxUY3YnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Bob Koehler wrote:J >>> school and not a real business, I can assure you that if the webserverL >>> went down for any reason, hardware, software, network, anything, I would' >>> have to come into work and fix it.   > G >>    It says they have a better grip on reality than the folks at your 
 >>    school.  >  > G > Sorry, but a business critical system gets 24/7 support. And it means I > that a business critical system has some operator on site 24/7. So even J > though the system manager may be at home, when something goes bad, he isJ > beeped and he then gets the opertator to checks things on site for him.  >  > I > I am quite sure that the main HP web sites get that treatment. The "egg H > on face" PR disaster should the media ever notice an HP web site being > down would be too great. > J > I suspect that the VMS web site is off-site (from HP's main data centre)G > and doesn't have any 24/7 presence/support. In such a case though, it 6 > really should have fully redundant hardware/network.  ; I think Warren has already indicated that this is the case.   H > Perhaps, the next time the VMS site goes down, people here should sendD > the warnings to the Inquirer instead of comp.os.vms and see how HP4 > reacts when it makes the headlines in the morning.  H Yeah, right!  The first thing they'll do is shitcan the site running on D VMS, bring it into their main web server location(s), and run it on H windoz.  The next time you want to advocate something stupid, go take a I bike ride instead.  Hmmm......  if you follow that advice, you'll be the   next Lance Armstrong.  :-)   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:27:54 -0400 - From: Jf Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable, Message-ID: <4510D124.34945A78@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:- > I hate it when JF makes a valid point.  :-)   F Don't worry, it doesn't happen often :-)  (and on your line, it should have been a :-(    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:45:52 -0400 - From: Jf Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable, Message-ID: <4510D559.C2AE0D8D@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:I > Yeah, right!  The first thing they'll do is shitcan the site running on E > VMS, bring it into their main web server location(s), and run it on  > windoz.     E That is a really tough decision.  There are advantages to both sides.   F If you do choose to have VMS run on VMS, then perhaps it could be usedE to showcase VMS's ability to cluster across distant buildings (within F new england). This would add a greater amount of availability. And the< VMS group  *might* be able to afford a DS10L from Island :-)  E If you're going to be using the web site to showcase VMS's abilities, 6 you might as well go all out and really showcase them.  ? >The next time you want to advocate something stupid, go take a J > bike ride instead.  Hmmm......  if you follow that advice, you'll be the > next Lance Armstrong.  :-)  F Sorry, am not into drugs (unless you consider chocolate to be a drug).   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2006 20:54:06 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com 9 Subject: Re: Inquirer on VMS support outsourcing to India , Message-ID: <eeplde02c18@enews2.newsguy.com>  ) Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote: , > In article <450f06bb@usenet01.boi.hp.com>,8 >         Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> writes:  J > >    An OpenVMS port to Intel IA-32e/AMD AMD64/x86-64/etc, nor any plans, > > for same, is not something I'm aware of.  I > So you keep saying, but people here just can't read the writting on the  > wall!   F And what writting on the wall are you talking about, or are you simply9 refering to things which you have no actual knowledge of?    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:53:30 -0400 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>I Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever ' Message-ID: <Rp%Pg.10$2g4.4@dukeread09>    John Santos wrote:1 >> In article <j9KOg.37990$_q4.1270@dukeread09>,  < >> =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: >>> Web Browsers: $ >>>   0/3 mainstream (IE, FF, Opera)" >>>   1 alternative available: Moz > G > Do Lynx, Mosaic (new version posted very recently), and old Netscape  
