1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 27 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 530       Contents:# A .DIR files vanishes into thin air  Barcode Support on OpenVMS IA64 : Re: Can a satellite survive the reboot of its boot server?- Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ? 1 Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ? 1 Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ? 1 Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ? 1 Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ? 1 Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ? 1 Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ? 1 Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ? 1 Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ? 1 Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ?  DS15 graphics card options Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L  Re: Graphic options for DS10L 2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability2 Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability5 Re: In the Land of the Blind, the Hoff is truly King! ( Resetting bios Admin password on ZX2000?2 Re: Should I upgrade from 7.3-2 and if so to what?2 Re: Should I upgrade from 7.3-2 and if so to what? Re: TPU Reload command Re: TPU Reload command Re: UPDATE 8.0 and BACKUP   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:30:57 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>, Subject: A .DIR files vanishes into thin air0 Message-ID: <12hivviihgs2ueb@corp.supernews.com>   Hi group  M On a sister's company server, OVMS 7.3-1, they reported that a .DIR file has   gone away suddenly. M Files were opened in that directory at the time (as SHOW DEV/FIL could show)  J , but you could no longer do a DIRECTORY on those; the directory was gone.  L The directory file could have been renamed or moved, but I could not verify J that until they decided to shutdown the system (don't ask me why, this is K not a Windows system...). With a file open in a moved or renamed directory  H file, you can tell easily where it is now with SDA> SHOW PROCESS/CHANNEL Anyway.   F What is even more strange is that apparently, someone who was already G connected could see the files, a a new login could not. That means the  E RENAME theory is not possible, and the problem is even more bizzarre. K Someone tried to do a BACKUP of the files, as he could still see them, but   forgot the /IGNORE=INTERLOCK. G He did it again with the /IGNORE=INTERLOCK but could not see the files   anymore.  $ Does that make any sense to someone?K Could it be a problem with HBVS (host based volume shadowing) ? I doubt it  K very much though, we had HBVS on our server for years without any problem.  M The only difference with them is that mirror A is in one location and mirror  K B in another - 2 different SANs. The have a single machine - not clustered. H If HBVS would fail, it seems to me that the problem would be of greater J magnitude than just having a single .DIR file go away mysteriously, but I  may be wrong on that.   A Also a  few weeks ago, someone reported that some files (2 or 3)  C disappeared. So that would be the 2nd occurrence of such a problem  L apparently. And I know the files have been created 2 days earlier; I have a ? log file with the COPY/LOG that says the file has been created.   K If someone saw this problem before, or have a possible explanation, I'd be   happy to hear it. M Personally I don't see how a file can go away other than someone deleting or  C renaming it, and in the case of the .DIR, only a RENAME would work.   G They are currently doing a restore... so there's no chance to diagnose   further.  ! Thanks for your thoughts on this. = This company has lost work from yesterday evening now... $$$$    --   Syltrem L http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS information and help, en franais)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:30:29 GMT , From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com>( Subject: Barcode Support on OpenVMS IA64& Message-ID: <45198DBF.C3B73FA0@hp.com>  @ 	Folks trying to move PS2 barcode readers from OpenVMS Alpha to H IA64 have run into a couple of problems.  Fist and most obvious is that F there is no PS2 support on IA64 systems.  What would appear to be the E quick solution to that was to purchase a PS2 to USB converter.  This  B works with one major restriction.  That being you loose the extra E keys on your LKXXX keyboard.  If you can live with that restrictions  E you are all set.  But assuming that you cannot live without the LKxxx  keyboard what to do.  < 	The first obvious thing to try is buy a USB barcode reader A in theory that should just work.  If you try that you will see a  D second keyboard show up.  The problem is this keyboard is not going C to correctly translate the data from the scanner into useful ASCII  A data.  We hope to fix that in a future release but that will not  " be chagning in the V8.3 timeframe.  < 	So much for the history and the problems.  To get past thisE until OpenVMS supports more than one keyboard with DECWindows I have  C code that reads data from Barcode readers.  It is not as simple as  A Aplha where scanned data shows up as keystrokes but it does work. ? To date I have tested it on Datalogic and Intermec USB barcode  E scanners.  It is not yet packaged up for the freeware site that will   be done in the future.     Forrest Kenney OpenVMS USB support    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2006 15:52:49 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) C Subject: Re: Can a satellite survive the reboot of its boot server? 3 Message-ID: <Znvr$l2h9nI+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <efbitf$e8f$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  > G > I would think it would survive it.  I once by mistake pulled out the  J > SCSI cable to a system disk on a VAX.  When I realised what I had done, E > I plugged it back in.  On the console were some mount-verification  G > messages, but after the cable was back all was OK again.  I expected  & > something similar for the satellite.  G    That capability precedes cluster technology, as those of us who have +    pulled the wrong RP06 platter can atest.   G    VMS didn't complain at all until it tried to put a time stamp in the G    errorlog.  Then it tried to log an error writing to the system disk,     ...    E    A couple times we recognised our mistake and put the disk back in. F    The worst thing that happened was waiting for mount verification toG    decide everything was OK.  Then we had to wait for the LA36 to print 4    all those OPCOM messages about errorlog problems.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:35:20 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ?, Message-ID: <4519D552.19A9FB3C@teksavvy.com>  G on VAX (7.2),  given a 600 meg file containing raw image of an ODS-2 CD G (what people would often refer to as an "ISO"), what is the best way to H take that file and move it to a disk to "initialize" that disk to become a mountable disk ?  G Is the only way to write a  utility that reads blocks from the file and H does low level $QIO to write from block 0 upwards on the disk ?  (if so,D are there any examples of using $QIO to write to a specific block on disk ?)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:55:25 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> : Subject: Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ?I Message-ID: <8660a3a10609261855h6e3c7941pe34c6d0e2698f72a@mail.gmail.com>   ) ------=_Part_17612_26976165.1159322125375 ; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   : On 9/26/06, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: > I > on VAX (7.2),  given a 600 meg file containing raw image of an ODS-2 CD I > (what people would often refer to as an "ISO"), what is the best way to J > take that file and move it to a disk to "initialize" that disk to become > a mountable disk ? > I > Is the only way to write a  utility that reads blocks from the file and J > does low level $QIO to write from block 0 upwards on the disk ?  (if so,F > are there any examples of using $QIO to write to a specific block on	 > disk ?)  >   E You need LDDRIVER (LD0XX, based on VMS version) from the Freeware CD.    WWWebb   --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com   ) ------=_Part_17612_26976165.1159322125375 + Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   A<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/26/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">JF Mezei</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com">jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">  on VAX (7.2),&nbsp;&nbsp;given a 600 meg file containing raw image of an ODS-2 CD<br>(what people would often refer to as an &quot;ISO&quot;), what is the best way to<br>take that file and move it to a disk to &quot;initialize&quot; that disk to become
<br>a mountable disk ?<br><br>Is the only way to write a&nbsp;&nbsp;utility that reads blocks from the file and<br>does low level $QIO to write from block 0 upwards on the disk ?&nbsp;&nbsp;(if so,<br>are there any examples of using $QIO to write to a specific block on  <br>disk ?)<br></blockquote></div><br>You need LDDRIVER (LD0XX, based on VMS version) from the Freeware CD.<br><br>WWWebb<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ajilon Consulting<br>Site resident at <br>Quest Diagnostics<br>first.x.last@f 9 $edit(contents of previous line,&quot;COMPRESS&quot;).com   + ------=_Part_17612_26976165.1159322125375--    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:00:50 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda): Subject: Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ?2 Message-ID: <06092621005065_2020028F@antinode.org>  - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   I > on VAX (7.2),  given a 600 meg file containing raw image of an ODS-2 CD I > (what people would often refer to as an "ISO"), what is the best way to *        ^---some           ^--- incorrectly  J > take that file and move it to a disk to "initialize" that disk to become > a mountable disk ?  E    Why "take that file and move it to a disk"?  Isn't it already on a  disk?   H    Isn't this what LD is supposed to do?  You may need to look around to7 find a version compatible with VMS VAX V7.2, of course.   +    Knowing nothing, I'd try something like:          LD CONNECT file_or_device   G and then try to mount the resulting LDAn device as if it were a CD-ROM.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:43:58 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> : Subject: Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ?I Message-ID: <8660a3a10609261943p6ab3e5f2ld408034f04eae5f6@mail.gmail.com>   ) ------=_Part_18412_11484266.1159325038137 ; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   7 On 9/26/06, Steven M. Schweda <sms@antinode.org> wrote:  > / > From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  > K > > on VAX (7.2),  given a 600 meg file containing raw image of an ODS-2 CD K > > (what people would often refer to as an "ISO"), what is the best way to , >        ^---some           ^--- incorrectly > L > > take that file and move it to a disk to "initialize" that disk to become > > a mountable disk ? > G >    Why "take that file and move it to a disk"?  Isn't it already on a  > disk?  > J >    Isn't this what LD is supposed to do?  You may need to look around to9 > find a version compatible with VMS VAX V7.2, of course.  > - >    Knowing nothing, I'd try something like:  > ! >       LD CONNECT file_or_device  > I > and then try to mount the resulting LDAn device as if it were a CD-ROM.  > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 5 >    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 6 >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818 >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547  >   ' That was my first reflex response also.   K You must remember that LD is designed to take an ODS-2 file and use it as a H container disk; and we can't tell from what was posted whether jf's "raw2 image of an ODS-2 CD" meets that criterion or not.   The odds are that it doesn't.   L He should use Nero or some Unix product with a rune-like name to burn the CD image to a CD.K He can then do an image backup of it to a container disk created with LD if F he really, really wants to get it on a VMS disk (of the logical kind).  
