1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 30 Sep 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 537       Contents: 2006-09 Distrbution CD-ROMS?) Re: adding a disk and putting it "online"   Re: BACKUP locks up a directory?  Converting VAX licences to Alpha$ Re: Converting VAX licences to Alpha
 Re: ES40 NICs 
 Re: ES40 NICs 
 Re: ES40 NICs . Re: hobbyist licensing site down / helping out. Re: hobbyist licensing site down / helping out Re: hsz40 firmware question $ Re: Hub vs Switch : SCS, LAT, DECNET) Re: Intel to add new instructions to 8086 ) Re: Intel to add new instructions to 8086 ) Re: Intel to add new instructions to 8086 2 Re: More on the transitions at OpenVMS Engineering7 Re: OpenVMS support contracts for hobbyists: A scenario 7 Re: OpenVMS support contracts for hobbyists: A scenario ? Re: Options for the future of VMS systems after last order date ? Re: Options for the future of VMS systems after last order date ? Re: Options for the future of VMS systems after last order date ? Re: Options for the future of VMS systems after last order date   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:47:45 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> % Subject: 2006-09 Distrbution CD-ROMS? < Message-ID: <451e8fcb$0$24177$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  K Question to people with software support contracts. Have you received your  
 fall kit yet?   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:40:10 -0500 . From: Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom>2 Subject: Re: adding a disk and putting it "online": Message-ID: <NI-dnd-Dh-o7AYPYnZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@comcast.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: I > Since I have had no responses to my long post under a different title,  ( > I'll try a short post with this title. > I > If I physically add an SBB (an RZ28 disk) disk to a running VAX system, H > in order to be able to use it, is the best (only) thing to do to issue > the command  >  >    SYSGEN> AUTOCONFIGURE ALL > G > I've done this many times in the past with no problem.  Now, it froze I > the process doing it, caused members of shadow sets served by that node C > to be dismounted (after throwing the whole shadow sets into mount D > verification for a while first) and put a single disk (a CD in the8 > internal CD drive) into permanent mount verification.  > H > VAX 7.3 with all patches.  In particular, VAXSHAD03 has been recently J > installed.  (Since everything looked OK I wanted to add back the member K > of the system-disk shadow set I had removed before patch application for  B > use as a quick backup if the patch application caused problems.) >   E In addition to what Hoff said, please remember that in this case you  F weren't swapping an existing disk with a replacement, you were adding D something new to the SCSI bus that hadn't been seen by the system's I console.  If you toss a new SCSI drive into a VAX without power cycling,  F you typically have to go thru a cycle of HALT, UNJAM and INIT for the G device to show up properly to the console before it shows up with SHOW  D DEVICE.  In my experience the same has held true for most all Alpha D consoles with direct-connected SCSI devices.  Disks that you add or C configure behind a HSZ, HSD or HSJ seem slightly different because  I they're handled by the controller.  I've never had good experiences when  F changing the configuration of direct connect devices that the console  'sees.'    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:11:18 -0500 . From: Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom>) Subject: Re: BACKUP locks up a directory? : Message-ID: <1LKdnbtfjrNsPoPYnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com>  
 AEF wrote:I > I was doing an image backup of an 18-GB disk. During this backup one of I > my market servers was running the end-of-day job. At the end of the job G > it copied certain files created the same day to another VAX system. A G > total of 24 files are normally copied. These range in size from a few E > blocks to a couple thousand. Anyway, the first 15 files were copied E > okay but the next 15 failed with the following error (actual sample  > from the log file):  > * > %COPY-E-OPENOUT, error opening NODE16"FTE > password"::FT_STORAGE_DISK:[FT.ARC.EQUITIES]FTOATTRN060929.SEQ;0 as  > output3 > -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user C > %COPY-W-NOTCOPIED, _NODE2$DKA400:[FT.DAT]FTOATTRN060929.SEQ;1 not  > copied > 4 > I assume that the "other user" was the backup job. >  > The DCL command was  > A > $ COPY/LOG FTDAT:FT*060929*.*;0/EXCLUDE=(FTGVT*.DAT,FTSYS*.DAT) = > NODE16"FT XXXXXXXX"::FT_STORAGE_DISK:[FT.ARC.EQUITIES]*.