1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 21 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 518       Contents:A Re: Debugging image invoked by SYMBIONT via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL , Re: DSPP: Delete Successful Product Programs, Re: DSPP: Delete Successful Product Programs: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L & Re: HP announces new Integrity servers Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Re: non printable characters Re: non printable characters( Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS, Re: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS, Re: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS Re: VMS712_DS20E-V010  Re: VMS712_DS20E-V010  Re: zx2000 ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:36:13 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>J Subject: Re: Debugging image invoked by SYMBIONT via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, Message-ID: <4511A637.3050DFCD@teksavvy.com>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: " > That calls for debugging output: > : > Does rab have a non-zero address?  What is that address?  D The rab is a valid address, and I am able to succesfully do SYS$GETsF from it to get the text of a message being processed by the TCPIP SMTP0 symbiont and being sent to my foreign transport.  H the rab.rab$l_fab seems to contyain a valid address because I am able toE get some stuff from it. Also, I do not think it is posisble to have a G rab that doesn't point to a valid fab. Forthermore, in the undocumented H documentation on foreign transport, it is mentioned that one may have toF use $DISCONNECT on the rab and $CONNECt again after having changed itsD features, meaning that the fab must be valid. (extract fab from rab,> $diconnect, modify rab, $CONNECT the modified rab to the fab).  # so, I extract the fab from the rab.    the fab$b_fns = 29     fab$l_fna = 3690102   N But if I try to access the string located at the fna, it has access violation.  E And I think that the fab$l_nam is an invalid pointer. Will have to do  further tests tonight.  E > If I understand things properly, you've been handed a record stream D > (a RAB) and now, instead of reading or writing from the stream youH > are chasing down the FABs and NAMs trying to figure out the file name.H > It seems to me that you are venturing into unspecified territory here.  F Yes and no. I know the FAB is supposed to be valid by definition.  AndG consider that when a properly designed foreign transport gets a FOREIGN G mail message (aka: binary file), it needs to do special processing with G $READ $WRITE instead of $GET $PUT in order to fully preserve the file,s E attribute (think about sending an indexed file/FOREIGN). (Now, if onl C the VMS engineers could release appemdix C which describes the file P attributes structures so that we could really handle FOREIGN messages properly).  G The problemn is that the TCPIP Symbiont doesn't seem to have considered > all possibilities. It only deals with one type of file format.  E > Nobody told the caller that he was responsible for maintaining file F > name information for you.  If we're in symbiont context, opening theK > data file by file ID rather than file name would be entirely appropriate.   E That is a fair point. However, in the case of the TCPIP symbiont, the E "entry" is just a control file, and in it, it has data pointing to an C actual file name containing the actual text of the message.  So the ; symbiont would be dealing with file names for the contents.   E In fairness, I don't absolutely need the file name. I had it in there E for debugging purposes, and it took a while to get to a point where I , realised that the symbiont didn't supply it.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 11:42:03 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>5 Subject: Re: DSPP: Delete Successful Product Programs C Message-ID: <1158777723.806415.238650@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    ?reference?   D I know I can get VMS I64 for free and openvms alpha layered products	 for free.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:50:40 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: DSPP: Delete Successful Product Programs , Message-ID: <4511A999.6EF23AC7@teksavvy.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > O > No more SDK!  No more access to OpenVMS distros.  No more 3rd party products.   E is this an Alpha thing, or does this change cover both Alpha and that F IA64 thing ? Since HP is about to stop Alpha sales,  the portfolion ofD Alpha apps is no longer relevant to HP since they aren't going to be* showcasing this to any potential customer.    E And in terms of the reaction to this, my guess is that contacting Sue  might be the best avenue.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:44:55 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGC Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 0 Message-ID: <00A5C04B.CD74004A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <4511a694$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  >  > X >In article <12glvkp2jer3kb8@news.supernews.com>, "islandco" <dturner@icusc.com> writes:J >>7th Email to dturner@icusc.com gets a free Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz with  >>30GB IDE disk and 256MB memory >>K >>Shipping is not included: USA $30 Europe and the rest of the world please  >>call or email me ! > L >Now I got it (the original posting, not the system ;-). Only 5 days late...  H David's gesture was nice but many didn't receive notice until well afterG the deadline.  I still don't understand the 5 7th email winners myself.   G Looks like I'm forever destined to run on 2nd gen Alpha boxes (all with G the venerable d|i|g|i|t|a|l logos), a dead Itanium, and be foresaken by J the Hopelessly Pathetic better way of disservice to the OpenVMS faithful.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 14:39:55 -04003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 . Message-ID: <mdd1wq6bcw4.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  * bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  M > (Actually, it could also be partly the fault of this really lousy keyboard. ) > I should just get myself another one!!)   & Why don't you get a good one, instead?   --  L Rich Alderson                                       | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |L news@alderson.users.panix.com                       | \ / campaign against |L "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime."    |  x  HTML mail and    |L                          --Death, of the Endless    | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:52:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 , Message-ID: <4511A9F8.ED5655E7@teksavvy.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: I > Looks like I'm forever destined to run on 2nd gen Alpha boxes (all with I > the venerable d|i|g|i|t|a|l logos), a dead Itanium, and be foresaken by K > the Hopelessly Pathetic better way of disservice to the OpenVMS faithful.   7 David has plenty of those DS10Ls at a reasonable price.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:23:51 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 H Message-ID: <8660a3a10609201623h9476403kce14c6e16435151b@mail.gmail.com>  5 On 9/20/06, Tom Linden <tom@kednos-remove.com> wrote: G > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:34:38 -0700, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  > wrote: > @ > > But you got me thinking.  He was running a DS10.  My limitedJ > > understanding is that the major difference between that and a DS10L isH > > the size of the box, number of PCI slots, and such.  Now he comes upI > > with a bunch of DS10L systems.  Is it possible to replace some of the H > > hardware in the DS10 box with DS10L stuff and possibly get a working > > DS10 again?    Yes.  ' Are the PCI sockets on the motherboard?   . No.  The motherboards are virtually identical.  7 There's a PCI riseron the DS10, just like on the DS10L.   . It's got 4 slots as opposed to 1 on the DS10L.   Just wondering.    One mroe thing:   7 The story behind the DS10L is really quite interesting.   A http://www.designnews.com/article/CA85901.html?stt=001&text=ds10l   @ http://www.contentconvergence.com/editorial/compaq/printthis.pdf  K Same article, one is online, the other is .pdf in case you want to save it.    Enjoy.   WWWebb > >  > F > This has come up before and I believe someone said you could put theG > riser card in the DS10L, of course, you could close the cover.  It is 
 > what it is.  >  > --G > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/  >      --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:14:26 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> C Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Starting at 3:20pm Friday 15th September 06 + Message-ID: <4ne3quF9cv2oU1@individual.net>     VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:g > In article <4511a694$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  >>Z >> In article <12glvkp2jer3kb8@news.supernews.com>, "islandco" <dturner@icusc.com> writes:L >>> 7th Email to dturner@icusc.com gets a free Alphaserver DS10L 466Mhz with" >>> 30GB IDE disk and 256MB memory >>> M >>> Shipping is not included: USA $30 Europe and the rest of the world please  >>> call or email me !N >> Now I got it (the original posting, not the system ;-). Only 5 days late... > J > David's gesture was nice but many didn't receive notice until well afterI > the deadline.  I still don't understand the 5 7th email winners myself.  > I > Looks like I'm forever destined to run on 2nd gen Alpha boxes (all with I > the venerable d|i|g|i|t|a|l logos), a dead Itanium, and be foresaken by L > the Hopelessly Pathetic better way of disservice to the OpenVMS faithful.    Brian,  F Please give me a call.  I tried to eMail you, but the message bounced.   --  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:18:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Graphic options for DS10L, Message-ID: <4511B000.E5F36E05@teksavvy.com>  G Being the proud winner of a brand new used DS10L,  I must now plan  how / to integrate this into my hobbyist data centre.   D One option is to replace my 3100-30.  This means that I would need a graphics card for the DS10L.  < Does anyone have comments on the cards available on Island ?  % http://www.islandco.com/graphics.html   G is the Penmedia at $100 really the same as a Elsa Gloria card at $299 ?   B I take at all those cards are 24 bit colour capable at 1280*1024 ?  H What difference does the on board memory make ? Clearly, a card that hasG 8mb cannot fully contain a 24 bit 1280*1024 screen, so it much use real 7 RAM in the machine, right ? What is that 8mb used for ?     H Also, I'll be buying a SCSI card (needed to plug in a CD drive initiallyE to load VMS onto the baby). Island suggested the KZPBA-CA.  Is this a F full featured SCSI card I will be able to boot from, or is that one ofB those retrictive Digital products with very limited functionlity ?  B Anytone know where I can get the specs/instruction on such cards ?H (notably what sort of connector I will need, or if I can rig up standard% 50 pin ribbon cable from the inside).    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 14:35:44 -0700( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10LB Message-ID: <1158788144.021892.139780@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote: I > Being the proud winner of a brand new used DS10L,  I must now plan  how 1 > to integrate this into my hobbyist data centre.  > F > One option is to replace my 3100-30.  This means that I would need a > graphics card for the DS10L. > > > Does anyone have comments on the cards available on Island ? > ' > http://www.islandco.com/graphics.html  > I > is the Penmedia at $100 really the same as a Elsa Gloria card at $299 ?  > D > I take at all those cards are 24 bit colour capable at 1280*1024 ? > J > What difference does the on board memory make ? Clearly, a card that hasI > 8mb cannot fully contain a 24 bit 1280*1024 screen, so it much use real 9 > RAM in the machine, right ? What is that 8mb used for ?  >  > J > Also, I'll be buying a SCSI card (needed to plug in a CD drive initiallyG > to load VMS onto the baby). Island suggested the KZPBA-CA.  Is this a H > full featured SCSI card I will be able to boot from, or is that one ofD > those retrictive Digital products with very limited functionlity ? > D > Anytone know where I can get the specs/instruction on such cards ?J > (notably what sort of connector I will need, or if I can rig up standard' > 50 pin ribbon cable from the inside).   F There is only one PCI slot, so you can either have your SCSI card or aA video card but not both.  The only exception are the uncommon and B fairly rare (and still pricy) dual purpose and trifecta cards that9 combine basic graphics with SCSI (and sometimes ethernet) C functionality.  Island lists the dual purpose one (video/U2SCSI) on D their configurator but I didn't see a standalone entry for the card.  G You could use an IDE CDROM drive (laptop type) and stick with the video ? card.  You could install SCSI for better performance and forego 	 graphics.   ; The KZPBA (make sure you get the single ended card, not the B differential one) is an Ultra-SCSI unit, 40MB/sec peak on the wideG interface.  It has one each 68-pin D-connector and 50 pin IDC header on F the card for internal use, and a 68 pin screw-connected external port;E I believe you can use any two of the three connectors simultaneously, ? but not all of them.  My own DS10-L has a KZPBA in it, with one F internal wide SCSI disk, and an external tower (BA364) with additionalC disks and a SCSI CDROM drive, which works quite well (but I gave up 