 > count as > alternative browsers?   & Probably depends on who is is asking !  2 I would say they do not meet standard requirements for browsers today.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:56:11 -0400 - From: "Joe the Aroma" <schizam2001@yahoo.com> ! Subject: non printable characters ? Message-ID: <4510589a$0$572$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>   K How would I go about sending the non-printable characters for "down arrow"  L and "the gold key" into a VMS command file? I've figured that "^I" seems to  be the "do" character.     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:06:52 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: non printable characters , Message-ID: <451069E3.BF3872CE@teksavvy.com>   Joe the Aroma wrote:L > How would I go about sending the non-printable characters for "down arrow". > and "the gold key" into a VMS command file?    $  $ESC[0,8] = %1B  $CSI[0,8] = %9B  or $CSI = ESC + "[" $!, $SS3 = ESC + "O"		! Uppercase O as in Oscar  $! $DOWN_ARROW = CSI + "B"  $GOLD_KEY =  SS3 + "P" $!  - $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Down arrow: ''DOWN_ARROW'" ) $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "GOLD_KEYL ''GOLD_KEY'"    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2006 11:58:08 -0700$ From: "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>K Subject: Re: Please Loot the Inforamtion/Mainframe Material at "MFRESOURCE" C Message-ID: <1158692288.367779.131790@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>     ArkGunSlinger@hotmail.com wrote: > Sri wrote:7 > > MFRESOURCE -New Yahoo Group for Mainframe Resources , > > MFRESOURCE is Mainframe Resources Group: > > : > > Group useful for Mainframe Materials & Mainframe Jobs. > > ; > > Related Link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mfresource/ , > > Post message: mfresource@yahoogroups.com3 > > Subscribe: mfresource-subscribe@yahoogroups.com  > > = > > Mainframe Job Postings in INDIA & US and other Countries.  > > J > > This Group is Useful for people who are attending Mainframe interviewsI > > and Professionals working in Mainframe Skills specifically working on  > > the following Skills:  > > C > > COBOL JCL VSAM CICS,DB2 IMS DB/DC IDMS ADABAS/NATURAL, ENDEVOR, J > > FILE-AID, XPEDITOR COOLGEN ADABAS EZYTREIVE FOCUS MQSERIES NATURAL REXD > > SAS TSO DATACOM ADSO IDMS ABENDAID CA7 CHANGEMAN FILEAID INFOMAN- > > INTERTEST PANAVALET STROBE XMODS XPEDITOR  > > @ > > JOBS MVS,OS/390,Z/OS,S390,OS390,ZOS,JCL,VSAM, COBOL,PL1,CICS > >  > > Thanks & Regards,  > > Group Moderator. >  >  > "Loot the Inforamtion"?   7 You expecting spammers and trolls to know how to spell?    Mickey   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:32:11 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> K Subject: Re: Please Loot the Inforamtion/Mainframe Material at "MFRESOURCE" * Message-ID: <451045BB.1060603@comcast.net>  
 Mickey wrote:   " > ArkGunSlinger@hotmail.com wrote: >  >>Sri wrote: >>6 >>>MFRESOURCE -New Yahoo Group for Mainframe Resources+ >>>MFRESOURCE is Mainframe Resources Group:  >>> 9 >>>Group useful for Mainframe Materials & Mainframe Jobs.  <snip> >  > 9 > You expecting spammers and trolls to know how to spell?  >  > Mickey > F Was it really necessary to quote the entire text of the original spam?     Trim, trim, trim.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2006 13:52:46 -0700$ From: "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>K Subject: Re: Please Loot the Inforamtion/Mainframe Material at "MFRESOURCE" A Message-ID: <1158699166.083483.17010@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > Mickey wrote:  > $ > > ArkGunSlinger@hotmail.com wrote: > >  > >>Sri wrote: > >>8 > >>>MFRESOURCE -New Yahoo Group for Mainframe Resources- > >>>MFRESOURCE is Mainframe Resources Group:  > >>> ; > >>>Group useful for Mainframe Materials & Mainframe Jobs.  > <snip> > >  > > ; > > You expecting spammers and trolls to know how to spell?  > > 
