1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 20 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 517       Contents:E ANN: ACE and TAO (Open Source CORBA ORB) ready for use on OpenVms 8.2 P Re: ANN: ACE and TAO (Open Source CORBA ORB) ready for use on OpenVms 8.2 8.28.2" Re: Comparing versions of the file" Re: Comparing versions of the file" Re: Comparing versions of the file" Re: Comparing versions of the fileA Re: Debugging image invoked by SYMBIONT via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL A Re: Debugging image invoked by SYMBIONT via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL ( DSPP: Delete Successful Product Programs: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06$ Re: how to backup installCDs to ISOs& Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5?& Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5?& Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5?& Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5?& Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5?& Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5?& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers& Re: HP announces new Integrity servers Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable 0 Re: Inquirer on VMS support outsourcing to IndiaP Re: Lynx (was: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever % Missing administer.exe Pathworks v6.1 ) Re: Missing administer.exe Pathworks v6.1 ) Re: Missing administer.exe Pathworks v6.1   Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS  Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMSP Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL:  Will it ever join the 21st @ Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever@ Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever@ Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever@ Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever+ Re: Netbeans IDE$SERVER connection problems  Re: non printable characters Re: non printable characters Re: non printable characters Re: non printable characters+ SSL cryptographic web browser vulnerability / Re: SSL cryptographic web browser vulnerability / Re: SSL cryptographic web browser vulnerability / Re: SSL cryptographic web browser vulnerability / Re: using HEXADECIMALS with HELP/MESSAGE/STATUS  Re: VMS712_DS20E-V010  Re: VMS712_DS20E-V010  Re: VMS712_DS20E-V010  Re: VMS712_DS20E-V010  Re: zx2000 ? Re: zx2000 ? Re: zx2000 ? Re: zx2000 ? Re: zx2000 ? Re: zx2000 ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:36:11 +0200 ' From: Martin Corino <mcorino@remedy.nl> N Subject: ANN: ACE and TAO (Open Source CORBA ORB) ready for use on OpenVms 8.25 Message-ID: <451135bb$0$4524$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>    L.S.  I As a result of the ongoing efforts by Remedy IT and the sponsoring by BAE I Systems Hägglunds AB the platform support for ACE/TAO has now definitely E expanded to include OpenVMS Alpha 8.2 (IA64 support to come soon, see  below).   J TAO (The ACE ORB) contains a high performance CORBA 3.x compliant C++ ORB.I Development started by the DOC Group at Washington University, St. Louis, D and is now continued at Vanderbilt University, Nashville,  under the% supervision of prof. Douglas Schmidt.   TAO also includes the following: - Full featured IDL compiler;  - Pluggable protocols;F - Many standard CORBA services (incl. Naming Service, Logging Service,$   Time Service, Event Service etc.); - Real Time CORBA support.  I TAO runs on an abstraction layer called ACE, which is a C++ framework and " hides OS and communication issues./ More information on ACE and TAO is available at * http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE.html.  L The OpenVMS 8.2 port is the successful conclusion of an unsponsored activityJ started by Remedy IT in 2004 to bring ACE up and running for Alpha OpenVMS 7.3 7 based on the code donated by BAE Systems Hägglunds AB. K Due to lack of sponsoring this activity was temporarily stalled during 2005  toD be revived and expanded again in 2006 with the arrival of sufficient sponsoring.   J The code for the OpenVMS port has all been submitted back into the central; DOC-group code archive and is available for any to use (see J http://deuce.doc.wustl.edu/Download.html for instructions on obtaining ACE	 and TAO).   K Remedy IT is still maintaining the OpenVMS Alpha port and will continue (at K least into 2007) to do so. Upgrading the port to OpenVMS 8.3 is planned for  Q4 2006.  L Currently Remedy IT is also working on extending the ACE/TAO OpenVMS port toJ the Itanium platform. We expect a first release for OpenVMS IA64 8.3 in Q4 2006.   J To continue support for these ports as ACE/TAO evolves in the coming yearsL (and possibly extend the port to include CIAO) additional sponsoring will be needed. A Support for ACE/TAO on OpenVMS platforms by Remedy IT is provided  exclusively - to sponsors or commercial support customers . E For more information concerning our support services please check out A http://www.theaceorb.nl and/or contact us at theaceorb@remedy.nl.   ) We hope this information has been of use.    Martin Corino.   --  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------F                            Martin J.N. Corino | Remedy IT Expertise BVF           Postbus 101 |  2650 AC Berkel en Rodenrijs | The NetherlandsF                        tel: +31 (10) 522 0139 | fax: +31 (33) 246 6511F                                   World Wide Web: http://www.remedy.nlF ----------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:35:49 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>Y Subject: Re: ANN: ACE and TAO (Open Source CORBA ORB) ready for use on OpenVms 8.2 8.28.2 0 Message-ID: <12h2f7g6rvc1mbd@corp.supernews.com>   Martin Corino wrote: > L.S. > K > As a result of the ongoing efforts by Remedy IT and the sponsoring by BAE K > Systems Hägglunds AB the platform support for ACE/TAO has now definitely G > expanded to include OpenVMS Alpha 8.2 (IA64 support to come soon, see 	 > below).  > L > TAO (The ACE ORB) contains a high performance CORBA 3.x compliant C++ ORB.K > Development started by the DOC Group at Washington University, St. Louis, F > and is now continued at Vanderbilt University, Nashville,  under the' > supervision of prof. Douglas Schmidt. " > TAO also includes the following: > - Full featured IDL compiler;  > - Pluggable protocols;H > - Many standard CORBA services (incl. Naming Service, Logging Service,& >   Time Service, Event Service etc.); > - Real Time CORBA support. > K > TAO runs on an abstraction layer called ACE, which is a C++ framework and $ > hides OS and communication issues.1 > More information on ACE and TAO is available at , > http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE.html. > N > The OpenVMS 8.2 port is the successful conclusion of an unsponsored activityL > started by Remedy IT in 2004 to bring ACE up and running for Alpha OpenVMS > 7.3 9 > based on the code donated by BAE Systems Hägglunds AB. M > Due to lack of sponsoring this activity was temporarily stalled during 2005  > toF > be revived and expanded again in 2006 with the arrival of sufficient
 > sponsoring.  > L > The code for the OpenVMS port has all been submitted back into the central= > DOC-group code archive and is available for any to use (see L > http://deuce.doc.wustl.edu/Download.html for instructions on obtaining ACE > and TAO).  > M > Remedy IT is still maintaining the OpenVMS Alpha port and will continue (at M > least into 2007) to do so. Upgrading the port to OpenVMS 8.3 is planned for 
 > Q4 2006. > N > Currently Remedy IT is also working on extending the ACE/TAO OpenVMS port toL > the Itanium platform. We expect a first release for OpenVMS IA64 8.3 in Q4 > 2006.  > L > To continue support for these ports as ACE/TAO evolves in the coming yearsN > (and possibly extend the port to include CIAO) additional sponsoring will be	 > needed. C > Support for ACE/TAO on OpenVMS platforms by Remedy IT is provided 
 > exclusively / > to sponsors or commercial support customers . G > For more information concerning our support services please check out C > http://www.theaceorb.nl and/or contact us at theaceorb@remedy.nl.  > + > We hope this information has been of use.  >  > Martin Corino.  E This is a *very* capable package, one for which I participated in an  I evaluation during 2003.  This was for a non-VMS platform.  To see it now  B available for VMS is very heartening.  For anyone requiring CORBA > functionality it well worth serious consideration, especially C considering it is open-source and cross-platform.  BAES is now the  F second major aerospace interest I know of putting effort into ACE/TAO.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 08:26:42 +0200/ From: huber@NIRWANA-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) + Subject: Re: Comparing versions of the file + Message-ID: <4zd5VDl67WTJ@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   m In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.0609191813380.18808@localhost.localdomain>, Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:  > # > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Rohan wrote:  > E >> Is there a script to automatically compare versions of files in a  B >> directory without having to give filenames as parameter in the  >> command?  > $ HELP LEX F$SEARCH  > $ DIF/PAR F$SEARCH ("*.*")) > Press up-arrow and return as necessary.   ; No, this will compare only the first file in the directory.    The following will do:     each *.*;-1 "diff/para 'nt'"  # where dcl$path:each.com is this one   2  http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/util_root/com/each.com  " (and no, I didn't write each.com).    --  @    Joseph Huber , Muenchen,Germany:  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:44:41 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>+ Subject: Re: Comparing versions of the file * Message-ID: <451080e7@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Rohan wrote:C > Is there a script to automatically compare versions of files in a I > directory without having to give filenames as parameter in the command?   J    The following diff_directories.com procedure could be a start for this H request, but you'll undoubtedly need to change it to meet your specific 
 requirements.   S http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware80/hoffman_examples/diff_directories.com   O    This file is an OpenVMS text file containing DCL commands, though Microsoft  K Windows will assume its an executable.  (You can download the whole set of  L examples via the zip in the same directory, and unpack them on your OpenVMS $ system.  That's potentially easier.)   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 08:33:31 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: Comparing versions of the file 3 Message-ID: <heKIxivL6E5t@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <1158706164.643317.205250@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, "Rohan" <rohan.bakshi@qwest.com> writes:C > Is there a script to automatically compare versions of files in a I > directory without having to give filenames as parameter in the command?   C    Yes, I've got tons of those kinds of scripts, including a couple     which are generic.   B    The need for these for a one-time step is so common that one ofG    the first things I think anyone should learn in any command language A    (or shell) is how to loop over a collection of files.  I write A    these and throw them away in DCL and ksh so often I don't even     think about it.  E    Try the following, it's generic, but I forgot which DECUS SIG tape E    I got it from.  I put it in WLOOP.COM, and set up the symbol WLOOP     to point to it.    $if p1 .eqs. "?" then $goto help $on error then $exit $loop: $next_file = f$search(p2) ! $if next_file .eqs. "" then $exit ' $define/user_mode sys$input sys$command  $'p1' 'next_file' 'p3'
 $goto loop $help: $type sys$input  4    WLOOP 	Repeats commands for wildcarded filespecs.  	    Format  	WLOOP command filespec [tail]   	where7 		command 	is a valid DCL command requireing a filespec 6 		filespec 	is a partial filepsec containing wildcards1 		tail 		is an optional part of the command to be  				 placed after filespec            ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:08:18 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> + Subject: Re: Comparing versions of the file E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0609200943250.29206@localhost.localdomain>   ( On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Joseph Huber wrote:  
 > In article  G > <Pine.LNX.4.61.0609191813380.18808@localhost.localdomain>, Rob Brown   > <mylastname@gmcl.com> writes:  >>$ >> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Rohan wrote: >>E >>> Is there a script to automatically compare versions of files in a B >>> directory without having to give filenames as parameter in the >>> command? >> $ HELP LEX F$SEARCH >> $ DIF/PAR F$SEARCH ("*.*") * >> Press up-arrow and return as necessary. > = > No, this will compare only the first file in the directory.   E It will compare a different file each time the user presses up-arrow  A and return.  Or it would have if I had remembered to include the  ; apostrophes around the F$SEARCH item.  It should have been:         $ DIF/PAR 'F$SEARCH ("*.*")'     --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 04:24:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> J Subject: Re: Debugging image invoked by SYMBIONT via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, Message-ID: <4510FACE.7E8AC575@teksavvy.com>  