 graphics).  D I used to have a 4D10T card (Elsa GLoria Synergy) in a PWS600au.  ItF _could_ display 1280x1024 at 24 bits but was rough and jittery at that@ resolution;  Fred Kleinsorge had a couple posts here in the pastD concerning this card's limitations.  I'm not sure about the permedia> cards but I guess David has tested them.  Probably bug for bugC compatible so probably has the same problems at peak resolution.  I ? have a 4D20 in my PWS now and I'm never going back to the Elsa.   " Best of luck with your new system!   Rich   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 06 17:55:04 EDT) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L! Message-ID: <FrOeaZNqdk8u@wvnvms>   \ In article <4511B000.E5F36E05@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:I > Being the proud winner of a brand new used DS10L,  I must now plan  how 1 > to integrate this into my hobbyist data centre.  > F > One option is to replace my 3100-30.  This means that I would need a > graphics card for the DS10L. > > > Does anyone have comments on the cards available on Island ? > ' > http://www.islandco.com/graphics.html  > I > is the Penmedia at $100 really the same as a Elsa Gloria card at $299 ?  > D > I take at all those cards are 24 bit colour capable at 1280*1024 ? > J > What difference does the on board memory make ? Clearly, a card that hasI > 8mb cannot fully contain a 24 bit 1280*1024 screen, so it much use real 9 > RAM in the machine, right ? What is that 8mb used for ?   8 3.9MB is enough to hold 1280*1024*3 (24 bits = 3 bytes).     George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:54:58 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L2 Message-ID: <06092016545868_20200290@antinode.org>  - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   I > is the Penmedia at $100 really the same as a Elsa Gloria card at $299 ?   G    No, it's different.  It probably works the same, however.  A patient F shopper on Ebay could probably find an equivalent card cheaper there. ) (For $250, I might sell you one of mine.)   D > I take at all those cards are 24 bit colour capable at 1280*1024 ? > J > What difference does the on board memory make ? Clearly, a card that hasI > 8mb cannot fully contain a 24 bit 1280*1024 screen, so it much use real 9 > RAM in the machine, right ? What is that 8mb used for ?   B    Clearly, you're confused.  It's 8MB, not 8Mb.  24* 1280* 1024 =D 31457280, while 8* 8* 1024* 1024 = 67108864.  And no, it doesn't use@ system RAM for graphics.  That's why there's memory on the card.  J > Also, I'll be buying a SCSI card (needed to plug in a CD drive initiallyG > to load VMS onto the baby). Island suggested the KZPBA-CA.  Is this a H > full featured SCSI card I will be able to boot from, or is that one ofD > those retrictive Digital products with very limited functionlity ?  H    How many cards were you planning to put into the one PCI slot?  CheckF the VMS SPD and DS10L hardware documentation to see if the KZPBA-CA/CXG is supported.  I've been using them without difficulty in my AlpSta 200 G 4/233, PWS 500a[u], and XP1000 systems.  It seems (to me) unlikely that  one wouldn't work in your box.  D > Anytone know where I can get the specs/instruction on such cards ?J > (notably what sort of connector I will need, or if I can rig up standard' > 50 pin ribbon cable from the inside).   F    Ask Google?  The KZPBA-CA has a 50-pin internal, a 68-pin internal,G and a 68-pin external connector.  (Pick any two or fewer.)  Some fellow B in North York seems to have a few of them, if you hurry.  The item$ descriptions include a picture, too.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:18:26 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L, Message-ID: <4511BE25.2D95FBB7@teksavvy.com>   Rich Jordan wrote:H > There is only one PCI slot, so you can either have your SCSI card or a > video card but not both.  D I am aware of this. If this machine is to be a workstation, then theD SCSI card will only be installed initially to load the VMS operatingF system. (after that, it will be able to access CDs from the cluster). G And if this is to become a server, then  it won't be an issue since the  SCSI card could remain.   H And when I buy a second DS10L, then one definitely becomes a workstationD and one a server, one with a graphics card and one with a SCSI card.  A > card.  You could install SCSI for better performance and forego  > graphics.   C My VAX  4000-600 is plenty powerful and has plenty of memory for my B needs right now as a server. Having a faster workstation with realG colours (as opposed to 8 bit colour on the SPX graphgics card) would be G a very visible upgrade, as would having the Alpha version of DECWINDOWS I with scalable fonts, font server etc. (all missing from the VAX version).   F So it appears to me that upgrading the workstation first would provide the most advantages.    A Would it be fair to state that 256meg of RAM on an Alpha would be ' roughly equivalent to 64 meg on a VAX ?       F > I used to have a 4D10T card (Elsa GLoria Synergy) in a PWS600au.  ItH > _could_ display 1280x1024 at 24 bits but was rough and jittery at thatB > resolution;  Fred Kleinsorge had a couple posts here in the past& > concerning this card's limitations.   F I had often seen posts about Elsa Gloria, usually due to problems. But8 figured it was the "de factor standard" for VMS. Is it ?  A > have a 4D20 in my PWS now and I'm never going back to the Elsa.   E OK, so basically, I need to look around because the Elsa Gloria isn't  all that "great" ?   