 Cordially,   WWWebb   --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com   ) ------=_Part_18412_11484266.1159325038137 + Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   2<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/26/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Steven M. Schweda</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:sms@antinode.org">sms@antinode.org</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">From: JF Mezei &lt;<a href="mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com">jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com</a>&gt;<br><br>&gt; on VAX (7.2),&nbsp;&nbsp;given a 600 meg file containing raw image of an ODS-2 CD<br>&gt; (what people would often refer to as an &quot;ISO&quot;), what is the best way to c<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ^---some&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ^--- incorrectly<br><br>&gt; take that file and move it to a disk to &quot;initialize&quot; that disk to become<br>&gt; a mountable disk ?<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Why &quot;take that file and move it to a disk&quot;?&nbsp;&nbsp;Isn't it already on a *<br>disk?<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Isn't this what LD is supposed to do?&nbsp;&nbsp;You may need to look around to<br>find a version compatible with VMS VAX V7.2, of course.<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Knowing nothing, I'd try something like:<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;LD CONNECT file_or_device.<br><br>and then try to mount the resulting LDAn device as if it were a CD-ROM.<br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Steven M. Schweda&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; sms@antinode-org<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; 382 South Warwick Street&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(+1) 651-699-9818<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; Saint Paul&nbsp;&nbsp;MN&nbsp;&nbsp;55105-2547<br></blockquote></div><br>That was my first reflex response also. <br><br>You must remember that LD is designed to take an ODS-2 file and use it as a container disk; and we can't tell from what was posted whether jf's &quot;raw image of an ODS-2 CD&quot; meets that criterion or not.&nbsp; %<br><br>The odds are that it doesn't.&nbsp; <br><br>He should use Nero or some Unix product with a rune-like name to burn the CD image to a CD.<br>He can then do an image backup of it to a container disk created with LD if he really, really wants to get it on a VMS disk (of the logical kind).  <br><br>Cordially,<br><br>WWWebb<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ajilon Consulting<br>Site resident at <br>Quest Diagnostics<br>first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,&quot;COMPRESS&quot;).com   + ------=_Part_18412_11484266.1159325038137--    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2006 19:49:22 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> : Subject: Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ?B Message-ID: <1159325362.530459.144100@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   Steven M. Schweda wrote:/ > From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  > K > > on VAX (7.2),  given a 600 meg file containing raw image of an ODS-2 CD K > > (what people would often refer to as an "ISO"), what is the best way to , >        ^---some           ^--- incorrectly > L > > take that file and move it to a disk to "initialize" that disk to become > > a mountable disk ? > G >    Why "take that file and move it to a disk"?  Isn't it already on a  > disk?  > J >    Isn't this what LD is supposed to do?  You may need to look around to9 > find a version compatible with VMS VAX V7.2, of course.    >From the Freeware V8.0 readme:   D This kit may or may not operate on releases older than OpenVMS AlphaF V7.2-2, nor on releases earlier than OpenVMS VAX V7.3.  It may howeverE be possible to build it from the included sources for these releases, 2 please see the included release notes for details.  D There is a shot it may work on VAX OpenVMS V7.2 but you will have to build it yourself.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:08:09 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> : Subject: Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ?I Message-ID: <8660a3a10609262008h1399feeel951e34257c4542e2@mail.gmail.com>   ) ------=_Part_18640_33417926.1159326489603 ; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   9 On 26 Sep 2006 19:49:22 -0700, johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com <   johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> wrote: >  >  > Steven M. Schweda wrote:1 > > From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  > > J > > > on VAX (7.2),  given a 600 meg file containing raw image of an ODS-2 > CDJ > > > (what people would often refer to as an "ISO"), what is the best way > to. > >        ^---some           ^--- incorrectly > > G > > > take that file and move it to a disk to "initialize" that disk to  > become > > > a mountable disk ? > > I > >    Why "take that file and move it to a disk"?  Isn't it already on a 	 > > disk?  > > L > >    Isn't this what LD is supposed to do?  You may need to look around to; > > find a version compatible with VMS VAX V7.2, of course.  > ! > >From the Freeware V8.0 readme:  > F > This kit may or may not operate on releases older than OpenVMS AlphaH > V7.2-2, nor on releases earlier than OpenVMS VAX V7.3.  It may howeverG > be possible to build it from the included sources for these releases, 4 > please see the included release notes for details. > F > There is a shot it may work on VAX OpenVMS V7.2 but you will have to > build it yourself. >  > I There are older versions out there.  I may have just thrown away an LD062  CD.    WWWebb   --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com   ) ------=_Part_18640_33417926.1159326489603 + Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline    <br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 26 Sep 2006 19:49:22 -0700, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com">johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com</a></b> &lt;<a href="mailto:johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com">johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com  </a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>Steven M. Schweda wrote:<br>&gt; From: JF Mezei &lt;<a href="mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com">  jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; on VAX (7.2),&nbsp;&nbsp;given a 600 meg file containing raw image of an ODS-2 CD<br>&gt; &gt; (what people would often refer to as an &quot;ISO&quot;), what is the best way to<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;^---some&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ^--- incorrectly<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; take that file and move it to a disk to &quot;initialize&quot; that disk to become<br>&gt; &gt; a mountable disk ?<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Why &quot;take that file and move it to a disk&quot;?&nbsp;&nbsp;Isn't it already on a ;<br>&gt; disk?<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Isn't this what LD is supposed to do?&nbsp;&nbsp;You may need to look around to<br>&gt; find a version compatible with VMS VAX V7.2, of course.<br><br>&gt;From the Freeware V8.0 readme:<br><br>This kit may or may not operate on releases older than OpenVMS Alpha <br>V7.2-2, nor on releases earlier than OpenVMS VAX V7.3.&nbsp;&nbsp;It may however<br>be possible to build it from the included sources for these releases,<br>please see the included release notes for details.<br><br>There is a shot it may work on VAX OpenVMS  V7.2 but you will have to<br>build it yourself.<br><br></blockquote></div><br>There are older versions out there.&nbsp; I may have just thrown away an LD062 CD.<br><br>WWWebb<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ajilon Consulting<br>Site resident at  ` <br>Quest Diagnostics<br>first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,&quot;COMPRESS&quot;).com  + ------=_Part_18640_33417926.1159326489603--    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:03:10 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda): Subject: Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ?2 Message-ID: <06092622031033_2020028F@antinode.org>  / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com>   # > >       LD CONNECT file_or_device   ) > That was my first reflex response also.  > M > You must remember that LD is designed to take an ODS-2 file and use it as a J > container disk; and we can't tell from what was posted whether jf's "raw4 > image of an ODS-2 CD" meets that criterion or not. >  > The odds are that it doesn't.       You make me look optimistic.   N > He should use Nero or some Unix product with a rune-like name to burn the CD > image to a CD.      Why not cdrecord on VMS?   M > He can then do an image backup of it to a container disk created with LD if H > he really, really wants to get it on a VMS disk (of the logical kind).  