 An update:  < ANA/DISK/REPAIR did not discover an files marked for delete.  : So a SYMBIONT doing a LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL will setup theF pointers/whatever, but doesn't seem to keep the shareable image lockedB so it can be deleted once de-installed.  (And when doing the PURGE< command, I had not seen any "file is locked/busy" warnings).  D What is not clear to me is what the MAIL routines do after they haveD called the "DEACCESS" item code in the foreign transport (indicating' this transaction/message is complete).      H However, when the symbiont tries to do a LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL again, itE probably already has a table of the entry points in the old files and   that is when it no longer works.    ! Secondly, and this is perplexing.   D When the time comes to process the text/contents of the message, the. routine is given an argument containing a RAB.  ,       rab_ptr = va_arg(argptr,struct RAB *);,       error_routine = va_arg(argptr,void *);   %        fab_ptr = rab_ptr->rab$l_fab ; %        nam_ptr = fab_ptr->fab$l_nam ;   >         fprintf(context->logfile,"    Source file =>%.*s<=\n",@                         fab_ptr->fab$b_fns, fab_ptr->fab$l_fna);>         fprintf(context->logfile,"    Source file =>%.*s<=\n",@                         nam_ptr->nam$b_rsl, nam_ptr->nam$l_rsa);    ? so, from the RAB, I find the FAB, from the FAB, I find the NAM.   P When run via MAIL or callable mail, the 2 fprintf statements function perfectly.  D When running from the SYMBIONT (TCPIP$SMTP_SYMBIONT calling callableF mail which calls my foreign transport), the program access violates at" either of the 2 printf statements.   When running via decnet:4 (eka, from VELO::, I MAIL to BIKE::chocolate%vanilla  D Then, my foreign transport runs on BIKE, and both fprintf statementsG succeed and print an empty string (eg: no file name).  (I was expecting  perhaps SYS$NET or something)     F So, it appears that the TCPIP SYMBIONT isn't being very pedantic aboutE filling the FAB/NAM fields properly and some of them appear to remain 5 indefenite instead of being specified as being empty.   H What this means is that you cannot assume that all fo the FAB/NAM fields  are going to be filled properly.  E Shoudln't there be some automated processing that automatically fills E those fields which are missing ? Or perhaps the TCPIP symbiont really  does thing wrong here ?    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 07:50:27 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.orgJ Subject: Re: Debugging image invoked by SYMBIONT via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL3 Message-ID: <U+9UJfgKjpeG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <4510FACE.7E8AC575@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > An update: > > > ANA/DISK/REPAIR did not discover an files marked for delete.  ; I thought the sequence was that you'd started the symbiont, ; purged the file(s), the second LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL within ; the symbiont failed and you ended up stopping the symbiont.   2 That would not leave any files marked for delete.    > < > So a SYMBIONT doing a LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL will setup theH > pointers/whatever, but doesn't seem to keep the shareable image lockedD > so it can be deleted once de-installed.  (And when doing the PURGE> > command, I had not seen any "file is locked/busy" warnings).  A PURGE or DELETE on a running .EXE will complete without any error D messages.  The .EXE's directory entry will have been removed and theF file will be marked for delete.  The image file nonetheless has a readH lock and a reference count and will be deleted when the image section(s)
 are unmapped.   6 Try lib$spawn('delete this_image_file.exe;') sometime.   F > What is not clear to me is what the MAIL routines do after they haveF > called the "DEACCESS" item code in the foreign transport (indicating) > this transaction/message is complete).   >  > J > However, when the symbiont tries to do a LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL again, itG > probably already has a table of the entry points in the old files and " > that is when it no longer works. >  > # > Secondly, and this is perplexing.  > F > When the time comes to process the text/contents of the message, the0 > routine is given an argument containing a RAB. > . >       rab_ptr = va_arg(argptr,struct RAB *);. >       error_routine = va_arg(argptr,void *); >   ' >        fab_ptr = rab_ptr->rab$l_fab ; ' >        nam_ptr = fab_ptr->fab$l_nam ;  > @ >         fprintf(context->logfile,"    Source file =>%.*s<=\n",B >                         fab_ptr->fab$b_fns, fab_ptr->fab$l_fna);@ >         fprintf(context->logfile,"    Source file =>%.*s<=\n",B >                         nam_ptr->nam$b_rsl, nam_ptr->nam$l_rsa); >  > A > so, from the RAB, I find the FAB, from the FAB, I find the NAM.  > R > When run via MAIL or callable mail, the 2 fprintf statements function perfectly. > F > When running from the SYMBIONT (TCPIP$SMTP_SYMBIONT calling callableH > mail which calls my foreign transport), the program access violates at$ > either of the 2 printf statements.    That calls for debugging output:  8 Does rab have a non-zero address?  What is that address?E Does rab.rab$l_fab contain a non-zero address?  What is that address? E Does fab.fab$l_fna contain a non-zero address?  What is that address? E Does fab.fab$l_nam contain a non-zero address?  What is that address? E Does nam.nam$l_rsa contain a non-zero address?  What is that address? ) What are fab.fab$b_fns and nam.nam$b_rsl?    > When running via decnet:6 > (eka, from VELO::, I MAIL to BIKE::chocolate%vanilla > F > Then, my foreign transport runs on BIKE, and both fprintf statementsI > succeed and print an empty string (eg: no file name).  (I was expecting  > perhaps SYS$NET or something)  >  > H > So, it appears that the TCPIP SYMBIONT isn't being very pedantic aboutG > filling the FAB/NAM fields properly and some of them appear to remain 7 > indefenite instead of being specified as being empty.   2 And you need to figure out which fields those are.   J > What this means is that you cannot assume that all fo the FAB/NAM fields" > are going to be filled properly. > G > Shoudln't there be some automated processing that automatically fills G > those fields which are missing ? Or perhaps the TCPIP symbiont really  > does thing wrong here ?   C If I understand things properly, you've been handed a record stream B (a RAB) and now, instead of reading or writing from the stream youF are chasing down the FABs and NAMs trying to figure out the file name.F It seems to me that you are venturing into unspecified territory here.  C Nobody told the caller that he was responsible for maintaining file D name information for you.  If we're in symbiont context, opening theI data file by file ID rather than file name would be entirely appropriate.   4 Then too, I may not be understanding your situation.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:48:07 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG1 Subject: DSPP: Delete Successful Product Programs 0 Message-ID: <00A5C043.DE24690A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  M No more SDK!  No more access to OpenVMS distros.  No more 3rd party products.    Hopelessly Pathetic....    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2006 12:18:05 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 + Message-ID: <4ncprtF9raf2U1@individual.net>   H In article <8660a3a10609192100w30bd140offe7085882e9d26a@mail.gmail.com>,2 	"William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> writes:H > On 19 Sep 2006 15:45:18 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:= >> In article <hpmdnWfsusJLk43YnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@comcast.com>, @ >>         "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: >> > Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >> >@ >> >> In article <pMWdnUr1_aAIm43YnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com>,@ >> >>      "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: >> >>  >> >>>islandco wrote:  >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>Sorry folks >> >>>> ( >> >>>>I found out what the problem with >> >>>> % >> >>>>IT was NETWORK SOLUTIONS again  >> >>>> R >> >>>>We use NAT here - and the ICUSC.COM server was changed to point at our mainA >> >>>>mailserver ISLANDCO.COM (icusc.com was then made an alias) Q >> >>>>Well, it was then for some UNKNOWN reason they changed it back to point at - >> >>>>our secondary server the next morning. O >> >>>>That is why your emails. and everyone elses that sent mail to me on that G >> >>>>address (we use this for dealer to dealer trading alerts mainly)  >> >>>>  >> >>>> R >> >>>>I am trying to get it rectified with NETSOL - they operate extremely slowly >> >>>> < >> >>>>So, to avoid any unfair decisions, let's try it again >> >>>> S >> >>>>This time we will give away 5 x DS10L systems per the original configuration % >> >>>>by end of day today 5:00PM EST  >> >>>> 1 >> >>>>Starting at 10:00am  September 19 2006 EST  >> >>>> J >> >>>>I'll let you all know who the winners are tomorrow on the newsgroup >> >>>>  >> >>>>David >> >>>>  >> >>>>  >> >>> >> >>>You're still sorry David!  >> >>>L >> >>>"A message (from <rgilbert88@comcast.net>) was received at 19 Sep 2006 >> >>>14:42:54 +0000.  >> >>>4 >> >>>The following addresses had delivery problems: >> >>> >> >>><dturner@icusc.com> M >> >>>     Permanent Failure: 550_5.7.1_Unable_to_relay_for_dturner@icusc.com F >> >>>     Delivery last attempted at Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:42:55 -0000" >> >>  >> >> G >> >> I got a bounced message too.  Guess I am just not destined to win # >> >> one of these cool boxes.  :-(  >> >>  >> >M >> > Didn't all David's mail troubles start when he replaced the DS10L he was 8 >> > using as a mailserver with an inferior product? ;-) >>L >> Too bad they can't afford to hire me as their SysAdmin/Network Guru.  :-)L >> I hear Savanah is a really nice place to live. (I only visited there once. >> but I liked what I saw and so did my wife!) >> > Savannah *is* a nice place.  > G > But If you spell the name of their city wrong, they'll run you out of  > town on a rail.  >   M If that's the only mistake my dyslexic fingers made I'll gladly live with it.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:10:00 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 ) Message-ID: <op.tf6hiyxatte90l@hyrrokkin>   G On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:34:38 -0700, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>    wrote:  @ > But you got me thinking.  He was running a DS10.  My limited  J > understanding is that the major difference between that and a DS10L is  H > the size of the box, number of PCI slots, and such.  Now he comes up  I > with a bunch of DS10L systems.  Is it possible to replace some of the   H > hardware in the DS10 box with DS10L stuff and possibly get a working  G > DS10 again?  Are the PCI sockets on the motherboard?  Just wondering.  >   D This has come up before and I believe someone said you could put theE riser card in the DS10L, of course, you could close the cover.  It is  what it is.    --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:58:23 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 : Message-ID: <ls6dnSEyw8yY1IzYnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@comcast.com>   Dave Froble wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >> Phaeton wrote:  >>K >>>         Shirley he could use one of those nice DS10L boxes, with VMS of G >>>         course, as a very efficient and reliable mail server :-) ?? 2 >>>         With a proper registrar, naturally :-) >> >>F >> Since the winners of the contest have not yet been announced.... MrJ >> David is a very very very nice person. I repeat, he is a very very nice/ >> person. Did I mention he was a nice person ?  >  > > > Just how far up his ass are you going to stick your nose JF? > I >> Heck, I am sure there are some of us who would volunteer to set one of G >> his DS10Ls up with VMS to receive emails in exchange for a couple of  >> free DS10Ls :-) >>G >> However, the cost of a real VMS licence with all the necessary stuff H >> might be way too high compared to setting up an 8086 with Linux and a9 >> more powerful email backbone with real spam filtering.  >  > J > Your attention span is rather short.  He was running VMS on a DS10.  He  > has a license. >   F But the license is merchandise and worth far more than most VAX/Alpha I hardware these days.  The last time I looked, a 12 Unit "Activity A" VMS  H license was something like $1500 US!  That price may have included  100 C units of "OpenVMS-ADL", It's been something like ten years since I  % bought that box and I don't remember.   F It's a good bet that the DS10L David is offering are WITHOUT LICENSE. F If you can use a hobbyist license it's not a problem.  For commercial  use it's a big problem.    