*;0  > I > So I got 15 success messages, followed by 9 error messages like the one ) > above, followed by the summary message.  > G > I aborted the backup job at this point and re-ran the EOD job. It ran E > fine and copied all 24 files successfully. I looked at the tape and E > sure enough, the backup job had just started copying files from the  > [FT.ARC.EQUITIES] directory. > E > Some more possibly relevant information: NODE2 is running VMS v6.1. F > NODE16 is running VMS v6.2. The directory [FT.ARC.EQUITIES] containsB > about 24000 files. The EQUITIES.DIR file is 2751 blocks in size. > H > NODE2 is a MicroVAX 3100 Model 95. NODE16 is a MicroVAX 3100 Model 80. > E > Is this normal BACKUP behavior? The backup takes so long that it is I > difficult to avoid the EOD job. I've done this before several times and F > never had this problem. I assume I am a victim of bad timing. But isH > this normal, that a "hot backup" can lock up directories and/or files?# > Is there a better way to do this?  > 	 > Thanks.  >  > AEF  >   E Let me guess...  you've got some permutation of /ignore=interlock in  D that BACKUP command?  I know that the time required to perform disk G BACKUPs is sometimes restrictive, but this is like the UNHoly Grail of  D BACKUP...  /ignore=interlock is a "you get what you get" situation. B Failures due to locked files during BACKUP with /ignore=interlock E processing CAN HAPPEN, and the best of luck to ya!  I hate to be the  I harbinger of doom, but *THIS* IS HOW IT WORKS and you're not making your  ? own job easier if you have to recover from a saveset made with  I /ignore=interlock.  /IMAGE also has it's own set of restrictions and how   it handles file locking.  H Bottom line?  If you MUST use BACKUP with /ignore=interlock while other F activity is occurring, you may or may not get a usable, viable set of C valid data in your saveset.  You might get really lucky and have a  H recoverable dataset.  You might get "half" lucky and have a recoverable G dataset with partially updated (aka corrupt) data in it.  This is YOUR  E decision to make and your problem to uncover and fix.  I've made the  G same choices to satisfy time restrictions and my own limitations, it's  D the best you can do sometimes, but please understand the exposure...   bob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 03:02:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Converting VAX licences to Alpha , Message-ID: <451E165C.185A4CB7@teksavvy.com>  C I have a few legitimate licences I had purchased/inherited prior to  hobbyist programme starting.    F Some of those are not on the hobbyist roster of licences. And of thoseH most are on an availability code limiting them to VAX. (codes E and F as I recall). They have MOD UNITS.   G And even for those which are available on hobbyist, I would rather keep C my "permanent" ones to reduce the annual spring cleaning of expired   licences (mine expire in may :-)  C Are there any "hobbyist" ways to convert those licenses so they are G usable on Alpha ? Or is the only way to pay big bucks to HP to re-issue G them for Alpha ? Having to pay the big bucks would mean I would have to A plan on keeping at least one VAX permanantly, in essence probably K reflecting why roughly 25 to 33% of the VMS installed base is still on VAX.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 08:01:15 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> - Subject: Re: Converting VAX licences to Alpha ; Message-ID: <451e5ab6$0$5683$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:451E165C.185A4CB7@teksavvy.com...D >I have a few legitimate licences I had purchased/inherited prior to > hobbyist programme starting. > H > Some of those are not on the hobbyist roster of licences. And of thoseJ > most are on an availability code limiting them to VAX. (codes E and F as! > I recall). They have MOD UNITS.  > I > And even for those which are available on hobbyist, I would rather keep E > my "permanent" ones to reduce the annual spring cleaning of expired " > licences (mine expire in may :-) > E > Are there any "hobbyist" ways to convert those licenses so they are I > usable on Alpha ? Or is the only way to pay big bucks to HP to re-issue I > them for Alpha ? Having to pay the big bucks would mean I would have to C > plan on keeping at least one VAX permanently, in essence probably H > reflecting why roughly 25 to 33% of the VMS installed base is still on > VAX.  J I'm no expert on licenses but the only ones I've seen that run on both VAXL or Alpha are NAS Licenses (and perhaps volume shadowing). There are probably some others.  J To the best of my knowledge, there is no way to convert a license from VAXJ to Alpha. OpenVMS partners use a tool called PackGen to issue licenses andJ there is sufficient security built into this process to prevent one vendor? (issuer) from generating a license for another vendor (issuer).   0 ### this is a (disabled) VMS license for VAX ###  ' $ type L_VAX_OPENVMS_UNLIMITED_USER.COM   $ lic reg vms-user /issue= dec -   /auth= ***deleted*** -   /product= vms-user -   /producer= dec -   /units= 100 - 