H    Well, there were some rough edges, but it seemed to work for me (moreF or less).  Starting with a VMS Alpha V7.3-2 installation CD-ROM in the drive:  @       1.  Make the CD (non-ISO-9660) image file from the CD-ROM.  * ALP $ qreadcd cd1 ALP$DKA100:[cdr]v732.img  cd1 (_ALP$DQA0:) mounted.=  Error in read (QIOW) on cd1 (_ALP$DQA0:).  sts = %x0000008c. %  %SYSTEM-F-DRVERR, fatal drive error. # %SYSTEM-F-DRVERR, fatal drive error   G       2.  Pretend that that was satisfactory.  LD CONNECT to create the / LD device and associate it with the image file.   ) ALP $ ld connect ALP$DKA100:[cdr]v732.img ( %NONAME-I-NOMSG, Message number 0F84803B  :       3.  Figure out what that message was supposed to be.   ALP $ sysmsg %x0F84803B %    (SYS$COMMON:[SYSMSG]LD$MSG.EXE;1:) # %LD-I-UNIT, Allocated device is !AZ   H       4.  As that failed miserably, try to guess which LD device we just made.    ALP $ show device ld  P Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt. ALP$LDA0:               Online               0P ALP$LDA1:               Mounted              0  ODS5_ALP_1       14756     1   1. ALP$LDA2:               Online               0  5       5.  Figure that it must be LDA2, so mount that.   & ALP $ mount /noass /over = ident LDA2:P %MOUNT-W-INCONSIZE, inconsistent number of blocks reported, some data may not be  accessible 1 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, ALPHA0732 mounted on _ALP$LDA2:   0       6.  Feign satisfaction.  See what's there.  . ALP $ dir /date /prot /size ALP$LDA2:[KITS...]   Directory ALP$LDA2:[KITS]   F CDSA_KIT.DIR;1             1  31-OCT-2003 14:31:30.14  (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)# DECNET_PHASE_IV_ALPHA0732_KIT.DIR;1 F                            1  31-OCT-2003 14:30:51.43  (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) [...]          7.  What could go wrong?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:37:51 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ?, Message-ID: <4519F201.93319636@teksavvy.com>  4 Somethings require a lot of fighting to get working.  H But thanks to your pointers, I downloaded the LD 6.3 driver (not the mstH recent, but didn't need to recompile it etc) and it worked right off theF bat. I did an LD connect to that "ISO" file name and was able to mount it without any problems.  D Am now backing it to a real disk. (reason is to make sure that it isH cluster moutable by a node without the LD driver, and also ensure backup doesn't detect any flaws.     C Now, if they could add FAT disk format support, that would be extra F neat I know there are utilities to do that, but having it as standardI would be great. (for instance, reading some USB disks, cameras, mp3 etc).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:01:29 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> : Subject: Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ?I Message-ID: <8660a3a10609262101t61ba7e28w365ff93be3fd8432@mail.gmail.com>   ) ------=_Part_19416_32102951.1159329689638 ; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  Content-Disposition: inline   : On 9/26/06, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: > 6 > Somethings require a lot of fighting to get working. > J > But thanks to your pointers, I downloaded the LD 6.3 driver (not the mstJ > recent, but didn't need to recompile it etc) and it worked right off theH > bat. I did an LD connect to that "ISO" file name and was able to mount > it without any problems.       That's cool.  F Between you and Steve, I learned something about LD that I didn't know tonight.  D Am now backing it to a real disk. (reason is to make sure that it isJ > cluster moutable by a node without the LD driver, and also ensure backup > doesn't detect any flaws.  >  > E > Now, if they could add FAT disk format support, that would be extra J > neat=E9 I know there are utilities to do that, but having it as standardK > would be great. (for instance, reading some USB disks, cameras, mp3 etc).  >    neat=E9?  J As for USB, there are interesting things coming down the pike, but I don'tC think the chipset on the DS10L will work with what they're writing.    You're talking about LD or VMS?    later versions of OpenVMS have   MOUNT      /MEDIA_FORMAT            /MEDIA_FORMAT=3DCDROM   ?      Mounts a volume assuming the media to be ISO 9660 (or High       Sierra) formatted.   F      The /MEDIA_FORMAT=3DCDROM qualifier instructs the mount subsystemC      to attempt to mount a volume assuming the media to be ISO 9660        (or High Sierra) formatted.  I As for FAT, Hunter Goatley wrote something I used to use to read/write to A FAT-formatted floppies.  The name of it escapes me at the moment.    WWWebb --=20  Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com   ) ------=_Part_19416_32102951.1159329689638 + Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  Content-Disposition: inline   L <br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 9/26/06, <b class=3D"gmail_send=L ername">JF Mezei</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com">jf=L mezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=L quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt = 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> L Somethings require a lot of fighting to get working.<br><br>But thanks to y=L our pointers, I downloaded the LD 6.3 driver (not the mst<br>recent, but di=L dn't need to recompile it etc) and it worked right off the<br>bat. I did an=C  LD connect to that &quot;ISO&quot; file name and was able to mount L <br>it without any problems.</blockquote><div><br><br>That's cool.&nbsp; <b=L r><br>Between you and Steve, I learned something about LD that I didn't kno=L w tonight.&nbsp;</div><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border=L -left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-lef=	 t: 1ex;"> L Am now backing it to a real disk. (reason is to make sure that it is<br>clu=L ster moutable by a node without the LD driver, and also ensure backup<br>do=L esn't detect any flaws.<br><br><br>Now, if they could add FAT disk format s= upport, that would be extra L <br>neat=E9 I know there are utilities to do that, but having it as standar=L d<br>would be great. (for instance, reading some USB disks, cameras, mp3 et=L c).<br></blockquote></div><br>neat=E9?&nbsp;  <br><br>As for USB, there are=L  interesting things coming down the pike, but I don't think the chipset on =. the DS10L will work with what they're writing.L <br><br>You're talking about LD or VMS?<br><br>later versions of OpenVMS ha=L ve<br><br>MOUNT<br><br>&nbsp; /MEDIA_FORMAT<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=L &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /MEDIA_FORMAT=3DCDROM<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mo=< unts a volume assuming the media to be ISO 9660 (or High<br>L &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sierra) formatted.<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=L  The /MEDIA_FORMAT=3DCDROM qualifier instructs the mount subsystem<br>&nbsp=L ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to attempt to mount a volume assuming the media to be I=L SO 9660<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (or High Sierra) formatted.<br><br>As f=L or FAT, Hunter Goatley wrote something I used to use to read/write to FAT-f=A ormatted floppies.&nbsp; The name of it escapes me at the moment. L <br><br clear=3D"all">WWWebb<br>-- <br>Ajilon Consulting<br>Site resident a=L t <br>Quest Diagnostics<br>first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,&q= uot;COMPRESS&quot;).com   + ------=_Part_19416_32102951.1159329689638--    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:01:15 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda): Subject: Re: Creating an ODS2 disk from a container file ?2 Message-ID: <06092623011547_2020028F@antinode.org>  - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   6 > Somethings require a lot of fighting to get working.  F    You're supposed to keep your freeware up to date (if you don't keep your OS up to date, anyway).  J > But thanks to your pointers, I downloaded the LD 6.3 driver (not the mstJ > recent, but didn't need to recompile it etc) and it worked right off theH > bat. I did an LD connect to that "ISO" file name and was able to mount > it without any problems.      What could go wrong?   H    Note that most of the ugliness I reported earlier seems to be relatedD to using DQA0, an IDE ("TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1502") drive, instead ofE DKB500, a SCSI ("YAMAHA CRW2100S") drive, to make the image file from  the CD-ROM:   * ALP $ qreadcd cdr ALP$DKA100:[cdr]v732.img  cdr (_ALP$DKB500:) mounted.  Total bytes read = 649998336.  Time (s) =    165.   cdr (_ALP$DKB500:) dismounted.   ) ALP $ ld connect ALP$DKA100:[cdr]v732.img ) %LD-I-UNIT, Allocated device is ALP$LDA4:   & ALP $ mount /noass /over = ident LDA4:1 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, ALPHA0732 mounted on _ALP$LDA4:   E And "SET MESSAGE SYS$MESSAGE:LD$MSG.EXE" does wonders for the LD info = message.  By the way, is there a clever way to do a one-time, G system-wide "SET MESSAGE SYS$MESSAGE:LD$MSG.EXE" or equivalent, so that G the "%NONAME-I-NOMSG, Message number 0F84803B" annoyance never arises?  