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 15:58:56 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10LB Message-ID: <1158793136.243833.210050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote: I > Being the proud winner of a brand new used DS10L,  I must now plan  how 1 > to integrate this into my hobbyist data centre.  > F > One option is to replace my 3100-30.  This means that I would need a > graphics card for the DS10L. > > > Does anyone have comments on the cards available on Island ? > ' > http://www.islandco.com/graphics.html  > I > is the Penmedia at $100 really the same as a Elsa Gloria card at $299 ?  > D > I take at all those cards are 24 bit colour capable at 1280*1024 ? > J > What difference does the on board memory make ? Clearly, a card that hasI > 8mb cannot fully contain a 24 bit 1280*1024 screen, so it much use real 9 > RAM in the machine, right ? What is that 8mb used for ?  >  > J > Also, I'll be buying a SCSI card (needed to plug in a CD drive initiallyG > to load VMS onto the baby). Island suggested the KZPBA-CA.  Is this a H > full featured SCSI card I will be able to boot from, or is that one ofD > those retrictive Digital products with very limited functionlity ? > D > Anytone know where I can get the specs/instruction on such cards ?J > (notably what sort of connector I will need, or if I can rig up standard' > 50 pin ribbon cable from the inside).   ? Another video option that is often overlooked is the ATI Radeon C 7000/7500.  Since you now have an EV6 class system you can use that G card also.  I've got one in each of my XP1000's and haven't noticed any F problems yet.  But it's only been about two months since I swapped outD the previous cards.  You have to use the PCI version with is getting= harder to find, but there are several people selling the 7500 F "All-in-Wonder" version for between $50-$85 US on Ebay.  Some are even? new, still sealed in boxes.  The PCI 7000 is a bit more common. F Performance wise I believe it is comparable to a Powercolor 300/350 inG 2D graphics, but is somewhat in 3D performance.  This works fine for me C since I don't do much 3D work.  Mine are just programming/sys admin  systems.  F Also, for installing VMS on your DS10L could you MOP serve the installF CD on one of your VAXen and do a network install?  I guess it might beE slow since the typical VAX only has a 10Mbs ethernet interface.  They F have a handy flip top case so if you had the room you could just leaveD the case open enough to run an IDE cable out to a CD drive and still( have the PCI slot open for a video card.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 16:02:11 -0700( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10LC Message-ID: <1158793331.293055.182180@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Rich Jordan wrote:J > > There is only one PCI slot, so you can either have your SCSI card or a > > video card but not both. > F > I am aware of this. If this machine is to be a workstation, then theF > SCSI card will only be installed initially to load the VMS operatingG > system. (after that, it will be able to access CDs from the cluster). I > And if this is to become a server, then  it won't be an issue since the  > SCSI card could remain.  > J > And when I buy a second DS10L, then one definitely becomes a workstationF > and one a server, one with a graphics card and one with a SCSI card. > C > > card.  You could install SCSI for better performance and forego 
 > > graphics.  > E > My VAX  4000-600 is plenty powerful and has plenty of memory for my D > needs right now as a server. Having a faster workstation with realI > colours (as opposed to 8 bit colour on the SPX graphgics card) would be I > a very visible upgrade, as would having the Alpha version of DECWINDOWS K > with scalable fonts, font server etc. (all missing from the VAX version).  > H > So it appears to me that upgrading the workstation first would provide > the most advantages. >  > C > Would it be fair to state that 256meg of RAM on an Alpha would be ) > roughly equivalent to 64 meg on a VAX ?  >   B Used to be around a 2 for 1 measurement by our experience but withB newer systems and versions of VMS, and especially with the new XFCG making better use of memory it might be closer to the 4:1 you indicate.  >  > H > > I used to have a 4D10T card (Elsa GLoria Synergy) in a PWS600au.  ItJ > > _could_ display 1280x1024 at 24 bits but was rough and jittery at thatD > > resolution;  Fred Kleinsorge had a couple posts here in the past' > > concerning this card's limitations.  > H > I had often seen posts about Elsa Gloria, usually due to problems. But: > figured it was the "de factor standard" for VMS. Is it ?  G It was, for a time, the easiest card to find that would work on EV5 and F EV6 systems.  The Powerstorm 300/350 cards, Oxygen, Radeon, etc. wouldF not work on EV5, and the 4D20 was (and remains) expensive as heck.  If? you can find a good price on a Powerstorm 300/350 PCI ( its not G impossible, and in fact I've seen them go for less than the 4D20 cards) C or one of the Oxygen or Radeon cards, you might be better off.  The B Elsa will be fine, just not stellar.  The artifacting and problemsF usually show up when scrolling or performing other more intense screen' operations (at least they did on mine).    > C > > have a 4D20 in my PWS now and I'm never going back to the Elsa.  > G > OK, so basically, I need to look around because the Elsa Gloria isn't  > all that "great" ?  B You'll be happier with a better card, but the Elsa is serviceable.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:56:57 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L, Message-ID: <4511D536.3249ECBE@teksavvy.com>   "Steven M. Schweda" wrote: >  A patientG > shopper on Ebay could probably find an equivalent card cheaper there.   F Mr Turner deserves my business for those cards since he has given me a rather good deal on the DS10L.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:42:19 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L* Message-ID: <4511c3ca@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Rich Jordan wrote:  F > I used to have a 4D10T card (Elsa GLoria Synergy) in a PWS600au.  ItH > _could_ display 1280x1024 at 24 bits but was rough and jittery at thatB > resolution;  Fred Kleinsorge had a couple posts here in the past' > concerning this card's limitations.     P    The PowerStorm 4D10T (ELSA GLoria Synergy) PCI graphics controller is fairly Q slow; it's a low-end card, after all.  