1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 21 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 519       Contents:# Re: All is not well at the HP board # Re: All is not well at the HP board  Re: BACKUP$MANAGER Question  BACKUP$MANAGER Question  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable  Keyboard question... Re: Keyboard question... Re: Keyboard question... Re: Keyboard question...+ Re: Netbeans IDE$SERVER connection problems + Re: Netbeans IDE$SERVER connection problems + Re: Netbeans IDE$SERVER connection problems , Re: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS, Re: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS, Re: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS, Re: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS Re: VMS712_DS20E-V010  Re: zx2000 ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 03:39:38 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: All is not well at the HP board, Message-ID: <4512418A.1F25EE2B@teksavvy.com>   More info is surfacing  ] >http://news.com.com/HP+CEO+linked+to+journalist+probe/2100-1014_3-6117944.html?tag=nefd.lede   D Emails have been recovered that show that Hurd approved of a ruse toF send fictitious marketing material to CNET reporter to try to get that+ reporter to contact his "source" within HP.    ##D The operation detailed in the e-mails reported by the Post concernedB CNET News.com reporter Dawn Kawamoto, who reported in January on aC strategy meeting for directors and executives. Just days after that C story was published, Kawamoto received an e-mail from an HP insider B posing as a tipster, government investigators have told Kawamoto.   H A later e-mail from that same address included an attachment believed toA have contained marketing information about a new HP product. That G attachment, government investigators told Kawamoto, is believed to have H had the ability to track the e-mail, notify the sender if it was opened,G and tell the sender if the e-mail was forwarded and to which IP address  it had been forwarded.   ##    G Another reason never to accept microsoft Word document as attachements.     G I hope HP is learning its lesson to never mess with the media. HP needs N the media's support if it wants to remain a popular brand and keep on growing.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2006 10:32:21 -0700- From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> , Subject: Re: All is not well at the HP boardB Message-ID: <1158859940.931589.33570@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > More info is surfacing > _ > >http://news.com.com/HP+CEO+linked+to+journalist+probe/2100-1014_3-6117944.html?tag=nefd.lede  > F > Emails have been recovered that show that Hurd approved of a ruse toH > send fictitious marketing material to CNET reporter to try to get that- > reporter to contact his "source" within HP.  >  > ##F > The operation detailed in the e-mails reported by the Post concernedD > CNET News.com reporter Dawn Kawamoto, who reported in January on aE > strategy meeting for directors and executives. Just days after that E > story was published, Kawamoto received an e-mail from an HP insider C > posing as a tipster, government investigators have told Kawamoto.  > J > A later e-mail from that same address included an attachment believed toC > have contained marketing information about a new HP product. That I > attachment, government investigators told Kawamoto, is believed to have J > had the ability to track the e-mail, notify the sender if it was opened,I > and tell the sender if the e-mail was forwarded and to which IP address  > it had been forwarded. > ## >  > I > Another reason never to accept microsoft Word document as attachements.  >   F I don't find where they said it was Word. Spyware takes many forms andG the use of trackers is so common that if the govt's prosecuted everyone E who did it, the court systems would likely be overloaded for decades. E Most types of spyware is easily caught and/or blocked, anyway. In any 5 case, whether trackers are legal or not is debatable.      > @ > I hope HP is learning its lesson to never mess with the media.  C Hahahaha, good one. Oh, you were serious? Hmm. From what I've seen, D criminals are not always deterred by thoughts of punishment. Rather,C they commit crimes because they believe they are smarter than those G dummies who got caught, and no way could they themselves get caught, or B they think they've found a "loophole". If any lesson was taught by5 this, it was what mistakes not to make the next time.     	 >HP needs P > the media's support if it wants to remain a popular brand and keep on growing. >   G Pump enough advertising dollars into the media, and for some reason the  media gets friendlier.  C -Doug -- who apparently woke up on the cynical side of bed today:-)    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2006 09:27:02 -0700  From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>$ Subject: Re: BACKUP$MANAGER QuestionC Message-ID: <1158856020.326187.303180@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   5 I always wondered if anyone ever used BACKUP$MANAGER.   G As long as it does not init the tape then BACKUP should skip forward to C the end of the last backup before it starts writing. I would try an  experiment to check this first.    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Sep 2006 15:59:48 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com   Subject: BACKUP$MANAGER Question, Message-ID: <eeuctk01lrr@enews2.newsguy.com>  L Can BACKUP$MANAGER append additional backups to a DLT Tape?  In other words,K if more than one disk will fit on a tape, can I fit multiple backups on one L tape?  I'm wondering as it appears that it rewinds the tape after completingK a backup, it just doesn't eject it.  The drive in question is a DLT7000 and $ I'm currently running OpenVMS 7.3-2.   Zane   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:17:39 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L8 Message-ID: <33m4h2tjg9v0igdii2o1ie3obtp2g62glu@4ax.com>  P ATI Radeon 7500 PCI. Still available if you search. Only about $50. I found withM the particular version that I have that I must remove it before I can upgrade ; the firmware on my DS10 but apart from that it works great.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:14:59 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L8 Message-ID: <1dp4h29hgfm2udopucefabq3knfpo8qfsg@4ax.com>  K On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:17:42 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  wrote:  G >But as a workstation, apart from the limit of 1 PCI card (taken by the G >graphics card), what are the other negative aspects ? Sound from the 4  >fans ?   L It is a bit noisy for a desktop system. It may be acceptable to you at floor level.  I >It is only a 466mhz machine, so I don't expect it to be that much faster G >compared to a 4000-600 VAX, but I do expect it to be noticeably faster  >than my 3100-30 with SPX card.   N You should find it considerably faster than a VAX 4000-600. The only caveat is8 that the default IDE disk (30GB 5400rpm) is pretty slow.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:04:03 GMT ; From: "Duncan Macdonald" <duncanmacdonald@blueyonder.co.uk> & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L= Message-ID: <DkuQg.22392$r61.9586@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   G The best graphics option may well be a cheap Linux box running as an X  L server. This would leave the PCI slot free for a good SCSI card. (The Linux G box could also double as the console terminal via a serial connection.)   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:4511D536.3249ECBE@teksavvy.com... > "Steven M. Schweda" wrote:
 >>  A patient H >> shopper on Ebay could probably find an equivalent card cheaper there. > H > Mr Turner deserves my business for those cards since he has given me a! > rather good deal on the DS10L.     ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2006 07:11:59 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L3 Message-ID: <Ljq+zLtxeam3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <4511B000.E5F36E05@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > F > One option is to replace my 3100-30.  This means that I would need a > graphics card for the DS10L.  C    How about keeping the 3100-30 and using it as an X11 server?  We B    did this with several VAXstations when we got our first Alphas.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:14:39 -0400 < From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L0 Message-ID: <12h57ili2tcec07@news.supernews.com>   FY'allsI  J The Permedia 2 that we have uses a generic 3D Labs firmware that we had to$ change slightly to work in the AlphaH It compares functionally to the ELSA GLoria except ina Tru64 environmentL with multiple heads where there is actually a patch kit that fixes the issueG where half the videoo memory is not found. I understand this issue also  oexists for the ELSA.   G 24Bit Graphics cause a wobble on the side of the screen at 1280 x1024 -    See this chart  4 http://moon.hanya-n.org/comp/alpha/hct/graphics.html    C Typical GRAPHICS CARDS  results for Tru64 seem to apply to VMS also            --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X251  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@islandco.com Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:Ljq+zLtxeam3@eisner.encompasserve.org... 7 > In article <4511B000.E5F36E05@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei & <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > > H > > One option is to replace my 3100-30.  This means that I would need a  > > graphics card for the DS10L. > E >    How about keeping the 3100-30 and using it as an X11 server?  We D >    did this with several VAXstations when we got our first Alphas. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:45:31 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>( Subject: Re: hp VMS Web site unavailable, Message-ID: <eetjfb$n3o$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>  I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:1M3+b8BMAvsd@eisner.encompasserve.org...   O >  Hm. I guess I've been hearing about 8.3 for so long that it didn't hit hard.   = It wasn't just 8.3 but the new Montecito servers it supports. 0 Not that they haven't been long awaited either.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 02:31:57 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Keyboard question... , Message-ID: <451231B1.B1523B21@teksavvy.com>  G Looking at DS10 documents, it appears I can get a LK461-AC keyboard for 9 my new (used) DS10L. This is the french canadian variant.   H 1- Are keycaps physically interchangheable between real LK201 and LK 461D keyboards ? (so I could be a standard english keyboard and then justH swap my french canadian ALLIN1  LK201-BQ keycaps onto the 461 keyboard).; (I suspect the answer is "NO", but I had to ask anyways...)     H 2- is there any place where I can see a detailed picture of what a LK461E looks like ?   The keyboard is a very "personal" item that interfaces D with your fingers. Blindly buying one is similar to buying underwear- without even checking if they fit :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:05:27 -0500 . From: Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom>! Subject: Re: Keyboard question... : Message-ID: <SNWdnSBh2ZN1B4_YnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com>   JF Mezei wrote: I > Looking at DS10 documents, it appears I can get a LK461-AC keyboard for ; > my new (used) DS10L. This is the french canadian variant.  > J > 1- Are keycaps physically interchangheable between real LK201 and LK 461F > keyboards ? (so I could be a standard english keyboard and then justJ > swap my french canadian ALLIN1  LK201-BQ keycaps onto the 461 keyboard).= > (I suspect the answer is "NO", but I had to ask anyways...)  >  > J > 2- is there any place where I can see a detailed picture of what a LK461G > looks like ?   The keyboard is a very "personal" item that interfaces F > with your fingers. Blindly buying one is similar to buying underwear/ > without even checking if they fit :-) :-) :-)   E A LK461 is the exact same layout as the original LK401 but has a PS2  I interface.  If you have an old LK401 then you know the look and feel.  I  H didn't look up the details of the model you quoted, so I can't tell you B if it's "frost white," light beige or black.  I'm also taking for G granted that your comment that this is a French Canadian variant.  The  G current iteration of these keyboards are usually "value engineered" so  C some of the parts may NOT interchange between the original non-PS2  = keyboards of the VT200/300/400 era and the current VT500 and  I AlphaStation variants.  The most recent models may also sport a "warning  3 label" discussing keyboard use and stress injuries.   G I would also expect that swapping keys between a LK201 and LK461 might  C not work.  I would definitely handle the keys with extreme care to  I prevent any risk of ending up with a non-functioning keyboard because of     breakage.    bob    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2006 08:15:05 -0700" From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk! Subject: Re: Keyboard question... B Message-ID: <1158851704.907590.267540@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote: I > Looking at DS10 documents, it appears I can get a LK461-AC keyboard for ; > my new (used) DS10L. This is the french canadian variant.  > J > 1- Are keycaps physically interchangheable between real LK201 and LK 461F > keyboards ? (so I could be a standard english keyboard and then justJ > swap my french canadian ALLIN1  LK201-BQ keycaps onto the 461 keyboard).= > (I suspect the answer is "NO", but I had to ask anyways...)   B I have an assorted pile here. The old LK250 looks identical to theB LK201 and the keycaps are interchangeable. But the LK4xx and LK2xx6 keycaps use a different spigot and won't even push on.  B Also on my pile is an English LK46W-A2 which looks identical to an: LK401 except that it's a lighter shade of pale -- probablyD "frost-white" rather than light beige. You can have the LK46W itselfG for free (it's that kind of month) if the postage from the UK works out ? cheaper than you can buy it in Canada. The bad news is that the < LK46W-A2, LK401, and LK201 key spigots are all different and non-interchangeable.  J > 2- is there any place where I can see a detailed picture of what a LK461G > looks like ?   The keyboard is a very "personal" item that interfaces F > with your fingers. Blindly buying one is similar to buying underwear/ > without even checking if they fit :-) :-) :-)   F Give me an e-mail address if you want a photo (I'm reading with GoogleD which spam-protects yours). Can anyone confirm that an LK46_W_ looks the same as an LK46_1_?   G But Bob's remark raises a question. To save me taking a keyboard apart, E are the PS2 and DEC interfaces on separate boards, or all on a single B board? You've just given me the silly idea of saving desk space by@ putting a switch on one of my LK250s to make it swing both ways.   Chris  (London, UK)   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2006 10:12:30 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> ! Subject: Re: Keyboard question... C Message-ID: <1158858750.173269.178730@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote: I > Looking at DS10 documents, it appears I can get a LK461-AC keyboard for ; > my new (used) DS10L. This is the french canadian variant.  > J > 1- Are keycaps physically interchangheable between real LK201 and LK 461F > keyboards ? (so I could be a standard english keyboard and then justJ > swap my french canadian ALLIN1  LK201-BQ keycaps onto the 461 keyboard).= > (I suspect the answer is "NO", but I had to ask anyways...)  >   E You're right, it's no.  Sorry. Different generations of KB design and  manufacture.   > J > 2- is there any place where I can see a detailed picture of what a LK461G > looks like ?   The keyboard is a very "personal" item that interfaces F > with your fingers. Blindly buying one is similar to buying underwear/ > without even checking if they fit :-) :-) :-)   F I did a Google image search for lk461 and the only keyboard it came up with was a Sun!  Oh well. F As people have told you, the layout is the same as the LK201, however,D the overall size and shape of the keyboard is different.  Instead ofG the wedge shape of the 201 it has a concave curved "face".  the overall 3 width is about 1.5" less and it's about .75" deeper   @ The LK461 is the typical computer beige color while the LK46W is> Compaq's "Frost White".  It's nearly the same as the new AppleD keyboards with the white keys.  It's also a lot lighter and probably- less well built than the LK201 tank keyboard.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2006 03:30:42 -0700, From: "Ingi" <rocketiii.scientist@gmail.com>4 Subject: Re: Netbeans IDE$SERVER connection problemsC Message-ID: <1158834642.401854.320320@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   D Thank you for your reply, but I tried with Java 1.4.2 on Windows butG then the Distributed Netbeans stuff refused to load in the Netbeans IDE  !   B I would very much like to install Java 1.5 on OpenVMS, but I'm notD allowed to install the Rating_1 ECO onto our OpenVMS machine so it's not an option.  B What I would really need is a hint on how to troubleshoot/pinpoint9 exactly what the problem is, cause I'm kinda stuck now...    Regards  - Ingi     sean@obanion.us skrev:  B > Looks like you have Java 1.5.0 on Windows and Java 1.4.2 on VMS.5 > I think these have to be the same versions of Java.  >  >  > Sean > 
 > Ingi wrote:  > > Hi > > K > > I'm trying to connect Netbeans IDE 5.5 Beta 2 to the IDE$SERVER running 6 > > on OpenVMS 8.2/ALPHA but the connection times out. > > K > > I defined the IDE$VERBOSE_LOG so this is what I get (for one connection % > > try) into ide$logs:ide$server.log  > > G > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:login process for the user:isiz started 8 > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:user:isiz:thread started. > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:getResourceID:+ > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:status!2280 @ > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:user process cache:checkIfUnique6 > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:create:IDE$USER_MOOWXK0 > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:channel:613424966 > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:assign:IDE$USER_MOOWXKA > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:assign:resnameStr:IDE$USER_MOOWXK B > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:server thread startIDE$USER_MOOWXK+ > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:DLC file to , > > execute:ide$scratch:distnb_user45451tmp.@ > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:Changing owner and protection of$ > > ide$scratch:distnb_user45451tmp.* > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:pid:2432630 > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:setPortImpl:1099' > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:getEFN: 2 > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:setPortImpl:efn:62* > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:freeEFN:62 > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PMe > > CEST:setSecurityContextImpl:org.netbeans.modules.distributed.rmi.impl.SecurityContextImpl@837c832 ' > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:getEFN: = > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:setSecurityContextImpl:efn:62 * > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:freeEFN:62D > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:user:isiz:waiting for server startup> > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:number of seconds to wait :120 > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PMH > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKK > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > 2006/09/15 17:08:23 PMH > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKK > > 2006/09/15 17:08:23 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > 2006/09/15 17:08:24 PMH > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKK > > 2006/09/15 17:08:24 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > 2006/09/15 17:08:25 PMH > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKK > > 2006/09/15 17:08:25 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > 2006/09/15 17:08:26 PMH > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKK > > 2006/09/15 17:08:26 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > 2006/09/15 17:08:27 PMH > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKK > > 2006/09/15 17:08:27 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > 2006/09/15 17:08:28 PMH > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKK > > 2006/09/15 17:08:28 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > 2006/09/15 17:08:29 PMH > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKK > > 2006/09/15 17:08:29 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > 2006/09/15 17:08:30 PMH > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKK > > 2006/09/15 17:08:30 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > 2006/09/15 17:08:31 PMH > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKK > > 2006/09/15 17:08:31 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK 8 > > 2006/09/15 17:08:32 PM CEST:checking on user servers > > 2006/09/15 17:08:32 PMH > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKK > > 2006/09/15 17:08:32 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK I > > 2006/09/15 17:08:34 PM CEST:user process cache:adding(userName:isiz:#  > > of SecurityContext 1) 9 > > 2006/09/15 17:08:34 PM CEST:connected:IDE$USER_MOOWXK 8 > > 2006/09/15 17:09:32 PM CEST:checking on user serversH > > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:Connection refused to host: 192.168.0.1; > > nested exception is:; > >         java.net.ConnectException: connection timed out ) > > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:deassign: + > > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:destroyMbx: 9 > > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:user:isiz:thread finished 9 > > 2006/09/15 17:10:46 PM CEST:unbinding IDE$USER_MOOWXK B > > 2006/09/15 17:10:46 PM CEST:stopProcess:IDE$USER_MOOWXK:2432638 > > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:checking on user serversE > > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:isProcessAlive:IDE$USER_MOOWXK:243263 1 > > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:error status!2280 9 > > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:unbinding IDE$USER_MOOWXK / > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:IDE$USER_MOOWXK , > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:user process& > > cache:removing(sc:IDE$USER_MOOWXK)9 > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:unbinding IDE$USER_MOOWXK / > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:IDE$USER_MOOWXK B > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:stopProcess:IDE$USER_MOOWXK:2432631 > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:error status!2280  > >  > > 4 > > The Remote server diagnostics reveals following:$ > > Remote Server Diagnostics Report% > > ================================= $ > > Distributed NetBeans Client Info$ > > --------------------------------F > > org.netbeans.modules.distributed                    5.0.10	enabled > >  > >  > > NetBeans Environment > > --------------------> > > Product version	NetBeans Platform Dev (Build 200607190830) > > OS info:	Windows XP 5.1 x86 > > > JDK Info:	1.5.0_06 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM 1.5.0_06-b05I > >                 Sun Microsystems Inc. C:\Program\Java\jdk1.5.0_06\jre , > > Home dir:	C:\Documents and Settings\ISIZ- > > Current dir:	C:\Program\netbeans-5.5beta2 9 > > NetBeans home:	C:\Program\netbeans-5.5beta2\platform6 ? > > User dir:	C:\Documents and Settings\ISIZ\.netbeans\5.5beta2  > >  > >  > > Remote Connection Tests  > > ----------------------- F > > Server Name/IP Address                              <somenodename>< > > OpenVMS Username                                    isiz< > > Server host Connectivity                            PASS< > > IDE$SERVER Availability                             PASS% > >         Server version is T5.0-01 < > > User Authentication                                 PASS< > > Quota Checks                                        PASS > >  > > * > > Default device is DISK$<somediskname>: > > Default directory is [ISIZ]  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > User Login Environment > > ---------------------- > > < > > JDK Setup                                           PASS< > > JVM Logical Redefinition                            PASS< > > RMI Port Redefinition                               PASS< > > Verbose Log Enabled                                 PASS< > > F$MODE() Test                                       PASS< > > ODS_5 Check                                         FAIL< > > Process Privs Check                                 PASS< > > IDE$SERVER Process Running                          PASS< > > FTP Service Started                                 PASS< > > SMB Server Started                                  FAIL< > > PWIP Service Started                                FAIL< > > BASH Command Defined                                FAIL > > - > > I'm not dependent upon the FAILing steps.  > > # > > The Java version on OpenVMS is:  > > java version "1.4.2"4 > > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionH > > Classic VM (build 1.4.2-4.p2, 05/09/2005-10:05, native threads, jit) > > G > > I've also defined the IDE$HOST_IPNAME to the ip-address of the host > > > were the IDE$SERVER is running, but with the same results. > > E > > I did follow the installation instructions and changed the quotas 1 > > accordingly for the user I'm connecting with.  > > K > > Does anyone have a clue on what to change to make this thingy working ?  > >  > > Regards 
 > > - Ingi   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2006 08:27:14 -0700 From: sean@obanion.us 4 Subject: Re: Netbeans IDE$SERVER connection problemsC Message-ID: <1158852434.367831.142790@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F I had a similar problem because of net address translation, and had toE enable correct network routing.  You may need to talk to your network 
 support team.     C >From the Distributed NetBeans for OpenVMS Version 5.0 Field Test 1 $ Installation Guide and Release Notes   "Router Using NAT Times Out   B If the Distributed NetBeans client initiates the connection to theG remote server via a router that uses Network Address Translation (NAT), G the connection attempt will time out. This happens because the Java RMI E implementation obtains the virtual IP address (private IP address) of F the client from the IP packet body, and not from the actual address in@ the IP packet header.  There is currently no workaround for this	 problem."      Sean   Ingi wrote: F > Thank you for your reply, but I tried with Java 1.4.2 on Windows butI > then the Distributed Netbeans stuff refused to load in the Netbeans IDE  > !  > D > I would very much like to install Java 1.5 on OpenVMS, but I'm notF > allowed to install the Rating_1 ECO onto our OpenVMS machine so it's > not an option. > D > What I would really need is a hint on how to troubleshoot/pinpoint; > exactly what the problem is, cause I'm kinda stuck now...  > 	 > Regards  > - Ingi >  >  > sean@obanion.us skrev: > D > > Looks like you have Java 1.5.0 on Windows and Java 1.4.2 on VMS.7 > > I think these have to be the same versions of Java.  > >  > >  > > Sean > >  > > Ingi wrote:  > > > Hi > > > M > > > I'm trying to connect Netbeans IDE 5.5 Beta 2 to the IDE$SERVER running 8 > > > on OpenVMS 8.2/ALPHA but the connection times out. > > > M > > > I defined the IDE$VERBOSE_LOG so this is what I get (for one connection ' > > > try) into ide$logs:ide$server.log  > > > I > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:login process for the user:isiz started : > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:user:isiz:thread started0 > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:getResourceID:- > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:status!2280 B > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:user process cache:checkIfUnique8 > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:create:IDE$USER_MOOWXK2 > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:channel:613424968 > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:assign:IDE$USER_MOOWXKC > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:assign:resnameStr:IDE$USER_MOOWXK D > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:server thread startIDE$USER_MOOWXK- > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:DLC file to . > > > execute:ide$scratch:distnb_user45451tmp.B > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:Changing owner and protection of& > > > ide$scratch:distnb_user45451tmp., > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:pid:2432632 > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:setPortImpl:1099) > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:getEFN: 4 > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:setPortImpl:efn:62, > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:freeEFN:62 > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PMg > > > CEST:setSecurityContextImpl:org.netbeans.modules.distributed.rmi.impl.SecurityContextImpl@837c832 ) > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:getEFN: ? > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:setSecurityContextImpl:efn:62 , > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:freeEFN:62F > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:user:isiz:waiting for server startup@ > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:number of seconds to wait :120 > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PMJ > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKM > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:23 PMJ > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKM > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:23 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:24 PMJ > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKM > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:24 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:25 PMJ > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKM > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:25 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:26 PMJ > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKM > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:26 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:27 