 > > Mickey > > H > Was it really necessary to quote the entire text of the original spam?  G Sorry, my bad. Didn't see it as I was posting via Google which hides it $ unless one specifically asks for it.   Mickey   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 22:48:25 +0300 ; From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@bruden.com> " Subject: Re: SET COMMAND behaviour9 Message-ID: <45103c88$0$19616$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>   C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message & news:451027ee$1@news.langstoeger.at...G > In article <450fe8bf$0$19707$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, "Guy Peleg" 1 <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@bruden.com> writes: F > >"Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message& news:450ffed9$1@news.langstoeger.at...G > >> I just noted a (for me unexpected) behaviour of SET COMMAND. I did  > >>F > >> $ SET COM/TAB=SYS$SHARE:DCLTABLES/OUT=SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB] TDC$DCL > >>J > >> and got a %CDU-E-OPENIN (RMS-E-FNF, I had the default dir wrong). Ok.H > >> But though I got a -E- abort, I got a new version of the DCLTABLES. > >>' > >> Is this intended behaviour of CDU?  > >  > >Sounds like a bug.  > # > Thanks. But who fixes it now? ;-)   8 If you have a valid support contract file a call, if not# send mail to DCL@REMOVE_THIS_HP.COM  >  > >What VMS version? >  > OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 > 9 > >Are there any differences between the existing version  > >and the newly created one?  >  > DIFF finds none. >  > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist       --  = Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2006 22:44:59 GMT) From: Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at> # Subject: Re: UNZIP Install for VMS? 0 Message-ID: <eeq2ua.43.1@usenet.bachner.priv.at>  5 Schroeder, AJ <ajschroeder@no-spamhotmail.com> wrote:    <snip>  D > Ok, here is what I did on the file downloaded from DJE's web page: > : > $ @RESET_BACKUP_SAVESET_FILE_ATTRIBUTES.COM UNZU2053.ZIP  K Well, as the name of that DCL procedure suggests, it's intended for BACKUP  J savesets (produced by the OpenVMS BACKUP utility), not for zip files. zip 1 files are fine with a record length of 512 bytes.   E If you had appended the original (unchanged) zip file to SFX_AXP.EXE  # everything should have worked fine.    Hans.    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2006 21:40:16 -0700+ From: "thick_guy_9" <thick_guy_9@yahoo.com> 4 Subject: using HEXADECIMALS with HELP/MESSAGE/STATUSC Message-ID: <1158727216.145343.175950@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    Guys  F HELP HELP/MESSAGE/STATUS says we CAN use Hexas to view the message for a given status code.   Why then, does the below fail?  $ help/message/status=0x17649a018 %DCL-W-NUMBER, invalid numeric value - supply an integer
  \0X17649A01\  $    thx    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 05:17:02 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>8 Subject: Re: using HEXADECIMALS with HELP/MESSAGE/STATUS+ Message-ID: <i94Qg.21779$4a3.3201@trnddc07>    thick_guy_9 wrote: > Guys > H > HELP HELP/MESSAGE/STATUS says we CAN use Hexas to view the message for > a given status code. >   > Why then, does the below fail?" > $ help/message/status=0x17649a01: > %DCL-W-NUMBER, invalid numeric value - supply an integer >  \0X17649A01\  > $  >  > thx  >   8 Invalid syntax.  Use "%x" to prefix hex values, not "0x"  # Not a valid error status though....     $ help/message/status=%x17649a01> %MSGHLP-F-NOTFOUND, message not found in Help Message database  1 Found it in "SYS$COMMON:[SYSMSG]TCPIP$MSG.EXE;1": -    "%TCPIP-S-FTP_EXIT, exit per user command"    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:28:08 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> Subject: Re: zx2000 ? ) Message-ID: <op.tf41k60btte90l@hyrrokkin>   ; On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:38:28 -0700, <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:   ; > In article <op.tf4wa8jttte90l@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden"  =   ! > <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes: B > |> Just powered one up using the console interface to hyperterm,A > |> which is set 9600-8-N-1, the keyboard thru hyperterm doesn't B > |> seem to respond, but it displayed a Redhat login prompt.  Are > |> the settings wrong? > =18 G >   So the central question here is that you didn't see any EFI console B > output, but you did see (apparently once the box booted) RedHat? Yes. > > >   For testing, can you try a different or a "real" terminal?  