After using one for about an hour driving  P a TFT-class LCD at a typical 1600x1200x60Hz, and -- having become accustomed to ? faster PowerStorm controllers -- I scrounged a PCI Radeon 7500.   Q    The AlphaServer DS10L makes a reasonable DNS server or a dedicated or compute  Q server for other such tasks, and it's expandable as far as its one PCI slot will  P get you.  It's a 1U rack system, after all.  Barring a multi-function PCI card, * it's obviously going to be rather limited.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:17:42 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L, Message-ID: <45121243.AE5459B2@teksavvy.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: Q > a TFT-class LCD at a typical 1600x1200x60Hz, and -- having become accustomed to A > faster PowerStorm controllers -- I scrounged a PCI Radeon 7500.   $ Yeah, I am leaning towards that one.    R >    The AlphaServer DS10L makes a reasonable DNS server or a dedicated or computeR > server for other such tasks, and it's expandable as far as its one PCI slot willQ > get you.  It's a 1U rack system, after all.  Barring a multi-function PCI card, , > it's obviously going to be rather limited.  F But as a workstation, apart from the limit of 1 PCI card (taken by theF graphics card), what are the other negative aspects ? Sound from the 4 fans ?  H It is only a 466mhz machine, so I don't expect it to be that much fasterF compared to a 4000-600 VAX, but I do expect it to be noticeably faster than my 3100-30 with SPX card.  E One interesting apsect I had not considered. Someone mentioned buying H the 4 PCI slot riser card. But in the fine article someone posted a linkB to, it is mentioned that the engineers who designed the DS10L as aC skunkworks project decided they could get away with a smaller power F supply because the limited PCI slots. On the DS10 they had budgeted 25E watts per PCI slot, so on the DS10L, they could chop 75 watts off the 4 power supply just by having 1 PCI slot instead of 4.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:40:55 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: HP announces new Integrity servers , Message-ID: <4511A750.4E0B27AA@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:F > option while ignoring the BSD's.  Anyone who has ever taken the timeC > to compare the two would easily have seen that the only advantage  > Linux has is more hype.   D I think that the hype was sufficient to take root. When you considerG that Adobe is porting its official PDF acrobat reader to Linux, but not G to BSD, when you consider Oracle has its database on Linux , but not on H BSD, then you starty to see real differences in what one version of Unix can do that the other cannot.   G There are no technical reason for Windows to have greater market share. = I is all hype which resulted in a huge portfolio of available F applications which makes Windows a very popular OS. (Note that WindowsD on IA64 doesn't even have the full Microsoft software portfolio, let alone apps from ISVs).   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 14:46:40 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable3 Message-ID: <1M3+b8BMAvsd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <GvKdnTgDw-On8IzYnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@libcom.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > 1 > He's probably referring to the release of V8.3.   H   Hm. I guess I've been hearing about 8.3 for so long that it didn't hit   hard.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:21:09 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable, Message-ID: <4511b0c5$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  4 "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message3 news:89udnWV0AMkxUY3YnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@libcom.com...  > JF Mezei wrote: L > > I suspect that the VMS web site is off-site (from HP's main data centre)I > > and doesn't have any 24/7 presence/support. In such a case though, it 8 > > really should have fully redundant hardware/network. > = > I think Warren has already indicated that this is the case.  > E the room where the site lives is a 24/7 data center. but on a list of 
 priorites for L that center the OpenVMS server is not in the top 10 or probably even top 50.  I They ping the site etc. but that system is very special cased in terms of  how K it's on the net and how it's access from inside hp and how it gets outside.   L I have a bunch of stuff that depends on decnet (mostly just talking from app to appI but written for client server type communication if that ever happened so 	 there are G decnet packets on my lan and they don't like having that stuff floating 	 around so K the system is isolated. if the gateway/router hickups they might not see it  because + they are attempting to isolate that system.   I If I had time I could write a store and forward email client for smtp but  nmail is alreadyI written which is one decnet app I use. There are others but mostly ones I  wrote.  K now, yes the site could be moved but it wouldn't go to windoze. it would go  to the main J hp.com site which is currently running apache on hp-ux. I'd loose a lot of things I can currentlyL do on the site if this happens. Things like the password protected symposium site among others.I things like many of the scripts for getting information before you get to  download products (I know mostK of you would like to get rid of that stuff but the PM's find it very useful % in justifying their existance and the 6 existance of their products especially the free ones).  H It might move anyway since I'm the only person in HP.com that uses an OS& other than hp-ux, linux or windows and- there aren't that many linux folks out there.   B OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX are the only hp os's that run their product  information pages on their os's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:22:50 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable* Message-ID: <4511b12d@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  H 8.3 wasn't the focus of the annoucement it was the new integrity systems among other things. but  8.3 was a part.   4 "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message3 news:GvKdnTgDw-On8IzYnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d@libcom.com...  > Bob Koehler wrote:@ > > In article <45102c52$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> writes:
 > >> Not less H > >> than 2 weeks after OpenVMS was part of a major announcement and got someJ > >> good press. Hey, if HP was killing OpenVMS would you have gotten your new A > >> kits BEFORE the announcement? when has that happened before?  > >  > >    Major announcement? > >  > G > He's probably referring to the release of V8.3.  I may have seen some F > other stuff also.  But if it's V8.3, then yeah, I think that the VMSH > people are entitled to consider the release of a new version of the OSG > as a major announcement.  Just consider the noise Microsoft will make : > when they foist their latest piece of s**t on the world. >  > --  6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450@ > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > DFE Ultralights, Inc.  > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:25:47 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable, Message-ID: <4511F80F.2C5067A4@teksavvy.com>   warren sander wrote:G > the room where the site lives is a 24/7 data center. but on a list of  > priorites for N > that center the OpenVMS server is not in the top 10 or probably even top 50.    G Does that data centre have any network monitoring software running that E sends alarms to operates when something is not reacheable ?  I assume E this is an original Digital site ? Wouldn't there be other "DEC" gear  running there ?   H If your local LAN is separate from the internet lan, perhaps your systemH could try to ping some external system at regular intervals, and if thatF fails, then you use the internal lan to send some warning/message/beep to the operators ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:40:37 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable9 Message-ID: <EbidnRR8vqBJZIzYnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Doug Phillips wrote: > Dave Froble wrote: >> Jf Mezei wrote: >>> Dave Froble wrote:L >>>> Yeah, right!  The first thing they'll do is shitcan the site running onH >>>> VMS, bring it into their main web server location(s), and run it on >>>> windoz.I >>> That is a really tough decision.  There are advantages to both sides.  >>> J >>> If you do choose to have VMS run on VMS, then perhaps it could be usedI >>> to showcase VMS's ability to cluster across distant buildings (within J >>> new england). This would add a greater amount of availability. And the@ >>> VMS group  *might* be able to afford a DS10L from Island :-) >>>  > G > That's way too logical and would require someone in HP's mangement to  > actually care about VMS. > I >>> If you're going to be using the web site to showcase VMS's abilities, : >>> you might as well go all out and really showcase them.H >> I'd guess that Warren would like to do so.  Can't speak for him.  I'dG >> also guess that he isn't given the resources to do so.  With all the H >> networking DEC has/had I'd think a multi-site cluster would be rather >> easy to implement.  >> > D > Maybe HP can't afford the cluster license or the extra hardware. IG > think maybe if someone requisitioned it as a Backup Printer Server it E > might go through. I know Digital had good luck selling Programmable > > Data Processors under Big-Blue Department radar for a while.  D Now that's worth a few chuckles.  Those cluster licenses are rather  pricy.  :-)   J >> If HP has set up a multi-site disaster tolerant organization to run allH >> their web sites, I can understand them not funding in any major way a? >> separate web site, such as we're told the VMS and Tru64 are.  >> > C > Most of HP's web servers appear to be running HP-UX (according to  > netcraft). > E > The quality and reliability level of ITRC forums web service seem a ? > good indicator for HP management's concern about such things.  >      --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:44:52 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable9 Message-ID: <EbidnRd8vqBOZ4zYnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@libcom.com>    warren sander wrote:6 > "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message5 > news:89udnWV0AMkxUY3YnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@libcom.com...  >> JF Mezei wrote:L >>> I suspect that the VMS web site is off-site (from HP's main data centre)I >>> and doesn't have any 24/7 presence/support. In such a case though, it 8 >>> really should have fully redundant hardware/network.> >> I think Warren has already indicated that this is the case. >>G > the room where the site lives is a 24/7 data center. but on a list of  > priorites for N > that center the OpenVMS server is not in the top 10 or probably even top 50. > K > They ping the site etc. but that system is very special cased in terms of  > how M > it's on the net and how it's access from inside hp and how it gets outside.  > N > I have a bunch of stuff that depends on decnet (mostly just talking from app > to appK > but written for client server type communication if that ever happened so  > there are I > decnet packets on my lan and they don't like having that stuff floating  > around so  > the system is isolated.   I That's downright disgusting!  It's disgusting anywhere, but at what used  
 to be DEC?  5 > if the gateway/router hickups they might not see it 	 > because - > they are attempting to isolate that system.  > K > If I had time I could write a store and forward email client for smtp but  > nmail is alreadyK > written which is one decnet app I use. There are others but mostly ones I  > wrote. > M > now, yes the site could be moved but it wouldn't go to windoze. it would go 
 > to the main L > hp.com site which is currently running apache on hp-ux. I'd loose a lot of > things I can currentlyN > do on the site if this happens. Things like the password protected symposium > site among others.K > things like many of the scripts for getting information before you get to   > download products (I know mostM > of you would like to get rid of that stuff but the PM's find it very useful ' > in justifying their existance and the 8 > existance of their products especially the free ones). > J > It might move anyway since I'm the only person in HP.com that uses an OS( > other than hp-ux, linux or windows and/ > there aren't that many linux folks out there.  > D > OpenVMS and Tru64 UNIX are the only hp os's that run their product" > information pages on their os's.   Let's keep it that way.    Thanks for all your efforts.