PMJ > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKM > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:27 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:28 PMJ > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKM > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:28 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:29 PMJ > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKM > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:29 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:30 PMJ > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKM > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:30 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:31 PMJ > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKM > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:31 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK : > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:32 PM CEST:checking on user servers > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:32 PMJ > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKM > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:32 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK K > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:34 PM CEST:user process cache:adding(userName:isiz:#  > > > of SecurityContext 1) ; > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:34 PM CEST:connected:IDE$USER_MOOWXK : > > > 2006/09/15 17:09:32 PM CEST:checking on user serversJ > > > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:Connection refused to host: 192.168.0.1; > > > nested exception is:= > > >         java.net.ConnectException: connection timed out + > > > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:deassign: - > > > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:destroyMbx: ; > > > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:user:isiz:thread finished ; > > > 2006/09/15 17:10:46 PM CEST:unbinding IDE$USER_MOOWXK D > > > 2006/09/15 17:10:46 PM CEST:stopProcess:IDE$USER_MOOWXK:243263: > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:checking on user serversG > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:isProcessAlive:IDE$USER_MOOWXK:243263 3 > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:error status!2280 ; > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:unbinding IDE$USER_MOOWXK 1 > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:IDE$USER_MOOWXK . > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:user process( > > > cache:removing(sc:IDE$USER_MOOWXK); > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:unbinding IDE$USER_MOOWXK 1 > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:IDE$USER_MOOWXK D > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:stopProcess:IDE$USER_MOOWXK:2432633 > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:error status!2280  > > >  > > > 6 > > > The Remote server diagnostics reveals following:& > > > Remote Server Diagnostics Report' > > > ================================= & > > > Distributed NetBeans Client Info& > > > --------------------------------H > > > org.netbeans.modules.distributed                    5.0.10	enabled > > >  > > >  > > > NetBeans Environment > > > --------------------@ > > > Product version	NetBeans Platform Dev (Build 200607190830)! > > > OS info:	Windows XP 5.1 x86 @ > > > JDK Info:	1.5.0_06 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM 1.5.0_06-b05K > > >                 Sun Microsystems Inc. C:\Program\Java\jdk1.5.0_06\jre . > > > Home dir:	C:\Documents and Settings\ISIZ/ > > > Current dir:	C:\Program\netbeans-5.5beta2 ; > > > NetBeans home:	C:\Program\netbeans-5.5beta2\platform6 A > > > User dir:	C:\Documents and Settings\ISIZ\.netbeans\5.5beta2  > > >  > > >  > > > Remote Connection Tests  > > > ----------------------- H > > > Server Name/IP Address                              <somenodename>> > > > OpenVMS Username                                    isiz> > > > Server host Connectivity                            PASS> > > > IDE$SERVER Availability                             PASS' > > >         Server version is T5.0-01 > > > > User Authentication                                 PASS> > > > Quota Checks                                        PASS > > >  > > > , > > > Default device is DISK$<somediskname>:! > > > Default directory is [ISIZ]  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > User Login Environment > > > ---------------------- > > > > > > > JDK Setup                                           PASS> > > > JVM Logical Redefinition                            PASS> > > > RMI Port Redefinition                               PASS> > > > Verbose Log Enabled                                 PASS> > > > F$MODE() Test                                       PASS> > > > ODS_5 Check                                         FAIL> > > > Process Privs Check                                 PASS> > > > IDE$SERVER Process Running                          PASS> > > > FTP Service Started                                 PASS> > > > SMB Server Started                                  FAIL> > > > PWIP Service Started                                FAIL> > > > BASH Command Defined                                FAIL > > > / > > > I'm not dependent upon the FAILing steps.  > > > % > > > The Java version on OpenVMS is:  > > > java version "1.4.2"6 > > > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionJ > > > Classic VM (build 1.4.2-4.p2, 05/09/2005-10:05, native threads, jit) > > > I > > > I've also defined the IDE$HOST_IPNAME to the ip-address of the host @ > > > were the IDE$SERVER is running, but with the same results. > > > G > > > I did follow the installation instructions and changed the quotas 3 > > > accordingly for the user I'm connecting with.  > > > M > > > Does anyone have a clue on what to change to make this thingy working ?  > > > 
 > > > Regards  > > > - Ingi   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2006 08:39:02 -0700, From: "Ingi" <rocketiii.scientist@gmail.com>4 Subject: Re: Netbeans IDE$SERVER connection problemsC Message-ID: <1158853142.215834.234750@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>   D I'm not nat'ing, I'm actually on the same network ( B-class ) as the
 OpenVMS node.    The log entry:F > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:Connection refused to host: 192.168.0.1; > nested exception is:9 >         java.net.ConnectException: connection timed out   F makes me a little confused, were's the 192.168.0.1 address coming from ?   F That address is not coming from my node (my XP machine) because it hasE a completely different ip-address. It cant be coming from the OpenVMS F machine either because it also has a different ip-address (and no it's not multihomed).  ? Seems to me that the IDE$SERVER is falling back to some default ? ip-address due to some other error which for me is not visible.    Regards  - Ingi     sean@obanion.us skrev:  H > I had a similar problem because of net address translation, and had toG > enable correct network routing.  You may need to talk to your network  > support team.  >  > E > >From the Distributed NetBeans for OpenVMS Version 5.0 Field Test 1 & > Installation Guide and Release Notes >  > "Router Using NAT Times Out  > D > If the Distributed NetBeans client initiates the connection to theI > remote server via a router that uses Network Address Translation (NAT), I > the connection attempt will time out. This happens because the Java RMI G > implementation obtains the virtual IP address (private IP address) of H > the client from the IP packet body, and not from the actual address inB > the IP packet header.  There is currently no workaround for this > problem."  >  >  > Sean > 