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2006 14:23:36 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 + Message-ID: <4nd178F9p1edU1@individual.net>   : In article <ls6dnSEyw8yY1IzYnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@comcast.com>,6 	"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes: > Dave Froble wrote: >  >> JF Mezei wrote: >>   >>> Phaeton wrote: >>> L >>>>         Shirley he could use one of those nice DS10L boxes, with VMS ofH >>>>         course, as a very efficient and reliable mail server :-) ??3 >>>>         With a proper registrar, naturally :-)  >>>  >>> G >>> Since the winners of the contest have not yet been announced.... Mr K >>> David is a very very very nice person. I repeat, he is a very very nice 0 >>> person. Did I mention he was a nice person ? >>   >>  ? >> Just how far up his ass are you going to stick your nose JF?  >>  J >>> Heck, I am sure there are some of us who would volunteer to set one ofH >>> his DS10Ls up with VMS to receive emails in exchange for a couple of >>> free DS10Ls :-)  >>> H >>> However, the cost of a real VMS licence with all the necessary stuffI >>> might be way too high compared to setting up an 8086 with Linux and a : >>> more powerful email backbone with real spam filtering. >>   >>  K >> Your attention span is rather short.  He was running VMS on a DS10.  He   >> has a license.  >>   > H > But the license is merchandise and worth far more than most VAX/Alpha K > hardware these days.  The last time I looked, a 12 Unit "Activity A" VMS  J > license was something like $1500 US!  That price may have included  100 E > units of "OpenVMS-ADL", It's been something like ten years since I  ' > bought that box and I don't remember.  > H > It's a good bet that the DS10L David is offering are WITHOUT LICENSE. H > If you can use a hobbyist license it's not a problem.  For commercial  > use it's a big problem.   E Somehow I doubt that any business is going to rely on a computer they / win in an email contest to runt heir business!!    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:46:37 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 8 Message-ID: <09o2h2p0tvdrbvjntnci01ucpt8iqdhat3@4ax.com>  O On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:10:00 -0700, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> wrote:   H >On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:34:38 -0700, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   >wrote:  > A >> But you got me thinking.  He was running a DS10.  My limited   K >> understanding is that the major difference between that and a DS10L is   I >> the size of the box, number of PCI slots, and such.  Now he comes up   J >> with a bunch of DS10L systems.  Is it possible to replace some of the  I >> hardware in the DS10 box with DS10L stuff and possibly get a working   H >> DS10 again?  Are the PCI sockets on the motherboard?  Just wondering. >> > E >This has come up before and I believe someone said you could put the F >riser card in the DS10L, of course, you could close the cover.  It is >what it is.  L The DS10 & DS10L motherboards are identical. The DS10 has a 4 slot PCI riserP card. It also has riser cards for the memory so that the sticks can be installedO horizontally. To convert from the DS10L to DS10 you would require a larger case L & power supply. Superficially it looks like I could cram a DS10L into an oldM Alphastation 500 case that I have here (it has the 4 slot PCI riser card too)  but I could be wrong.   N I read this too late to enter the raffle but as I already have a DS10L I don't feel too bad:-)    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:27:46 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 9 Message-ID: <XI6dnflI_tOs94zYnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@libcom.com>    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: >  >> JF Mezei wrote: >> >>> Phaeton wrote: >>> L >>>>         Shirley he could use one of those nice DS10L boxes, with VMS ofH >>>>         course, as a very efficient and reliable mail server :-) ??3 >>>>         With a proper registrar, naturally :-)  >>>  >>> G >>> Since the winners of the contest have not yet been announced.... Mr K >>> David is a very very very nice person. I repeat, he is a very very nice 0 >>> person. Did I mention he was a nice person ? >> >>? >> Just how far up his ass are you going to stick your nose JF?  >>J >>> Heck, I am sure there are some of us who would volunteer to set one ofH >>> his DS10Ls up with VMS to receive emails in exchange for a couple of >>> free DS10Ls :-)  >>> H >>> However, the cost of a real VMS licence with all the necessary stuffI >>> might be way too high compared to setting up an 8086 with Linux and a : >>> more powerful email backbone with real spam filtering. >> >>H >> Your attention span is rather short.  He was running VMS on a DS10.   >> He has a license. >> > H > But the license is merchandise and worth far more than most VAX/Alpha K > hardware these days.  The last time I looked, a 12 Unit "Activity A" VMS  J > license was something like $1500 US!  That price may have included  100 E > units of "OpenVMS-ADL", It's been something like ten years since I  ' > bought that box and I don't remember.   I He indicated that he ran the mail server for 7 years on the DS10.  If he  H was willing to use the license in that manner for 7 years, why wouldn't # he be willing to continue to do so?   K > It's a good bet that the DS10L David is offering are WITHOUT LICENSE. If  I > you can use a hobbyist license it's not a problem.  For commercial use   > it's a big problem.    Agreed.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:30:40 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 9 Message-ID: <XI6dnfhI_tNC94zYnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@libcom.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:  M >>>> Didn't all David's mail troubles start when he replaced the DS10L he was 8 >>>> using as a mailserver with an inferior product? ;-)M >>> Too bad they can't afford to hire me as their SysAdmin/Network Guru.  :-) M >>> I hear Savanah is a really nice place to live. (I only visited there once / >>> but I liked what I saw and so did my wife!)  >>>  >> Savannah *is* a nice place. >>H >> But If you spell the name of their city wrong, they'll run you out of >> town on a rail. >> > O > If that's the only mistake my dyslexic fingers made I'll gladly live with it.  > :-)   H It's not.  Recently there have been several posts where you misplaced a I space.  For example "runt heir" instead of "run their".  Fumble fingers.     :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2006 16:40:45 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 + Message-ID: <4nd98cF9p6ouU1@individual.net>   9 In article <XI6dnfhI_tNC94zYnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@libcom.com>, * 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > N >>>>> Didn't all David's mail troubles start when he replaced the DS10L he was9 >>>>> using as a mailserver with an inferior product? ;-) N >>>> Too bad they can't afford to hire me as their SysAdmin/Network Guru.  :-)N >>>> I hear Savanah is a really nice place to live. (I only visited there once0 >>>> but I liked what I saw and so did my wife!) >>>> >>> Savannah *is* a nice place.  >>> I >>> But If you spell the name of their city wrong, they'll run you out of  >>> town on a rail.  >>>  >>  P >> If that's the only mistake my dyslexic fingers made I'll gladly live with it. >> :-) > J > It's not.  Recently there have been several posts where you misplaced a K > space.  For example "runt heir" instead of "run their".  Fumble fingers.   >  :-)  K A combination of my dyslexic fingers and less and less time to keep up with L fun things like c.o.v.  If only my pay was keeping up with my workload.  ButJ then, mauybe their intent is to milk as much out fo me before the throw me ont he scrap heap.  K (Actually, it could also be partly the fault of this really lousy keyboard. ' I should just get myself another one!!)    bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:58:44 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>- Subject: Re: how to backup installCDs to ISOs 9 Message-ID: <U1aQg.1775$PD.154@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Hans Bachner wrote: - > Steven M. Schweda <sms@antinode.org> wrote:  >  > <snip>, >>    Those Germans sure are trouble-makers. >>I >>    I have to explain the "Nero Burning ROM" joke to all my friends who K >> understand even less German (and less about computers) than I do.  After I >> the explanation, they usually don't find it as funny as I do, however.  > I > After all, except for the missing "E" after "ROM", the joke isn't very  ; > German biased - "burning" for sure is an English word :-)   I Hey, I just got it now. I often wondered if it was named after the Roman  I emperor who fiddled while ROMe burned and there it was right in front of   me!    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:36:49 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> / Subject: Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5? B Message-ID: <0001HW.C136BC31007250EDF02845B0@mac.sture.homeip.net>  - On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:07:42 +0200, zdk wrote E (in article <1158728862.654810.320270@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>):   = > I'm very very newbie to VMS,and I've never checked the disk @ > free-space,so right now I'd like to check the disk space on myH > VMS5.5.I've already tried to search via Google (also this group),but IH > didn't found any how to (for silly user like me :) .. (for my system,IF > found my disk called "DUB0" ??,but I'm really not sure how to use in > VMS command) .. - -" >    $ show device DUB0  , You can also shorten the disk specification.  ( $ show device DUA  ! show all DUAn disks( $ show device DUB  ! show all DUBn disks   and:  # $ show device D    ! show all disks      --     ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 07:44:59 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) / Subject: Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5? 3 Message-ID: <Y8ASNEU6+AZE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   t In article <0001HW.C136BC31007250EDF02845B0@mac.sture.homeip.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> writes:/ > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:07:42 +0200, zdk wrote G > (in article <1158728862.654810.320270@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>):  > > >> I'm very very newbie to VMS,and I've never checked the diskA >> free-space,so right now I'd like to check the disk space on my I >> VMS5.5.I've already tried to search via Google (also this group),but I I >> didn't found any how to (for silly user like me :) .. (for my system,I G >> found my disk called "DUB0" ??,but I'm really not sure how to use in  >> VMS command) .. - -"  >>   >  > $ show device DUB0 > . > You can also shorten the disk specification. > * > $ show device DUA  ! show all DUAn disks* > $ show device DUB  ! show all DUBn disks >  > and: > % > $ show device D    ! show all disks    And also  ; $ show device sys$disk	! show the disk I am currently using    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 05:57:56 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>/ Subject: Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5? C Message-ID: <1158757076.519862.281890@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Paul Sture wrote: / > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:07:42 +0200, zdk wrote G > (in article <1158728862.654810.320270@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>):  > ? > > I'm very very newbie to VMS,and I've never checked the disk B > > free-space,so right now I'd like to check the disk space on myJ > > VMS5.5.I've already tried to search via Google (also this group),but IJ > > didn't found any how to (for silly user like me :) .. (for my system,IH > > found my disk called "DUB0" ??,but I'm really not sure how to use in > > VMS command) .. - -" > >  >  > $ show device DUB0 > . > You can also shorten the disk specification. > * > $ show device DUA  ! show all DUAn disks* > $ show device DUB  ! show all DUBn disks >  > and: > % > $ show device D    ! show all disks  >  >  > --  
 $ SHOW DEV D0   G show all D*0 disks. You can omit the controller designation or the unit A number, or both, and SHOW DEVICES will show all matching devices.    AEF    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 08:37:43 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5? 3 Message-ID: <$YMDUgZllkrA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <1158728862.654810.320270@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "zdk" <nx2zdk@gmail.com> writes:= > I'm very very newbie to VMS,and I've never checked the disk @ > free-space,so right now I'd like to check the disk space on myH > VMS5.5.I've already tried to search via Google (also this group),but IH > didn't found any how to (for silly user like me :) .. (for my system,IF > found my disk called "DUB0" ??,but I'm really not sure how to use in > VMS command) .. - -" >   K    OK, newbie.  We're your friends, and HELP is your friend.  If you spend  ,    just a little time with HELP you'll find:      show device/full dub0  D    We don't mind answering newbie questions, actually we rather likeA    newbies,  but you need to learn to use HELP as you can get the ,    answer faster that way than posting here.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:07:10 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> / Subject: Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5? : Message-ID: <2dqdnXFTDveI1ozYnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com>  