   /avail= A - !   /option= (NO_SHARE,MOD_UNITS) -    /check= ***deleted***   2 ### this is a (disabled) VMS license for Alpha ###  " $ type L_AXP_DS20_OPENVMS_BASE.COM $ lic register OPENVMS-ALPHA -   /issuer= DEC -   /auth= ***deleted*** -   /product= OPENVMS-ALPHA -    /producer= dec -   /units= 25 -   /activty= A -    /option= no_share -    /check= ***deleted***   . Notice the phrase "ALPHA" in the product name.  J When my employer allowed us to move from VAX to Alpha (we had done all ourK initial work on 90-day time-limited licenses acquired from Compaq), we were I required to surrender all of our VAX licences in order to trade-up. IIRC, I Compaq gave us a very attractive trade-in value on the VAX licences so we H could move to Alpha. Because of this, I never thought of this as a money1 grab; just Compaq trying to protect their assets.   D BTW, just to complicate things I'm not sure if the following "volumeH shadowing" licence works on just Alpha or both VAX and Alpha. Notice the' phrase "alpha" in the option parameter.   8 ### this is a (disabled) shadowing license for Alpha ###  , $ type SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]L_AXP_VOLSHAD.COM $ lic reg volshad /issue= dec -    /auth= ***deleted*** -   /producer= dec -   /units= 1100 -
   /avail= h -    /option= (mod_units,alpha) -   /check= ***deleted***   J Unfortunately you've only got two options. Buy hobbyist licenses for both & platforms and/or buy licenses on eBay.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 05:19:50 -0700 * From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> Subject: Re: ES40 NICs) Message-ID: <op.tgoxvczvtte90l@hyrrokkin>   G On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 21:06:58 -0700, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>    wrote:  L > I've got several of them sitting on the shelf.  Didn't want to part with  / > them, but now I'm starting to wonder why not.  >    Don't wonder too long.   --  E Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:02:29 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: ES40 NICs* Message-ID: <451E8705.2080009@comcast.net>   Dave Froble wrote:   > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  >  >> Tom Linden wrote: >>G >>> I need to get a couple of Ethernet contollers.  Anybody have a list  >>> of compatible boards?  >>> 9 >>> Also I can confirm that ATI Radeon 7500 works but not  >>> ATI RAGEXL >>>  >> >> DE500-AA work fine! >  > 0 > I think it's the -BA that works well with VMS. >   G There are several versions of the DE500.  The -AA works well.  I don't  I recall ever having had a -BA.   I believe there's also a -XA version and   that may not work/be supported.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:46:20 -0400  From: Pete <None@nospam..com>  Subject: Re: ES40 NICs8 Message-ID: <q74th2hph41qu0ng45e94jt83macvo5at0@4ax.com>  E http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/products/options.htmlOn Fri, 29 D Sep 2006 10:32:04 -0700, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com> wrote:  D >I need to get a couple of Ethernet contollers.  Anybody have a list >of compatible boards? > 6 >Also I can confirm that ATI Radeon 7500 works but not >ATI RAGEXL ; http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/products/options.html   <  Is a good place to lookup supported options for all alpha's    Pete    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2006 10:07:24 -0700 From: davidc@montagar.com 7 Subject: Re: hobbyist licensing site down / helping out B Message-ID: <1159636044.496651.149040@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>  # Island Computers, D B Turner wrote: L > We hereby offer to Montagar a complete DS10L system with SSH access we can