8 I could put another tube on, but I don't have a usb kybd   > =18 F >   And FWIW, PuTTY and VTstar or the Hyperterm product -- the versionI > that's presently available, rather than the older and more limited one=   F > integrated into Microsoft Windows -- are likely better emulators, if > you need VT100-class access.A All I have is Hyperterm that came with W2K, PuTTY presupposes IP.    > D >   Can you enable autobaud on (whatever) the terminal?  The default8 > speed for EFI serial can be far above 9600 baud, FWIW.  / Hyperterm has only fixed speeds, care to guess?  > C >   Does this particular box have a management processor installed?  >  >  Don't know.        -- =  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:57:14 GMT ! From: hoffman@xdelta.hp.nospam ()  Subject: Re: zx2000 ? 0 Message-ID: <e4XPg.185$3I7.129@news.cpqcorp.net>  V In article <op.tf41k60btte90l@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes:> |> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:38:28 -0700, <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:A |> >   For testing, can you try a different or a "real" terminal?  |>  ; |> I could put another tube on, but I don't have a usb kybd   G   An LK463 is what I'd recommend, but a generic USB keyboard should --  H less the LK keys, obviously -- basically work when connected to the box.  I |> >   And FWIW, PuTTY and VTstar or the Hyperterm product -- the version L |> > that's presently available, rather than the older and more limited one= |>  I |> > integrated into Microsoft Windows -- are likely better emulators, if ! |> > you need VT100-class access. D |> All I have is Hyperterm that came with W2K, PuTTY presupposes IP.     VTstar is on the Freeware.  G |> >   Can you enable autobaud on (whatever) the terminal?  The default ; |> > speed for EFI serial can be far above 9600 baud, FWIW.  |>  2 |> Hyperterm has only fixed speeds, care to guess?  B   As much as 110k?  (Toggle the settings and try it.)  It depends < on how the box is configured, based on what I've seen of it.  A   I'm assuming you're connected into one of the "standard" serial $ com ports, and probably com1, right?  G   Various of the manuals are on line, I'd be tempted to reset the whole D console area -- assuming you're not planning on running RedHat here.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:01:07 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> Subject: Re: zx2000 ? ) Message-ID: <op.tf4235bktte90l@hyrrokkin>   E On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:57:14 -0700, <hoffman@xdelta.hp.nospam> wrote:   ; > In article <op.tf41k60btte90l@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden"  =   ! > <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes: @ > |> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:38:28 -0700, <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:C > |> >   For testing, can you try a different or a "real" terminal?  > |>= > |> I could put another tube on, but I don't have a usb kybd  > I >   An LK463 is what I'd recommend, but a generic USB keyboard should --=   I > less the LK keys, obviously -- basically work when connected to the bo=  x. > I > |> >   And FWIW, PuTTY and VTstar or the Hyperterm product -- the vers=  ion I > |> > that's presently available, rather than the older and more limite=  d  =   > one=3D > |>I > |> > integrated into Microsoft Windows -- are likely better emulators,=   if # > |> > you need VT100-class access. F > |> All I have is Hyperterm that came with W2K, PuTTY presupposes IP. >  >   VTstar is on the Freeware. > I > |> >   Can you enable autobaud on (whatever) the terminal?  The defaul=  t = > |> > speed for EFI serial can be far above 9600 baud, FWIW.  > |>4 > |> Hyperterm has only fixed speeds, care to guess? > C >   As much as 110k?  (Toggle the settings and try it.)  It depends > > on how the box is configured, based on what I've seen of it. > C >   I'm assuming you're connected into one of the "standard" serial & > com ports, and probably com1, right? > I >   Various of the manuals are on line, I'd be tempted to reset the whol=  e F > console area -- assuming you're not planning on running RedHat here. >  > I It was the wrong port, I just assumed that OPA0 and TTA0 (if that is wha=  t I they are called here) was the same as Alpha, but it works fine at 9600, =  so; The box mus be set to auto.  