 zdk wrote:  = > I'm very very newbie to VMS,and I've never checked the disk @ > free-space,so right now I'd like to check the disk space on myH > VMS5.5.I've already tried to search via Google (also this group),but IH > didn't found any how to (for silly user like me :) .. (for my system,IF > found my disk called "DUB0" ??,but I'm really not sure how to use in > VMS command) .. - -" > * > could anyone give me an obvious example?F > any help or suggestion about this would be greatly appriciated.Thank > you very much. > 
 > Warachet S.  >    $ SHOW DEVICE DUB0	!Shows DUB0* $ SHOW DEVICE DUB	!Shows DUB0, DUB1. . . .= $ SHOW DEVICE /FULL DU	!Shows DUA0, DUA. . ., DUB0, DU. . . . J The /FULL qualifier shows everything about the device that SHOW will show.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:16:15 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> / Subject: Re: How to check disk usage on VMS5.5? : Message-ID: <GM-dnTNjo9yo0IzYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com>   Jf Mezei wrote:    > zdk wrote: > = >>I'm very very newbie to VMS,and I've never checked the disk 
 >>free-space,  >  >  > $ SHOW DEV D > J > This will list and disk drives and for those that are mounted, will show( > the number of free blocks (512 bytes). > A > SHOW DEV DUxx/FULL will give you more information on the drive, K > including the total number of blocks, and number of blocks that are free.  > H > 2 blocks = 1 K. So divide the number of free blocks by 2000 to get the  > number of megabytes available.  F That should read "by 2048" if you want honest megabytes (2^20).  2000 9 gives you the inflated "marketing megabytes(10^6)" value.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:32:40 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> / Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers B Message-ID: <0001HW.C136BB3800721674F02845B0@mac.sture.homeip.net>  5 On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:44:41 +0200, Dave Froble wrote ; (in article <FY-dnT_JQLn1WI3YnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@libcom.com>):    > Tom Linden wrote: I >> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:26:44 -0700, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  	 >> wrote:  >>   >>> Larry Kilgallen wrote:K >>>> In article <4uydndYmRbla9ZLYnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble  " >>>> <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >>>>  E >>>>> Tell me again why Alpha was dropped in favor of this 'industry   >>>>> standard' ; >>>> Because Intel paid enough money to make it profitable.  >>> 3 >>> And what about when Intel gets tired of paying?  >>> J >>> It's like repelling down the side of a cliff, without having measured 9 >>> the cliff and rope to insure the rope is long enough.  >>> 	 >> rappel  > J > I wondered whether I had the spelling correct.  Guess not.  Regardless, N > if the rope is too short, no matter how you spell it you got a problem.  :-) >   N FWIW, it's abseil in British English (20c: from German abseilen, from ab down 
 + Seil rope.)    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 03:33:20 -0700- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> / Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers B Message-ID: <1158748400.119837.271020@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Main, Kerry wrote: > > -----Original Message-----3 > > From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net] $ > > Sent: September 14, 2006 7:03 PM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 > > Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers  > >  > > Main, Kerry wrote: > >  > > ...  > > C > > > Imho, consolidating HW is one small piece, but unless you can I > > > consolidate OS instances, you are not addressing the real issues of : > > > FTE counts - the biggest slice of the IT budget pie. > > H > > You're still stuck in Buzzword Heaven, Kerry.  I keep asking exactly@ > > *how* Itanic differs in this regard from x86-64 (since their@ > > hardware features are comparable and the available software,< > > including OSs, is pretty much the same on each of them - > > except that there's so much ; > > *more* software available on x86), and you keep dancing : > > around that question and waving your hands vigorously. > >  > I > The difference is the overall package. With the Wintel on any platform, A > you have many FTE`s maintaining many OS instances, so even with J > consolidation using VMware or Virtual Server, you still have a very high3 > FTE counts - the biggest sclice of the IT budget.  > F > Yes, there are more aplications on Windows, but you can not run moreE > than one in any single instance (technical, culture and ISV support I > issues), hence high OS instances and high FTE counts to maintain these. F > Just think of the monthly security patches and all of the associated4 > pain these have on all of these many OS instances. >   E This may be so but we are seing large VMWARE deployments with largish D x86 servers hosting a number of Windows XXXX instances using VMWARE.G While this may not be that efficient works and in some cases plays well > with the org structure in the account with individual Business7 Units/Projects having their own Windows XXXX instances.   : Having a techie discussion about the merits of applicationG stacking/consolidation is fine but in many organisations this cannot be F imposed by the IT groups on the business units because IT does not ownC the equipment and if push comes to shove the BU will simply tell IT , where to stick their consolidation strategy.  A I am still at a loss to understand how x86-64 differs at all from  Itanium in this respect anyway.   F On Itanium you can run Windows, Linux, HP-UX and OpenVMS on x86-64 you# can run Windows, Linux and Solaris.   F So if your app is Windows only there is no difference in support costsA Itanium and x86-64 are the same ish. In reality x86-64 is cheaper B because you will not have had to jump through hoops to get the app? supported on x86-64 something that may not be true for Itanium.   D Ditto for Linux, again there is no Itanium secret sauce that spiritsD away the FTE's you need to support a Linux App and Linux instance on Itanium.  0 Ditto for Solaris on x86-64 vs HP-UX on Itanium.  D > With App stacking on OS`s like OpenVMS, you can get away with much4 > reduced FTE counts from an Operations perspective. >   F Swings and roundabouts, OpenVMS costs more to buy and software supportG costs are higher. The platforms that OpenVMS runs on are more expensive E than commodity x86 servers. Trying to sell the concept of buying much C more expensive systems with higher services costs to someone who is G goaled on reducing these costs is a tough concept particularly when the 7 FTE/internal support costs are much harder to quantify.   D You can of course App stack with Solaris anyway thats what Zones are for.  ? > > C'mon:  surely you can come up with *something* significant A > > (other than VMS per se, which is only an unfortunate quirk of 8 > > fate that the article you directed us to pay heed to& > > considers irrelevant in today's IT? > > climate) that Itanic can offer and x86-64 platforms cannot.  > >  > H > The point of the article was emphasizing looking at IT from a business# > perspective and not low level HW.  > E > > Because there are plenty of things that x86-64 offers that Itanic > > > cannot:  support from all the tier-1 server vendors rather> > > than only one of them, *far* wider support from lower-tier? > > vendors, processor competition that stimulates development, ? > > pricing that reflects this breadth and depth of competition 6 > > at both the processor manufacturer and OEM levels,? > > desktop-to-datacenter range, far more applications than all A > > other platforms combined (not that most of those applications ; > > are all that significant to servers, but if you want to @ > > consolidate around a single platform all the way down to the > > desktop level they are)... > > 
 > > - bill > >  > F > No Customer I have ever talked to has ever mentioned they want theirG > server standard to be based on their desktop standard. What Customers  > have you been talking to?   A They may not want this but the inevitable consequence of choosing F Windows on the desktop and MS Office/Outlook is that you end up with aE significant chunk of your server infrastructure being a Wintel estate  regardless of preference.   A Outlook breeds Exchange, Active Directory and CIFS servers. Other F Office products breed SharePoint and a whole load of other server side MS products.  A Why do you think Sun is so anti MS desktops? Its not because they G dislike the user interface they are much more concerned about the viral , nature of Windows when used as a desktop OS.   > J > Ok, simple question - If a Customer chooses Windows or Linux on whateverE > platform you want to pick, how do you propose they reduce their FTE > > counts which is by far the biggest slice of their IT budget? >   D Why restrict your choices to Linux and Windows, there are other OS'sG available for X86-64 which have significantly lower support costs. Dare  I mention Solaris again.  G Perhaps to illustrate this one of the biggest european investment banks G now has a Solaris x86 x86 server strategy. They have moved from Windows E and Linux simply because Solaris costs less to manage than Windows or @ Linux and because they have a large internal Solaris skills base& currently supporting Solaris on SPARC.   Regards  Andrew Harrison 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax: 613-591-4477  > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT)  > 6 > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2006 11:01:27 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)/ Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers + Message-ID: <4nclc7F9q2trU1@individual.net>   B In article <1158748400.119837.271020@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,0 	"Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> writes: >  > G > This may be so but we are seing large VMWARE deployments with largish F > x86 servers hosting a number of Windows XXXX instances using VMWARE.I > While this may not be that efficient works and in some cases plays well @ > with the org structure in the account with individual Business9 > Units/Projects having their own Windows XXXX instances.  > < > Having a techie discussion about the merits of applicationI > stacking/consolidation is fine but in many organisations this cannot be H > imposed by the IT groups on the business units because IT does not ownE > the equipment and if push comes to shove the BU will simply tell IT . > where to stick their consolidation strategy. > C > I am still at a loss to understand how x86-64 differs at all from ! > Itanium in this respect anyway.  > H > On Itanium you can run Windows, Linux, HP-UX and OpenVMS on x86-64 you% > can run Windows, Linux and Solaris.   A And in both instances you ignored BSD which is available for both @ architectures, is more efficient and also more free.  Once againB proving the value of marketing (hype) which is the only thing that
 VMS lacks.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 04:43:58 -0700- From: "Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> / Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers A Message-ID: <1158752638.660184.45770@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:D > In article <1158748400.119837.271020@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,2 > 	"Andrew" <andrew_harrison@symantec.com> writes: > >  > > I > > This may be so but we are seing large VMWARE deployments with largish H > > x86 servers hosting a number of Windows XXXX instances using VMWARE.K > > While this may not be that efficient works and in some cases plays well B > > with the org structure in the account with individual Business; > > Units/Projects having their own Windows XXXX instances.  > > > > > Having a techie discussion about the merits of applicationK > > stacking/consolidation is fine but in many organisations this cannot be J > > imposed by the IT groups on the business units because IT does not ownG > > the equipment and if push comes to shove the BU will simply tell IT 0 > > where to stick their consolidation strategy. > > E > > I am still at a loss to understand how x86-64 differs at all from # > > Itanium in this respect anyway.  > > J > > On Itanium you can run Windows, Linux, HP-UX and OpenVMS on x86-64 you' > > can run Windows, Linux and Solaris.  > C > And in both instances you ignored BSD which is available for both B > architectures, is more efficient and also more free.  Once againD > proving the value of marketing (hype) which is the only thing that > VMS lacks.  C My apologies, of course you can run BSD on Itanium and x86-64 as an ! alternative to Windows and Linux.   D I think people would be less enthusiastic about using BSD to supportG workloads that require very large numbers of CPU's as an alternative to E Solaris on X86 and HP-UX/OpenVMS on Itanium. Though BSD of course has @ Jails a capability that some people think Sun borrowed when they designed Solaris Zones.    regards  Andrew Harrison  >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 08:24:13 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) / Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers 3 Message-ID: <0RqsBDk$xTCg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <4nclc7F9q2trU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > C > And in both instances you ignored BSD which is available for both B > architectures, is more efficient and also more free.  Once againD > proving the value of marketing (hype) which is the only thing that > VMS lacks.  @    If you're going to claim "efficient", you're going to open up<    the human interface efficency of names like grep and case    sensitive file systems.  *    We don't need to go through that again.  7    Why don't you make a more specific claim or drop it?    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2006 13:36:06 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)/ Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers + Message-ID: <4ncue6F9rgntU1@individual.net>   3 In article <0RqsBDk$xTCg@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:X > In article <4nclc7F9q2trU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>  D >> And in both instances you ignored BSD which is available for bothC >> architectures, is more efficient and also more free.  Once again E >> proving the value of marketing (hype) which is the only thing that 