 > Ingi wrote: H > > Thank you for your reply, but I tried with Java 1.4.2 on Windows butK > > then the Distributed Netbeans stuff refused to load in the Netbeans IDE  > > !  > > F > > I would very much like to install Java 1.5 on OpenVMS, but I'm notH > > allowed to install the Rating_1 ECO onto our OpenVMS machine so it's > > not an option. > > F > > What I would really need is a hint on how to troubleshoot/pinpoint= > > exactly what the problem is, cause I'm kinda stuck now...  > >  > > Regards 
 > > - Ingi > >  > >  > > sean@obanion.us skrev: > > F > > > Looks like you have Java 1.5.0 on Windows and Java 1.4.2 on VMS.9 > > > I think these have to be the same versions of Java.  > > >  > > > 
 > > > Sean > > >  > > > Ingi wrote: 
 > > > > Hi > > > > O > > > > I'm trying to connect Netbeans IDE 5.5 Beta 2 to the IDE$SERVER running : > > > > on OpenVMS 8.2/ALPHA but the connection times out. > > > > O > > > > I defined the IDE$VERBOSE_LOG so this is what I get (for one connection ) > > > > try) into ide$logs:ide$server.log  > > > > K > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:login process for the user:isiz started < > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:user:isiz:thread started2 > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:getResourceID:/ > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:status!2280 D > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:user process cache:checkIfUnique: > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:create:IDE$USER_MOOWXK4 > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:channel:61342496: > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:assign:IDE$USER_MOOWXKE > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:assign:resnameStr:IDE$USER_MOOWXK F > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:server thread startIDE$USER_MOOWXK/ > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:DLC file to 0 > > > > execute:ide$scratch:distnb_user45451tmp.D > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:Changing owner and protection of( > > > > ide$scratch:distnb_user45451tmp.. > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:pid:2432634 > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:setPortImpl:1099+ > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:getEFN: 6 > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:setPortImpl:efn:62. > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:freeEFN:62 > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PMi > > > > CEST:setSecurityContextImpl:org.netbeans.modules.distributed.rmi.impl.SecurityContextImpl@837c832 + > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:getEFN: A > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:setSecurityContextImpl:efn:62 . > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:freeEFN:62H > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:user:isiz:waiting for server startupB > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST:number of seconds to wait :120 > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PML > > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKO > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:22 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:23 PML > > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKO > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:23 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:24 PML > > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKO > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:24 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:25 PML > > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKO > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:25 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:26 PML > > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKO > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:26 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:27 PML > > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKO > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:27 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:28 PML > > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKO > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:28 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:29 PML > > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKO > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:29 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:30 PML > > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKO > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:30 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK  > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:31 PML > > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKO > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:31 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK < > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:32 PM CEST:checking on user servers > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:32 PML > > > > CEST:java.rmi.NotBoundException:rmi://localhost:1099/IDE$USER_MOOWXKO > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:32 PM CEST::waiting for server startup:IDE$USER_MOOWXK M > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:34 PM CEST:user process cache:adding(userName:isiz:#  > > > > of SecurityContext 1) = > > > > 2006/09/15 17:08:34 PM CEST:connected:IDE$USER_MOOWXK < > > > > 2006/09/15 17:09:32 PM CEST:checking on user serversL > > > > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:Connection refused to host: 192.168.0.1; > > > > nested exception is:? > > > >         java.net.ConnectException: connection timed out - > > > > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:deassign: / > > > > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:destroyMbx: = > > > > 2006/09/15 17:09:48 PM CEST:user:isiz:thread finished = > > > > 2006/09/15 17:10:46 PM CEST:unbinding IDE$USER_MOOWXK F > > > > 2006/09/15 17:10:46 PM CEST:stopProcess:IDE$USER_MOOWXK:243263< > > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:checking on user serversI > > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:isProcessAlive:IDE$USER_MOOWXK:243263 5 > > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:error status!2280 = > > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:46 PM CEST:unbinding IDE$USER_MOOWXK 3 > > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:IDE$USER_MOOWXK 0 > > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:user process* > > > > cache:removing(sc:IDE$USER_MOOWXK)= > > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:unbinding IDE$USER_MOOWXK 3 > > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:IDE$USER_MOOWXK F > > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:stopProcess:IDE$USER_MOOWXK:2432635 > > > > 2006/09/15 17:11:47 PM CEST:error status!2280  > > > >  > > > > 8 > > > > The Remote server diagnostics reveals following:( > > > > Remote Server Diagnostics Report) > > > > ================================= ( > > > > Distributed NetBeans Client Info( > > > > --------------------------------J > > > > org.netbeans.modules.distributed                    5.0.10	enabled > > > >  > > > >  > > > > NetBeans Environment > > > > --------------------B > > > > Product version	NetBeans Platform Dev (Build 200607190830)# > > > > OS info:	Windows XP 5.1 x86 B > > > > JDK Info:	1.5.0_06 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM 1.5.0_06-b05M > > > >                 Sun Microsystems Inc. C:\Program\Java\jdk1.5.0_06\jre 0 > > > > Home dir:	C:\Documents and Settings\ISIZ1 > > > > Current dir:	C:\Program\netbeans-5.5beta2 = > > > > NetBeans home:	C:\Program\netbeans-5.5beta2\platform6 C > > > > User dir:	C:\Documents and Settings\ISIZ\.netbeans\5.5beta2  