 > set up here ( > We have a 1.5Mb T1 that should suffice  E I wished I could have gotten that free DS10L, but quote me a price on F one...  I do need to upgrade the hobbyist system to something a little faster (appearently... :-)   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2006 10:12:05 -0700 From: davidc@montagar.com 7 Subject: Re: hobbyist licensing site down / helping out C Message-ID: <1159636325.483937.152110@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    davidc@montagar.com wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: J > > I figured My Cathay was doing some heavy duty compiles and had lowered& > > the priority of the web server :-) > E > Actually it was some page-thrashing - too many Apache subprocesses! # > I'm configuring more page file...   F Turned out there were about 80 PHP processes, most of it looks like itE was spidering the forums.  Tweaked the Apache HTTPD.CONF to not allow  quite so many subprocesses...    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:28:09 -0500 . From: Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom>$ Subject: Re: hsz40 firmware question: Message-ID: <XdudnetjRvROBIPYnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@comcast.com>   Jim Mehlhop wrote:G > We have 4 hsz40's 2 have a recent version of the firmware and 2 have  A > older versions which do not support 18.2 GB disks.  Is there a  D > documented procedure to copy the firmware from the good hsz's and # > migrate it to the older version??  >   G Jim, there's no software or tools on the HSx controller itself to copy  I the PCMCIA card and migrate the firmware around.  Getting cards with the  * firmware already resident is the only way.   bob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 11:56:47 -0400  From: Pete <None@nospam..com> - Subject: Re: Hub vs Switch : SCS, LAT, DECNET 8 Message-ID: <nn4th2p7obarh0rf4ea4mmodq0pe1ffno8@4ax.com>  , On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:45:13 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    >   ?  Sounds like a duplex mis-match causing communication problems.     Pete    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 12:50:14 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)2 Subject: Re: Intel to add new instructions to 8086$ Message-ID: <eflp66$426$1@online.de>  5 In article <451D8555.3D3AE8D9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:     > etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: K > > 8086 is not a 64-bit architecture.  It's not even 32-bit.  It's 16-bit.  > >  8086 isn't made any more.   > / > Alpha wasn't the official name, it was AXP,.    H You said WASn't, i.e. it WAS not, but later it WAS.  Witness DEC's (and E successors') advertising it as such, the word "Alpha" on the housing   etc.   > Yet, it stuck because itJ > was the first word used to denote that architecture. It stuck to a pointF > that DIgital did whatever it took to make it legally possible to useI > "Alpha" as the name. And to this day, we call it Alpha instead of 21x64 	 > or AXP.  > J > X86 is just an abbreviation for the 8086 architecture which included the! > 8086, 80186, 80286 , 80386 etc.   H But one which was a) never used officially and b) is understood by many F to refer to the earlier models.  Neither was ever the case with ALPHA.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:57:34 -0400 3 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> 2 Subject: Re: Intel to add new instructions to 8086: Message-ID: <i7idnWOjjYJ9GIPYnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com>   Dave Froble wrote:   > Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  >  >> etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: >> >>> JF, 5 >>> You've got an Alpha now, you can come up to date. K >>> 8086 is not a 64-bit architecture.  It's not even 32-bit.  It's 16-bit. F >>>  8086 isn't made any more.  There is no current line of servers or1 >>> desktops or laptops that use 8086 processors.  >>>  >>> IT'S IA-32 or IA-32e >>> 	 >>> Steve  >>> 2 >>> JF Mezei used his own notation style to write: >>>  >>: >> You really don't know a hopeless case when you see one! >  > K > It's worse than that.  He's doing it to annoy everyone else.  Now can we   > break out the aluminum bats? >   . Maybe you're too easily annoyed / baited??????   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:32:51 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 2 Subject: Re: Intel to add new instructions to 80869 Message-ID: <tOWdnR6n2cWjNYPYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: >  >> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> >>> etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  >>>  >>>> JF,6 >>>> You've got an Alpha now, you can come up to date.L >>>> 8086 is not a 64-bit architecture.  It's not even 32-bit.  It's 16-bit.G >>>>  8086 isn't made any more.  There is no current line of servers or 2 >>>> desktops or laptops that use 8086 processors. >>>> >>>> IT'S IA-32 or IA-32e  >>>>