 >> VMS lacks.  > B >    If you're going to claim "efficient", you're going to open up> >    the human interface efficency of names like grep and case >    sensitive file systems. > , >    We don't need to go through that again. > 9 >    Why don't you make a more specific claim or drop it?   C I'm sorry if it offends your sensibilities, but maybe I should have ? been more specific.  I was citing the invocation of Linux as an D option while ignoring the BSD's.  Anyone who has ever taken the timeA to compare the two would easily have seen that the only advantage @ Linux has is more hype.  And, as I have said repeatedly, if hypeD (ie. marketing) can sell a piece of crap like Linux, just think what7 it could have done for a far superior product like VMS.    bill    --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2006 12:22:54 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable+ Message-ID: <4ncq4uF9raf2U2@individual.net>   9 In article <89udnWR0AMlhUY3YnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@libcom.com>, * 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:. >> In article <4nao55F9ginmU3@individual.net>,. >> 	bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:7 >>> In article <2tprmu2VqnuC@eisner.encompasserve.org>, B >>> 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:` >>>> In article <451013F1.90C5A9B@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:? >>>>> Sorry, but a business critical system gets 24/7 support.  I >>>>    Says who?  I've got business critical systems that don't get used ? >>>>    363 days of the year.  When we need them, we need them.  >>>>J >>>>    More to the point, who says those web sites are business critical?F >>>>    What does that school have on its web site that's so critical?L >>> The information that potential students (ie. potential paying customers)J >>> use to decide at which school they are going to pay their tuition.  OrH >>> are you another one of those people who don't think that Univerities2 >>                                           ^^^^^6 >> ooops...                                Remove this >>   >>> aren't really businesses.  >  > Yep, he's from PA.  :-)   G A problem I am hoping will be fixed in the not too distant future.  :-) G Hopefully it is not too late for a complete recovery once that happens.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 08:13:23 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable3 Message-ID: <RwKtfhMVHkhA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <4nao55F9ginmU3@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > J > The information that potential students (ie. potential paying customers)H > use to decide at which school they are going to pay their tuition.  OrF > are you another one of those people who don't think that Univerities > aren't really businesses.   F    Having been a student, and in the process of raising three, I wouldE    not judge any school that I'd take seriously by it's web site, I'd G    just try again later.  There are much more important things to think !    about when selecting a school.   H    As a matter of fact, I tend to be that way about other business, too.  H    Unless, of course, I suddenly found an interest in the School of 24x7
    Web Sites.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 08:16:22 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable3 Message-ID: <QfhEBSR8AG6N@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <45102c52$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> writes: 
 > Not lessJ > than 2 weeks after OpenVMS was part of a major announcement and got someK > good press. Hey, if HP was killing OpenVMS would you have gotten your new > > kits BEFORE the announcement? when has that happened before?      Major announcement?   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2006 13:40:48 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable+ Message-ID: <4ncun0F9rgntU2@individual.net>   3 In article <RwKtfhMVHkhA@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:X > In article <4nao55F9ginmU3@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>  K >> The information that potential students (ie. potential paying customers) I >> use to decide at which school they are going to pay their tuition.  Or G >> are you another one of those people who don't think that Univerities  >> aren't really businesses. > H >    Having been a student, and in the process of raising three, I wouldG >    not judge any school that I'd take seriously by it's web site, I'd I >    just try again later.  There are much more important things to think # >    about when selecting a school.  > J >    As a matter of fact, I tend to be that way about other business, too. > J >    Unless, of course, I suddenly found an interest in the School of 24x7 >    Web Sites.   F Well, working for a University for the last 18 years, I can assure youF you are the exception.  Like most of the world, the potential studentsE and their parents are more impressed with smoke and mirrors than with D real substance.  The number of people actually making on-site visitsF is dropping while the number of applicants is increasing.  What do youG think they are basing their decisions on?  Like it or not, the INTERNET K has become the primary source of information (mother, father, secret lover) % for most decisions being made today.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:10:14 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable: Message-ID: <2dqdnXBTDvdW1ozYnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com>   Dave Froble wrote:   > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >> A few comments: >>G >> I didn't say that the outages meant HGP was out to kill VMS. Someone 0 >> tried to put that argument as mine. It isn't. >>G >> One needs to consider that this isn't an isolated outage. There have E >> been a few outages of late. All requiring a number of hours to fix H >> something that is apparently simple. (in other words, nobody on site,9 >> and/or no software to detect faults and beep someone).  >> >> Re: mission critical nature: K >> If you were a cutsomer with an important problem and the CSC told you to I >> download something from ask the wizzard or FAQ or the freeware to find J >> an example on how to resolve your problem, you'd think it were criticalB >> that the VMS site was down during the very period where you can3 >> implement changes on your own system (weekends).  >  > - > I hate it when JF makes a valid point.  :-)  > J >> ebay or myspace don't sell computers, they don't sell services to buildD >> reliable systems, they don't claim to be such experts in disasterI >> tolerance that they want to sell their expertise. HP does. So whenever H >> one of HO's customer facing systems goes down, it devalues HP's imageD >> with regards to its capabilities to build truly reliable systems. >>E >> And if the VMS servers are physically located in a lights-out data / >> centre, then they should be equipped for it.  >  > H > And if they are in a cubby-hole, serviced by only one person, is that , > person allowed to get any sleep?  At home? > I > How many times in the last year has this happened?  For how much total   > down time? >   G ISTR three or four reports this year.  IRRC all the instances were due   to network problems.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:40:43 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable9 Message-ID: <GvKdnTgDw-On8IzYnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@libcom.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:] > In article <45102c52$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> writes:  >> Not less K >> than 2 weeks after OpenVMS was part of a major announcement and got some L >> good press. Hey, if HP was killing OpenVMS would you have gotten your new? >> kits BEFORE the announcement? when has that happened before?  >  >    Major announcement? >   F He's probably referring to the release of V8.3.  I may have seen some E other stuff also.  But if it's V8.3, then yeah, I think that the VMS  G people are entitled to consider the release of a new version of the OS  F as a major announcement.  Just consider the noise Microsoft will make 8 when they foist their latest piece of s**t on the world.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:52:35 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable9 Message-ID: <yP2dnU20kLmZ7YzYnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Jf Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote:J >> Yeah, right!  The first thing they'll do is shitcan the site running onF >> VMS, bring it into their main web server location(s), and run it on >> windoz.   > G > That is a really tough decision.  There are advantages to both sides.  > H > If you do choose to have VMS run on VMS, then perhaps it could be usedG > to showcase VMS's ability to cluster across distant buildings (within H > new england). This would add a greater amount of availability. And the> > VMS group  *might* be able to afford a DS10L from Island :-) > G > If you're going to be using the web site to showcase VMS's abilities, 8 > you might as well go all out and really showcase them.  F I'd guess that Warren would like to do so.  Can't speak for him.  I'd E also guess that he isn't given the resources to do so.  With all the  F networking DEC has/had I'd think a multi-site cluster would be rather  easy to implement.  H If HP has set up a multi-site disaster tolerant organization to run all F their web sites, I can understand them not funding in any major way a < separate web site, such as we're told the VMS and Tru64 are.  A >> The next time you want to advocate something stupid, go take a K >> bike ride instead.  Hmmm......  if you follow that advice, you'll be the  >> next Lance Armstrong.  :-)  > H > Sorry, am not into drugs (unless you consider chocolate to be a drug).  E Ok, I'll be a bit less subtle.  You'll be taking lots of bike rides.   Better?  :-)   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:44:33 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable9 Message-ID: <GvKdnTsDw-O984zYnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@libcom.com>    Jf Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote:. >> I hate it when JF makes a valid point.  :-) > * > Don't worry, it doesn't happen often :-)  I Wow!  You're really getting mean.  Taking away my opportunities to point  < out how irrational you are.  Now you self proclaim the fact.      (and on your line, it should  > have been a :-(    I'll stick with the :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:21:19 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable2 Message-ID: <4511788F.6040209@applied-synergy.com>   warren sander wrote: > G > At some point in the data center consolidation process I will need to L > relocate the servers. I'm trying to stay away from that process as long asN > possible as there are others in hp.com who are working that process and haveI > gotten my input. but it's an issue around relocation of the servers, ip ; > address, cnames, downtime for move, support, etc etc etc.  > G > all this stuff is very near and dear to our hearts but not so much to 	 > others.    Warren,   H It seems that the recent outages have not been the fault of the server,  but have been network problems.   F Would going to dual ethernet controllers with connections to separate A switches be helpful?  Or have the problems been further upstream?    Your work is appreciated.    Thanx!   --  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 10:26:37 -0700- From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailableB Message-ID: <1158773197.432623.264650@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   Dave Froble wrote: > Jf Mezei wrote:  > > Dave Froble wrote:L > >> Yeah, right!  The first thing they'll do is shitcan the site running onH > >> VMS, bring it into their main web server location(s), and run it on > >> windoz. > > I > > That is a really tough decision.  There are advantages to both sides.  > > J > > If you do choose to have VMS run on VMS, then perhaps it could be usedI > > to showcase VMS's ability to cluster across distant buildings (within J > > new england). This would add a greater amount of availability. And the@ > > VMS group  *might* be able to afford a DS10L from Island :-) > >   E That's way too logical and would require someone in HP's mangement to  actually care about VMS.  I > > If you're going to be using the web site to showcase VMS's abilities, : > > you might as well go all out and really showcase them. > G > I'd guess that Warren would like to do so.  Can't speak for him.  I'd F > also guess that he isn't given the resources to do so.  With all theG > networking DEC has/had I'd think a multi-site cluster would be rather  > easy to implement. >   B Maybe HP can't afford the cluster license or the extra hardware. IE think maybe if someone requisitioned it as a Backup Printer Server it C might go through. I know Digital had good luck selling Programmable < Data Processors under Big-Blue Department radar for a while.  I > If HP has set up a multi-site disaster tolerant organization to run all G > their web sites, I can understand them not funding in any major way a > > separate web site, such as we're told the VMS and Tru64 are. >   A Most of HP's web servers appear to be running HP-UX (according to 