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 14:49:00 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: non printable characters 3 Message-ID: <VIsigiLFFnaJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   o In article <45114f95$0$573$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>, "Joe the Aroma" <schizam2001@yahoo.com> writes:   O > I am dealing with a proprietary application which requires i move the cursor  H > over an item and "flip" it with the gold key and then "do" to make my H > changes. I'm trying to imbed it in a file that automates the changes.   ?    Ouch.  I think there's some pseudo-terminal type code on the <    Freeware or the DECUS archives somewhere that might help.  F    Or you might be able to bring up the application as a window within6    a SMG based program and use SMG's virtual keyboard.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:31:11 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>% Subject: Re: non printable characters * Message-ID: <4511c134@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Joe the Aroma wrote:  O > I am dealing with a proprietary application which requires i move the cursor  H > over an item and "flip" it with the gold key and then "do" to make my H > changes. I'm trying to imbed it in a file that automates the changes.   P    One typical approach here is (and also depending on the OpenVMS version) the O pseudo-terminal interface (PTD$) built into OpenVMS, and this is documented in  P the I/O Users' Reference Manual.    (There is a Freeware pseudo-terminal driver > and related pieces around, too, if you want to go that route.)  O    The really low-budget approach -- but since PTD$ is built into most OpenVMS  P versions -- is to connect a serial line around and back into the box, and allow M the application to chat with the application like it was really a human user.   I    Either allows your controlling application to send the keys needed to  S navigate to the particular spot like a typical user, and to then generate the keys.       As for the keys:   	    DO is:   
      CSI 29 ~   ?    Down Arrow (I think that's the one you were looking for) is:   
      CSI C  C    And the CSI character (if you're in seven-bit) is equivalent to:   
      ESC [  ?    I'd tend to use the SMG dictionary to retrieve the keys via  N SMG$GET_TERM_DATA, rather than hard-coding the sequences, but that's just me. O (And no, you don't need to use the rest of SMG to use this function.)  Details   in the SMG manual.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2006 17:51:15 -0700& From: alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com1 Subject: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS C Message-ID: <1158799875.187081.198370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Hi all,   G I'm thinking of buying a system to play around with OpenVMS.  I used to B have a shell account on a VAX a long time ago and I'm rusty to theE point of not remembering much.  I'd like to refamiliarize myself with   the rudimentaries of the system.  F To get into the mood, I had considered playing around with an emulator@ like SIMH but I feel like having some hardware.  Nothing mission< critical but more of a hobby system.  So here's the dilemna.  F I can get a working Vaxstation 4000/60 for around C$250 (includes tapeF and hard drives but no monitor or keyboard).  I have no idea if that'sC a decent price but I have seen some complete systems on eBay for as G much as C$800.  My guess that a relatively worthless piece of equipment = such as this commands such a high price because of nostalgia.   ; That said, would it not make more sense to invest in an old E Alphastation?  I've seen them on eBay for as little (sic) as C$300 to E C$400.  It seems that this might be practical because the more recent G video hardware would work well with my analog/digital LCD monitor.  The G extra horsepower of an Alpha would probably allow me to run a windowing E system as well, but I'm concerned that the non-Vax architecture might F limit me somehow in learning VMS.  And quite frankly, I enjoy the look of an older Vaxstation.    So to be to the point:   1. Vaxstation or Alphastation?  D 2. If Vaxstation, is a 4000/60 ok or should I hold out for a 4000/90 (or 90A or 96)?    3. If Alphastation, which one?  @ My hope is that an old VMS enthusiast could give me some advice! Thanks in advance.  G P.S.: Is there something similar to the IBM model M in terms of Digital 
 keyboards?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:22:34 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 5 Subject: Re: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS I Message-ID: <8660a3a10609201822r7c1b70d7j10f264cb8c809801@mail.gmail.com>   ? On 20 Sep 2006 17:51:15 -0700, alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com ) <alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com> wrote: 	 > Hi all,  > I > I'm thinking of buying a system to play around with OpenVMS.  I used to D > have a shell account on a VAX a long time ago and I'm rusty to theG > point of not remembering much.  I'd like to refamiliarize myself with " > the rudimentaries of the system. > H > To get into the mood, I had considered playing around with an emulator1 > like SIMH but I feel like having some hardware.   N To me, it's the difference between looking at pretty women and being with one.   : - )    Nothing mission & > critical but more of a hobby system.  < I've got a three-node cluster of Alphas in my room.  And I'm7 dual-pathing ethernet between them  so I'm not quite at A mission-critical configuration yet but I'm clearly headed in that 
 direction. : - ) again.   So here's the dilemna. > H > I can get a working Vaxstation 4000/60 for around C$250 (includes tapeH > and hard drives but no monitor or keyboard).  I have no idea if that'sE > a decent price but I have seen some complete systems on eBay for as I > much as C$800.  My guess that a relatively worthless piece of equipment ? > such as this commands such a high price because of nostalgia.  >   ? No, that's your fellow-countryman jf mezei bidding up the price   K He's nuts for old hardware.  Some here would say that sentence is too long.    :-) :-) :-)  (just kidding, jf)   = > That said, would it not make more sense to invest in an old G > Alphastation?  I've seen them on eBay for as little (sic) as C$300 to  > C$400.   I'd say so.   B 1.   Parts will be a whole lot easier to find if something breaks.  D 2.   You've got a whole range of software to play with that won't be available on the VAX-   = It seems that this might be practical because the more recent I > video hardware would work well with my analog/digital LCD monitor.  