 >>>> Steve >>>>3 >>>> JF Mezei used his own notation style to write:  >>>> >>> ; >>> You really don't know a hopeless case when you see one!  >> >>I >> It's worse than that.  He's doing it to annoy everyone else.  Now can  " >> we break out the aluminum bats? >> > 0 > Maybe you're too easily annoyed / baited??????  B Not really.  Some appear to get annoyed.  I just have a 'virtual' * session with the bats, smile, and move on.  H Just for the humor of the situation, I would have sent a chocolate bar, H but when he indicated he wouldn't stay bought, that is annoying, and so B I guess he scored a bit on that issue.  Still smiling though.  :-)   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2006 08:26:03 +01002 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>; Subject: Re: More on the transitions at OpenVMS Engineering ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-fXzm2HwzP59O@dave2_os2.home.ours>   B On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 18:51:29 UTC, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de 1 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:   7 > In article <451C41D9.E3E3D384@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ) > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   >  > > Guy Peleg wrote:D > > > When I joined engineering I had 7 years of experience with VMS > > I > > So, instead of giving you a nintendo, your parents gave you a VMS box  > > when you were 11 ? > > ' > > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  > I > When he was about 5, I set up a VT320 for my son with a captive account G > which went into an menu where he could send me an email or read email G > from me, write a text (both with EDT), check the time of day etc.  He J > was quite keen on it for a while.  (Alas, he has now moved on to 50 CentJ > etc.)  A few months later, when he sat at his mother's PC for the first J > time, his first remark was "but her PC doesn't have a proper keyboard!". >    Dead right !!!!   " Smart child, taking after his Dad.   --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:21:11 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> @ Subject: Re: OpenVMS support contracts for hobbyists: A scenarioJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-1C4898.15211130092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <53Qab57O8bAl@eisner.encompasserve.org>, =  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   K > In article <1159534859.171541.174910@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Ian   > Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes: I > > some way of submitting SPRs via the web site. Last time I submitted a J > > SPR it was a three sheet form you had to type on - I would hope things > > have moved on since then.  > > C >    Yeah, and I don't have any of those three sheet forms anymore.  > @ >    It was almost the only time I would ask a secretary to type >    something for me.  B Cough... At one period SPRs were the only things I _didn't_ ask a B secretary to type for me, due to the errors invariably introduced.  I Extremely professional business letters and memos, complete with correct  H spelling and grammar were one thing, snippets of code or error messages  were something else :-)    --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:41:32 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> @ Subject: Re: OpenVMS support contracts for hobbyists: A scenario9 Message-ID: <NaudnSShuYzbN4PYnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@libcom.com>    Paul Sture wrote: 5 > In article <53Qab57O8bAl@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ? >  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  > L >> In article <1159534859.171541.174910@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Ian   >> Miller" <ijm@uk2.net> writes:I >>> some way of submitting SPRs via the web site. Last time I submitted a J >>> SPR it was a three sheet form you had to type on - I would hope things >>> have moved on since then.  >>> D >>    Yeah, and I don't have any of those three sheet forms anymore. >>A >>    It was almost the only time I would ask a secretary to type  >>    something for me.  > D > Cough... At one period SPRs were the only things I _didn't_ ask a D > secretary to type for me, due to the errors invariably introduced. > K > Extremely professional business letters and memos, complete with correct  J > spelling and grammar were one thing, snippets of code or error messages  > were something else :-)  >   G Didn't you enjoy it when a non-technical person attempted to 'correct'  & your spelling and other mistakes?  :-)   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Sep 2006 08:26:05 +01002 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>H Subject: Re: Options for the future of VMS systems after last order date? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-Kd78ZdGlVLwx@dave2_os2.home.ours>   = On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:46:18 UTC, etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:     > Dear BBC, Why oh why oh why... > B > JF, there are no modern 8086 servers.  