 netcraft).  C The quality and reliability level of ITRC forums web service seem a = good indicator for HP management's concern about such things.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 08:32:54 -0700$ From: "roger" <rogerntucker@msn.com>9 Subject: Re: Inquirer on VMS support outsourcing to India B Message-ID: <1158766374.304378.200920@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>  D Stop using the name 8086 --- is an old CPU and old architecture; theB correct name was given by Hoff:  Intel IA-32e or AMD AMD64/x86-64.  9 Yes, Hoff - we hear you ---  We just don't agree with it! . If VMS doens't port - VMS will have no future./ So please HP ---- port it!  And start quickly..  .    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:38:27 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: Lynx (was: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever  * Message-ID: <4511606e@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Tom Linden wrote: 2 > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:35:05 -0700, Bob Koehler 2 > <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote: > K >>    I use Lynx to make sure I'm meeting some of the web page requirements  >>    for web services today.  > H > Is there a VMS install available, or do you have to build it yourself?  %    Recent Lynx bits are available at:   C      http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware80/lynx2-8-6dev-18/   P    The W3C tools <http://www.w3c.org/> can verify the compliance of a web page, P and there are commercial packages such as Adobe/Macromedia Dreamweaver that can K provide page verification options, and there are HTML "lint" and lint-like  P verification tools available. <http://sourceforge.net/projects/html-lint/> is a 0 perl-based page verification tool, for instance.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 00:22:05 -0700 From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net. Subject: Missing administer.exe Pathworks v6.1C Message-ID: <1158736925.181697.303600@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hello B Just where is administer.exe on a Pathworks Advanced Server. It is suppose to be inD [sys0.syscommon.][sysexe], but looking on different systems I cannot find it nor even# a logical pointing to the exe file.  PLUTO> admin2 %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image ADMINISTER% -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not found * $101$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]ADMINIS TER.EXE; PLUTO>* Looking for the file on another 6.1 system8 APACHE> dir dka0:[sys0.syscommon.][sysexe]administer.exe! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found  APACHE> E I really donot want to reinstall Pathworks not unless I just need to.  thanks phillip    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:42:15 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>2 Subject: Re: Missing administer.exe Pathworks v6.1+ Message-ID: <rh6Qg.10247$2P3.6469@trnddc02>    tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:  > Hello D > Just where is administer.exe on a Pathworks Advanced Server. It is > suppose to be inF > [sys0.syscommon.][sysexe], but looking on different systems I cannot > find it nor even% > a logical pointing to the exe file.  > PLUTO> admin4 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image ADMINISTER' > -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not found , > $101$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]ADMINIS
 > TER.EXE; > PLUTO>, > Looking for the file on another 6.1 system: > APACHE> dir dka0:[sys0.syscommon.][sysexe]administer.exe# > %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found 	 > APACHE> G > I really donot want to reinstall Pathworks not unless I just need to.  > thanks	 > phillip   B I've never used pathworks, but I think you might be looking in the wrong place...  ; The error message you are getting is probably the result of ? the ADMIN command looking for the program in sys$system:, which ; is a search-list logical name.  The first thing in the list < is usually the node-specific [sysexe] directory, followed by> the cluster-common [sysexe] directory, and the message you see? is the result of translating the last path, and failing to find E the file there.  ($ show logical sys$system to see the translations.)   G So on the other system, you want to look for sys$system:administer.exe,  i.e.(    APACHE> dir sys$system:administer.exe  @ To verify what file the "ADMIN" command is actually looking for,? you might want to check out the "VERB" utility on the Freeware. $ It dumps out the DCL command tables.  A Since the command is defined (and appears from the error messages B to be a DCL command and not a foreign command defined as a symbol)? Pathworks must have been installed at some point.  Does it work = at all?  Maybe there is a system startup file or a login file @ that needs to be executed to define appropriate logical names orK symbols?  (Probably named something like sys$startup:pathworks$startup.com) < Could some other layered or 3rd-party product have also been< installed that defined its own "ADMIN" command, trouncing on Pathworks's?   HTH.   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:04:49 GMT & From: "PEN" <paul.nunez.nosp@m.hp.com>2 Subject: Re: Missing administer.exe Pathworks v6.1. Message-ID: <lf9Qg.192$u5.72@news.cpqcorp.net>   Hi,   , <tomarsin2015@comcast.net> wrote in message = news:1158736925.181697.303600@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  > Hello D > Just where is administer.exe on a Pathworks Advanced Server. It is > suppose to be inF > [sys0.syscommon.][sysexe], but looking on different systems I cannot > find it nor even% > a logical pointing to the exe file.  > PLUTO> admin4 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image ADMINISTER' > -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not found , > $101$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]ADMINIS
 > TER.EXE; > PLUTO>, > Looking for the file on another 6.1 system: > APACHE> dir dka0:[sys0.syscommon.][sysexe]administer.exe# > %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found 	 > APACHE> G > I really donot want to reinstall Pathworks not unless I just need to.  > thanks	 > phillip  >   > The $ ADMIN command in PATHWORKS v6 should point to the image  sys$system:pwrk$manager.exe.   $ mc pwrk$manager  PWRKTEST2\\MACCES>  4 ADMINISTER.EXE is the PATHWORKS v5  ADMIN interface.  A So sounds like an old  DCLTABLES.EXE has been put back in use or   something...   HTH,   Paul6 It sounds like your DCLTABLES.EXE isn't the right one    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:44:40 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> ) Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS + Message-ID: <4ndda5F9so4iU2@individual.net>   ( On 2006-09-18 17:03, "Alan Greig" wrote:  J > What's the problem with Thundebird offline? It supports working offline G > and can batch download/upload. It can even keep local copies of IMAP  = > folders. You can mark any folder/newsgroup for offline use.   E I didn't test Thunderbird myself -- my impression is based on lots of F complaints in the (german) newsgroup de.comm.software.mozilla.mailnewsF and questions asking for "add-ins", "tools", etc to make offline usage "satisfactory".    > [...]    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:47:43 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> ) Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS + Message-ID: <4ndda6F9so4iU3@individual.net>   ( On 2006-09-18 00:05, "Paul Sture" wrote:   > [...]  > - > How does SeaMonkey differ for dialup users?   G I don't know -- yet. I'm just about to test SeaMonkey (v1.0.5, IIRC) on # a new notebook (running WinXP SP2).   H "Dialup" is relevant for newsgroups to minimize (time-based) ISP fees --F go online, download *all* new messages (headlines and message *bodies*D as well), go offline again, then read messages, compose replies, and send them out as a batch.    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:58:44 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>Y Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL:  Will it ever join the 21st  8 Message-ID: <U1aQg.1776$PD.25@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Paul Sture wrote:    > M > One clue however is that in the server setting for mail, there is a "fetch  M > headers only" checkbox, which isn't there in the corresponding news server   > dialogue.   H Double checking that's the same as I see. I've done a few trials and it G seems the way they expect you to do it is to always use the File->Work  E Online/Offline toggle (with newsgroups marked for offline use). This  H seems to reliably download the message bodies for newsgroups - at least  for me.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 08:35:05 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) I Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever 3 Message-ID: <spnPcG5axdM$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <Rp%Pg.10$2g4.4@dukeread09>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes: > 4 > I would say they do not meet standard requirements > for browsers today.   H    I use Lynx to make sure I'm meeting some of the web page requirements    for web services today.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:06:44 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>I Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever ) Message-ID: <op.tf6j5ih3tte90l@hyrrokkin>   1 On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:35:05 -0700, Bob Koehler   0 <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  J >    I use Lynx to make sure I'm meeting some of the web page requirements >    for web services today.  F Is there a VMS install available, or do you have to build it yourself?   --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:55:26 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> I Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever B Message-ID: <0001HW.C137310E008DB522F02845B0@mac.sture.homeip.net>  4 On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:06:44 +0200, Tom Linden wrote+ (in article <op.tf6j5ih3tte90l@hyrrokkin>):   3 > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:35:05 -0700, Bob Koehler   2 > <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote: > H >> I use Lynx to make sure I'm meeting some of the web page requirements >> for web services today. > H > Is there a VMS install available, or do you have to build it yourself? >  >   L No VMSINSTAL. The distribution does have a .EXE, creation date  2-MAY-2000, / but I don't know which stack it was built with.   N The VMS build procedure (BUILD.COM) asks you what TCP/IP stack you are using. @ Once finished, copy the .EXE and .CFG file to where you want it.   --     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:31:04 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>I Subject: Re: Mozilla Thunderbird with VMS (was:Re: VMS MAIL: Will it ever ) Message-ID: <op.tf6qt2fhtte90l@hyrrokkin>   0 On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:55:26 -0700, Paul Sture  % <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> wrote:   6 > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:06:44 +0200, Tom Linden wrote- > (in article <op.tf6j5ih3tte90l@hyrrokkin>):  > 2 >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:35:05 -0700, Bob Koehler3 >> <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:  >>I >>> I use Lynx to make sure I'm meeting some of the web page requirements  >>> for web services today.  >>I >> Is there a VMS install available, or do you have to build it yourself?  >> >> > C > No VMSINSTAL. The distribution does have a .EXE, creation date    