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > Remote Connection Tests  > > > > ----------------------- J > > > > Server Name/IP Address                              <somenodename>@ > > > > OpenVMS Username                                    isiz@ > > > > Server host Connectivity                            PASS@ > > > > IDE$SERVER Availability                             PASS) > > > >         Server version is T5.0-01 @ > > > > User Authentication                                 PASS@ > > > > Quota Checks                                        PASS > > > >  > > > > . > > > > Default device is DISK$<somediskname>:# > > > > Default directory is [ISIZ]  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > User Login Environment > > > > ---------------------- > > > > @ > > > > JDK Setup                                           PASS@ > > > > JVM Logical Redefinition                            PASS@ > > > > RMI Port Redefinition                               PASS@ > > > > Verbose Log Enabled                                 PASS@ > > > > F$MODE() Test                                       PASS@ > > > > ODS_5 Check                                         FAIL@ > > > > Process Privs Check                                 PASS@ > > > > IDE$SERVER Process Running                          PASS@ > > > > FTP Service Started                                 PASS@ > > > > SMB Server Started                                  FAIL@ > > > > PWIP Service Started                                FAIL@ > > > > BASH Command Defined                                FAIL > > > > 1 > > > > I'm not dependent upon the FAILing steps.  > > > > ' > > > > The Java version on OpenVMS is:  > > > > java version "1.4.2"8 > > > > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard EditionL > > > > Classic VM (build 1.4.2-4.p2, 05/09/2005-10:05, native threads, jit) > > > > K > > > > I've also defined the IDE$HOST_IPNAME to the ip-address of the host B > > > > were the IDE$SERVER is running, but with the same results. > > > > I > > > > I did follow the installation instructions and changed the quotas 5 > > > > accordingly for the user I'm connecting with.  > > > > O > > > > Does anyone have a clue on what to change to make this thingy working ?  > > > >  > > > > Regards  > > > > - Ingi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:49:21 +0200 ( From: Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer@gsi.de>5 Subject: Re: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS / Message-ID: <eetg50$k45$01$1@news.t-online.com>   ) alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com schrieb:  > H > To get into the mood, I had considered playing around with an emulator3 > like SIMH but I feel like having some hardware.     ! go for the real thing, of course.    > H > I can get a working Vaxstation 4000/60 for around C$250 (includes tapeH > and hard drives but no monitor or keyboard).  I have no idea if that'sE > a decent price but I have seen some complete systems on eBay for as  > much as C$800.    A Assuming a C$ is roughly (within a factor of 2) equal to an Euro, I these prices are outrageous. Over here a VS4060 goes for some 20 oder 30  6 Euro, 100 Euro would already be considered outrageous.  9 > My guess that a relatively worthless piece of equipment ? > such as this commands such a high price because of nostalgia.   B or maybe there's a market desperately seeking for spare equipment.  = > That said, would it not make more sense to invest in an old G > Alphastation?  I've seen them on eBay for as little (sic) as C$300 to G > C$400.  It seems that this might be practical because the more recent E > video hardware would work well with my analog/digital LCD monitor.      Could be the case also for a VS.I I've seen the PMAG card of a DECstation working with an Eizo LCD monitor.    > The I > extra horsepower of an Alpha would probably allow me to run a windowing  > system as well,   E A VS works with DECwindows just fine, once you get it up and running.   7 > but I'm concerned that the non-Vax architecture might $ > limit me somehow in learning VMS.   > I don't think so. It's just that installing VAX/VMS is an even@ bigger PITA than installing alpha/VMS. But AFAIR the hobbyist CD9 for VAX/VMS has more software than the alpha counterpart, ; e.g. DECset. And with VAX you can be sure that the gfx card 
 is supported.   % > And quite frankly, I enjoy the look  > of an older Vaxstation.   ) Probably. CDE everywhere is a bit boring.    > So to be to the point: >   > 1. Vaxstation or Alphastation? > F > 2. If Vaxstation, is a 4000/60 ok or should I hold out for a 4000/90 > (or 90A or 96)?   ? the 90A is certainly better than the 60, but a 60 will also do. ? If it has a CDROM, even better. Installing from CD will require $ one of those 512byte-capable drives.    > 3. If Alphastation, which one?  < for a hobbyist anything above and including alphastation 500? is enough, but keep an eye on the gfx card, since many (most ?) ! aren't supported by VMS any more.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:15:15 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)5 Subject: Re: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS $ Message-ID: <eethmj$3tp$1@online.de>  C In article <1158799875.187081.198370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, ) alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com writes:    I > I'm thinking of buying a system to play around with OpenVMS.  I used to D > have a shell account on a VAX a long time ago and I'm rusty to theG > point of not remembering much.  I'd like to refamiliarize myself with " > the rudimentaries of the system. > H > To get into the mood, I had considered playing around with an emulatorB > like SIMH but I feel like having some hardware.  Nothing mission> > critical but more of a hobby system.  So here's the dilemna. > H > I can get a working Vaxstation 4000/60 for around C$250 (includes tapeH > and hard drives but no monitor or keyboard).  I have no idea if that'sE > a decent price but I have seen some complete systems on eBay for as I > much as C$800.  My guess that a relatively worthless piece of equipment ? > such as this commands such a high price because of nostalgia.  > = > That said, would it not make more sense to invest in an old G > Alphastation?  I've seen them on eBay for as little (sic) as C$300 to G > C$400.  It seems that this might be practical because the more recent I > video hardware would work well with my analog/digital LCD monitor.  The I > extra horsepower of an Alpha would probably allow me to run a windowing G > system as well, but I'm concerned that the non-Vax architecture might H > limit me somehow in learning VMS.  And quite frankly, I enjoy the look > of an older Vaxstation.  >  > So to be to the point: >   > 1. Vaxstation or Alphastation? > F > 2. If Vaxstation, is a 4000/60 ok or should I hold out for a 4000/90 > (or 90A or 96)?  >   > 3. If Alphastation, which one?  F You can get practically any VAX system, and any ALPHA system up to at C least the EV56 systems, for free.  Why pay more?  Just monitor the   newsgroups for a while.   A VAX or ALPHA?  Why not both?  Advantages of VAX: software is more G stable, hardware will probably last longer, hardware is easier to fool  H around with oneself.  Advantages of ALPHA: more modern software, faster.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2006 07:18:00 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <DB4ScK41OKXk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <1158799875.187081.198370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com writes: > = > That said, would it not make more sense to invest in an old G > Alphastation?  I've seen them on eBay for as little (sic) as C$300 to G > C$400.  It seems that this might be practical because the more recent I > video hardware would work well with my analog/digital LCD monitor.  The I > extra horsepower of an Alpha would probably allow me to run a windowing G > system as well, but I'm concerned that the non-Vax architecture might H > limit me somehow in learning VMS.  And quite frankly, I enjoy the look > of an older Vaxstation.  >  > So to be to the point: >   > 1. Vaxstation or Alphastation?  E    VMS on VAX has fallen behind, to get to know what VMS can do today D    you'll need the Alpha.  For nostalgia purposes you'll hardly everD    notice anything architecture dependent in the stuff you know from    your old VAX days.   F > 2. If Vaxstation, is a 4000/60 ok or should I hold out for a 4000/90 > (or 90A or 96)?       All are fine.    > 3. If Alphastation, which one?  K    Almost any.  I've never asked my hobbyist system to do anthing that its  E    EV4 can't handle, but an EV5 or later will run a browser noticably 