G (I notice that SYS$MANAGER:CDRECORD.COM has one in it.)  I'd prefer not G to have to stick this into SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM, if there's a better  method.   F Besides apparently better data integrity, using the SCSI drive has theH added advantage of eating only about 5% of the CPU on my XP1000, instead; of 100%.  (I've learned _my_ lesson, at least for a while.)   E > Now, if they could add FAT disk format support, that would be extra H > neat I know there are utilities to do that, but having it as standardK > would be great. (for instance, reading some USB disks, cameras, mp3 etc).   E    Around here, mtools ("http://antinode.org/dec/sw/mtools.html") now F _is_  standard.  At least on VMS V8.2, it seemed to do fine with a USB@ flash gizmo (much to my amazement).  (Not so well on VMS V7.3-2,	 however.)   / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com>   L > As for USB, there are interesting things coming down the pike, but I don'tE > think the chipset on the DS10L will work with what they're writing.   H    Yet another reason for a $10 USB card and more PCI slots than a DS10L offers.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2006 16:16:05 -0700( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com># Subject: DS15 graphics card options B Message-ID: <1159312565.868125.319520@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>  G Ok, I know the difference between 'works' and 'supported'.  I'm looking  for 'works' here.   F Alphaserver DS15, VMS V7.3-2 with patches and current Motif, currentlyB without graphics card.  Its getting put into a rack and losing itsF serial console.  We need to set up graphics in it for use as a consoleB with an HP KVM that actually does support Alphas for use for a fewA months.  After that when budgets refill we may be able to get the  supported Radeon card.  > The DS10 supports the same Radeon card, plus anumber of othersG including the old Gloria Synergy and Powerstorm 300.  Both of those are B or may be available for the temporary use.  The system will almostG never be logged into from the graphics console, but we need to retain a F console and the terminal can't stay. Can you tell that something other4 than the VMS system is driving this change?  Sigh...  F So... anyone tested the older cards in a DS15 by chance?  Per the DS10A option list, the supported cards are the Radeon 7500, Oxygen VX1, D Powerstorm 3D30, 300, and 350, and the Elsa Gloria.  Do any of these. work (in a reasonable if unsupported fashion)?   Thanks!   E Noted Islandco has a 'compatible' 7500 card for a nicer price that we E will also pitch to the customer as an option but I doubt we'll get it  right away.      Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:45:29 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L0 Message-ID: <87zmcmmshy.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  , "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  E > The DDX does 95% of all drawing operations for performance reasons. < > It PFN maps the hardware and accesses it from user mode toD > read/write registers.  On DMA devices, some use a QIO interface toD > the driver (the Oxygen VX1 for example) and some actually initiate2 > the DMA from user mode (the Radeon for example).  G How do you limit the address ranges of the DMA if it done by User code? ' Or do you just trust it to not be evil?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 01:50:17 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L0 Message-ID: <87venams9y.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  , "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  ? > supports - because X11 does not specify a specific order.  It B > doesn't specify te pixel size either - we once had a server that > would do 12-bit pixels.   ? Which one? Can you get to the full 36 bit gamut from an app? Be A an alternative to a V12 if so. And perhaps usable in summer which  an Octane isn't!   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2006 20:37:03 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L+ Message-ID: <efc31f0ejq@enews2.newsguy.com>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:A > Which one? Can you get to the full 36 bit gamut from an app? Be C > an alternative to a V12 if so. And perhaps usable in summer which  > an Octane isn't!  D Ouch, how hot is an Octane?  Sounds like I should just stick with myG O2/R12k-270, which is what I'm pretty much planning to do since IRIX is E basically dead.  I have a Sun Blade 1000 with Dual 750Mhz CPU's, it's L definitely not usable on normal summer days, though the dual 450Mhz Ultra 60 it replaced was.  H On a related note, how badly will a XP1000/667 raise the room temp vs. a: PWS433au?  I'm trying to decide if the XP1000 is to blame.   		Zane   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:19:34 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)& Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L2 Message-ID: <06092616193481_2020028F@antinode.org>   From: healyzh@aracnet.com   J > On a related note, how badly will a XP1000/667 raise the room temp vs. a< > PWS433au?  I'm trying to decide if the XP1000 is to blame.      My documents suggest:  6       PWS Rated Input Current (100VAC-120VAC):    5.5A6       XP1000 Rated Input Current (100VAC-120VAC): 6.5A  G So the XP1000 _should_ be able to make (18%) more heat than a PWS, but, E of course, it depends on what's in them.  My subjective impression is B that my 500MHz XP1000 spews more hot air than my (now disused) PSWG 500a[u] did.  The XP1000 felt enough warmer that I added another (slow) @ fan at the top of the back wall.  (I don't know if it makes much1 difference to the hardware, but _I_ feel better.)   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2006 21:39:37 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com & Subject: Re: Graphic options for DS10L, Message-ID: <efc6mp01vvf@enews3.newsguy.com>  ) FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote: J > Note - you may not LIKE what you see on the DVI port.  The analog outputC > "fuzzes" things a little.  I noted that when using a number of 3D J > applications, that things that used to look good - now had patterns thatH > were not attractive - because of a sharpening of the edges of areas in > shaded areas.   I Fred, thank you for taking the time to write a series of very interesting  posts.  K I'm curious, were the problems you have seen due to the speed of the screen G you were using?  Slower/older LCD displays aren't the best suited to 3D G graphics.  Though it kind of sounds like you're talking about something 
 different.  H While there can be issues with 3D graphics on a LCD (I've not personallyE seen the issues you're talking about), if you're doing primarily text H (programming, email, surfing, etc.) then DVI is likely to be better thanK going analog to the LCD.  Of course you also really want a LCD monitor that 3 your video card can drive at its native resolution.    		Zane   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2006 10:57:03 -0700; From: "William.W.Webb@gmail.com" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability B Message-ID: <1159293423.419725.313330@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: R > Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS and related- > professional services, support and related.  > O > Additional general information is available at <http://www.hoffmanlabs.org/>, K > and I would ask that inquiries be referred to/via the contact information 8 > available over there, and not to the HP email address. > + > And yes, HP and I are "parting amicably".  > @ > Now if y'all will excuse me, I have some (more) writing to do.  . Well let me be the first to wish you the best.   WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:04:23 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability + Message-ID: <45196BA0.627C829@teksavvy.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > R > Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS and related- > professional services, support and related.   G Good luck on your new endeavours.  I suspect that you won't have a hard E time finding customers. And I really hope you continue to participate E here. You have certaintly behaved here in a most reespectable way and : your contributions and patience has been most appreciated.  + > And yes, HP and I are "parting amicably".    Yeah... they all say that !     G What is a shame is that those leaving VMS engineering are not all going C to the same place. That way, you could recreate VMS engineering. By . splitting to various places it becomes harder.  C Your departure leaves questions about the future of VMS, especially % since you are not the first to leave.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2006 11:11:11 -0700; From: "William.W.Webb@gmail.com" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability B Message-ID: <1159294271.202129.123550@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > > T > > Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS and related/ > > professional services, support and related.  > I > Good luck on your new endeavours.  I suspect that you won't have a hard G > time finding customers. And I really hope you continue to participate G > here. You have certaintly behaved here in a most reespectable way and < > your contributions and patience has been most appreciated. > - > > And yes, HP and I are "parting amicably".  >  > Yeah... they all say that !  >  > I > What is a shame is that those leaving VMS engineering are not all going E > to the same place. That way, you could recreate VMS engineering. By 0 > splitting to various places it becomes harder. > E > Your departure leaves questions about the future of VMS, especially ' > since you are not the first to leave.   @ At the risk of speaking frankly, jf, that statement is downright idiotic.   VMS <> Hoff, VMS <> Guy,  VMS <> Hoff + Guy.  E What it *may* mean is that there may be some decrease in the official 7 participation by persons employed by HP in comp.os.vms.   D Or not, should others who as of now don't participate "step into theE breach", or others who do participate increase their rate of posting.    WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:58:28 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability : Message-ID: <XNWdnSeWZ5bL5YTYnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com>   William.W.Webb@gmail.com wrote:    > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > R >>Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS and related- >>professional services, support and related.  >>O >>Additional general information is available at <http://www.hoffmanlabs.org/>, K >>and I would ask that inquiries be referred to/via the contact information 8 >>available over there, and not to the HP email address. >>+ >>And yes, HP and I are "parting amicably".  >>@ >>Now if y'all will excuse me, I have some (more) writing to do. >  > 0 > Well let me be the first to wish you the best. >  > WWWebb >   F Now HP is trying to destroy VMS Engineering!  First Guy and now Hoff.  Where will it end?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:01:27 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability , Message-ID: <451978FC.D2EB7FC8@teksavvy.com>  ! "William.W.Webb@gmail.com" wrote: B > At the risk of speaking frankly, jf, that statement is downright
 > idiotic. >  > VMS <> Hoff,
 > VMS <> Guy,  > VMS <> Hoff + Guy.  F Hoff and Guy are not the only ones who have left. I am not in the sameC country, have never worked for the owner(s) of VMS, and I know of 2 J more.  And one of those 2 told me that there had been *many* redundancies.  = Remember that Hurd is out to make 15,000 employees redundant.   D Remember that it isn't just those who work on the kernel or DCL thatB count. It is also TCPIP Services, DECNET, RMS etc etc etc etc etc.  A When the DCL guy left, he didn't mention he would be replaced. He E mentioned that the other guy would continue to support DCL.  Did Hoff G mention he was being replaced ? Is it possible to replace such a senior  guy ?   2 Who will maintain Ask the Wizard and the FAQ ?????    G A company's strength is its employees. And that is what made VMS a high D quality product compared to a certain company on the west coast thatF hired inexperienced windows weenies to develop its operatin system and; applications that are riddled with security holes and bugs.     F When looking back at History, will Hoff's departure be seen as big and" important as Cuttler's departure ?  G Will Hoff's desk space be preserved for posterity (like they do for the ! jerseys of famous hocket stars) ?   H Will there be internal infighting between the remaining VMS engineers toB decide who gets control over the nodes Hoff controlled ? (I assumeE "starlet" was his ?) Will the infighting cause so much animosity that F the whole group will fall apart and work against each other ? Will SueG step in to reign in the engineers and bring back order and peace to the G group ? Is Ann McQuaid even aware that Hoff is leaving ?  Will there be H tearjerking moments as Hoff leaves on the last day ? Will Sue get on herE brand new knee to beg Hoff to stay ? Or is she so jealous of him that G she has actually worked hard behind the scenes to get rid of him ?  All = this and more in the next episode of "As the VMS world turns"    :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-) ;-) ;-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:15:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability , Message-ID: <45197C57.E4E41625@teksavvy.com>   "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: G > Now HP is trying to destroy VMS Engineering!  First Guy and now Hoff.  > Where will it end?  L The'll starting hiring ex-Microsoft weenie employees to take care of VMS :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2006 12:25:29 -0700; From: "William.W.Webb@gmail.com" <William.W.Webb@gmail.com> ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability B Message-ID: <1159298729.754683.323340@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote: # > "William.W.Webb@gmail.com" wrote: D > > At the risk of speaking frankly, jf, that statement is downright > > idiotic. > >  > > VMS <> Hoff, > > VMS <> Guy,  > > VMS <> Hoff + Guy. > H > Hoff and Guy are not the only ones who have left. I am not in the sameE > country, have never worked for the owner(s) of VMS, and I know of 2 L > more.  And one of those 2 told me that there had been *many* redundancies. > ? > Remember that Hurd is out to make 15,000 employees redundant.  > F > Remember that it isn't just those who work on the kernel or DCL thatD > count. It is also TCPIP Services, DECNET, RMS etc etc etc etc etc. > C > When the DCL guy left, he didn't mention he would be replaced. He G > mentioned that the other guy would continue to support DCL.  Did Hoff I > mention he was being replaced ? Is it possible to replace such a senior  > guy ?  > 4 > Who will maintain Ask the Wizard and the FAQ ????? >  > I > A company's strength is its employees. And that is what made VMS a high F > quality product compared to a certain company on the west coast thatH > hired inexperienced windows weenies to develop its operatin system and= > applications that are riddled with security holes and bugs.  >  > H > When looking back at History, will Hoff's departure be seen as big and$ > important as Cuttler's departure ? > I > Will Hoff's desk space be preserved for posterity (like they do for the # > jerseys of famous hocket stars) ?  > J > Will there be internal infighting between the remaining VMS engineers toD > decide who gets control over the nodes Hoff controlled ? (I assumeG > "starlet" was his ?) Will the infighting cause so much animosity that H > the whole group will fall apart and work against each other ? Will SueI > step in to reign in the engineers and bring back order and peace to the I > group ? Is Ann McQuaid even aware that Hoff is leaving ?  Will there be J > tearjerking moments as Hoff leaves on the last day ? Will Sue get on herG > brand new knee to beg Hoff to stay ? Or is she so jealous of him that I > she has actually worked hard behind the scenes to get rid of him ?  All ? > this and more in the next episode of "As the VMS world turns"  > ! > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-) ;-) ;-)    Sue?  Jealous of Hoff?  0 Clearly winning the DS10L has gone to your head!  B > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-) ;-) ;-)> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-) ;-) ;-)   WWWebb   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2006 12:30:56 -0700) From: "DaveG" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability C Message-ID: <1159299056.909561.245880@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote: R > Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS and related- > professional services, support and related.  > O > Additional general information is available at <http://www.hoffmanlabs.org/>, K > and I would ask that inquiries be referred to/via the contact information 8 > available over there, and not to the HP email address. > + > And yes, HP and I are "parting amicably".  > @ > Now if y'all will excuse me, I have some (more) writing to do.  D Best of luck to you Hoff.  You have contributed thoughtful and civil> musings on the subject of OpenVMS for many years both here and elsewhere.  Thank you.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2006 13:15:47 -0700( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability B Message-ID: <1159301747.419164.311900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   > Hoff Hoffman wrote: T > > Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS and related/ > > professional services, support and related.  > > Q > > Additional general information is available at <http://www.hoffmanlabs.org/>, M > > and I would ask that inquiries be referred to/via the contact information : > > available over there, and not to the HP email address. > > - > > And yes, HP and I are "parting amicably".  > > B > > Now if y'all will excuse me, I have some (more) writing to do.     Hoff, G      best of luck in all your future endeavors, and thank you very much G for all you've done for us here and at the various VMS-owning companies  over the years.      