 > 2-MAY-2000, 1 > but I don't know which stack it was built with.  > J > The VMS build procedure (BUILD.COM) asks you what TCP/IP stack you are   > using.B > Once finished, copy the .EXE and .CFG file to where you want it. > " Thanks, when I get a spare moment.       --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 08:14:16 -0700 From: sean@obanion.us 4 Subject: Re: Netbeans IDE$SERVER connection problemsC Message-ID: <1158765256.717048.325210@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   @ Looks like you have Java 1.5.0 on Windows and Java 1.4.2 on VMS.3 I think these have to be the same versions of Java.      Sean   Ingi wrote:  > Hi > I > I'm trying to connect Netbeans IDE 5.5 Beta 2 to the IDE$SERVER running 4 > on OpenVMS 8.2/ALPHA but the connection times out. > I > I defined the IDE$VERBOSE_LOG so this is what I get (for one connection # > try) into ide$logs:ide$server.log  > E > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:login process for the user:isiz started 6 > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:user:isiz:thread started, > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:getResourceID:) > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:status!2280 > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:user process cache:checkIfUnique4 > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:create:IDE$USER_MOOWXK. > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:channel:613424964 > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:assign:IDE$USER_MOOWXK? > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:assign:resnameStr:IDE$USER_MOOWXK @ > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:server thread startIDE$USER_MOOWXK) > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:DLC file to * > execute:ide$scratch:distnb_user45451tmp.> > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:Changing owner and protection of" > ide$scratch:distnb_user45451tmp.( > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:pid:243263. > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:setPortImpl:1099% > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:getEFN: 0 > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:setPortImpl:efn:62( > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:freeEFN:62 > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PMc > CEST:setSecurityContextImpl:org.netbeans.modules.distributed.rmi.impl.SecurityContextImpl@837c832 % > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:getEFN: ; > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:setSecurityContextImpl:efn:62 ( > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:freeEFN:62B > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:user:isiz:waiting for server startup< > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:number of seconds to wait :120 > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PMF > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKI > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > 2006/09/15 17:08:23 PMF > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKI > 2006/09/15 17:08:23 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > 2006/09/15 17:08:24 PMF > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKI > 2006/09/15 17:08:24 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > 2006/09/15 17:08:25 PMF > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKI > 2006/09/15 17:08:25 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > 2006/09/15 17:08:26 PMF > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKI > 2006/09/15 17:08:26 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > 2006/09/15 17:08:27 PMF > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKI > 2006/09/15 17:08:27 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > 2006/09/15 17:08:28 PMF > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKI > 2006/09/15 17:08:28 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > 2006/09/15 17:08:29 PMF > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKI > 2006/09/15 17:08:29 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > 2006/09/15 17:08:30 PMF > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKI > 2006/09/15 17:08:30 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > 2006/09/15 17:08:31 PMF > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKI > 2006/09/15 17:08:31 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK 6 > 2006/09/15 17:08:32 PM CEST:checking on user servers > 2006/09/15 17:08:32 PMF > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKI > 2006/09/15 17:08:32 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK G > 2006/09/15 17:08:34 PM CEST:user process cache:adding(userName:isiz:#  > of SecurityContext 1) 7 > 2006/09/15 17:08:34 PM CEST:connected:IDE$USER_MOOWXK 6 > 2006/09/15 17:09:32 PM CEST:checking on user serversF > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:Connection refused to host: 192.168.0.1; > nested exception is:9 >         java.net.ConnectException: connection timed out ' > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:deassign: ) > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:destroyMbx: 7 > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:user:isiz:thread finished 7 > 2006/09/15 17:10:46 PM CEST:unbinding IDE$USER_MOOWXK @ > 2006/09/15 17:10:46 PM CEST:stopProcess:IDE$USER_MOOWXK:2432636 > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:checking on user serversC > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:isProcessAlive:IDE$USER_MOOWXK:243263 / > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:error status!2280 7 > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:unbinding IDE$USER_MOOWXK - > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:IDE$USER_MOOWXK * > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:user process$ > cache:removing(sc:IDE$USER_MOOWXK)7 > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:unbinding IDE$USER_MOOWXK - > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:IDE$USER_MOOWXK @ > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:stopProcess:IDE$USER_MOOWXK:243263/ > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:error status!2280  >  > 2 > The Remote server diagnostics reveals following:" > Remote Server Diagnostics Report# > ================================= " > Distributed NetBeans Client Info" > --------------------------------D > org.netbeans.modules.distributed                    5.0.10	enabled >  >  > NetBeans Environment > --------------------< > Product version	NetBeans Platform Dev (Build 200607190830) > OS info:	Windows XP 5.1 x86 < > JDK Info:	1.5.0_06 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM 1.5.0_06-b05G >                 Sun Microsystems Inc. C:\Program\Java\jdk1.5.0_06\jre * > Home dir:	C:\Documents and Settings\ISIZ+ > Current dir:	C:\Program\netbeans-5.5beta2 7 > NetBeans home:	C:\Program\netbeans-5.5beta2\platform6 = > User dir:	C:\Documents and Settings\ISIZ\.netbeans\5.5beta2  >  >  > Remote Connection Tests  > ----------------------- D > Server Name/IP Address                              <somenodename>: > OpenVMS Username                                    isiz: > Server host Connectivity                            PASS: > IDE$SERVER Availability                             PASS# >         Server version is T5.0-01 : > User Authentication                                 PASS: > Quota Checks                                        PASS >  > ( > Default device is DISK$<somediskname>: > Default directory is [ISIZ]  >  >  >  >  > User Login Environment > ---------------------- > : > JDK Setup                                           PASS: > JVM Logical Redefinition                            PASS: > RMI Port Redefinition                               PASS: > Verbose Log Enabled                                 PASS: > F$MODE() Test                                       PASS: > ODS_5 Check                                         FAIL: > Process Privs Check                                 PASS: > IDE$SERVER Process Running                          PASS: > FTP Service Started                                 PASS: > SMB Server Started                                  FAIL: > PWIP Service Started                                FAIL: > BASH Command Defined                                FAIL > + > I'm not dependent upon the FAILing steps.  > ! > The Java version on OpenVMS is:  > java version "1.4.2"2 > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionF > Classic VM (build 1.4.2-4.p2, 05/09/2005-10:05, native threads, jit) > E > I've also defined the IDE$HOST_IPNAME to the ip-address of the host < > were the IDE$SERVER is running, but with the same results. > C > I did follow the installation instructions and changed the quotas / > accordingly for the user I'm connecting with.  > I > Does anyone have a clue on what to change to make this thingy working ?  > 	 > Regards  > - Ingi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 19:18:28 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>% Subject: Re: non printable characters * Message-ID: <45107ac3@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Joe the Aroma wrote:M > How would I go about sending the non-printable characters for "down arrow"  N > and "the gold key" into a VMS command file? I've figured that "^I" seems to  > be the "do" character.    P    Would you mind posting some information around the particular problem(s) you 8 looking to solve here?  Some background would be useful.  Q    The PF1 (GOLD) key and the arrow keys are control sequences; they're multiple  P characters, starting with an escape character or a CSI character or such.   The K DO key is F16.  CTRL/I is the Horizontal Tab (Tab) character.  (Details on  L characters and keys and such are in various terminal manuals and various of N these are referenced via the OpenVMS FAQ, and a general description is in the Q I/O User's Reference Manual.  See the examples of IO$M_EXTEND around the OpenVMS  O Freeware and elsewhere, too, for a single I/O $qio[w] that reads a single key,  3 or reads a control sequence as a single operation.)   N    Command files are operating in-board from where the keyboard is operating. K You're sending keys from the keyboard into the system through the terminal  P driver, while the command procedures are operating with different path into the M host.  (Command input into the procedure itself arrives through the terminal  J driver and output from it does go through the terminal driver, of course.)  I    One of the usual ways to provide direct control over a terminal-based  Q application is via a pseudo-terminal.   (See the I/O User's Reference Manual for  P details on PTD pseudo-terminal routines and related).  The application can read L and write via the pseudo-terminal, and that can allow the application to be P sitting in the same general position in the driver stack as the user sitting at  the keyboard.)   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 13:26:01 +0200/ From: huber@NIRWANA-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) % Subject: Re: non printable characters + Message-ID: <0AqRKXIEaSTy@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   o In article <4510589a$0$572$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>, "Joe the Aroma" <schizam2001@yahoo.com> writes: M > How would I go about sending the non-printable characters for "down arrow"  N > and "the gold key" into a VMS command file? I've figured that "^I" seems to  > be the "do" character.   > J As Hoff mentioned, You need some program which returns a single keystroke I (which effectively is an ANSI or DEC escape sequence in case of cursor or  auxiliary keypad keys)A from sys$command: (or TT: or sys$input if not in a command file).   9 One such freeware program is my TASTE utility, find it at .   http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber/util/main/  F This program uses SMG$ to get the key, and returns it in a DCL symbol.    --  @    Joseph Huber , Muenchen,Germany:  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 08:28:09 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: non printable characters 3 Message-ID: <uJjGs7Bi8UTj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <4510589a$0$572$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>, "Joe the Aroma" <schizam2001@yahoo.com> writes:   M > How would I go about sending the non-printable characters for "down arrow"  N > and "the gold key" into a VMS command file? I've figured that "^I" seems to  > be the "do" character.    D    All of these keys send escape sequences (multiple characters, the?    first of which is escape).  ^I for "do" may not be reliable.   C    But instead of embedding the escape sequences in a command file, A    why don't you tell us what you're trying to accomplish.  There !    may very well be a better way.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:29:59 -0400 - From: "Joe the Aroma" <schizam2001@yahoo.com> % Subject: Re: non printable characters ? Message-ID: <45114f95$0$573$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>   I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:uJjGs7Bi8UTj@eisner.encompasserve.org... K > In article <4510589a$0$572$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>, "Joe the  ( > Aroma" <schizam2001@yahoo.com> writes: > G >> How would I go about sending the non-printable characters for "down  	 >> arrow" L >> and "the gold key" into a VMS command file? I've figured that "^I" seems  >> to  >> be the "do" character.  > E >   All of these keys send escape sequences (multiple characters, the @ >   first of which is escape).  ^I for "do" may not be reliable. > D >   But instead of embedding the escape sequences in a command file,B >   why don't you tell us what you're trying to accomplish.  There" >   may very well be a better way. > M I am dealing with a proprietary application which requires i move the cursor  F over an item and "flip" it with the gold key and then "do" to make my F changes. I'm trying to imbed it in a file that automates the changes.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:59:50 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk4 Subject: SSL cryptographic web browser vulnerability, Message-ID: <eerhgl$5g9$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  8 http://www.cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/securebrowser/  L provides details of a cryptographic vulnerability in the SSL implementation " of a large number of web browsers.  I The attack allows someone to forge arbitrary certificates if the signing  K certificate has a public exponent of 3. The forgery will not be detected by K affected browsers which have root certificates with an RSA public exponent  L of 3 installed - there are a number of such certificates installed in common	 browsers.   F The recommendation is to upgrade to the latest unaffected versions of 	 browsers.   N Versions of Mozilla/SeaMonkey and Netscape are vulnerable - hence it is likely1 that the version of Mozilla on VMS is vulnerable.   ' Details are also on the Mozilla site at   > http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2006/mfsa2006-60.html        