    faster.  B > My hope is that an old VMS enthusiast could give me some advice! > Thanks in advance. > I > P.S.: Is there something similar to the IBM model M in terms of Digital  > keyboards?  B    Whats a model M?  For EDT and DEBUG you'll want a DEC keyboard.      ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:19:07 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 5 Subject: Re: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS 9 Message-ID: <XvednUD2fd4hWo_YnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@libcom.com>   ' alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com wrote: 	 > Hi all,  > I > I'm thinking of buying a system to play around with OpenVMS.  I used to D > have a shell account on a VAX a long time ago and I'm rusty to theG > point of not remembering much.  I'd like to refamiliarize myself with " > the rudimentaries of the system.  % Might as well add my .02 to the rest.   H > To get into the mood, I had considered playing around with an emulatorB > like SIMH but I feel like having some hardware.  Nothing mission> > critical but more of a hobby system.  So here's the dilemna. > H > I can get a working Vaxstation 4000/60 for around C$250 (includes tapeH > and hard drives but no monitor or keyboard).  I have no idea if that'sE > a decent price but I have seen some complete systems on eBay for as I > much as C$800.  My guess that a relatively worthless piece of equipment ? > such as this commands such a high price because of nostalgia.   I I've seen these systems go rather cheap.  The $250 is rather high.  Then  H again, it depends upon how it's configured.  How much memory?  Quantity I and size of disks?  Is monitor, keyboard, and mouse included?  I've seen  I just the box go for as low as $50 US$.  An RZ28 type disk (2 GB) is fine   for such a system.  F Another issue is whether you want to run it as a workstation, or as a I server.  I run all my systems as servers and use terminal emulation on a   PC to access the systems.   = > That said, would it not make more sense to invest in an old G > Alphastation?  I've seen them on eBay for as little (sic) as C$300 to G > C$400.  It seems that this might be practical because the more recent I > video hardware would work well with my analog/digital LCD monitor.  The I > extra horsepower of an Alpha would probably allow me to run a windowing G > system as well, but I'm concerned that the non-Vax architecture might H > limit me somehow in learning VMS.  And quite frankly, I enjoy the look > of an older Vaxstation.   G Steve Hoffman of VMS Engineering has mentioned that at least an EV6 is  G required to give good response with some software, such as the Mozilla  E web browser.  Older systems will run DECwindows.  A workstation will  ) require more memory than a server set-up.    > So to be to the point: >   > 1. Vaxstation or Alphastation? > F > 2. If Vaxstation, is a 4000/60 ok or should I hold out for a 4000/90 > (or 90A or 96)?   I Good luck on finding a 90A or 96.  I'm still looking for a model 96, and  I it's been years.  Same with MicroVAX 3100 model 98.  These were the last  " and best of the small VAX systems.    > 3. If Alphastation, which one?  E I've got some AlphaStation 200 4/233 systems, and they work fine for  B what I do.  They use older memory and disks, but such still seems A available if you look hard and long enough.  I'm not so sure I'd  ) recommend them as windowing workstations.   B > My hope is that an old VMS enthusiast could give me some advice! > Thanks in advance. > I > P.S.: Is there something similar to the IBM model M in terms of Digital  > keyboards? >   B One final thing.  Lots of stuff on E-Bay.  Some of it won't work. I Definitely some unscrupulous sellers.  Some of them don't even know what  . they're selling.  Must be searching dumpsters.  I The best deal I've seen lately is the DS10L systems that David at Island  I Computers is selling.  Not everything is included, most of what's needed  D for a hobbyist server, more will need to be added for a workstation.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:51:41 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch>  Subject: Re: VMS712_DS20E-V010B Message-ID: <0001HW.C1383B5D00253C96F02845B0@mac.sture.homeip.net>  6 On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 03:03:59 +0200, William Webb wroteK (in article <8660a3a10609201803i4b321f5br76b0af378d38123d@mail.gmail.com>):    > ; > Everybody who's bugging David about freebies better stop.  > C > You might find an AlphaServer 2100 at your door, freight collect.  > 4 > (the VMS equivalent of a horse's head in your bed) >    LOL!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:53:11 +0200 7 From: "Eberhard Heuser" <vaxinf@chemie.uni-konstanz.de>  Subject: Re: zx2000 ? 0 Message-ID: <009301c6dd52$fc7412c0$05072286@vg2>   ----- Original Message -----  . From: "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> + Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:40 PM  Subject: Re: zx2000 ?      > Hoff Hoffman wrote: ! >> Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote:  >>3 >>> A Radeon 7500 AGP card runs nicely on a ZX2000.  >> >>   That's good to know.  > J >   BTW: Any display artifact seen?  What resolution and refresh have you K > tried? Any special configuration steps, or did you just plug it into the   > AGP slot?  >    No display artifacts.   G There is a instruction in the Radeon Docu how to setup the paramters in  DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM.  I Only the refresh rate parameter had strange values (and produced a black   screen)   ; $ DECW$DEFAULT_KEYBOARD_MAP == "AUSTRIAN_GERMAN_LK444AG_LK" - $DECW$SERVER_TRANSPORTS=="LOCAL,DECNET,TCPIP"  $DECW$BUG_COMPATIBILITY=="TRUE" * $DECW$SERVER_DISABLE_BACKING_STORE:==FALSE' $DECW$SERVER_DISABLE_SAVE_UNDER:==FALSE   $DECW$SERVER_CONNECT_LOG=="TRUE"A $!NO MORE Adobe-DPS-Extension, THANKS TO HP/COMPAQ & ADOBE - F*** ] $!DECW$SERVER_EXTENSIONS=="Adobe-DPS-Extension,Xie,DEC-XTRAP,Multi-Buffering,D2DX-Extensions" H $DECW$SERVER_EXTENSIONS=="Xie,DEC-XTRAP,Multi-Buffering,D2DX-Extensions"$ $DECW$SERVER_DEFAULT_VISUAL_CLASS==4 $!DECW$XSIZE_IN_PIXELS==2048 $!DECW$YSIZE_IN_PIXELS==1536 $DECW$XSIZE_IN_PIXELS==1280  $DECW$YSIZE_IN_PIXELS==1024  $DECW$VIRTUAL_PAGES==393216  $DECW$SERVER_WSDEF==65536  $DECW$SERVER_WSQUOTA==262144 $DECW$SERVER_PAGE_FILE==524288! $DECW$SERVER_ENQUEUE_LIMIT==10000 5 $DEFINE/EXEC/SYSTEM/NOLOG DECW$SERVER_REFRESH_RATE 75 . $DEFINE/EXEC/SYSTEM DECW$SERVER_PIXEL_DEPTH 16  J The ZX2000 seems to recognize better new DVD drives. A HP DVD640i (a BENQ  drive)H runs and burns DVDs (with CDDVD$CP, DVDwrite and cdrecord) whereas on anE Alphastation 600 the drive do not work because the ARC-prompt doesn't  show  a DVD device.   	 Eberhard     ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.519 ************************