Only modern IA32 servers. >  > *bangs head against wall*  >  > JF Mezei wrote: G > > Another option is to get modern 8086 servers and emulate Alpha with  > > Charron Alpha product.     Guys  D            this banging on about JF's use of 8086 instead of x86 or ? Ia32(e) is beginning to become tiresome and a serious waste of  D bandwidth. We _all_ know what he means so can't we just accept that F that is the way he refers to the non-itanium 'industry standard' Intel CPU architecture.   C We all have shortcuts that are not wholly accurate. Some bug other  E people, some bug us. I, for example, have given up trying to stop my  D users calling the Alpha/VMS platform they've been using for over 10 E years as 'the VAX'.  There's only me left using the two VAXen in our   cluster.   No offense intended to anyone.   --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:42:54 +0200 / From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch> H Subject: Re: Options for the future of VMS systems after last order dateJ Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-C86857.15425430092006@mac.sture.homeip.net>  3 In article <9twmd7mCCSMk@eisner.encompasserve.org>, =  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   P > In article <1159532504.826448.25260@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, "tadamsmar"  > <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> writes:  > > J > > How about without a service contract?  I guess service from HP will be# > > available for at least 5 years?  > > I >    HP is not the only source of hardware service for VAX and Alpha.  In 9 >    fact I don't think any of our contracts are with HP.   G And external companies providing hardware service aren't anything new,   by a long chalk.   --  
 Paul Sture   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 15:03:01 GMT + From: "Villy Madsen" <Villy.Madsen@shaw.ca> H Subject: Re: Options for the future of VMS systems after last order date- Message-ID: <FGvTg.70155$5R2.58357@pd7urf3no>    Hear Hear!!!   Villy   > "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> wrote in message 9 news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-Kd78ZdGlVLwx@dave2_os2.home.ours... ? > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:46:18 UTC, etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  > ! >> Dear BBC, Why oh why oh why...  >>C >> JF, there are no modern 8086 servers.  Only modern IA32 servers.  >> >> *bangs head against wall* >> >> JF Mezei wrote:H >> > Another option is to get modern 8086 servers and emulate Alpha with >> > Charron Alpha product.  >  >  > GuysD >           this banging on about JF's use of 8086 instead of x86 or@ > Ia32(e) is beginning to become tiresome and a serious waste ofE > bandwidth. We _all_ know what he means so can't we just accept that H > that is the way he refers to the non-itanium 'industry standard' Intel > CPU architecture.  > D > We all have shortcuts that are not wholly accurate. Some bug otherF > people, some bug us. I, for example, have given up trying to stop myE > users calling the Alpha/VMS platform they've been using for over 10 F > years as 'the VAX'.  There's only me left using the two VAXen in our
 > cluster. >   > No offense intended to anyone. >  > --   > Cheers - Dave W. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:53:04 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> H Subject: Re: Options for the future of VMS systems after last order date9 Message-ID: <J-ydne32q4hnMYPYnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@libcom.com>    Dave Weatherall wrote:? > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:46:18 UTC, etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  > ! >> Dear BBC, Why oh why oh why...  >>C >> JF, there are no modern 8086 servers.  Only modern IA32 servers.  >> >> *bangs head against wall* >> >> JF Mezei wrote:G >>> Another option is to get modern 8086 servers and emulate Alpha with  >>> Charron Alpha product. >  >  > Guys  F >            this banging on about JF's use of 8086 instead of x86 or A > Ia32(e) is beginning to become tiresome and a serious waste of  F > bandwidth. We _all_ know what he means so can't we just accept that H > that is the way he refers to the non-itanium 'industry standard' Intel > CPU architecture.    Do I really have to quit?   E > We all have shortcuts that are not wholly accurate. Some bug other  G > people, some bug us. I, for example, have given up trying to stop my  F > users calling the Alpha/VMS platform they've been using for over 10 G > years as 'the VAX'.  There's only me left using the two VAXen in our  
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