Rich   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:21:17 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply); Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability $ Message-ID: <efc23s$d4o$3@online.de>  7 In article <45192e4a@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, Hoff Hoffman " <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> writes:   S > Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS and related  - > professional services, support and related.  > P > Additional general information is available at <http://www.hoffmanlabs.org/>, L > and I would ask that inquiries be referred to/via the contact information 8 > available over there, and not to the HP email address.  . Maybe I can hire you when I'm rich and famous.  + > And yes, HP and I are "parting amicably".   ? If the quotes weren't there, DCL would parse the contents.  :-)    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:23:04 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply); Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability $ Message-ID: <efc278$d4o$4@online.de>  5 In article <451978FC.D2EB7FC8@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    I > Will Hoff's desk space be preserved for posterity (like they do for the # > jerseys of famous hocket stars) ?    Retire his UIC I say!    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2006 16:00:17 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability 3 Message-ID: <oJaf7t0eQoBb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <efc278$d4o$4@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: 7 > In article <451978FC.D2EB7FC8@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ) > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   > J >> Will Hoff's desk space be preserved for posterity (like they do for the$ >> jerseys of famous hocket stars) ? >  > Retire his UIC I say!   H Having nothing to do with Steve Hoffman in particular, that is generallyH good advice when shutting down usernames so that reading old audit files continues to work well.   K I would argue, in fact, that such behavior is the proper VMS implementation * of NIST 800-53 control IA-4 where it says:  # 	"(vi) archiving user identifiers".   ; I find no corresponding language in DoD Instruction 8500.2, , but those two standards diverge quite a bit. --  N ==============================================================================0 DoD Instruction 8500.2 field test sites wanted -- 	http://www.LJK.com/LJK/8500_2_fieldtest.html N ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:31:31 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability < Message-ID: <45199a67$0$24196$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  : "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote in message $ news:45192e4a@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > K > Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS and  5 > related professional services, support and related.  > 1 > Additional general information is available at  L > <http://www.hoffmanlabs.org/>, and I would ask that inquiries be referred I > to/via the contact information available over there, and not to the HP   > email address. > + > And yes, HP and I are "parting amicably".  > @ > Now if y'all will excuse me, I have some (more) writing to do. >   J This is truly the end of an era. (and better not have anything to do with  OpenVMS jobs going to India :-)   M I really enjoyed reading your blog. Will you be allowed to keep it active or  & will you be moving it to Hoffman Labs?  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:12:13 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability 9 Message-ID: <94GdnYxnAqdIIoTYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@libcom.com>    William.W.Webb@gmail.com wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  >> Hoff Hoffman wrote:T >>> Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS and related/ >>> professional services, support and related. J >> Good luck on your new endeavours.  I suspect that you won't have a hardH >> time finding customers. And I really hope you continue to participateH >> here. You have certaintly behaved here in a most reespectable way and= >> your contributions and patience has been most appreciated.  >>- >>> And yes, HP and I are "parting amicably".  >> Yeah... they all say that ! >> >>J >> What is a shame is that those leaving VMS engineering are not all goingF >> to the same place. That way, you could recreate VMS engineering. By1 >> splitting to various places it becomes harder.  >>F >> Your departure leaves questions about the future of VMS, especially( >> since you are not the first to leave. > B > At the risk of speaking frankly, jf, that statement is downright
 > idiotic.  ( Well it is JF, what else did you expect?   > VMS <> Hoff,
 > VMS <> Guy,  > VMS <> Hoff + Guy. > G > What it *may* mean is that there may be some decrease in the official 9 > participation by persons employed by HP in comp.os.vms.  > F > Or not, should others who as of now don't participate "step into theG > breach", or others who do participate increase their rate of posting.    Ok, here's how it works.  F There a person is, happily working for a company.  He/She thinks they I know where they stand with respect to the job.  However, companies don't  I always have the same perspective on the job as the person doing the job.  G   Sometimes it's an employee having an attitude about issues they have  I no right to have an attitude about.  Sometimes it's the employer causing   outrage in the employee.   Small outrage, maybe accept it.   7 Medium outrage, possibly seek new employment elsewhere.   H Major outrage, the employee not only leaves, but vows to never work for  a big company again.  G Been there, done #3.  It does take some years to gain some perspective  7 on things.  It takes some time to get over the outrage.   G Personally, I don't think too many would leave VMS Engineering as long  B as they thought it was what they wanted to do.  Just not too many D openings for such work.  That's just my thinking, and possibly some F people may get tired of something and just want to do something else. G But that's not the case with either Steve or Guy.  They're sticking to    the VMS world, just not with HP.  H Hey, I asked what stunk when Guy left.  Didn't really expect him to air  the dirty laundry in public.  E Something is going on, possibly something we've worried about in the  H past.  Don't know.  But don't ask this old rascal to believe everything F is just peachy keen.  VMS as we've known it is in trouble.  Maybe not 5 short term trouble, but definitely long term trouble.   H What about the FAQ and ATW?  Are these officially supported by HP, or a G contribution to the user community by a few who care enough to do such?   H Wishing you the best Steve.  Thanks for the memories.  Not done though, B there's a real good chance that you'll be hearing from me about a < problem thats been hanging around my neck for a dozen years.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:25:28 -0400 / From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability I Message-ID: <8660a3a10609261725g4362d5fbwb2633525b8547a0e@mail.gmail.com>   ) ------=_Part_16220_24145250.1159316728446 ; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   4 On 9/26/06, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: > ! > William.W.Webb@gmail.com wrote:  > > JF Mezei wrote:  > >> Hoff Hoffman wrote:J > >>> Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS
 > and related 1 > >>> professional services, support and related. L > >> Good luck on your new endeavours.  I suspect that you won't have a hardJ > >> time finding customers. And I really hope you continue to participateJ > >> here. You have certaintly behaved here in a most reespectable way and? > >> your contributions and patience has been most appreciated.  > >>/ > >>> And yes, HP and I are "parting amicably".   > >> Yeah... they all say that ! > >> > >>L > >> What is a shame is that those leaving VMS engineering are not all goingH > >> to the same place. That way, you could recreate VMS engineering. By3 > >> splitting to various places it becomes harder.  > >>H > >> Your departure leaves questions about the future of VMS, especially* > >> since you are not the first to leave. > > D > > At the risk of speaking frankly, jf, that statement is downright > > idiotic. > * > Well it is JF, what else did you expect? >  > > VMS <> Hoff, > > VMS <> Guy,  > > VMS <> Hoff + Guy. > > I > > What it *may* mean is that there may be some decrease in the official ; > > participation by persons employed by HP in comp.os.vms.  > > H > > Or not, should others who as of now don't participate "step into theI > > breach", or others who do participate increase their rate of posting.  >  > Ok, here's how it works. > G > There a person is, happily working for a company.  He/She thinks they J > know where they stand with respect to the job.  However, companies don'tJ > always have the same perspective on the job as the person doing the job.H >   Sometimes it's an employee having an attitude about issues they haveJ > no right to have an attitude about.  