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University      ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 08:18:30 -0700( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>8 Subject: Re: SSL cryptographic web browser vulnerabilityB Message-ID: <1158765510.364361.56970@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: : > http://www.cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/securebrowser/ > M > provides details of a cryptographic vulnerability in the SSL implementation $ > of a large number of web browsers. > J > The attack allows someone to forge arbitrary certificates if the signingM > certificate has a public exponent of 3. The forgery will not be detected by L > affected browsers which have root certificates with an RSA public exponentN > of 3 installed - there are a number of such certificates installed in common > browsers.  > G > The recommendation is to upgrade to the latest unaffected versions of  > browsers.  > P > Versions of Mozilla/SeaMonkey and Netscape are vulnerable - hence it is likely3 > that the version of Mozilla on VMS is vulnerable.  > ) > Details are also on the Mozilla site at  > @ > http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2006/mfsa2006-60.html >  >  >  >  > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University  G Well I hope that HP is going to take some steps to correct this for the D VMS browsers.  For now I'm yanking the affected certificates, but as= the article notes thats not a fix, just a preventive measure.    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 06 12:02:29 EDT) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) 8 Subject: Re: SSL cryptographic web browser vulnerability! Message-ID: <pp9hbSRz7Zov@wvnvms>   M In article <eerhgl$5g9$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: : > http://www.cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/securebrowser/ > N > provides details of a cryptographic vulnerability in the SSL implementation $ > of a large number of web browsers. > K > The attack allows someone to forge arbitrary certificates if the signing  M > certificate has a public exponent of 3. The forgery will not be detected by M > affected browsers which have root certificates with an RSA public exponent  N > of 3 installed - there are a number of such certificates installed in common > browsers.  > H > The recommendation is to upgrade to the latest unaffected versions of  > browsers.  > P > Versions of Mozilla/SeaMonkey and Netscape are vulnerable - hence it is likely3 > that the version of Mozilla on VMS is vulnerable.  > ) > Details are also on the Mozilla site at  > @ > http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2006/mfsa2006-60.html >   F Because the problem is in OpenSSL, VMS Mosaic is also vulnerable.  See  / http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20060905.txt   F for the OpenSSL Security Advisory which explains how to update OpenSSL to remove the vulnerability.  H The current release of HP SSL should also have the vulnerability.  UsersJ of VMS Mosaic with HP SSL should either remove the vulnerable certificates9 from CERT.PEM or switch to an updated release of OpenSSL.      George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 10:32:30 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>8 Subject: Re: SSL cryptographic web browser vulnerabilityC Message-ID: <1158773550.690424.241300@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    According to7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ssl/ssl.html   E HP SSL Version 1.3 for OpenVMS is based on OpenSSL OpenSSL 0.9.7e and F was released on 01-SEP-2006 which is before OpenSSL released the fixes? for this problem. So I think HP SSL V1.3 will have the problem.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:02:08 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> 8 Subject: Re: using HEXADECIMALS with HELP/MESSAGE/STATUS: Message-ID: <idmdnR8yN_l71IzYnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@comcast.com>   thick_guy_9 wrote:   > Guys > H > HELP HELP/MESSAGE/STATUS says we CAN use Hexas to view the message for > a given status code. >   > Why then, does the below fail?" > $ help/message/status=0x17649a01: > %DCL-W-NUMBER, invalid numeric value - supply an integer >  \0X17649A01\  > $  >  > thx  >   G It fails because you omitted the required leading "%".  Without it "X"  / is not a legal character.  See HELP DCL INTEGER    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 08:50:19 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com  Subject: Re: VMS712_DS20E-V010C Message-ID: <1158767419.182050.274530@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   < http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/pub/patches/vms/axp/v7.1-2/   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 08:53:02 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com  Subject: Re: VMS712_DS20E-V010A Message-ID: <1158767582.836440.13170@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    b...@instantwhip.com wrote: > > http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/pub/patches/vms/axp/v7.1-2/    . do I win a free ds20e with 7.1-2 installed? :)   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 09:38:50 -0700( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> Subject: Re: VMS712_DS20E-V010C Message-ID: <1158770330.386832.246860@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > b...@instantwhip.com wrote: @ > > http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/pub/patches/vms/axp/v7.1-2/ >  > 0 > do I win a free ds20e with 7.1-2 installed? :)  E David, you've created a monster.  Its the "entitlement mentality" and 2 once aroused its ever so hard to beat back down...   ;)   Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:55:09 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> Subject: Re: VMS712_DS20E-V010* Message-ID: <45116456@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  # Island Computers, D B Turner wrote: K > Anyone know where I can find this patch kit or if anyone has a link or an J > ISO they can send me that would be rather luverly  (in Pigmalian accent)  A ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/archived_patches/openvms_patches/axp7x.html    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 04:35:02 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: zx2000 ? C Message-ID: <1158752102.798128.295790@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote:6 > In article <45105b86$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "FredK"& > <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:G > >Remove the graphics card.  Stick a VMS V8.3 Installation CD into the / > >system - and you should be cooking with gas.  > > 8 > >"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> wrote in message& > >news:op.tf4wa8jttte90l@hyrrokkin...@ > >Just powered one up using the console interface to hyperterm,? > >which is set 9600-8-N-1, the keyboard thru hyperterm doesn't @ > >seem to respond, but it displayed a Redhat login prompt.  Are > >the settings wrong? > >  > >AT4 > >Red Hat Enterprise Linux release 2.9.5AS (Taroon)$ > >Kernel 2.4.21-4.0.1.EL on an ia64 > > # > >cn-sfo1-pma-ia64.cnet.com login:  > >  > >-- H > >Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > >  > >  > >  > E > A Radeon 7500 AGP card runs nicely on a ZX2000. If you want to boot  > C > from DVD you have to use the harddisk cable instead of the CD-ROM  >  > cable.    @ The AGP Radeon works under OpenVMS on a ZX2000?  I was under theG impression that it would not.  Or did I read your post wrong?  I have a B ZX6000, but I haven't tried installing OpenVMS yet.  It has an IDEF CD/DVD-ROM drive so I don't know how I would switch the cables to boot it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 06:11:27 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> Subject: Re: zx2000 ? ) Message-ID: <op.tf6hldsitte90l@hyrrokkin>   I On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:04:13 -0700, FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>  =    wrote:  7 > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> wrote in message % > news:op.tf4wa8jttte90l@hyrrokkin... ? > Just powered one up using the console interface to hyperterm, > > which is set 9600-8-N-1, the keyboard thru hyperterm doesn't? > seem to respond, but it displayed a Redhat login prompt.  Are  > the settings wrong?  >  > =7FAT 3 > Red Hat Enterprise Linux release 2.9.5AS (Taroon) # > Kernel 2.4.21-4.0.1.EL on an ia64  > " > cn-sfo1-pma-ia64.cnet.com login: >  > @ > My guess is that the console path is set to the graphics card. > I Yes, it was.  Should have known since the connectors were upside down:-)=          -- =  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:53:34 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> Subject: Re: zx2000 ? ) Message-ID: <op.tf6mbk0rtte90l@hyrrokkin>   = On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:44:22 -0700, Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann   , <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote:  E > A Radeon 7500 AGP card runs nicely on a ZX2000. If you want to boot C > from DVD you have to use the harddisk cable instead of the CD-ROM  > cable.  H Have a spare Plextor 740 (doesn't work in Alpha) do you think it might  
 work here?! If not how about Hitachi GD-7500?    --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:40:08 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> Subject: Re: zx2000 ? * Message-ID: <451160d2@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:   > Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote: > 2 >> A Radeon 7500 AGP card runs nicely on a ZX2000. >  >   That's good to know.  P    BTW: Any display artifact seen?  What resolution and refresh have you tried? M   Any special configuration steps, or did you just plug it into the AGP slot?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:52:11 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> Subject: Re: zx2000 ? * Message-ID: <451163a5@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Tom Linden wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:44:22 -0700, Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann . > <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote: > F >> A Radeon 7500 AGP card runs nicely on a ZX2000. If you want to bootD >> from DVD you have to use the harddisk cable instead of the CD-ROM	 >> cable.  > I > Have a spare Plextor 740 (doesn't work in Alpha) do you think it might   > work here?# > If not how about Hitachi GD-7500?   P    Tom is apparently switching from AGP graphics on a zx2000 to a discussion of  CD/DVD drives on Alpha.   Q    What are the symptoms of the failures?  System version and hardware?  Errors?  O   etc.  I've informally and briefly tested with the unsupported Plextor PX716A  > series drive with the V8.3 code, and that's seemed functional.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:26:04 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> Subject: Re: zx2000 ? ) Message-ID: <op.tf6tdqzvtte90l@hyrrokkin>   L On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:52:11 -0700, Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>   wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote: @ >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:44:22 -0700, Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann  / >> <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote:  >>G >>> A Radeon 7500 AGP card runs nicely on a ZX2000. If you want to boot E >>> from DVD you have to use the harddisk cable instead of the CD-ROM 
 >>> cable.L >>  Have a spare Plextor 740 (doesn't work in Alpha) do you think it might  
 >> work here? $ >> If not how about Hitachi GD-7500? > E >    Tom is apparently switching from AGP graphics on a zx2000 to a   ' > discussion of CD/DVD drives on Alpha.  > L >    What are the symptoms of the failures?  System version and hardware?   K > Errors?   etc.  I've informally and briefly tested with the unsupported   E > Plextor PX716A series drive with the V8.3 code, and that's seemed   
 > functional.   H Actually, never was asking about graphics card, it was my confusion overD which was the serial console.  Eberhard brought that up.  I didn't  
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