1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 24 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 524       Contents:A Re: DEC/CPQ/HP stuff/libraries  for ArchiCAD/AutoCAD and so on... A Re: DEC/CPQ/HP stuff/libraries  for ArchiCAD/AutoCAD and so on...  Re: hp advocacy web site Re: Keyboard question...0 Multia-EV7 is dead, long live (sons of) Multia*., Re: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:35:43 -0500 . From: Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom>J Subject: Re: DEC/CPQ/HP stuff/libraries  for ArchiCAD/AutoCAD and so on...: Message-ID: <gOOdncSY_vjDBIjYnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com>   Ruslan R. Laishev wrote:
 > Hello, All!  > H >     I got a task to perform some investigation for a new special zone G > for Hosts (AS, GS, StarCoupler ...). I'd like to use some tools like  , > ArchiCAD for modeling new computer room... > C >     So, is the question: is there in the internet an library for  G > elements where exist computer stuff like AS,GS and so one equipments?  >  >     Thanks in advance. >  >   G Ian's pointer to the Visio site is fine...  However, I find that NOONE  H seems to have a set of OVERHEAD views for DEC/CPQ/HP gear.  That, IMHO, G is what you really need to make an accurate layout of a computer room.  B You need accurate width and depth measurements primarily.  Having G "service access" recommendations or guidelines would also be nice (how  H far does that VAX6000 back door extend when swung open?).  In addition, I location of the power cord and top/bottom openings are also good to have.   H When we reengineered our lab last year I scrounged all the installation B and userguide manuals for our hardware and "crafted" my own Visio G templates for each type system in Visio using the dimensions listed in  D the documentation.  This was a nice idea, but since my knowledge of @ Visio is limited (especially when compared to my abilities with A Intergraph's VMS-based IGDS), I was unable to create images that  H maintained accurate measurements that sized in perspective to the floor H plan layout grid.  For each iteration of the floor plan I had to resize E each system image to it's correct dimensions, save and then copy for  F each duplicate.  It was a tedious process, but it was the only option  for what I needed.  E I imagine there's a way to make those templates work better IF I had  G more time to put into investigating their creation and use of the tool  F itself.  Most of the other templates that are provided with Visio are F also of the same nature, though.  You select one, place it roughly in ; your floor plan and then size it and finalize the position.   H The neat thing about using Visio, very similar to IGDS, was the ability C to turn on different levels or layers.  I was able to separate the  D overhead wiring trays, data wiring, the computer room floor itself, % underfloor data and underfloor power.   G Unless you can use a different more fully-featured CAD sort of package  C then Visio is a workable solution.  The necessary measurements and  I dimensions are in the installation and user guide documentation for each  G type system you have.  Ditto for any racks you mount your servers into.    bob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:42:32 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> J Subject: Re: DEC/CPQ/HP stuff/libraries  for ArchiCAD/AutoCAD and so on...: Message-ID: <3L-dna4Yvq6gAYjYnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@comcast.com>   Bob Blunt wrote:   > Ruslan R. Laishev wrote: >  >> Hello, All! >>I >>     I got a task to perform some investigation for a new special zone  H >> for Hosts (AS, GS, StarCoupler ...). I'd like to use some tools like - >> ArchiCAD for modeling new computer room...  >>D >>     So, is the question: is there in the internet an library for H >> elements where exist computer stuff like AS,GS and so one equipments? >> >>     Thanks in advance.  >> >> > I > Ian's pointer to the Visio site is fine...  However, I find that NOONE  J > seems to have a set of OVERHEAD views for DEC/CPQ/HP gear.  That, IMHO, I > is what you really need to make an accurate layout of a computer room.  D > You need accurate width and depth measurements primarily.  Having I > "service access" recommendations or guidelines would also be nice (how  J > far does that VAX6000 back door extend when swung open?).  In addition, K > location of the power cord and top/bottom openings are also good to have.  <snip>I > Unless you can use a different more fully-featured CAD sort of package  E > then Visio is a workable solution.  The necessary measurements and  K > dimensions are in the installation and user guide documentation for each  I > type system you have.  Ditto for any racks you mount your servers into.   H Visio is good but difficult to use until you become quite familiar with C it.  A "fully featured CAD package" is even more difficult for the  G casual user.  I've used both AutoCAD and Visio and I much prefer Visio   for *relative* ease of use.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 15:00:28 -0500 . From: "Dave Gudewicz" <dlgudewicz@comcast.net>! Subject: Re: hp advocacy web site : Message-ID: <Y8qdnZN69_LuD4jYnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com>  , "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> wrote in message = news:1158929248.560661.247970@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... ? > anyone know what happened to http://www.hpuseradvocacy.org/ ?  >   5 Its been MIA for at least 2 weeks now.  Not sure why.    Dave...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 23:33:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Re: Keyboard question... , Message-ID: <4515FC9E.7A81D7BC@teksavvy.com>   Alan Frisbie wrote: @ > As for sex on the cabinet, I think it is a bit small for that,  C Well, it is too late now. I went out to the store formerly known as F Radio Shack and bought some female plugs to make cabling so I can talkE to my new DS10L's serial ports which better be male otherwise none of ? you will ever have the right  sex on the cabinet ever again :-)     ! And in terms of LK461 vs LK462...   H the doc for the XP1000 which is younger than the DS10L supports both theB LK461 and LK462. Seems that the 461 (except for the US version) is# "OPAL" whereas the 462 is "CARBON".   = (For the US version LK462-AA is OPAL and LK462-A2 is CARBON).   6 The LK462 and LK461 both appears to be PS2 interfaces.    % Could the difference be colour only ?   = Does the "LK" designation garantee proper VMS style keycaps ?   F And while I am at it, was there ever a special product designation for% WPSPLUS keycaps ? (Gold key keyboard)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:47:58 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 9 Subject: Multia-EV7 is dead, long live (sons of) Multia*. 0 Message-ID: <871wq2h129.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  @ Power7 and UltraSpark are about to have a love-in threesome with? Opterons in the one socket. ATI will provide the video.  I mean E co-processors. This is after the affair with `special processors' and C the AMD hypertransport links. See the rogister for lack of details.   3 Brings a whole new dimention to `standard' I think.   + Arn't we lucky to not have to have EV10s...   ) (*Yes I know, it's called poetic licence)  --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:43:36 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> 5 Subject: Re: Vaxstation or Alpha for learning OpenVMS J Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-E3365D.02433624092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  , In article <ef3e7e$non$1@reader1.panix.com>,1  John Forkosh <forkosh@seeSig4address.com> wrote:   + > Paul Sture <paul.sture@hispeed.ch> wrote:  : C > : But the crucial question is: "does it have "delete word" on the  > : numeric keypad?".  > C > Nope.  Typical pc numeric keypad and labelling.  The "PF4" column D > has three keys (instead of four) labelled - (in the PF4 position),E > a big + key (occupying the - and , positions), and the usual Enter. ? > The big + key functions as delete character, as you surmised. . > Everything else works as expected using edt.  C But one one of those, it's surprising how much I miss "delete word"   B >      Basically, as far as I can tell, it's exactly a standard pcA > keyboard that's labelled d|i|g|i|t|a|l and distributed with the 8 > AlphaStation 200.  But, hey!, it clicks all by itself.  E I think I've come across similar. The one I'm thinking of had a long  D keystroke travel, which made me feel a bit as if I was using an old  fashioned typewriter.    --  
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