Sometimes it's the employer causing > outrage in the employee. > ! > Small outrage, maybe accept it.  > 9 > Medium outrage, possibly seek new employment elsewhere.  > I > Major outrage, the employee not only leaves, but vows to never work for  > a big company again. > H > Been there, done #3.  It does take some years to gain some perspective9 > on things.  It takes some time to get over the outrage.  > H > Personally, I don't think too many would leave VMS Engineering as longC > as they thought it was what they wanted to do.  Just not too many E > openings for such work.  That's just my thinking, and possibly some G > people may get tired of something and just want to do something else. H > But that's not the case with either Steve or Guy.  They're sticking to" > the VMS world, just not with HP. > I > Hey, I asked what stunk when Guy left.  Didn't really expect him to air  > the dirty laundry in public. > F > Something is going on, possibly something we've worried about in theI > past.  Don't know.  But don't ask this old rascal to believe everything G > is just peachy keen.  VMS as we've known it is in trouble.  Maybe not 7 > short term trouble, but definitely long term trouble.  > I > What about the FAQ and ATW?  Are these officially supported by HP, or a I > contribution to the user community by a few who care enough to do such?  > I > Wishing you the best Steve.  Thanks for the memories.  Not done though, C > there's a real good chance that you'll be hearing from me about a > > problem thats been hanging around my neck for a dozen years. >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450@ > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > DFE Ultralights, Inc.  > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486  >    Dave,   8 I never said that everything was "peachy keen" with VMS.> Nor did I say that I'd expect you to believe it had I said it.  &  Anybody with half a brain knows that.  C That's why I keep writing letters to management every so often, and L occasionally I vent to people inside HP that I'm good enough friends with toD where my vents are welcome and they get forwarded up the food chain.  ? But it's not "End Of VMS As We Know It -- Film At 11!", either.   L If we keep buyin' it and paying for the maintenance, they'll keep makin' it., Too much coin involved to just shut it down.   WWWebb --   Ajilon Consulting  Site resident at Quest Diagnostics = first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,"COMPRESS").com   ) ------=_Part_16220_24145250.1159316728446 + Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Content-Disposition: inline   2<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/26/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Dave Froble</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com">davef@tsoft-inc.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <a href="mailto:William.W.Webb@gmail.com">William.W.Webb@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>&gt; JF Mezei wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; Hoff Hoffman wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS and related <br>&gt;&gt;&gt; professional services, support and related.<br>&gt;&gt; Good luck on your new endeavours.&nbsp;&nbsp;I suspect that you won't have a hard<br>&gt;&gt; time finding customers. And I really hope you continue to participate <br>&gt;&gt; here. You have certaintly behaved here in a most reespectable way and<br>&gt;&gt; your contributions and patience has been most appreciated.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; And yes, HP and I are &quot;parting amicably&quot;.  <br>&gt;&gt; Yeah... they all say that !<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; What is a shame is that those leaving VMS engineering are not all going<br>&gt;&gt; to the same place. That way, you could recreate VMS engineering. By<br>&gt;&gt; splitting to various places it becomes harder.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Your departure leaves questions about the future of VMS, especially<br>&gt;&gt; since you are not the first to leave.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; At the risk of speaking frankly, jf, that statement is downright <br>&gt; idiotic.<br><br>Well it is JF, what else did you expect?<br><br>&gt; VMS &lt;&gt; Hoff,<br>&gt; VMS &lt;&gt; Guy,<br>&gt; VMS &lt;&gt; Hoff + Guy.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; What it *may* mean is that there may be some decrease in the official  <br>&gt; participation by persons employed by HP in comp.os.vms.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Or not, should others who as of now don't participate &quot;step into the<br>&gt; breach&quot;, or others who do participate increase their rate of posting. <br><br>Ok, here's how it works.<br><br>There a person is, happily working for a company.&nbsp;&nbsp;He/She thinks they<br>know where they stand with respect to the job.&nbsp;&nbsp;However, companies don't<br>always have the same perspective on the job as the person doing the job.  <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;Sometimes it's an employee having an attitude about issues they have<br>no right to have an attitude about.&nbsp;&nbsp;Sometimes it's the employer causing<br>outrage in the employee.<br><br>Small outrage, maybe accept it.<br>  <br>Medium outrage, possibly seek new employment elsewhere.<br><br>Major outrage, the employee not only leaves, but vows to never work for<br>a big company again.<br><br>Been there, done #3.&nbsp;&nbsp;It does take some years to gain some perspective3<br>on things.&nbsp;&nbsp;It takes some time to get over the outrage.<br><br>Personally, I don't think too many would leave VMS Engineering as long<br>as they thought it was what they wanted to do.&nbsp;&nbsp;Just not too many<br>openings for such work.&nbsp;&nbsp;That's just my thinking, and possibly some <br>people may get tired of something and just want to do something else.<br>But that's not the case with either Steve or Guy.&nbsp;&nbsp;They're sticking to<br>the VMS world, just not with HP.<br><br>Hey, I asked what stunk when Guy left.&nbsp;&nbsp;Didn't really expect him to air(<br>the dirty laundry in public.<br><br>Something is going on, possibly something we've worried about in the<br>past.&nbsp;&nbsp;Don't know.&nbsp;&nbsp;But don't ask this old rascal to believe everything<br>is just peachy keen.&nbsp;&nbsp;VMS as we've known it is in trouble.&nbsp;&nbsp;Maybe not@<br>short term trouble, but definitely long term trouble.<br><br>What about the FAQ and ATW?&nbsp;&nbsp;Are these officially supported by HP, or a<br>contribution to the user community by a few who care enough to do such?<br><br>Wishing you the best Steve.&nbsp;&nbsp;Thanks for the memories.&nbsp;&nbsp;Not done though,<br>there's a real good chance that you'll be hearing from me about a<br>problem thats been hanging around my neck for a dozen years.<br><br>--<br>David Froble&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tel: 724-529-0450<br>Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;E-Mail:  <a href="mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com">davef@tsoft-inc.com</a><br>DFE Ultralights, Inc.<br>170 Grimplin Road<br>Vanderbilt, PA&nbsp;&nbsp;15486<br></blockquote></div><br>Dave, <br><br>I never said that everything was &quot;peachy keen&quot; with VMS.  Y<br>Nor did I say that I'd expect you to believe it had I said it.<br><br>&nbsp;Anybody with half a brain knows that.&nbsp; <br><br>That's why I keep writing letters to management every so often, and occasionally I vent to people inside HP that I'm good enough friends with to where my vents are welcome and they get forwarded up the food chain.  <br clear="all"><br>But it's not &quot;End Of VMS As We Know It -- Film At 11!&quot;, either.<br><br>If we keep buyin' it and paying for the maintenance, they'll keep makin' it.<br>Too much coin involved to just shut it down.  <br><br>WWWebb<br>-- <br>Ajilon Consulting<br>Site resident at <br>Quest Diagnostics<br>first.x.last@f$edit(contents of previous line,&quot;COMPRESS&quot;).com   + ------=_Part_16220_24145250.1159316728446--    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:13:05 +1000 ( From: Phaeton <phaeton@internode.on.net>; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability 0 Message-ID: <12hjggjefjnfa12@corp.supernews.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > K > Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS and  5 > related professional services, support and related.  > 1 > Additional general information is available at  C > <http://www.hoffmanlabs.org/>, and I would ask that inquiries be  K > referred to/via the contact information available over there, and not to   > the HP email address.  > + > And yes, HP and I are "parting amicably".  > @ > Now if y'all will excuse me, I have some (more) writing to do.  = 	As others, I wish you all the best, Hoff. Your help, advices > 	have been the highlights of this newsgroup, being always very/ 	helpful, to-the-point, courteous and relevant. ) 	Without a doubt, everyone will miss you.   : 	But everything changes. Let's hope that your ventures and; 	endeavours will be successful. Please don't forget VMS and  	keep in touch... A                                                   Cheers,   Csaba   E --------------------------------------------------------------------- D    CSABA I. HARANGOZO    |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|    phaeton@internode.on.netE --------------------------------------------------------------------- <     EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:     Sattinger's Law : %    It works better if you plug it in.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2006 17:31:34 -0700 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability C Message-ID: <1159317094.731413.179320@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote: R > Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS and related- > professional services, support and related.  > O > Additional general information is available at <http://www.hoffmanlabs.org/>, K > and I would ask that inquiries be referred to/via the contact information 8 > available over there, and not to the HP email address. > + > And yes, HP and I are "parting amicably".  > @ > Now if y'all will excuse me, I have some (more) writing to do.< You havn't done this just to get away from Richard have you? :) Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:19:29 +0300 ; From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@bruden.com> ; Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs Professional Services Availability 9 Message-ID: <4519fcea$0$19662$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>   9 "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote in message $ news:45192e4a@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > J > Effective 23-Oct-2006, I expect to be directly available for OpenVMS and related - > professional services, support and related.  > 0 > Additional general information is available at <http://www.hoffmanlabs.org/>,K > and I would ask that inquiries be referred to/via the contact information 8 > available over there, and not to the HP email address. > + > And yes, HP and I are "parting amicably".  > @ > Now if y'all will excuse me, I have some (more) writing to do. >    Good luck Hoff !   Guy        --  = Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2006 18:34:03 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)> Subject: Re: In the Land of the Blind, the Hoff is truly King!+ Message-ID: <4nta4qFc18stU1@individual.net>   3 In article <47KSJqjeMJwM@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:[ > In article <U0dSg.377$_b5.234@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:  >> Richard Maher wrote: 8 >>> Maybe Bliss needs some /CHECK=BOUNDS trainer-wheels? >>> J >>> But I don't know Bliss so maybe it just knows, and I'm jumping the gunJ >>> again. If only John Reagan hadn't been bound, gagged and thrown in theO >>> basement then *he* could've told us :-( Off to find another Bliss person. .  >>> .  >>>  >>  J >> I've chewed through the restraints enough to type this with one finger. >>  J >> The predeclared BLISS structure constructs like BITVECTOR, VECTOR, and D >> BLOCK have no builtin support for such things like /CHECK=BOUNDS. >>  K >> However, if one desired, you can declare your own structure with a name  I >> like CHECKED_VECTOR that could execute code at run-time to verify the  K >> bounds.  However, you would have to modify the BLISS source to get that  J >> benefit.  Traditionally, most people haven't gone to this extreme when  >> writing BLISS code. >>   > E > John may be too humble to mention it, but checks on such things are $ > featured in languages like Pascal. > E > To me it does not make much sense to put a lot of effort into cases E > where programmers have chosen the wrong language for their purpose.  >   @ One of my pet peeves!!  But when I try to point out that pickingA the right language for the job is one of the early stages of true ? Software Engineering it always seems to just fall on deaf ears.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:22:57 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)1 Subject: Resetting bios Admin password on ZX2000? 6 Message-ID: <00A5C510.7DC22392@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   Gang --   K Yes, it's the same ZX2000S I got from a friend.  (And I have to get back to 4 some people here who wanted them; I got distracted.)  M Anyway, I haven't played with them yet, but a coworker is doing so, and finds N that he can't boot from CD or install software because of an Admin password inI the BIOS.  The original source doesn't remember setting a BIOS password.  O Disconnecting the battery and reconnecting didn't clear the password.  Is there L a jumper setting or something that will clear the password, or is there someB other technique that will allow overwriting the existing software?   Thanks,    -- Alan    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2006 18:58:45 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com ; Subject: Re: Should I upgrade from 7.3-2 and if so to what? , Message-ID: <efbt9502h6u@enews1.newsguy.com>  7 Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote: F > I suggest V8.2 now and V8.3 real soon now (some layered products areK > missing especially 3rd party of course). But V7.3-2 (aka V7.5 ;-) is also D > ok so far. V7.3-2 support will change to PVS end of this year (but > hobbyists don't care)   D Is there a list of missing layered products?  What prevents previous3 versions of these layered products from being used?    	Zane    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:54:16 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda); Subject: Re: Should I upgrade from 7.3-2 and if so to what? 2 Message-ID: <06092614541660_2020028F@antinode.org>   From: healyzh@aracnet.com   9 > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote: H > > I suggest V8.2 now and V8.3 real soon now (some layered products areM > > missing especially 3rd party of course). But V7.3-2 (aka V7.5 ;-) is also F > > ok so far. V7.3-2 support will change to PVS end of this year (but > > hobbyists don't care)  > F > Is there a list of missing layered products?  What prevents previous5 > versions of these layered products from being used?   H    Pathworks for Macintosh stops working after V7.3-2.  (One more reason> to keep a VAX around.)  Shareable image mismatch, as I recall.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2006 15:59:50 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: TPU Reload command 3 Message-ID: <3R7w3bQuOGWH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <1159294234.571868.70090@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, vancouvercancun@yahoo.ca writes:  > D > Say, when looking at a file in TPU, I know the underlying file hasD > changed on disk and I want to reload it with a single command(likeH > Gold+R). Has anybody already coded a EVE routine to do this ? Or would+ > like to point me in the right direction ?   A    You can always open another file in TPU.  If you have one open A    and a new version of it is created, you'll have to provide the A    version number of the file when you open the new one (or close     the old one first).  F    If someone is changing the contents of the existing version, you'll(    have to close the file and reopen it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 00:31:33 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com>  Subject: Re: TPU Reload command E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0609261814480.25225@localhost.localdomain>   3 On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 vancouvercancun@yahoo.ca wrote:   D > For example, assume it is the log output of a long running batch. F > Output is periodically written to file on disk. The file is already G > open in the buffers list. I am looking at the content of the file. I  B > want to reload the same file once in a while to read the latest D > output. I want to code a macro that will close the current buffer C > and reopen the same buffer with the new content. What is the TPU  A > code allowing me to do this macro ? Anybody has coded some TPU   > routines ?  B Take a look at HELP TPU when you are in EVE.  Something like this  would do it:      PROCEDURE REFRESH2      FN := GET_INFO (CURRENT_BUFFER, "FILE_NAME");      ERASE (CURRENT_BUFFER);      READ_FILE (FN);    ENDPROCEDURE;  B Compile this (HELP COMPILE) and then define gold-R to execute TPU  REFRESH (HELP DEFINE KEY).  	 Have fun.      --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-9343 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:17:57 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)" Subject: Re: UPDATE 8.0 and BACKUP$ Message-ID: <efc1tk$d4o$2@online.de>  G In article <1159288355.600236.123520@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>, "Ian  Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes:   1 > Does this manual help with 'what is a module' ? H > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82final/5952/5952pro_004.html#object_sec  6 Perhaps, but why do I get the message only for BACKUP?   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.530 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            