The I > extra horsepower of an Alpha would probably allow me to run a windowing G > system as well, but I'm concerned that the non-Vax architecture might H > limit me somehow in learning VMS.  And quite frankly, I enjoy the look > of an older Vaxstation.  >  > So to be to the point: >   > 1. Vaxstation or Alphastation? > F > 2. If Vaxstation, is a 4000/60 ok or should I hold out for a 4000/90 > (or 90A or 96)?  >   > 3. If Alphastation, which one? > 9 Unless you stumble onto something on eBay, David Turner's 9 (islandco.com) AlphaServer DS10L prices are hard to beat.   % It's mnot my job to quote his prices.   F Look in the newsgroup for his hobbyist announcements.   You'll have toE decide between a graphics head and external SCSI storage though.  See  recent posts about that, too.   ? And if you know which ones will run VMS, sometimes the Personal / Workstations go for less than AlphaStations do.   B > My hope is that an old VMS enthusiast could give me some advice! > Thanks in advance.  ! Hey, watch it!  I'm not THAT old!    > I > P.S.: Is there something similar to the IBM model M in terms of Digital  > keyboards? >  >  Don't know.    WWWebb --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:17:18 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)5 Subject: Re: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS 2 Message-ID: <06092020171855_20200290@antinode.org>  & From: alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com  H > I can get a working Vaxstation 4000/60 for around C$250 (includes tapeH > and hard drives but no monitor or keyboard).  I have no idea if that'sE > a decent price but I have seen some complete systems on eBay for as I > much as C$800.  My guess that a relatively worthless piece of equipment ? > such as this commands such a high price because of nostalgia.   G    More likely, it's one of the smaller, faster VAXes, with decent SCSI D support, hence it's useful (if you're tied to the VAX architecture).  = > That said, would it not make more sense to invest in an old  > Alphastation?       It certainly would.  : >   I've seen them on eBay for as little (sic) as C$300 toG > C$400.  It seems that this might be practical because the more recent I > video hardware would work well with my analog/digital LCD monitor.  The I > extra horsepower of an Alpha would probably allow me to run a windowing G > system as well, but I'm concerned that the non-Vax architecture might H > limit me somehow in learning VMS.  And quite frankly, I enjoy the look > of an older Vaxstation.   H    It's the VAX which would be limiting.  VMS VAX is stuck at V7.3, withG little hope of progressing past that version.  Frankly, I enjoy running @ some modern software, and living long enough to get the results.   1. Vaxstation or Alphastation?  	    Alpha.   F > 2. If Vaxstation, is a 4000/60 ok or should I hold out for a 4000/90 > (or 90A or 96)?   2    How much money would you like to spend (waste)?   3. If Alphastation, which one?  C    The cheapest nice (EV6 CPU) system is the XP1000.  Second choice H might be a Personal Workstation (PWS), which is only an EV5.  XP900/DS10% systems (also EV6) tend to cost more.   I > P.S.: Is there something similar to the IBM model M in terms of Digital  > keyboards?  :    What's an IBM model M?  Look for a nice LK411 or LK461.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:07:47 -0400 < From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> Subject: Re: VMS712_DS20E-V0100 Message-ID: <12h34ca70gqtpcf@news.supernews.com>  	 thx all !      --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   9 "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote in message $ news:45116456@usenet01.boi.hp.com...% > Island Computers, D B Turner wrote: J > > Anyone know where I can find this patch kit or if anyone has a link or anL > > ISO they can send me that would be rather luverly  (in Pigmalian accent) > C > ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/archived_patches/openvms_patches/axp7x.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:03:59 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: VMS712_DS20E-V010I Message-ID: <8660a3a10609201803i4b321f5br76b0af378d38123d@mail.gmail.com>   G On 9/20/06, Island Computers, D B Turner <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote:  > thx all !  >  >  > -- >  > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 > Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  > Fax: 912 201 0402  > Email: dbturner@islandco.com > Web: http://www.islandco.com' > ===================================== > > All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions0 > of sale. These should be read before ordering.' > http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html  > ; > "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote in message & > news:45116456@usenet01.boi.hp.com...' > > Island Computers, D B Turner wrote: L > > > Anyone know where I can find this patch kit or if anyone has a link or > anN > > > ISO they can send me that would be rather luverly  (in Pigmalian accent) > > E > > ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/archived_patches/openvms_patches/axp7x.html  >  >  >   9 Everybody who's bugging David about freebies better stop.   A You might find an AlphaServer 2100 at your door, freight collect.   2 (the VMS equivalent of a horse's head in your bed)   : - )    WWWebb --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:48:59 -0400 , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> Subject: Re: zx2000 ? * Message-ID: <45118d16@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Tom Linden wrote:   G > I wanted the ability to burn DVDs on that [zx2000] platform.  I have  G > successfully used Plextor716  under 8.3 on an XP1000, but one of two  > > go bad and was wondering if the 740 might work in the ZX2000  L    A usual answer likely applies:  "I don't know.  Try it.  Do let us know."  P    Given we're discussing a non-vendor drive and an officially unsupported box, A I'd not expect a whole lot of documentation to be kicking around.   O    I haven't had the opportunity to disassemble and reassemble a zx2000 box to  Q this particular end, and though I do have a Plextor 12/10/32S SCSI CD-R/RW drive  O and a PX716 IDE/ATAPI series CD-R/RW around in my own stash of drives, there's   no 740 series drive.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.518 ************************