No, planning on putting up 8.3      -- =  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:42:32 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch>  Subject: Re: zx2000 ? B Message-ID: <0001HW.C13614C8004B13C1F02845B0@mac.sture.homeip.net>  4 On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:28:08 +0200, Tom Linden wrote+ (in article <op.tf41k60btte90l@hyrrokkin>):   = > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 10:38:28 -0700, <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote:  > ; >> In article <op.tf4wa8jttte90l@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden"   " >> <tom@kednos-remove.com> writes:B >>>> Just powered one up using the console interface to hyperterm,A >>>> which is set 9600-8-N-1, the keyboard thru hyperterm doesn't B >>>> seem to respond, but it displayed a Redhat login prompt.  Are >>>> the settings wrong? >> F >> So the central question here is that you didn't see any EFI consoleC >> output, but you did see (apparently once the box booted) RedHat?  > Yes. >>  = >> For testing, can you try a different or a "real" terminal?  > : > I could put another tube on, but I don't have a usb kybd >  >> E >> And FWIW, PuTTY and VTstar or the Hyperterm product -- the version I >> that's presently available, rather than the older and more limited one G >> integrated into Microsoft Windows -- are likely better emulators, if  >> you need VT100-class access. C > All I have is Hyperterm that came with W2K, PuTTY presupposes IP.  >  >>  C >> Can you enable autobaud on (whatever) the terminal?  The default 9 >> speed for EFI serial can be far above 9600 baud, FWIW.  > 1 > Hyperterm has only fixed speeds, care to guess?  >   B Please do yourself a favour and download the non-crippled version.  + http://www.hilgraeve.com/hyperterminal.html   ! The Personal Use version is free.    --     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:04:13 -0400 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: zx2000 ? * Message-ID: <45105b4e@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  5 "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> wrote in message # news:op.tf4wa8jttte90l@hyrrokkin... = Just powered one up using the console interface to hyperterm, < which is set 9600-8-N-1, the keyboard thru hyperterm doesn't= seem to respond, but it displayed a Redhat login prompt.  Are  the settings wrong?    AT 1 Red Hat Enterprise Linux release 2.9.5AS (Taroon) ! Kernel 2.4.21-4.0.1.EL on an ia64     cn-sfo1-pma-ia64.cnet.com login:    > My guess is that the console path is set to the graphics card.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:05:09 -0400 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: zx2000 ? , Message-ID: <45105b86$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  D Remove the graphics card.  Stick a VMS V8.3 Installation CD into the, system - and you should be cooking with gas.  5 "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> wrote in message # news:op.tf4wa8jttte90l@hyrrokkin... = Just powered one up using the console interface to hyperterm, < which is set 9600-8-N-1, the keyboard thru hyperterm doesn't= seem to respond, but it displayed a Redhat login prompt.  Are  the settings wrong?    AT 1 Red Hat Enterprise Linux release 2.9.5AS (Taroon) ! Kernel 2.4.21-4.0.1.EL on an ia64     cn-sfo1-pma-ia64.cnet.com login:   --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 03:43:43 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) ( Subject: Re: [JAVA] Installation problemZ Message-ID: <rdeininger-1909062343430001@dialup-4.233.149.94.dial1.manchester1.level3.net>  H In article <451045d9$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at wrote:  M >I just updated JAVA150 from V1.5-1 to V1.5-2 (I fact I did a remove and then ( >later an install) and noticed problems. > G >JAVA150 V1.5-2 needs now a SET PROCESS/PARSE_STYLE=EXTENDED before the H >PRODUCT INSTALL JAVA150 command or you get %PCSI-E-FILENOTPUR messages. > L >V1.5-1 did it itself/implicitely (because I didn't do it explicitely then). > & >Why has this changed? Bug or feature?  E I haven't looked at the release notes myself, but I believe ODS-5 and F parse_style=extended are now required for Java.  Hopefully the release notes address this.   F It seems to me that the installation kit should set the parse style asJ needed, and change it back at the end of the installation.  If it doesn't," a bug report might be appropriate.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.516 ************************                                                                          